#congrats on the classpect

[crosspect-101]

Quad Prince of Doom, Knight of Space, Seer of Time and Mage of Void? That's our groups classpects lol :-)

Funny enough, these classes average out to Mage. You've got a pretty active session there, buddy!

Doom + Space + Time + Void is a new one, but they synergize pretty well. All but Space have to do with destruction; all but Doom have to do with absence. What do we call a Space which, over Time, was Doomed to be lost, forgotten, destroyed, a Void where there once was something?

A ruin. But that's too many syllables; we could call it Raze (as in, "raze it to the ground"), but I feel like I should save that for something with Rage in it. How about Shell (as in, "a shell of it's former self")?

The Mage of Shell understands that all must eventually come to an end. Eventually, even the greatest of creations will be destroyed, the mightiest kings forgotten to time. The Mage of Shell sees that famous pedestal:

"My name is Ozymandias, King of Kings: Look on my works, ye Mighty, and despair!"

and sees that nothing beside remains.

The Mage knows that their own session is doomed, and understands who will destroy it and how. They can foretell the circumstances that will lead to it's downfall, and perhaps even manipulate it. Maybe by controlling the Scratch, they can allow a new, better session to rise from the ashes. Maybe they can even protect themselves in a "shell" of their own creation, so as to live to see the new session; but I don't foresee this one going very well at all.

-Mod Psycho

[burningthemidnightcityoil]

The biggest thing I find disappointing about any of the "official" sequels to Homestuck, is that... They don't really expand on Homestuck.

They simply add problems, that weren't needed, and are churning out solutions, that didn't matter--because the problems in the first place weren't needed.

My idea of a Homestuck sequel would be to have the world-build, because now we have that idea of the "world" and how it "works", but start from scratch (haha).

Make new characters in classes and aspects we haven't seen yet, or didn't see enough of (Mages and Thieves and Sylphs, oh my, Dooms and Rages and Blood, oh my!). Make new characters that have new remixes of classes and aspects we already know of.

Make new inner memes and repetitions, Homestuck is nothing if not repetitious. Have some actual fun with your sequel. I can't imagine the current stuff being Fun, not with what's its building from.

Say something new in the story, or say something old in a different way. HS is all about ridiculous bullshit all the time anyway, just as much so as its about serious shit all the time always.

Personally, I'd rather not go through SBURB again, I'd want to see how HS works without SBURB being the main focus--or maybe have a SBURB that is completely off its knocker and is impossible to play, as its background.

( Earth C is a perfect place for that )

There are, of course, several things that can be expanded and thoroughly explored that HS leaves open.

Throughout your life, you are going to have more than one class or aspect. I know huh? Its a thing we've seen out of the Adults that pop up in HS--they always have at least one more class and aspect, and are capable of performing those classes and aspects successfully. And this even falls in line with typical character dynamics on writing and comprehension. A 3D character changes depending on what situation they're in and who they're with. And with such, we can assume that HS is about your Core unchangable Classpect--Who are you that is you?-- But now, let's have another!

All your Lives are Connected Yeah yeah sounds like Utilma-Self horseshit. But there is clearly a thing to explore here; you are connected to yourself, throughout time and space. So even if one of yourself dies, it'll still live on as long as you exist.

The Afterlife Okay, we've seen hints, maybe, but now I kinda want to know how this works without Dream Bubbles. Dream Bubbles are a SBURB thing, and even then, its only sessions that touch on the Troll Session (Like the human one), who get access. And even then... its only for Players. Everything else is a recorded memory.

What's a universe like when it has its Gods? Its clear that when SBURB makes a universe, its generally intended that its players become its gods of that universe. So... what happens when that does actually happen, and not some tomfuckery coming along.

And of course, this is just the HOmestuck World-Build stuff.

You can tell so many different stories from this, from any variety, from silly to serious (And in HS's case--both). Hell, take someone off the street, throw them randomly at this, see how they react, that sort of deal.

And it can be done, without slogging HS's characters through the murk.

If the intention of the current "sequels" were to make things tired, dragged out, and not even fun anymore... Yeah congrats. The story worked as intended. So much so that I'm not even going to keep up with it.

That's how tired its made me.

ADDENDUM:

A lot of people, found comfort, relation, and personal importance, in HS's characters.

And what was done to several character, was a horrible, disgusting, and terrible thing to do, to characters that people found comfortable, relatable and personally important.

And How it was handled afterwards, whether it was staged or not, was A Shit Way to Handle It.

Occurring at a time and place in history where you Should Not Have Fucked That Up.

Because of this, I am not going to accept the "Sequels". I'm not going to accept any justification for the "Sequels".

As far as I'm concerned, Homestuck ended with Homestuck, a silly ridiculous serious webcomic that lasted a very long time and long after the time period it was in (To a point where nobody remembers what early '10s / late 00's internet was like), no publication attached.

[jollysunflora]

In addition to an "obligatory" request to classpect the new OW hero Venture I've got some classpecting-related stuff to talk about myself. Although I'm 99% sure I've figured out I'm a Prince Of Rage I feel like there's a lot more to my lesson than just the control issues/serenity prayer stuff we've talked about before. Additional things I need to work on include fear of failure, being too concerned with others' opinions and chronic indecision.

Well obviously I'll classpect Venture. Also congrats on figuring out your main classpect! it's also one of my alternates, aka how I relate to the Rage aspect. As for your lesson...hmm. Hmmmmm. I'm looking at my lesson posts and the stuff you mention can fall into several of them. The thing is I tend to figure out lessons from little things about that individual. Even in my dreams I had to ask what lessons some of my family members need, but once I was told I was all "that makes so much sense for them in hindsight".

[eridan-amporaa]

Oh also idk if this goes on this blog or the SM one but-

Spooky Month Classpects

Roy strikes me as a Rage player and Ross is a Rogue

(augh it's been so long since I've read the comic, I've forgotten most of my Classpect knowledge-)

SO GUESS WHOS BEEN THINKIN ABOUT THIS FOR SEVERAL MONTHS-

OK SO.

im just gonna name all the characters imma classpect: skid, pump, hatzgang, susie, streber, kevin, ethan, radford. I'm disregarding gender-locked classes, idgaf about the gender locks. if a fem locked class fits a dude, congrats, hes gettin it anyway. feel free to add in ur own 2 cents or other charas im v curious!!

puttin this under the cut cuz its gonna be LONG.

SKID - ironically, im havin a really hard time with him. aspect wise, i could see him being hope or doom, seeing as he so often seems to bring bad news but is so painfully optimistic. but he could just as easily be light, with the focus on his weirdly fantastic luck. if i had to guess, id put him down as an Heir of Light - insanely lucky, decent fighter, and not really concsiously manipulating his aspect so much as just kinda rolling with it.

PUMP - easy. Seer of Void. fits with all his voidy theming and ties to Eyes. hes seeing all the secrets, finding out all the shit hes not supposed to know. sounds abt right.

ROY - definitely a rage player. As for class, i can see him going a couple different ways (knight, heir, thief) but im gonna go with Thief of Rage for him. harnessing the power of the anger of those around him to fuel his own power and anger? sounds abt right!

ROSS - ur right abt his class, rogue fits him well. as for aspect, id have to go with mind, seeing as hes prolly the smartest/most skeptical of the gang. so that would make him a Rogue of Mind.

ROBERT - aspect could be heart or hope, but hope fits him better so lets go with that. class wise i could see him easily being a sylph or witch, but imma give him Witch of Hope here. still able to spread his aspect, but also being able to manipulate it in a more direct way than a sylph.

SUSIE - ok so right off the bat heart player. it just fits ok I dont make the rules. as for class... I feel like she'd end up more active here, and she has a thing abt protecting herself which I'm p sure extends to skid n pump, maybe the hatzgang too if she got close to em. so I'd put her as a Knight of Heart.

KEVIN - ok kevin is. hm. I feel like he could be a couple different aspects - doom, for the same reasons as skid, or maybe life? idk he just seems like a life player to me I'm goin with that. as for class... ehhhh? idk, hes kinda hard to class. honestly if anything I think page would fit him best with the whole "find urself n ur aspect" thing so let's just go with Page of Life.

STREBER - streber comes off as a space player to me. idk why he just does. maybe it's the vamp thing? actually all the space players have some sort of transformation thing maybe hed become an actual vamp... hm... well anyway I'm classpecting him as a Mage of Space. idk it just fits

ETHAN - ethan would make a good doom player I think, again just kinda fits. imma go with Maid of Doom, he would use his knowledge of doom n gloom stuff to help tidy up loose ends and keep things stable.

RADFORD - time player. he seems like hed be able to MAYBE handle timeline bullshit, but more relevant to his class is that he might feel like hes always running low on time. Prince of Time. being forced to destroy remnants of other timelines and trying so hard not to destroy the canon one. ough I could give him SO much angst.

[yandere-monoma]

ok i need u to know how deeply and immediately im obsessed with killswitch. i literally just read the first two chapters of kym and i know i have more to go but i NEED to tell you that i love swap aus so much and the fact that youve clearly thought so much abt the nature/nurture aspect of all the kids is SO FUCKING GOOD bc i think abt how theyd change and stay the same in swaps all the time. also "telekineticTactoe" is the most perfect jade lalonde chumhandle ever and im OBSESSED with it. sorry to yell in your inbox but ive been feeling a homestuck backslide for weeks and i think its fully happened now. ive been Got. rose strider you poor poor girl you monster you beautiful bitch. (ALSO: IS ROSE A PRINCE/BARD OF LIGHT bc ro-stri being a prince of light would be just the most crushing thing. my other guess is knight of light bc LORD KNOWS shes got facades up, but prince. . .)

AAAAAAAAAAAA THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOUUUUU!!!! pls never be sorry for inbox yelling is2g when i come home and see messages in my inbox i immediately scream and leap into the air and fly into the sun with happiness i am so so happy thank YOU!!!!!!!

I FEEL YOU THOUGH swap aus are just so addicting i don't think they'll ever let me go now that i've given into their power... it's such a fun way to produce a character study. i love psychology so much it feels like such a treat to get to play with it in this way @_@ and THANK YOU i've never been prouder of a chumhandle i've made than that one hsjkdfgs

ALSO!!!

🚨🚨🚨 DING DING DING 🚨🚨🚨

she is ABSOLUTELY a prince of light YEP!!!!!! congrats on fuckin NAILING it i am soaring over the MOON rn. ironically i'm about to post another kym commentary where i explain the decision between her being a prince vs being a knight so if that's a thing you're interested, stay tuned!!! but yeah :') her classpect kills me she did not stand a CHANCE we love a girl that is doomed in every possible way 💛

[rogueofrageedits]

Hi I hope it’s not too much trouble but can u make a version of the limeblood Nep you edited for me dressed in Muse of Breath godtier clothing? If not that’s totally ok I just really adore ur edits and I just figured out my classpect shhdissbsj

[ID: a sprite edit of the limeblood Nepeta from the post linked below, wearing a Muse of Breath god tier. End ID]

no problem!! congrats on the classpect :] (original sprite here)

[hypnosiacon-archived]

Oooooo y feel like Bard of heart really fits ryu! :0!! So uh, congrats! :D this is ryur classpect god tier! :3

Now... >:) time to draw >:D

@gender-mailman (now y want to explain more about how thigs work in the sburb game >:Dc)

Oh holy fuck the colors are my favorite

[gendertrickster]

congrats on the classpect, now get ready to make a fankid /j

i'd make a trollsona first... my first and last name are already six letters each by coincidence alone

[groadr]

Probably gonna repost it another time, colored and all. I need new arts for my blog. But anyway, that’s me, kinda, I can’t draw myself at all. And yes my strife specibus is a freaking guitar hero controller because you can bet that can hurt someone real bad and look hella cool at the same time, so why not? And I refuse to use pants, even if they are god tier pajamas.

[callmearcturus]

hello i'd like to ask about mind!! if you dont... mind :)

ayo

I've been thinking about Mind all day and it's def hard because we only get one major Mind player in the story. Luckily, it's a Seer, so she never shuts up about it.

Mind I think could be coupled with Time. Time is very much about consequences, about dealing with the fallout of an action. I think Mind is that action, the impetus, the first domino to fall, the action that causes the consequence. Its the opposite of Inevitability, it's living in the exact moment your feet are planted in and seeing the totality of potential around you.

A Mind player is hard to rattle. They are locked into the reality of Now. They are aware of the other aspects, but also they know in their hearts that really? None of them fucking matter. Who the fuck cares about Time and Space and Light and shit. All of its fake. And when nothing around you matters, all that matters is what you do.

Mind players are the person on the stage who knows they are on stage, and know that for the story to continue, it's up to them to say "yes, and" and continue it. But when they don't want to? The story stops. And that's powerful. That's in the palm of their hand.

Someone asked earlier "what the classpect for ppl who hate classpects" and I jokingly said Rage but honestly, it's Mind. If you read all these vibe checks and think "All of this is stupid, I don't think any of this means anything," then you're a Mind player, the purest skeptic. Congrats.

[crosspect-101]

What about a Maid of Truth, Prince of Hope, and Muse of Space?

(Truth = Mind + Light)

Mind + Light + Hope + Space is a new one, but let's see here; Mind is the aspect of thought and reason; Light is the aspect of knowledge and fortune; Hope is the aspect of conviction and the divine; Space is the aspect of creation and the physical.

We combine these aspects by combining knowledge, thought, conviction, and creation; in other words, inspiration. My first thought was to call this aspect Idea, but come on; there's no argument that that would only be one syllable. So instead, how about Rouse?

The Buff of Rouse enhances others by inspiring them. They provide aid and assistance to their companions by stirring them to action with new ideas and creative, out-of-the-box thinking. They grant conviction and enlightenment to their friends, and enable them to forge their destinies with new tools. They're a fantastic support player!

-Mod Psycho

[burningthemidnightcityoil]

UNDERSTANDING THE FULL SCOPE OF HOMESTUCK CHARACTER CREATION

Okay, let’s break it down! WOOOO--

You got 12 Aspects. Each aspect can have one class.

So that’s 12 Possible Classes for each Aspect. We are ignoring Lord and Muse for this essay, as I am under the strict belief that Lord and Muse are only achieved in very restricted circumstances.

So you have 12 possible Classes for one Aspect. Call it a “Court”.

IGNORE THE INVERSION THEORY.

Each of these Possible players, either through ancestry or guardianship, can have an overlay Class and / or Aspect. As in, a Class and or Aspect they’ll attempt to emulate, and or, are influenced by.

That’s 121 or Half combinations.

But wait! There’s more.

Each known Species follows the basics of an Aspect, and each Job follows the basics of a Class.

For example, Humans falls under Breath while Trolls fall under Blood; Robots fall under Void, Carapacians Space, and Leprechauns Time. This means that the Species of your Character can have an aspect influence. That’s another possible 12 thrown in.

ADDITIONALLY; - Trolls will always share their aspect with their ancestor; and both Ancestor and Direct Descendant will end up meshing classes (See Mindfang being a Sylph but acting like a Thief; The Condesce being a Thief but acting a Witch;) - Humans rarely share anything, even with their Parent. - Robots will always have an underlying Void, as no matter what Classpect they are Possessed by or Programed With, can be easily overrided with another. (This extends to Cyborgs too, where the Void Overlay is placed on them instead be constantly present; see Cyborg Vriska’s diminished Light Powers and Spade Slicks’ sudden lack of Relevance). - Carapacians are entire Spacebound. Most are there merely to populate and take up space, and it takes something to kick them into growing into a Classpect. While some are already designed uniquely enough that they don’t require a kicking (Dersite Agents), the rest do (See the Beta Exile’s Journeys). Its very rare that you can’t get along with a Carapacian, most of em are chill as fuck (Save a few exceptions; Jack probably doesn’t know the meaning of Chill). - Leprechauns are Timebound, meaning that each one is Personalized from the get go, but are far fewer in number for it. This also means its insanely difficult to get along with em (Time is a very Personal, but also very Tedious Aspect to deal with, ask literally ANYONE in Homestuck, even other Time Players).

Jobs can also influence how one plays their Classpect in specific scenarios. A Job isn’t so much an Overlay, as something a Character does that requires certain actions and a certain outcome for a desired income.

This means that a character having a job can see how that Character will play their Classpect in this restricted instance. Take THIEF OF RAGE Jack Noir, playing the Royal / Bardic based Buercrate, and see what he does when under this restriction

(He blows his gasket more often, he hates his boss, but god damn if he can’t cut paperwork in half cos he’s a helluva hard worker and good a complicated bullshit)

Character creation has never been more unreasonably complicated. Congrats, welcome to Homestuck.

[jinruihokankeikaku]

Archetypal Classpects for Each Sign

Aries: Prince of Time (obvious reasons)

Taurus: Page of Breath (congrats, Tavros)

Gemini: Mage of Doom (congrats, Sollux)

Cancer: Bard of Blood (Chaotic. Emo. Caring but unstable.)

Leo: Thief of Heart (Charismatic. Filled with hubris. Primadonna (gender neutral))

Virgo: Seer of Space (Meditative. Artistic. Prone to both distraction and hyperfocus.)

Libra: Maid of Mind (Can and will pass judgement. Brilliant but sometimes unfeeling. Independent thinker.)

Scorpio: Rogue of Light (Slow burn. Knows things, somehow. Needs to learn to share their enlightenment.)

Sagittarius: Witch of Void (Philosophical to a fault. International Gender-Neutral Individual of Mystery. Radical acceptance advocate.)

Capricorn: Sylph of Rage (High standards for themselves and others. The Advice Friend (tm). Complex relationship with deconstructionism.

Aquarius: Knight of Hope (Saviour complex. Wants to change the world, doesnt want to change as a person. Notoriously eccentric.)

Pisces: Heir of Life (A bit of a hippie. Wanders but isn't lost. Above-average "Openness to experience.)

[kazieka]

hi, I'm Russia Facts Anon, and i just wanted to say basically a long time ago i had No clue about homestuck and the only things i knew about were "trolls?" and "Vriska Serket" because of sending you russia facts + your blog name, and literally this march, march 2021, i read like all of homestuck (not the epilogues or ^2 though, yet, still thinking about whether or not to) (also is there an established fandom shorthand about how to say this?) and like, when reading the troll arc i was like (1/2)

(2/2) "okay so when do i get to meet this Vriska person then" and then i was very excited when i finally got to her and really excited to actually read about classpects and basically yeah. i am now obsessed with homestuck, (not really Vriska in particular tho :P) and trying to figure out whether or not to read the rest, given that i LOVE original Dirk. just not sure if it will ruin Dirk for me or whether it will feel like clearly enough a Different Version to be fun if i happen to like him

sdjfhSDFJHGD im sorry i didn’t get notified of these earlier but!!!! russiafactsanon my beloved!!!!! u are valid to not like the spider wife. she is awful and i have bad taste. apologies that you got to the fandom when it is now a smoldering wreck.

as for the epilogues, apparently my bad taste is once again the doom of me, bc i really liked the epilogues!! they contain a grittiness that feels refreshing rather than like, Edgy Teen? the narrative turns into an actual, yknow, narration that homestuck couldn’t really indulge in with its original medium, and it was really fun to see the medium twisted again in such a Final way i guess? the epilogues do get graphic so please mind the content warnings if you want to check them out.

also re:my bad taste. i love dirk “machiavellian mother hen” strider with all my heart. he’s a close second to the Spiderwife but i love characters with moral nuance so shrugs ! homestuck^2 has been doing him dirty, but the epilogues i think handled dirk and his “downfall” pretty well and i think it’s removed enough from homestuck OriginalFlavor that you’ll be able to go “ah, this is not my wonderful neurotic boy. this is what pumpkin stretching the narrative for a new antagonist” and be able to go on enjoying it, but that was just my experience so your mileage may vary <3 congrats on the fandom, sorry about the state of it

[classpectingshitposts]

That anon who got assigned heart by multiple people indirectly helped me figure out my classpect, so thanks dude :0c - page of heart

well look at that. we are actually helpful after all. congrats my dude

-mod lee

[doomedheartgodtiers]

Hello! I have never made a fan-session before, so, I was wondering... How would a session with a Seer of Doom, Prince of Life, Heir of Time and Knight of Space generally go? o:

Hey, lucky you! This is our first ask! :D

I have to say, you got a nice little group here. First off, you have a time and space player, making this a viable session without any outside interference, so congrats on that! The duality of the Life and Doom player is also an interesting inclusion and could definitely add to the mythos this fansession could spawn.

An Heir starts off with a lot of their aspect, so it'll give your players much needed Time even at the very beginning of the game. I'd imagine they'd have a lot of stamina as a player, which would be rather useful. If this player were to go dark side, I'd imagine their uncanny endurance would give the other players a serious challenge.

The Knight weaponizes and shields their aspect, so your Space exploits are likely in good hands! They'd likely work well on their own, but it couldn't hurt to give them support where possible. I'd say this player would be well-rounded when it comes to stats, and someone who works well independently like that would be tough to fight against if they were to turn against the team.

The Seer gains great knowledge of their aspect over the course of the game. I believe the Seer of Doom would be an expert strategist to have on the team. They'd be able to see the rules your team should avoid breaking to be able to win, and would likely make a great pair with the Heir of Time. While I don't think that this classpect on it's own is well suited for direct combat, I certainly wouldn't want to get on their bad side! If they switched sides, they'd be able to come up with some pretty nasty ways to sabotage their game.

The Prince is a very destructive class. They'd make an excellent fighter! As a Prince of Life destroys literal life and opportunity, I think that they'd be amazing at thwarting waves of enemies either through brute force or through what I'd like to call "Life-y hijinks". (Life quest involving destroying the upper ranks of the enemies, anyone?) If they were to turn on their team, it could spell disaster! Their brute force can be easily wielded straight-forwardly to destroy what the others are working for. Still, I'd have to say that with the Seer still working for the others, the session would still have a chance of working if this ever happened.

Overall, I'd say you have some potentially powerful players! I think the session has a good chance of success, as long as the players have a good sense of teamwork (especially the Seer!)

doomy-stuff

I'd like to add that in canon, only Knights have been shown to help Space players breed the new universe frog, and do so instinctually. A Knight of Space would traditionally not need another character to help them breed the new universe frog, so unless the player asks for help, they'll find the task to be more of a challenge.

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