#celia x sam

[autismprotocol]

TMAG Theory Board Update (EP 11-12)

Hi guys sorry about the late posting I've just started a new quarter of college and its been pretty hectic. also got into my school design BFA program so pretty stoked about that! Anyways lets get into the Episode Breakdowns because even though not a lot of lore related things happened I still have a lot to talk about

For the breakdown I'll separate each by episode in sequential order

What Happened in Episode 11: Marked

Celias Rude Awakening- we jump right into the weirdness straight away with Celia waking up on the side of the interstate. she indicates that this is not a weird occurrence and ends the scene by telling someone named Jack that she's "on her way." If you remember episode 8 after Celia and Sam talk to Gerry and Gertrude, she mentions stuff about wanting help with her own mystery. When Sam asks about it she says she's looking into Time travel, other dimentions and teleportation. Many people have theorized that maybe Celia is just a super heavy sleepwalker, but I think the she teleports random places out of nowhere. This could be a side effect of her reality hopping if this Celia is originally from The archives universe.

As for the identity of Jack I'm not quite sure about that yet. I cross referenced the name Jack with past episodes of TMA. The only thing that came up was Jack Barnabas from the statement about dating Agnes Montague (aka an avatar of the desolation and Jesus-like figure for the cult of the lightless flame) So Unless Celia is secretly Agnes of Agnes reincarnated , I can't find any way to link Barnabas to Celia. (if anyone has a theory feel free to send it my way.)

Sam Lore- this one is pretty minor story-wise but I thought it was interesting. Before the statement for the episode is presented we get some classic Sam and Alice Banter ™ most of it is pretty lighthearted but I noticed Sam mention something that could indicate he might be an amputee.

These could not mean anything and I find it weird that it hasn't been mentioned until now but thought it was kind of cool and I will probably be drawing sam with a prothetic leg in the future cause I really like this head-canon. It also begs to question if he is missing a leg. it might have anything to do with his past as a Magnus institute test subject but then again could just be a fun character detail added by Jonny and/or Alex .

The Statement- Getting into the statement we get another Ink5oul appearance. Also possible Ink5oul identifying as she/they. (and lets be honest being a fear avatar is pretty non binary core). I found this Episode gave me a feeling of a hybrid between the Vast, Buried and the Flesh some people are theorizing that is might be a new entity called the Deep but I think that the fear of the ocean could easily apply to the vast or buried. Not much to say about this story though pretty standard Magnus horror that also gave us a hint to what Ink5oul's goal could be/which entity they serve.

Post Bonzo- Gwen has a debrief with Lena after her first Externals Liason assignment and her meeting with Mr. Bonzo. Undoubtedly Gwen is still pretty shaken from her encounter, even arriving late to work due to sleeplessness. Gwen is able to ask Lena a few questions mainly she wanted to know who's name was written on the letter given to Bonzo

Lena is largely unhelpful but tells Gwen she should have worked it out by now and if not to pay close attention to the case load for the next couple of days. before the latest episode my guess was Klaus because that is the only person mentioned so far that the OIAR intends to kill. but more on that later

Marked- Now were getting to my favorite thing about this episode. This episode title can have two meanings. The first is the more literal interpretation. Tattoos are marking of the body and the case this episode was all about tattoos so easily a good name would be marked. But I believe this is a red herring meant to misguide listeners who have not consumed all 200 episodes of TMA because if you know the world of Magnus Archives the term Marked takes on a entirely different meaning.

In TMA the term marked is used to indicate that somebody has been influenced by one or more or the fears and are one their way to becoming an Avatar. I think this could be a coded way to tell the audience someone in the OIAR has been marked. I have two potential candidates

Alice Dyer- Alice has been having dreams about the Institute after her and Sam's adventure into the ruins. also she mentions feeling like someone's watching her (common to people influenced or fed upon by the Ceaseless Watcher/The Eye) My guess if she is marked it would be by the Eye.

Gwendolyn Bouchard: Probably the most likely culprit. The main way an entitly tends to mark people is through encounters with other avatars. Gwen has just had an encounter with Mr Bonzo last episode who I strongly believe must be an avatar of some sort.

What Happened in Episode 12: Getting Off

Aww Sam!!- Sam asked Celia out and it was adorably awkward. not much to say I just loved this interaction and I'm longing for a new Magnus brand office romance hopefully is wont be an agonizing slowburn that ends tragically like a certain pair of morons from Archives (I love you Jon and Martin but Jesus christ)

It's Bonzo time bitches!!- Probably one of the most gruesome Magnus statement I've ever listened to (good work Alex) Mr Bonzo completely annihilated some poor dude at his bachelor party. Based on the date of the Incident the I can confidently say that whoever Baz (the groom) was he was our mystery person the OIAR sent Mr Bonzo to get rid of. Along with some of the bloodiest imagery we learned a few things about Bonzo. The most interesting detail is that Bonzo has to be summoned by playing his theme song I think the CD of his theme song acts somewhat like the tapes did in TMA by materialising out of nowhere. Also fun fact you know that torn seam that is right down Bonzo's middle? that is actually is his mouth lined with rows sharp teeth so I guess I know that now (so fun) Moral of the story dont f*ck with Mr. Bonzo

Alice knows something: Theres been this recurring audio glitch throughout TMAGP thatnks to a few extremly observent fans we have started to relize that these glitches are not at all random and are actually letting the audience know when a character is lying (i actually reposted somones deepdive into all the istances of this glitch so far if you guys are intrested in knowing more) why i bring this up now is becuase since we know when any charater is lying we also know when they are being truthful if there is no glitch when they say somthing and at the end of this episode this interaction occurs

Alice goes ahead and makes a joke about this to annoy Gwen but the fact theres no audio glitch when she says "I know" means she does actually know who is behind the OIAR and is activly refusing to share it with Gwen or the others. What do you know Alice!?

and that's about it im already loving these next batch of episodes and am so excited to learn more (ERROR has to show up somtime )

thanks to everyone who resonded the poll on the last update I will continue to include drawings into the breakdown even if it takes me a little bit of time to post. anyways I wrote this all in one sitting and I'm about ready to pass out so thanks again and the ask box and comments are always open for discussion and theory crafting.

-Echo

[sols-dreigroschen-blog]

i want to know what's going on between Sam and Celia in the film!! are they having an affair???

i wasn't able to find any material of the actors or other people involved in the film talking about it, but there's a piece of music on the soundtrack titled Celia und Sam (it plays in the background of their scene in the kennel i think?)

the scene in the kennel... she rests her head on his shoulder after his monologue about wanting to feel needed... the way she touches his face and looks at him when she shows him the dogs... there's a very brief scene (i think before the whores arrive to collect their bounty) where she steps from the kennels and adjusts her skirt and rubs her butt while walking a little awkwardly...

[they-call-me-haiku]

a little too fast huh alice.. you can't hide your feelings with sarcasm and jokes forever

[seal-jelly]

SOMEONE fell asleep at work (if something happens to them im gonna throw up)

[ink-5oul]

Magnus podcast fans will say they have an idea and then tell you about a ship that logistically makes less than zero sense (it's me, I'm the magnus podcast fans)

[starsoftheeye]

Heres how samalicelia can still win guys

after sam and alices conversation alice decides that because it will both fuck with sam and be extremely funny, shes gonna start flirting with both sam and celia at the same time

both of them know shes joking, sams a little annoyed by it but he "really doesn't care what she does", celias just along for the ride and thinks alice is just Like That cause of how she speaks to basically everyone at the OIAR

one by one, the three of them all realise that it might not be a joke anymore

alices flirting starts to sound more genuine, making more specific comments to the both of them, sam starts rolling his eyes less and less over it and, to his horror, starts getting flustered, celia starts playing into the jokes more and more

eventually, sam and celia have a conversation that basically goes like "i can't stop myself from getting affected by it and i know shes messing with me and that makes it worse somehow" "why dont we mess with her back then"

so sam and celia both start flirting back, to alices surprise/horror/delight/confusion

this goes on for a while, to the point where literally everyone else at the OIAR can see the obvious and the three of them can't

this then gets to the point where one day gwen has enough and goes "oh my god why don't you join their relationship at this point please just stop flirting at work" (jealous much?)

that kind of stops it for a while, none of them at all willing to address the implications of alice joining the relationship, until sam and celia have a conversation where they realise neither of them would mind having alice in their relationship

so they talk to alice about it

at first she takes the piss out of it, thinking theyre just taking the joke really far, until she realises theyre being serious

she doesnt know what to make of it at first, and theres still the doubt in her mind that theyre just making fun of her, but she knows she wants it and she bites the bullet and says yes

then they experience the horrors together as the right of passage for all podcast relationships <3

[unfortunatelyevent]

at first meeting celia I thought "ohh I think Alice and celia will fuck" and THEN after the ending I'm like "Alice and celia are DEF gonna fuck and this will be so messy"

[memberoftheredstringbrigade]

Ep 14 pet project thoughts:

Alice really isn't over Sam. Hopefully Gwen can help her with that

Statement seems like it would defiantly be corruption if smirkes 14 still work

Snake shop guy really reminds me of Jane prentiss

I wonder what he was applying for at the magnus institute that he got rejected for. Archivist position?

Wow Chester really has a lot of horrific transformation statements. Huh?

I reckon Gwen has just done something to delay lenas plans or its time for her to meet another external

Sam sounded really bitter at the end of that. Poor him.

I really want Sam to be an eye avatar but by choice and then alice would have to confront him.

WHERE IS COLIN???

Still hate celia

[redstringredeye]

NOOOOOOO fuck not the love triangle, this can only lead to unresolved tension and heartbreak when Jonny and Alex inevitably start killing off the vertices :(

[felinecryptid]

i love celia and sam interactions

but i love celia and samxcolin more

so celia is now my wife and i ship samlin

its taking all my energy to not write a fic right now

waiting for some more lore that can be put in a fic, its so difficult to not write them immediately

[witchinatree]

i think celia and sam would be an adorable friends-lovers-friends storyline. they have so much potential but i think celia and gwen have even more

give grumpy woman a sunshine girlfriend please.. for me... 🥺

[they-call-me-haiku]

plot twist: alice is jealous of celia and sam's relationship because she's in love with celia

[randompajamaalt]

okay so you know how jon x tim x martin x sasha is called polychives? for poly archives?

hear me out. polycol. poly protocol. alice x sam x gwen x celia. correct me if i am wrong about this

[seal-jelly]

more of these guys bc i love them so much

[somuchbetterthanthat]

Tentatively trying my hand? at? Magnus Protocol characters? :o. Gwen/Alice but with very strong hints of Alice/Sam.

It irks Alice that she's almost relieved to see that, despite her brand new shiny promotion, Gwen is still at her desk past her work time, same familiar little frown between her brows, mouth curled into a pout that really shouldn't be that cute. Alice's been trying very hard to keep things light and carefree when it comes to Gwendolyn Bouchard, because she, contrary to some people she knows, has, you know, a bottomless reserve of self-preservation in her. She doesn't want to care about Gwen, because if she starts to, she's only going to get more problems and headaches and not that much more sex out of it. It's just not a good deal.

So she doesn't care. Except with Sam off with Celia in the early hours of the morning again, and Colin's out, and no news of Luke, well the sight of good old boring, stand-offish, annoying Gwen is just -

"Hey, Gwen," she calls out. Then, when Gwen predictably doesn't raise her head: "Gween; Miss Gwendolyn Bouchard, ma'am -"

"Well, I don't hate that," Gwen cuts her off, pensive, which makes Alice snorts. 'Course she doesn't. "What do you want?"

"Wanna fuck real quick?" she asks.

"No," Gwen replies then goes back to her computer and Alice's teeth ache. God she dislikes her; maybe she dislikes herself a little bit too, for asking, knowing what Gwen was going to say - whenever this happens, it happens on Gwen's terms, 'cause Gwen's got some pent-up energy she wants to get rid of, or because Gwen's got pissed off by Lena again and wants to take it out on someone. And it's fine, Alice can deal with that, they are good at meaningless, quick, angry sex, but for once, just for once, today, she wishes Gwen would learn a little thing that's call reciprocating -

Alice doesn't realize she hasn't moved 'til Gwen looks back up again, eyes narrowed. "Is this about Celia and Sam?" she asks.

"What about the little lovebirds?" Alice retorts back, all too aware of the hint of bitterness stuck at the edge of her throat.

Gwen nods like she hears it too. "If you're not over him, you should work to get him back," she tells Alice, like she knows a single thing about Alice and Sam, about what they lived through, about who they once were to each other, about -- anything at all. God, screw her, screw her -- "Fucking me is not going to accomplish much." Then, her frown deepens. "Unless you want he--"

"God, shut up, you self-righteous asshole," Alice spits then swallows back her anger as fast she can. It's fine, it's fine, it's all good, it's all chill. She's fine. She's good. "I'm just horny and bored. That's literally it."

"...Right," says Gwen, after a beat. She leans her head on the side, lips pursed, looking like Alice is the ban of her existence, and then goes, abrupt as ever: "I'll take a break in ten. Be there or not. I'm not letting you call me another name, I do have some pride."

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sam/celia is heavily implied BUT WE STILL DOMT HAVE A TAG FOR THE SHIP YET????? tmagp fandom cmon im starved and i need to find a way to find my content