#everything else is just proshipping and genuinely problematic things

[mafuyumagnet]

hello everyone. i hate this fandom every artist with a style or concepts i like are proshippers

[onlyplatonicirl]

ANYWAYS ENOUGH SHITTY DISCOURSE!!!!!!

I'm going to lay out my rules and EVERYTHING YOU CAN EXPECT FROM THIS BLOG. IT WILL BE WORDY BECAUSE I WANT TO BE AS CLEAR AS POSSIBLE AND LEAVE NO ROOM FOR MISINTERPRETATION

I do NOT create content that is NSFW, Problematic, or that has "Extreme" dark themes. You will never see content depicting inc*st/n0n-c*n or even vanilla NSFW or anything like that like that from me, I am not comfortable with it! I would also ask that no body discuss/bring up anything in regards to it either! i.e., please don't bring up dreamm/re, or any other severe darkships. I do not have a "dark/nsfw alt" either on any other website, I am just uncomfortable across the board. Please respect that.

I will NOT reblog problematic content. You just straight up will never see me discuss it anywhere (unless im telling people to stop talking about it LMAO)

I will reblog artwork from other artists!! I do not police or do a deep dive of a person's blog before I reblog their artwork if I enjoy it. It is up to you as a internet user to curate and navigate your experience once you leave my blog. Someone else's blog has nothing to do with me, nor does it mean i am "promoting them" ???? Unless someone is a GENUINE homo/transphobe, racist, groomer, genuine piece of shit with proof, I will block them and delete the reblog. But I will not engage with proship/antiship discourse as it has gone way too far way too quickly.

If I interact with and am friendly with other blogs who create "problematic" (mostly just dreamm/re, because of this fandom that's kinda the biggest problem here lmao) content, then that's all I'm being - friendly. I know this is crazy, but im not "supporting" people. People are not political campaigns. Being friends with people and being friendly with them does not mean I agree with and support every decision they have ever made in their life. I am being kind to them as another human being on this planet. If you don't like them that's fine, but I find it really shitty when people try to get mad at me for things that the guy standing next to me did. Again, once you leave my blog and go to another person's blog, you are on a whole ass other person's blog.

I will not engage in label discourse, I will not engage in toxicity of any kind, and I will not engage in ANY sort of drama. Keep all that shit out of here. My blog is just for me to have fun and be silly on, do not bring weird shit here. Be NORMAL!!!!!!! WHADDA HELL!!!! ITS NOT HARD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

anyways the yapfest is over. Be normal and kind. or else a shadow creature will literally eat your toenails off your toes and you will wake up and they will be FLESH STUMPS.

[thesherrinfordfacility]

not sure what to think about your response to the “proshipping is bad” ask. if you think saying it’s bad is unhinged, do you… think proshipping isn’t bad?

hi anon! i mean, think what you like, but my response of "does this count as an unhinged ask" came because the ask itself (from my perspective) was entirely random. it landed in my inbox without any prior discussion, and completely apropos of nothing.

as for my stance on the discourse itself, im neutral. some ships are not for me, and to me will be immediately problematic by nature of their dynamic or origin. it is entirely my opinion (ie the onus of having it is not on anyone else), as is my decision of whether or not to engage in something that personally repulses me.

i am a human being - i am not immune to making a private judgement of what people ship, if i consider it personally to be problematic by my own moral standards. i think anyone has to be aware that their opinion on any topic is subject to criticism and judgement (something that i have run afoul before, and learnt the hard way!), and has to accept that. but that doesn't mean that everything has to be criticised or judged in the first place.

ultimately, my stance is that it is not my place to police what other people do, think, and engage in. in fact, i think these topics need to exist, in order for people to form their own understanding and subsequent critical thinking about what does and doesn't constitute being problematic. essentially, i think it's extraordinarily difficult to even form the opinion that something is problematic, if (for all intents and purposes) it doesn't exist. bottom line is that it is arguably safer for these problematic topics to be explored in fiction than in real life. to that end, im entirely against censorship.

that is not to say that either side is without their inherent issues. i would love to wholeheartedly believe that all pro-shippers are aware of the problematic elements of their ships, and do not let it affect their reality. i would also like to think that all anti-shippers do not make snap judgements about said pro-shippers, and realise that there is a degree of separation between reality and fiction.

however, truthfully this is sometimes not the case. fiction does bleed into reality for some; people will take shipping too far, and begin to fail to see where some dynamics are morally reprehensible, and have no place in reality. on the other side, being against these dynamics can sometimes evolve into promoting a harmful kind of purity culture and opens up to worldly naivety and exploitation, which imo equally has no place in the real world. no one side is right or has an automatic moral high ground in principle, hence my general neutrality on the subject.

to my mind, i only have three jobs.

- 1) that i ensure that the content or works that i see are what i am okay with seeing. that i only interact with works that i want to interact with. ie. it's a cliché phrase, but i aim to cultivate my experience.

- 2) that if i disagree or actively dislike what someone else likes or engages with, i do not immediately turn that into a judgement of them personally. just because someone interacts with a dynamic in fiction, doesn't automatically mean they condone, support, or encourage it in real life. goes without saying, in my book, that no anti-shipper or pro-shipper's opinion justifies receiving abuse or threats.

- 3, and the most crucial) if i genuinely believe, regardless of the two above things, that there is a real person in danger or at risk, in whatever circumstance, i explore any feasible options i have to ensure their wellbeing.

my two main takeaways - brass tacks time - are this, tbh. first; i appreciate that the discourse comes from a place of concern from both sides, but there is a great deal of it that, imo, suffers from the 'terminally online' phenomenon. second; there is a whole lot of nuance to the discussion, and what is and isn't deemed generally as problematic. of course, im happy to discuss it further (politely and courteously), but i hope this goes some way to answering your question.

[krisiverse]

Hey same anon here. So... no offence but do you think people who ship something slightly controversial are going to just not interact with the rest of the fandom at all? I'm sure you're set in believing it's a bad ship but I really don't think everyone who ships it is a Bad Person on principle. Like them putting shipping in a separate blog with a similar url to their main is probably not them being secretive to get around dni's. Because this just in, anyone can get around dni's by ignoring them...

Shippers of controversial ships keep things separate from their main account usually to avoid subjecting people who don't want to see something to that thing, and to avoid getting hate/being called out, which is what you're doing....

Also, I don't think everyone who ships one lesbian cousin inc*st ship is inherently a proshipper... Most fans of the ship are just regular splatoon fans who contribute a lot to the fandom. I would know, a lot of people in the notes on your post have supported posts from an explicitly aohota blog

Also respectfully, I guess you want to warn people of someone shipping it but I think people can make that judgement call on their own... Filling the tag which is already separate from the main fandom tags with hate and putting individuals on blast seems more harmful than shipping fictional characters imo

hi im going to address these points one by one and out of order, im tired today

actually, you make a good point with it being put in the ship tags, i'll fix that. regardless of everything else i know how much it sucks to go into a tag for something you like and be met with hate for it

second um... incest shippers ARE proship by definition, because it means pro- ships that involve incest or pedophilia or both. there are probably other things that fall under that definition but those are the two big ones, so im sorry to say that is literally what it means

the point of a dni is that you enforce it by blocking people. there's actually been a history of people making blogs like that for the purpose of evading blocks- the main example i can think of is terfs making innocent-seeming main blogs with the express purpose of infiltrating trans-positive communities who would otherwise block them on sight. the fact that people in the notes have interacted with callie/marie shippers is exactly what i was trying to alleviate with that post, because the tags are obscure enough that a lot of people may not know what it means & interact unknowingly.

do i think everyone who ships problematic content is a "bad person"...? no, not really. they're often perfectly nice and kind and all that. but do i think they should keep to themselves and stay out of the larger splatoon community, besides others who are pro- or neutral to these kinds of ships? well... that WOULD be pretty unreasonable to ask, wouldn't it? but the thing is... someone being proship puts all those interactions into a different light. i shouldn't have to worry, if i make a post about callie and marie, that someone is going to interpret it sexually. i shouldn't have to worry if i make a post about one of them individually that someone is going to take it and apply it to their romantic/sexual dynamic of the two. it's something that makes me extremely uncomfortable, and it's a boundary i can only enforce by blocking (since as you said people can simply ignore dnis.)

which brings me to my last point... y'all have your space, which I unthinkingly put hate in and for that i'm genuinely sorry, but we have our own boundaries which we can ONLY enforce via dnis and/or blocking. the only thing we can really do to keep our space our own is to block, both the tags and the people that post in them, and that's all i told people to do; obviously i can't actively force anyone to block people, that's just my suggestion to keep them from unknowingly interacting bc other posts from people will show up even if they have the tag filtered.

i called out that particular person in the tags because they stood out to me, with the experience i'd had with the two blogs; also because i couldn't really name other active members of the community, seeing as i have nearly everyone there blocked already. my intention is to spread awareness, not to incite harassment, and if they're getting harassed (or if you'd like to avoid that possibility) i can delete those tags, likely instead putting them as part of a larger blocklist rather than focusing on one person. but again, that one person stood out to me and i wanted to prevent others from having the same experience.

i think that's all for rn, thank you for the ask and your understanding. feel free to send more asks, or if the person in question would like to talk to me directly, i would be willing to unblock them to have a discussion if they so choose

[felix-lupin]

I've noticed a lot of antis will say that the reason they hate pro-shippers is because they "want to protect children". However, this desire seems to completely vanish when the child is a proshipper themself.

I understand that some of them genuinely think they're doing good, don't get me wrong. But.

When I was ten or eleven I started being proship. That was the first time I was on the internet in any way, as I had spent the majority of my childhood being sheltered and isolated. I hadn't met anyone else proship, I didn't even know the word for it. I just was.

In my journey to figure out how everything worked, I ended up shipping something "problematic." I couldn't understand that it was seen as problematic or why anyone would think it was bad, because I was f*cking 11.

Even though I was 11 (and it always stated it in my bios, because I was a dumb kid), whenever I would express that I enjoyed that ship, I would be sent hate my way. I was told multiple times to kill myself, to hurt myself, and that "this is why your parents never loved you" (I had posted in the past about having issues in my family life and believing that my parent had abandoned me).

So most antis claim they only want to help children, yet so many of them will go out and tell literal 9-13 year olds to kill themselves the second they mention being. I was already dealing with extreme depression, and it made it so much worse I was told the world would be better off without me, that everybody would hate me if they found out. By strangers, who knew nothing about me. I remember crying so many times, thinking that I was a burden on society. That my family, my friends, my joyfriend would hate me.

I remember being scared to tell my therapist, because the people I interacted with on the internet convinced me everyone would hate me. I remember that was one of the first times I hurt myself. I remember feeling so alone, hating myself so much. Every waking moment I just thought about how much everyone would 𝘩𝘢𝘵𝘦 𝘮𝘦. I remember feeling so ashamed, keeping it bottled up and not wanting anyone to know why I was hurting so much, trying to hide how much I was hurting because it was "stupid of me" to hurt so much over that.

I remember trying to stop shipping that content, but it was like a weird involuntary thing. I didn't consume or create content of it for a while, but then I felt worse when I didn't, though. I later learned that I had been involuntarily hyperfixating on that ship and the media surrounding it.

I remember constantly reminding myself it was bad, so if I liked it 𝘐 was bad. That if I liked it I was a horrible person. It didn't stop. I hated myself so fucking much. I remember wishing I would die so I wouldn't "be like this" anymore.

But yea. You just wanna protect kids. /s