#clone discourse

[supertaliart]

It’s loving mom!Shaak-ti hours.

[the-bulletproof-heart]

I'm Jedi Critical until the day I die, but the one thing I can fully agree with the Jedi defenders on is that Mace Windu really got screwed over by both the movies and the fandom. He wasn't even that mean to Anakin compared to someone like Yoda, who was a lot harsher to Anakin imo. All of Windu's concerns about Anakin are justified. He's skeptical about Anakin being the Chosen One because there is absolutely no evidence for that other than Anakin being more powerful than the average Jedi. I honestly think Windu was looking out for Anakin in his own way. He's basically saying it's not smart to put all the Jedi's eggs in one "chosen one" basket, which is true. If more people had treated Anakin like a normal Jedi the way Mace does, he wouldn't have been under so much pressure. And I don't think it's "mean" at all to say that a 23 year old is not emotionally mature enough to be a master. It's kind of true, especially based on Anakin's actions.

Like, I think the Jedi screwed Anakin over in a number of ways, but I don't get why the fandom targets Mace specifically? I honestly think he was trying to do the best thing for Anakin. And I like to think that they were genuinely friendly with each other. They almost died together in CW. That's gotta be a pretty big bonding experience.

[phoenixyfriend]

Don't drink the propaganda juice, learn the actual makeup of Mandalore (hint, all characters of color either died 3-4000 years prior to canon, were introduced after people got mad about TCW's Mandalore being white, or are Fett clones).

Anyway, you can't arbitrarily apply the diversity beam to Jaster's Good Ol' Boys White Man Club and not Satine's We Have Three Character Models On A Shoestring Budget City.

[catie-does-things]

I feel like "I don't like sand" has become such a meme that people forget its original context, not just in terms of what it actually says about Anakin as a character, but also in that I see people talking about it like Anakin just brings it up out of nowhere, when in fact the previous line in the scene is Padmé talking about lying on the sand at the beach.

[clonehighdoublehelix]

[tommykinard6]

Thinking lately about shipping and fandoms and all that depressing jazz.

And here’s the thing: have we forgotten that shippers regularly take the L? I don’t even know where this belief that we’re being catered to comes from; we regularly and historically wear clown noses.

When did we stop shipping for the sake of shipping and start needing to be correct? Be superior, be the main character?

I feel it’s always been like that a little, but I’ve personally NEVER seen it this bad.

And the sheer entitlement, man.

Listen, I’m not going to disturb my man JRR Tolkien to resurrect him only for the sake of putting Maeglin and Glorfindel together and have him incorporate my headcanons because Maeglin was the king of being misunderstood and really just needs to get dicked down and lovingly held after by Glorfindel, ok??

Cause that’s my headcanon and ship and I have fanfiction for it. Also Tolkien has been dead for 51 slutty slutty years, but that’s beside the point.

I’m not boycotting CoD or throwing a temper tantrum over the fact that Ghost and Soap aren’t having filthy nasty sex and heartbreaking conversations.

I’m not attacking Ewan McGregor and Temuera Morrison for not canonically getting Codywan.

And even in the height of my Buddie days, I never attacked the actors or show runners or female actresses. I’ve certainly had non-gracious thoughts, but I’ve kept it off of social media.

Please hear me out; this is not me saying I’m better than anyone. I’m not. I’m sooooo not. But I’m hoping that others might remember what shipping is about.

[peregrine-ing]

People are always up in a fuss about the Jedi's strict rules, as if they weren't and order of essentially monks? Their rules aren't even that difficult to follow, even the attachment rule boils down to "remember your vows to the overall good of the galaxy. Duty comes first. Don't be a possessive jerk to people". to me this is just having a healthy relationship.

I've also heard alot of people saying that the jedi want you to bottle up your emotions. No? have a healthy emotional control and response. Don't let them control your actions. Understand your emotions, examine them and where they come from and let them go. All pretty standard mediation stuff tbh

[adolescentsalvation]

who are all these crazy and obsessive paul girls on tumblr and is any of them interested in fucking while both of us pretend to be paul mccartney

[astheforcewillsit]

i do think many of the people who have literally critiques against the Jedi Order are typically drowned out by tumblr just being a very "pro-Jedi" site in general, and misconstruing their arguments to make them look dumb.

But for in-depth, neutral conversations about the Jedi, i've found YouTube, twitter, and Redditt are really good. And shockingly have a larger reach than tumblr.

But i'd also really encourage Jedi Critical folks to put on an event or something to share their thoughts and ideas, because the analysis given are really good, but not often shared because of how bias this website is.

like "jedi critical week" where you all share really interesting analysis of the Jedi Order. It could be a really good academic space.

let me know if anyone bites at this idea, i'd love to see where it goes or help out.

[triple-a-artist]

Okay lemme clarify some things on my thoughts on the Jedi Order bc I’ve been seeing a lot of discussion on my dash!

1. I criticize the jedi order for the way they fell victim to no longer serving as peacekeepers. Some of the ways their teachings can be manipulated to justify harmful things that helped lead Anakin to his fall and ultimately helped cause the downfall of the Jedi.

This doesn’t mean I think the Jedi are evil or the order was wrong. In fact quite the opposite. Just that there’s reasons to criticize some of the shortcomings of the order.

2. I understand that the textbook concept of a “grey Jedi” doesn’t exist. Since george lucas has stated that you will always fall victim to selfishness and evil. When I use and Used the term “grey Jedi” I use it in the sense of someone who follows the will of the force outside of a set practice or teaching. AKA Ahsoka, Ezra, Qui-Gon arguably. NOT someone who uses both the dark and light side.

3. I can recognize Anakin both was already leaning towards the dark and ALSO was failed by the council and people in his life who didn’t take some of his concerning behavior seriously. There’s room I feel to recognize both!

Those are my personal opinions and thoughts on the jedi! In case anyone was wondering :D

TLDR: Jedi arnt bad but there’s some criticism to be had, When I say Grey Jedi I don’t mean it in the way most people do, Anakin is more complex than a simple reason to why he fell.

[ohomich]

cw: character death

autopsy of the subject № ◼️◼️

cause of death: acute organ failure after usage of true hypnosis microphone

[velvet4510]

The Star Wars prequels are full of not-so-good dialogue but there’s something about “You are in my very soul, tormenting me” that just hits so hard because it fits so many classic ships so well. (to be specific, it’s such a Cherik-coded and Drarry-coded line tbh.)

[marveltaughtmetoread]

I've spoken about it before but I'm gonna speak about it again, the Jedi being taken as babies and being raised inside the Jedi temple with little connection to the outside world (as in having a relationship with non-Jedi folk) where the only way to leave is to cast aside the Jedi is wild

The only real world comparison you can make is monks, because holy temple full of people specifically dedicated to that religion, trying to live separately from the outside world, but

Monks aren't chosen because of their abilities, they choose to pursue a life of priesthood because of their faith

And sure, the monasteries and convents were a dumping ground for noble family's (extra) children, meaning the child had somewhat of a mixed consent to the process but in this day and age they are just a place where you pursue your faith

But even then the recruitment process was flipped, monks weren't actively recruited by the temple, it was still a life you had to seek out or your parents had to push onto you, it wasn't something you were forced to join from infancy

The places that don't let you choose to leave that give you no other option, that you can be born into and not escape from, without losing everything you have ever known, are what we call cults

[luidilovins]

I was just informed that the word "womborn" is actually problematic in the clone community as it has recently been used more heavily in certain Neosphere neurowave spaces. Aparently, it's a huge bioprimary dogwhistle used to argue that the only legally recognized humans are those who come from wombs. Actual members of the clone community prefer the term "viviparous" when it comes to non-clone individuals. What clones refer to themselves as is identity based on a person to person basis, and it's not my place to decide how they define their creation experience even if they all came from the same 6 global factories. I'm sorry for my mistake and I will do better as an ally in the future so please forgive my ignorance because I'm growing.

Also if there's any bioprime scum clowning on this post I will be blocking on sight. I'm not playing around.

[mearchy]

I actually think I put my finger on the thing that most bothers me about the perpetual pro vs anti Jedi discourse, which is that everybody argues for their interpretation of the Jedi as though the Jedi were a monolith. As though there were not 10,000+ of them spread across multiple temples, from many different homeworlds, with unique paths and individual connections to the Force. It doesn’t seem right to me to assert absolutes about what the Jedi code Actually Meant and whether it was too dogmatic or applied correctly by the Order or whatever when I think we can see in canon that you would get different answers about its meaning and application from the Jedi themselves, even the ones that inhabited and learned in the same temple. I feel like that’s the point of a lot of what we get shown in the prequels and TCW.

[the-far-bright-center]

Hating on TCW because of certain OOC Anidala scenes? Yes, exactly 💯💯💯💯 👍👍

Hating on TCW because Anakin is 'too suave'? Eh, while I can see where people are coming from, Anakin's characterisation isn't limited to AotC, and his 'suave' qualities are already extant in the original Prequels-era material, such as in TPM's Litle Ani and in descriptions of Anakin in RotS novelization (for more on this, see here and here).

Hating on TCW because of a misperception that the existence of Ahsoka is detrimental to Padme's character? WHAAAAAT. NO, STOP, what even are you doing???? ⛔️⛔️⛔️⛔️✋✋✋✋ ⁉️❗️‼️Anakin and Padme love Ahsoka, she's the only child they got to raise together!