#castlevania nocturne abbot

[a-somewhat-wiser-sicilian]

In defense of Abbot Emmanuel from Castlevania Nocturne

I've seen a lot of people saying that the Abbot sucks, and while they aren't wrong I feel like there might be a misunderstanding when it comes to his character in the arguments they provide.

I think he could've really worked as a very solid character AND villain if they'd just made some things more clear.

1. Above all else, he seems to believe that the church is more or less the source of goodness and light in the world and in humanity. He believes in human goodness but believes that it comes from a connection to the church and God. He clearly cares for the people in his church as well as the people close to him. This is why he's willing to go so far to defend the faith from the revolution. He doesn't ever really say anything about all that "natural order" shit that all the vampires and nobles spout about their place in the world. He also doesn't seem to be doing it to stay in power himself as we never see him really reveling in the benefits of being a wealthy priest.

2. He absolutely hates everything about what he's doing. He hates the vampires, he hates his night creatures, and he hates himself for making them. We also see that he treats the creatures as tools/weapons because he can't allow himself to treat them as anything else. If he starts thinking of them as anything else, he'll start turning further into the darkness that he's already stepping into in an attempt to save what he believes is true and good. Even his method of forging gets across how much he hates it. The other practicing forge masters we've seen use tools (they usually look like dope weapons too but primarily they are tools one would use for crafting). Hammers forge iron, blades cut wood and both are personal tools one would use to make art. However, his tool is a large machine, he barely has a hand in the process at all. He wishes to be as far away from the process as humanly possible. We see in the final episodes that everything he's doing is absolutely killing him. He cares about these people and his family. He recites the story of Isaac and Abraham begging God to let him save his daughter. Because in his mind it is his daughter or the world.

3. He's not stupid for making the night creatures for the vampires. I see this come up a lot and I'm not sure that people get why he's doing it. It's kinda subtextual but not really in that he's doing it because he knows that if he doesn't do it, then they will just find someone else. There aren't many forgemasters around I would assume but I would imagine that the ones that are aren't exactly upstanding citizens and even then I'm sure there are people that the vampires could convince to sell their soul for that power fairly easily. So, he wants to be in control of the vampire's army simply because he doesn't want it to be anyone else. Even if the person they enlist would also betray them its almost impossible that they'd have goals that are as morally "good" as the Abbott's.

Conclusion: I do think he needed to be written better. More time on screen explaining his motivations and aspects of his personality but still, I have a hard time seeing why people say the things he does don't make any sense, because like, they do to HIM and for a character that's what's important.

[creativeusermeme]

i have but one wish for castlevania nocturne s2

edit: WAS NOBODY GONNA FUCKING TELL ME I SPELLED CASTLEVANIA WRONG

[love4krystals]

Castlevania Nocturne pt. 3

[demigoddessqueens]

BRING IT ON S2!! 🌕🌗🌔

[violet-moonstone]

characters who are absolutely depraved are fun, but you know what's more fun? characters who start off having deeply held moral beliefs but who become so obsessed with a goal that they compromise some of the most important parts of their beliefs in order to achieve those goals

and they cant turn back because they've gone so far now - if they admit that the ends didn't justify the means, they will have lost their soul for nothing

[bobokitty]

Love that Kat also did a young Abbot as well~ (one of our lovely artists on Nocturne)

ehehe he can join my drawing of him now

[pansexualnoodle5]

I would just like to say...

I blame him.

I don't blame him for all of it, but I do blame him for most of it.

Because seriously dude, what the fuck were you thinking?

[littlerosette]

writing this for all of the five people who care about this ship

[visualvexation]

[zs-starwars]

omg it's so impulsive of her but maria goes to warn the abbot because she is a revolutionary and a fighter but she's also just 16 and she just wants her dad that she's never known and for her mom to not be sad and ahhh

[weirdlotiel]

Another… two things about the new Castlevania series.

One i like second… not so much.

I’m going to begin with the second one.

Am I the only one who’s constantly irritated by Maria? It may be partly because I’m Christian and it kida pains me when I hear people talking bad about the church. And I’m aware it’s not without its faults and that the girl was right this time… but that’s not what actually irritates me. What is annoying here, is the fact she doesn’t even try to stop and think otherwise… she’s just stuck with that one thought that nobles and abbot etc are evil and that’s all. She believes only in revolution and doesn’t see it also hurts innocents. It’s… sad.

The first thing, which I said I like, is the concept of Sekhmet. I remember researching both Vampires and gods of ancient Egypt some time ago for a fanfic and to help a friend with their book. And how Sekhmet, goddess of war, was in some way the first vampire. It’s nice to see that somewhere else than wikipedia or wherever I read about it (I don’t remember it was long time ago). Although it would be nice if it wasn’t Batory again… this one is actually clishe.

Oh, and I do like seeing grandfather-grandson relationship. I don’t see much of them in tv series or films, at least not good relationships. Or maybe I just don’t know where to look. 😂

[pinkmirth]

i don’t care how evil this man becomes, or how badly he corrupts the church— that voice of his is just so perfect

[love4krystals]

Happy Halloween. 🎃👻🧡🖤🤍

Castlevania Nocturne pt. 4

[demigoddessqueens]

Just spitballin here about themes…

Thinking of Dracula being alone all that time and then he met Lisa, who encouraged him to travel and see the best of people, the same Dracula who tore down the Church for her, and Alucard being a manifestation of the love they had for each other

Meanwhile, Tera lost all who she knew and probably saw the lowest of low for humanity, met Emmanuel who was part of the Church who believed his own hypocrisy, and kept his love for Tera and Maria secret

[autumnmobile12]

Forge Masters: Okay, what now?

The basic principle is that they are magic users who can call up a soul from Hell and plant it into a body to create a night creature. That's fact; multiple characters confirm this.

Isaac calls it an education, so that implies it's a learned skill and not an ability one is born with. The shopkeeper in Tunis, however, calls it a curse, which could potentially be interpreted as an innate ability? A combination of the two? Innate ability one has to learn how to use? In Hector's brief flashback, his father(?) says they only use alchemy for money, power, and security. Does this make forge mastery an offshoot of alchemy or is this a separate thing Hector picked up in addition to his family's practices?

...

Another quick thing I want to address is I found it a little odd that Richter and company didn't recognize the night creatures for what they were and it fell to Annette and Edouard to explain them. All right, so night creatures are extinct in Nocturne because there were no forge masters to create them. "Nobody has made a night creature for centuries." This explanation works fine except for the fact that Hector does say back in Season 2 that night creatures were a 'species in hiding' and breed naturally or they were 'created by acts of wild magic.' So a forge master is common but not required. (This might be a tiny plot hole since the writers seem to have forgotten about this line. Season 2, Episode 3.)

Still, even if Trevor, Sypha and their immediate descendants with the help of Alucard did succeed in completely eradicating night creatures from the world, it's a little difficult to imagine the Belmont line and the Speakers just forgot about them. This also applies to Richter's belief that Alucard was just a myth, so this may indicate that somewhere in the three hundred years between him and Trevor, something big happened to cause a major loss in the knowledge that was handed down through the generations.

A repeat of the original series' message of how the vampires remember but the humans forget.

...

But the main thing I really want to talk about is that I love the concept of the night creatures rebelling against their master in their own revolution since there's a contradiction here that I find interesting:

The Styria sisters say in Season 3 the night creatures are bound to obey only their creator. The Abbot too holds this belief and is genuinely confused when Edouard rebelled against his orders. At first, this inherent obedience seemed to be another concrete rule I originally interpreted as pretty much a 'mystical mind control' thing (kinda like how in the manga D. Gray Man, the Noah Clan has absolute control of the akuma demons,) but now I don't think that's the case.

The shorter and less intriguing explanation for this is the Abbot uses a machine, is not a true forge master, and so his grip on his creations is not the same.

Or (and I think this explanation is the most likely) the Styria sisters and the Abbot were both wrong/misinformed/or misunderstood the concept. Isaac and Hector do not mistreat their night creatures. Hector cares for his pets and he comforts the demons we see him raise in Seasons 2 and 4. He's even quietly disgusted when Godbrand refers to the night creatures as dead or mindless. While we don't see Isaac extend the same kind of tenderness quite as often as Hector, he does still treat them with respect, and we do see him low-key grieving for and praising the loyalty of dead night creature who escaped the main trio's attack back in Season 2.

There's a reverence and kindness here as opposed to how the Abbot regards his night creatures. We even see it echoed in Maria's treatment of her magical creatures.

Furthermore, there's another way in which Hector and Isaac's practices differentiate compared to the Abbot. Fly Eyes has the soul of an ancient Athenian philosopher. Unlike Jacques and Edouard, he wasn't recently murdered. He's not scared or confused. He's grateful to Isaac for raising him from Hell, where he had been for centuries, and it's implied that all the night creatures of the original series are grateful, and in that gratitude, they are more than willing to serve not their 'masters' but their saviors.

Meanwhile, the only night creature of the original series implied to have his original soul is the Bishop that Hector brought back for Carmilla's plan. If this is true, then Isaac and Hector do have some control over who they can pull out of Hell. Except Hector didn't create a new body for the Bishop. He left him as a decaying corpse and he disposed of him in the blessed river as soon as his purpose was complete. Since neither he nor Isaac repeat this action, this could indicate they don't view this as ethical or because there is the danger of betrayal.

So why is the Abbot different? I think two reasons:

The underlying entitlement and decadence that spawned the French revolution. He heard that night creatures are slaves and weapons, so he treats them accordingly.

It may also be because of the machine he uses. Compared to the more involved process of Isaac and Hector's magic, the machine seemed so automatic. So instead of choosing a soul that died a long time ago as a thinking, feeling person would, the machine simply snatches the one that's most convenient: the original soul that paired with the original body.

Of course, this is all speculation and it doesn't quite account for why more of the Abbot's night creatures didn't turn traitor outside of the small group that rebelled, but I like the idea of it so far. It aligns greatly with Isaac's message of how they all can be more than what they were intended to be and are not bound by their chains or their so-called inherent natures.

Hector and Isaac's wisdom is shining through in Nocturne.