#concussion protocol

[didalexiabreakupwitholgaisback]

Does Liga f have concussion protocols in game? I thought if there is any head contact they are supposed to do check/come off until they are cleared.

of course, there are medical protocols to follow at a league and regional level. la liga and the players' association (AFE) made a huge campaign a few years ago to talk about it.

but you need the ref to stop play and the medical staff to actually address it.

just this weekend there was a dangerous incident at the real betis v. granada match and one of the players posted about it on social media. yes, liga f can launch a campaign to respect the refs, but how about the refs respect the norms and safety of the players 😤

yes, the level of reffing across the board is so bad. it's one thing to have missed calls but when ref actions affect the health and safety of the players, that's completely unacceptable. 🙃

[battleangel]

I cant watch these guys develop CTE anymore…

[the-football-chick]

Trigger warning: possible intense head injury

Neuroscientist Chris Nowinski said he wants the NFL to investigate the apparent head injury suffered by Bills QB Josh Allen during Sunday’s loss to the Texans. Bills HC Sean McDermott told reporters on Monday that Allen “was cleared and he went back in the game” after being examined by medical staff for concussion and chest and ankle injuries.

[alianoralacanta]

I want to believe this. I really do.

Williams' statement is standard boilerplate for this situation, entirely compatible with Williams having mentioned the concussion. Perhaps I no longer like the ambiguity constructed by what is not being said, in the context of other developments in F1.

However… nothing in the link says a concussion or any other form of head injury was mentioned or tested for. MotoGP has started reaping the consequences of obscuring a drop in testing quantity and quality in concussions, and I don't want F1 to follow suit, because having a good solid testing protocol sometimes isn't the complete solution one would hope it to be.

I'm going to take the opportunity to talk about F1's concussion protocol. This is because it is the first sport to have a concussion protocol at all, and as such it has some differences in how it operates compared to other sports' protocols.

F1 Concussion Protocol (historically)

Sid Watkins devised F1's first concussion protocol in 1998, with help from Gary Hartstein (his deputy) and Indycar doctors Steve Olvey and Terry Trammell. This used a combination of three tools: 1) Baseline testing. At the start of the season, Sid Watkins got every driver to complete a series of tests. Jacques Villenueve, anticipating a problem that rugby has notably had in subsequent years, suggested he could deliberately underperform at baseline to maximise his chances of returning to play in the event of a crash. Gary told him that if he caught anyone underperforming, he'd ban them from competing for a month because he would assume they already had a concussion. In the end, the competitive nature of drivers meant that they performed their best - drivers wanted to be able to tell others in their gossiping sessions that they'd beaten (or held their own) against each other.

2) Computerised assessment of responses. Using a computer program, Sid and Gary were able to consistently check drivers at the medical centre after large accidents. Eventually, the threshold was set at 15 G because in F1, accidents below this rarely result in anything worse than minor soreness and bruising. The computer remembered previous responses and used them to help make an objective diagnosis. For many years, ImPACT was used, though I do not know whether this or a different program is now used. Originally, this took 20 minutes to run, including some gaps in between tests (while the computer worked out the results) that made space for tool #3:

3) Asking questions. There's a certain subjective evaluation to assessing a concussion, although there are systems that allow a lot of them to be identified objectively. Concussion often affects how someone arrives at an answer, which in 1998 wasn't something a computer could assess very well. However, if a driver said something completely out-of-character or was obviously a guess at the correct answer instead of simply recalling it from memory, a human doctor can make the correct diagnosis that way. The F1 protocol, unlike many other sports, specifically allowed return to competition at the same event if it was possible to medically demonstrate that recovery was likely to have occurred. However, it had and as far as I know still has a high threshold for that permission.

Possible Issues With the Procedure

The protocol is not foolproof, and it does rely on drivers making sure they self-monitor for aggravation of symptoms when next in the car. Nobody has yet devised a concussion protocol that 100% reliably assesses someone for driving at over 100 mph while they are sitting in a medical centre, nor is this likely to occur.

It also depends on the FIA being given accurate information. This doesn't always happen. Max Verstappen and Red Bull hid the fact that Max had a concussion during parts of the second half of 2021 successfully, until after the FIA could penalise either for doing so. Earlier than that, in Sochi 2016, Carlos Sainz somehow managed to get through one of these evaluations without mentioning to the medical team he had concussion (and without anyone on his team doing so either). Hopefully this makes my lingering concern about this matter make more sense. (As well as why I think the FIA did the best they could with the Colapinto situation, regardless of what information it did or did not have).

i dont want to defend williams but like some of you need to start fact checking. franco was medically cleared to race. williams didn't make him race while medically unfit. chill out

[radioactive-yuri]

personally i think it'd be an excellent gag if lena's "advice" to gwen just kept getting worse and worse. "lena i can't sleep, everytime i close my eyes i see mr. bonzo" "have you tried banging your head against a wall so hard you pass out" "...please tell me you haven't actually done that"

[czarinakanaeva]

Please tell me this isn't true because WHAT THE FUCK

[technicallywrite]

Aaah this is so adorable! Seeing scenes brought to life like this is such a beautiful gift 💝

More art inspired by @technicallywrite although she had Kate and Os in Pyjamas

[pokecheck77]

Wake up babe new Kotchetkov Poke Check just dropped

[caracarahoney]

That Scene In OP:

Nero: I don’t understand- what madness inspired you to do this? Money? Power? Revenge?!

Cypher, high on at least two painkillers and severely concussed: I miss my wife :(

[knitpurlgoal]

Guys (gender neutral) I think Utah may be my Enemies

[hardtchill]

“Just from Tobin” ?? What was that card for? Why did she write just from Tobin? 😭 she is a so weird I love her

Lmao, it was some kind of RE thing i think

i can just imagine them sitting at a table signing these things and Chris going "Tobin, you can't just sign your name!" and Tobin going, "fiiiiiiinnee" and that's what she ended up with 😂

[alchemistc]

i wanna start out by saying ive been patiently waiting for a hockey AU on the bucktommy fandom and your Goon fic is everything i have ever wanted, im honestly obsessed with your characterization of tommy

i have never been that big on rpf in the hockey fandom, but i always love reading people write crosby in their hockey aus, also love how you include Hockey Lore TM in the story

so, i wanted your take on the insane 'tradition' (not really tradition, more of a common occurrence) of players playing through injuries specially in the playoffs (I remember that in the 2016 or 2017 cup run, there was more players currently injured on the penguins than not, pretty sure Letang or Daley had like, broken fingers for most of the last round) and how many times Buck had to run away from Hen so he could play, because if anyone is more likely to play through injuries, i'd say is Evan "i-had-another-surgery-instead-of-waiting-for-my-leg-crush-injury-to-heal-naturally" Buckley, or Evan "I-sued-my-job-because-they-wouldnt-let-me-do-said-job-after-said-leg-crush-injury-and-vomitting-blood" Buckley

Thank you thank you! Goon has been so much fun to craft, and I'm loving seeing the hockey fans and the 'what's a chiclet' 9-1-1 fans alike enjoy it!

Personally? I hate it. I think the whole idea of it is fucking insane and detrimental to not only their physical health but their mental health as well. (From the Avs fan perspective, regardless of what we actually know about the Nichushkin situation, the man broke his foot and played through it, likely got addicted to a painkiller in the recovery process, missed a playoff series because of [redacted], had a career fucking year and then sent himself to the Players Assistance Program, came back, had MORE career highlights, and then...failed a drug test in the run up to the playoffs and got himself suspended.

(Another reason players just play through injury and mental health crisis is the Players Assistance Program, which IS ANOTHER MAJOR FAILING OF HOCKEY CULTURE IN GENERAL)

Hell, Landy played through a not-healed-injury after he took Cale's skate to his knee and now he's had two surgeries and may never make another appearance in a game because of it.

(I can't think of the player at the moment, but I remember a cup run where a player was playing with fractured ribs and it was later revealed that if he'd taken a puck or a nasty hit or gone into the boards wrong there was a chance he'd have had a vital organ punctured and likely wouldn't have known the extent of the damage until he'd collapsed from internal bleeding. It didn't happen, but WHAT THE FUCK)

And fans have a tendency to glorify them as gods for 'fighting through the pain' in their quest for the Cup.

As far as Goon goes:

They're all gonna be playing through injury. SInce this is from Tommy's perspective, he's coming at it from two angles - he's the guy who's played through injury his whole career just to keep a spot in the lineup, he's toughed it out and dealt with the numbing agents and the wraps and the twinge that doesn't go away for weeks at a time (and the aforementioned pain killers that eventually prompted him to go to fucking therapy in the first place). He is also the guy who has spent four years unpacking why exactly he did that - how much of it is the culture, how much of it is his own shit and his dad telling him to rub some dirt in it and stop being a pussy, how much of it has just been to prove himself capable of being one of the guys in the room.

There's also Hen, who pushes harder than the other trainers, and calls out the bullshit when she sees it, so yeah, this team probably has a slightly better track record of keeping the guy out with upper body injury out of the lineup for longer than any other team would, but - Buck's not the only one who's learned how to lie about exactly how much pain he's in and how well his recovery is going. He'll strain shit and refuse to admit it, he'll push through on a 'minor' injury unless he thinks playing on it would threaten his career. (He absolutely has NO real concept of how bad an injury actually is, tbh, because like everyone else he's been lying about it for so long he doesn't have an accurate pain scale.)

The tldr of this is that I don't condone it, but the reality is it's so ingrained in kids coming up that it's a reality of the culture and I'm not necessarily gonna shy away from that. It's not a huge focus of the story, but there will be hints here and there.

[infinityinakiss]

i hate injuries i hate injuries i hate people falling and not getting up immediately i fucking hate injuries

[korshrimpski]

2020-21-22 alex turcotte was insane thinking back

you get a shoulder injury at world juniors delaying your start to join the ontario reign. You finally join the reign but only play 32 games out of 44 because you got a minor injury sidelining you. And for the start of the 2021-22 season you get acute appendicitis and miss some of the kings training camp. And in that 2021-22 season you only play 27 out of 68 games because you got a concussion that took you out for two months, and the symptoms where so bad you eventually just gave up on training at one point and you were overthinking all the time wondering what this could mean for you. But you over come that first concussion you are playing well, your team makes the playoffs, you have finally found your rhythm. But there’s a catch. In the first period of the first playoff game against the colorado eagles, you get illegally hit in the head and get a concussion. (your second head related injury in 3 months). And the cherry on top of it all is in the summer you don’t get to relax because the concussion symptoms are haunting you so most of the time you had to limit your training and limit the time you spend with friends and family. And while all that was happening your friends are tearing it up in the nhl and you are so happy for them but you’re finding it difficult not to compare yourself to them. And even though your friends are supporting you, they don’t understand what you are going through so you start talking to Bowen Byram because he is the only one that will truly understand you. And after that spotty season and that shitty summer you are looking to turn a corner for the start of the 2022 season, but you’re not fit enough to join the rookie faceoff. And finally after all that you are cleared to play with reign, 10 games into the 2022-23 season.

[significant-narratives]

sorry i’m still in disbelief over the whitecloud hit on kniesy because even if you want to argue the hit was clean — how the fuck were the leafs the ones who ended up on a penalty kill 😭

[lindholmline]

ANYWAYS i’m about to get my period and im under immense amounts of stress and im still getting migraines everyday so i apologize for dropping in and being les mis!!! xoxo