#fire emblem discourse

[medicallyfascinating]

I don't like the agarthans.

And I don't mean this in the "Oh experimenting on children is bad" way because... yeah... obviously?

I mean this in the it takes away from other characters kind of way.

I'm mostly going to be focusing on Ferdinand in this rant but the agarthans take away from SO MANY CHARACTERS

One of the things that enrages me the most is how often Duke Aegir's actions are cushioned/absolved.

In three houses, in Ferdinand and Lysitheas paralogue, Lysithea says that Lord Arundel took over from Duke Aegir and upped the taxes so high that the people of Hrym couldn't survive.

WHY???

It is such an interesting plot point that Ludwig is greedy and self-serving and was slowly destroying Adrestia EVEN WITHOUT THE AGARTHANS

It's so interesting watching Ferdinand have to come to terms with all the awful things his father is done and, in turn, having to question his own beliefs and change and adapt his way of seeing the world so he can do the good he's always intended on doing.

This also jams a massive hole in Ferdinand's ENTIRE ARC during hopes where he's found tax reports and decides his father needs to be jailed because... it wasn't actually really Duke Aegir at all... it was the Agarthans???

MAKE IT MAKE SENSE

Don't even get me started on the brainwashing plot in hopes. WHY???? WHY SUGGEST THAT IS WHAT IS HAPPENING TO DUKE AEGIR???? It doesn't make sense and if it does, once again, it destroys Ferdinand's entire arc. He has to come to terms with something that DOESNT EXIST. And the excuse of "well edelgard and hubert made him think it" doesn't even work BECAUSE FERDINAND COMES TO THIS CONCLUSION HIMSELF- HE IS THE ONE WHO DECIDES THAT LUDWIG MUST BE EXECUTED- HE IS THE ONE WHO WANTS LUDWIG TO BE JAILED DESPITE HOW GUILTY HE FEELS

It deeply upsets me because Ferdinand's arc is so so so compelling in both houses and hopes. There are flaws, obviously, but in general, I love his arc so much and it's so frustrating to watch it be contradicted because for some reason the writers didn't want Ludwig to be a horrible awful terrible person.

Let Ludwig be a horrible awful terrible person.

Let Ferdinand have to come to terms with it.

Let Ferdinand break the cycle.

That is an infinitely more interesting and compelling plot than "Oh no, it was actually the evil guys all along haha"

And this is just Ferdinand. This isn't all the damage it does to ALL the other characters' storylines too.

[emblemxeno]

New FEH Forging Bonds Rant

Hey, so, I'm really pissed.

So in Fallen Dedue's forging bonds scenes in FEH, there's this exchange:

Dedue: I will use this power... to end those who threaten His Majesty... I will end Edelgard, the emperor of the Adrestian Empire.

Tormod: That's right... You're from Fodlan...

Sothe: But didn't you and Edelgard go to school together? What happened that you would fight each other to the death?

Dedue: Fate has lead to this. Unfortunately... My strength is not enough to stop Edelgard... However, if I use the power of the Demonic Beast, I can... take her down... with me-urrgh! That is why I use this- Rrraaagh!

The bolded and italicized part is exactly the dumb shit I'm talking about.

The writers (or translators, idk if the JP version writes something different) are fucking ALLERGIC to assigning blame where it's rightfully due.

When the framing is "it sucks that you two have to fight against each other, war is sad, and it's sad that this shit is happening to you", that is an intentional fucking removal of the actions that led to this point.

It's not goddamn ~fate~ or ~destiny~ that caused Dedue and Dimitri to be at odds with Edelgard, it's the fact that Edelgard invaded their fucking land!

This is the same depraved Passive Voice that journalists and reporters use to whitewash atrocities inflicted upon groups they deem not as "worthy" of attention or have implicit bias against.

To compare, it's like, rather than rightfully pointing out that "Racists are being terrible to Black people, so Black people are pushing back", journalists often say "Oh, Black people are just victims of a fate that makes them volatile and bitter towards racists" type shit.

This writing blurs Edelgard's actions and crimes towards the people of other countries and nations, to foist the blame on it being "inevitable" that Fodlan would fall into conflict. After all, why be meaningfully critical of the root issues at play when you can just write conflict off as "you're all victims of fate, so tragic :("

I know it's just one line among hundreds, but fuck this writing, disrespectfully.

[curse-d-owl]

Me: Rhea has power over Fodlan and she abuses her power to support racism and nationalism. She can protect Catherine from Faerghus despite being a wanted criminal, take away their heroes relics, allowed fodlan to oppress foreign nations, she aided Faerghus in killing Duscur rebels who are trying to reclaim their homeland, deported a Dagdan refugee for practicing their own religion and has religious tenets forbidding foreigners from freely entering Fodlan. Politicians with less power than her like Dimitri and Sylvain did what she refused to do by righting the wrongs of their territory. How can you argue otherwise?

The smartest Rhea fan: The devs build Three Houses around Silver Snow, Edelgard is meant to be a villain, Byleth is a reference to the Buddha's nutsack, Rhea is a genocide vic-

Me: That doesn't answer my fucking question.

[hauntedaeon]

If I see in 2025 one more person being mean to someone else because “Edelgard was right!” “Dimitri was right!” Or “Rhea was right!” I’m going to lose my damn mind. All of them are some degree of fucked up and there’s no 100% best choice. Even Claude is very morally questionable sometimes. All the lords + Rhea are complex characters with both positive admirable traits and huge flaws and that’s one of the things to me that makes 3h so great to me and gives it such staying power. None of them are fully right and none of them (including Rhea) are fully wrong. Discussion about them is very useful as all have their points and it sucks when people just start insulting other fans for who they like. In 2025 let’s have more meaningful discussion about the game we all like and less petty insults and name calling!

(Edits made)

[pandp-author]

In retrospective... Calude was kind of an asshole and a hypocrite for wanting to dig Flayn's secrets and being so insisting about it, and then discovering at the end of his route why Flayn (as well as Seteth and Rhea) was so secretive, and he barely comments much of anything on the fact that he basically has been trying to out her and potentially put her and the remaining nabateans in danger by exposing the fact that you can get sweet weapons out of their corpses, and Rhea is telling him straight to his face that humans were greedy and monstruous enough to do it before (really, I think people forget the teensy, tiny detail that the nabatean genocide came *before* the existence of the church, meaning people wanted their power way before the power was "elevated by divinity", because contrary to popular belief, contrary to what edlgard thinks, the church does not promote the crest system, far from it it's the only institution in Fodlan to try and minimize people's obssession with them) They just committed the Duscur genocicde not that long ago, so who's to say they won't do it again? As someone who keeps secrets out of genuine fear for his life... this is tactless at best

This is made extra ironic because you have Balthus do the same to him on their support together, but Claude has no troubles doing the same to others.

I guess him and edelgard have something in common, lacking this much self-awareness.

[maelor321]

The wasted narrative potential of the Church of Seiros' weakness.

 The church of Seiros is rather infamous, as it is the organization overseeing the main Faith of Fódlan, akin to the Catholic Church in medieval Europe, including for the small territoires. 

The Church is seen by the Fandom and by many in-universe as truly powerful, controlling the Land through the devotion of the people, with a goal of ruling all of Fódlan as puppet masters at best. 

That however is factually false. 

The Church of Seiros is not some all-powerful organization, and isn't even unified. 

Rhea refuse to use her power to dictate policies of the nations, in fact, she many times is too meek, though it make sense.

The Eastern Church are weaponless and puppets of the lords of Leicester, the Southern Church was destroyed, and Faerghus is divided between the western and Central church, with the Western Church and it's aligned lords being traitors to both the Crown and central Church, and puppets of the Agarthans. 

Furthermore, the ideology of the Church, that promote the restraint from abusing Crests, is utterly ignored whenever convenient. 

And just look what happened with the Central Church being invaded! Many lords of Leicester and Faerghus swore themselves to Edelgard, and even in Adrestia, Edie didn't seem to face opposition. 

Though that last point is a bit horseshit, I'm French, and our own first revolution caused a Civil War with the Vendée region's commoners being the most famous for fighting to defend Crown, lords and Faith, it also show how Hresvelg propaganda against the Church, Hresvelg, not merely Edelgard, destroyed the ability of the Church to call to aid anyone south of Garreg Mach, or even East of it.  

The matter really is a wasted opportunity narratively, because the Church being all powerful is something done often in fiction, but beside the actively treacherous and xenophobic Western Church, none of the Churches is really doing manipulation, and the western Church's plots are guided by the Agarthans anyway.

I think there's a lot of possible stories from a Church-centric POV about how the Faith's weakness and scapegoat status, and the fact that so few care for it in favor of treating the organization as the genderbend Catholic Church on steroids is disappointing.

I've seen the comparison with the schrodinger cat being done with the Church and Rhea, the idea being that they're blamed whenever they "overstep", ignoring how their actions are usually justified, but at the same time blamed when they stay out of shits.

If anyone do know stories which exploit this potential, do tell.

[midgardianqueenreturns]

Let’s be honest, saying “Engage is bad because it does not have 3H level discourse” does Three Houses a HUGE disservice.

[seapearlgoddess]

Honestly, looking back at when the Fire Emblem Engage trailer dropped, I think I can safely say that moment exposed just how snobbish and mean many FE fans are 💀. I get that we all have different opinions, but some of you went too far.

[yanderefairyangel]

This fandom is exhausting

[medicallyfascinating]

THIS ‼️‼️‼️

THISSSSSSSSSSSSSS

there are definitely mistakes and there is definitely poor writing involved in all of it and when you pick a route, your characters do make better decisions BUT

NO ONE IS RIGHT. THATS WHAT I NEED EVERYONE TO UNDERSTAND- NOBODY WAS IN THE RIGHT

Some characters made much WORSE decisions and some characters made much better ones but nobody had the "golden route" because everyone did fucked up shit.

The irony of Fire Emblem fans arguing about who was "right" in Three Houses... The entire theme of the game is bringing to light how everyone is biased and jaded and no one has the full story. If you only choose to play a single path, there are tons of "plot holes" that can only be filled when you choose a different side. When discussing their choices, it should be acknowledged that the characters don't have the privilege of perspective and hindsight that the player does.

[emblemxeno]

Hot Take Time!

I think the breakthrough revelation that the Sonic fanbase had about the series' reception during the 2010's, where full-force sincerity in its stories was mocked for being cringe and willingness to stand out in both a gameplay and artistic sense resulted in beloved games being panned retroactively, can be easily applied to FE Engage.

Engage is the most fucking sincere plot the series has had in over a decade. Yes, despite being the guy whose fav FE game is Fates, I think that game was still bogged down by the prospect of following up the blowout success of a game like Awakening and had too many instances of putting in a lot of ideas to see what worked rather than putting the full weight behind a select few core elements.

SoV had the baggage of being a remake while still needing a modern appeal, and ended up with a lot of contradictory aspects. And 3H doesn't know what it wants to be and never did from the ground up.

Engage is different. It wanted to be a grand celebration of 30 years of this great series. It wanted pizazz. It wanted spectacle. It wanted to say "we fucking love this series and we love the fans who supported us."

The characters are flashy and striking to make you remember them. The music is bombastic, with a wide variety of styles so anyone can find a favorite track. The presentation is beautiful, with great visuals and phenomenal sound design. New uber powerful mechanics balanced out by incredible map design, supberb flow, and responsive game feel.

But the sincerity shines brightest with its narrative. The core messages are well written!

Sometimes knowing when to retreat is better than foolhardy bravery. It's always worth considering someone's background and feelings before casting them away. There's never a single easy solution to your problems, and if you think there is, you'll end up repeating the same mistakes. You can find family with anyone, and are not bound solely by those who you're born to. To live authentically as yourself is beautiful and should be celebrated.

The game believes all of those things to a degree which really hasn't been seen since the series was on the brink of death.

But that sincerity was treated as unpalatable, cringe, and plain awful.

The fandom for a series that routinely and infamously has terrible armor designs now suddenly throws a fit because "flower girl has silly dress" or "these characters have face paint/tattoos."

The single laziest form of criticism for FE casts that has permeated the community since Awakening released, that being "the cast is one note tropes that have no personality or development outside of them", came back in full fucking force with Engage.

And it's pretty damn sad. In my opinion, sincerity shouldn't be mocked. Sometimes, you should take a minute and ask yourself "Is it bad, or is it just not my thing? Am I writing off an entire cast's writing because I don't like some character designs? Do I have personal preferences that aren't being met in this instance, and should I learn to grapple with saying that instead of just writing off the product as fundamentally terrible or, at best, half-assed?"

At some point, looking inward and considering community wide commonalities has to be recognized as a factor for why products are received the way they are, rather than just laying blame at the devs' feet for "not making a good product that people wanted." After all, word of mouth is the reason why FE even got this far, considering FE1 was effectively a sleeper hit because people who played it spread the word despite mixed reviews.

TL-DR, Engage isn't cringe, YOU ARE!!!

[curse-d-owl]

I have a negative habit of ruminating about getting dragged into bad faith arguments that are initiated with toxic insults. If i don't vent about it properly this junk will bother me more than it needs to.

The obnoxious arguments im still bothered about involve certain Edelgard fans that resort to childish insults, willfully ignorant arguments and deliberate lies.

Put everything under a read more cause this is a long one:

Here are all the arguments and stances they pretend to care about:

https://www.tumblr.com/curse-d-owl/769140665684836352/me-edelgard-is-a-worse-liar-than-what-you-falsely?source=share

https://www.tumblr.com/curse-d-owl/771414853105631232/getting-into-three-houses-was-one-of-the-biggest?source=share

https://www.tumblr.com/curse-d-owl/769218084638687232/today-id-like-to-talk-about-the-mistakes-the?source=share

"You take away the depth and nuance to just to make false accusations, insulting others over harmless and different opinions and you misread basic text"

For starters they're the obnoxious manchildren that immediately resort to childish insults over different opinions. I only use insults in retaliation. And like the manchildren they are they immediately deny their toxicity and use my retaliation as "proof" I'm the villain in order to play the victim.

Second of all theyre the ones guilty of that by taking away all of the context and depth regarding Dimitri and Rufus by falsely accuse Dimitri of being a lying villain that wants to kill his "poor" uncle all because i called out Edelgard for her lies.

They took away all of the context regarding three hopes from the start of the game till chapter 14 of Scarlet Blaze just to call Dimitri paranoid for fighting against violent invaders and claim Edelgard is a sincere victim of aggression that wants to end the conflict.

This manchild tried to insult my intelligence by spinning the narrative behind Dimitri's and Edelgard's exchange just so he can accuse me of being the illiterate one and mock me for it. What makes his childish response more pathetic is that it's projections of the highest level cause he's proven that he's the illiterate one for misreading the exchange and the point of my post to such an embarrassing degree.

Edelgard lied about only being after the church =/= why is there conflict between them?

Turn around and i totally will stop attacking Faerghus =/= you're deliberately defend Rhea's status quo and you're in my way

I don't believe that will end your violent aggressions and i will defend my people against your invasion. You've come after my head before why should I trust you now? =/= i refuse to resolve this peacefully and i stand with the church

Edelgard throwing out an ultimatum she never intented on honoring =/= she made a genuine offer as if she's in any position to make one.

Nowhere have i made a singular statement in my Claude post that:

Takin extreme measures for a good cause makes you a villain

Not being actively malicious like the Agarthans means you can't be a villain

And nowhere did i say that being an opportunistic characters are badly written.

If anything i heavily condemns both Rhea and Edelgard.

Also notice how he only insults Claude as a bastard and yet refuses to insult Edelgard in the same way, let alone acknowledge she isn't a pure saint lmao.

Only Claude is labeled as a "opportunistic bastard" for actually fighting for noble and benevolent goals but Edelgard who has done nothing but bleed Fodland dry and ruin thousands of lives for invalid reasons doesn't get a single insult thrown at her. She's a literal cancer on Fodlan and the world outside it but it's only okay when she does it cause she has good intentions. Give me a break.

He insults me for making a valid criticisms and yet not only is he the one guilty of making idiotic and toxic takes with his "warm hands" post but he goes out of his way to shit on Blue Lion's fans by tagging the characters. This take goes beyond abysmal reading comprehension, this moronic take borders on schizophrenia.

Although his recovery was too rapid he didn't magically got cured by "WaRm HaNdS", it was Fleche seeing what revenge does to people, Rodrigue sacrificing his life for Dimitri and both Rodrigue and Byleth giving him the advice to move past being consumed by vengeance.

Nobody denies nor excuses the people he murdered. Infact he gets held accountable by the cast and himself unlike Edelgard and Jeritza.

His status as an mc and royal didn't give him a free pass either unlike Edelgard.

Felix alongside everyone else told Dimitri he can atone for his sins through change and deeds and he became Dimitri's right hand man.

Dimitri gets falsely accused of being an eternal danger despite am proving otherwise and yet both Edelgard and Jeritza ( the latter also being homicidal due to traumatic experiences ) never get held to the same standard. Infact Jeritza is infinitely worse than Dimitri cause he doesn't fight for any moral cause, he kills for the sake of killing, is so unhinged that he kills the very employer that gave her "hunting grounds", violently wounded Manuela, helps the agarthans endanger Remire village, hurts his own sister, tells Bernadetta that her life is in danger should she remain in his vicinity and in his solo ending roams the world despite being the same maniac he's been since day 1. And yet neither Edelgard norJeritza gets this same slander from them.

Only Claude is an unlikable bastard, only Dimitri is an eternal danger to society but Edelgard who is actually guilty of both accusations? No she CANT be an opportunistic scumbag nor an eternal danger to society cause she and she alone has "benevolent goals"

When i make a perceived bad take, it's bad, toxic and deserving of ridiculed but when hes actually guilty of that it it isn't toxic but harmless. He's a repulsive manchild with a victim complex.

"The oppressed screams for war for that will save them

The oppressed shouldn't wait for the sake of the oppressors

Rulers must use their authority to do the right their wrongs

Violence and sacrifices are justified if it's for a good cause. That's the point of a revolution

The revolutionist are the victims and don't deserve hatred and punishment for their deeds.

Edelgard is the only one who takes the fast approach to reform and saving the oppressed, Dimitri and Claude don't care about Fodlan and their reforms are ineffective"

First they claim all of this but the moment i prove that Dimitri is the one who takes the fastest path to righting his nation's wrongs by fighting civil wars for the sake of Duscur and the commoners, that Rhea doesnt protest against Dimitri's reforms and Edelgard is the slow and ineffective ruler that keeps letting Brigid suffer under imperialism they immediately discredit Dimitri cause he uses violence and killed his corrupt uncle, justify Edelgard being the ineffective ruler and argues that the oppressed should shut up and tolerate the oppression for the sake of Edelgard and her racist citizens.

The most ironic part about all of this is that these type of Edelgard fans support things that her fave looks down on. Just goes to show they don't even like the concept behind her character lmfao.

Another thing this child cool-whatever first falsely accused me of giving the church a free pass for killing others in response to me condeming Edelgard for her UNJUSTIFIED war, then i respond by telling them that i condemn unjustified murder not murder in self defense and then when i point out how Dimitri already reformed Faerghus and rights both Faerghus's and Rhea's wrong by giving reperations to Duscur and giving social mobility to the commoners this child brings up the fact that Dimitri hires Miklan, that he's a murderer, strawmans my argument by accusing me of saying all murder is bad and uses Miklan to argue that Dimitri's reforms are bad because of it.....

3 things

1. Miklan went from being a massive victim of the crests system to the irredeemable scumbag he is and that that invalidates any just cause.

2. Apparently the very thing they justify Edelgard allegedly does which is using any means necessary to help the oppressed is both bad ..... Seriously do they want the oppressed to he saved by any means necessary or do the exact opposite? I can't tell what these Edelgard fans want anymore.

3. To make this more headache inducing after literally spoon feeding this immature manchild by reiterating that i condemn unjust murders and their precious Edelgard is it objectively worse for defending Miklan, working with the Agarthans, hiring both Jeritza and Metodey and point out by their idiotic logic Edelgard is wrong they still try to argue as if I'm the one who doesn't realize murder is a heinous deed like they're not the ones bending over backwards to protect their babygirl from being condemned for unjustly killing so many innocents.

"We hate characters that support crests, feudalism, using citizens as weapons, lies and manipulation, abusing their children for the sake of improving their standing and we care about victims of the crest system like Edelgard"

Rufus is guilty of all of these things and shares the same crimes as Rhea, Gregoire, Ludwig and Dimitri is a victim of both feudalism and the crest system just like Edelgard. And yet they turn around and coddle a villain like Rufus and demonize Dimitri who's also a victim like Edelgard.

"We condemn Faerghus and the church for commiting genocide against Duscur. Just because someone commits a crime doesn't mean their group should suffer for the actions of a few"

They pretend to condemn generalizations and unjust oppression cause of the actions of a few but immediately turn around and argue against Petra and Brigid being victims of Adrestia's unjust imperialism by claiming they inflicted the oppression on themselves and because of it they should shut up and wait patiently for Edelgard to decide when a nation gets it's right back.

Which is in stark contrast to Dimitri fighting civil wars and risking civil unrest all to give Duscur their land back.

Plus its hilariously hypocritical from them to argue "they started it so they can't complain" when they simultaneously cry about the fact that Dimitri kills Adrestian invaders and wants Edelgard dead cause they started attacking Faerghus.

"You will be killed if you criticise Seiros in the slightest"

Edelgard blamed the goddess for turning Miklan into a violent, sadistic, sex offending bandit onfront of a highly pious and high ranking officer of Rhea's army. They then try to justify that Rhea let's this slide cause she can't risk endangering Adrestia in the slightest by mildly inconveniencing her when 1. Edelgard is at the mercy of Rhea proven by the fact that Edelgard will be punished should her accusations about Arundel be proven false and 2. They turn around and argue that Edelgard can never reform Adrestia cause Rhea will send assassin's after her .... Which defeats the whole point of Rhea allegedly being afraid Adrestia. Ugh

"Edelgard isn't a liar, an aggresor, evil, she isn't paranoid, she doesn't go beyond dismantling the church. She is righteous and sincere in all of her deeds.

Dimitri is a liar towards Rufus, fights for a corrupt church, he's paranoid for believing Edelgard wishes him and Faerghus harm, Claude is the aggressor, attacked the innocent Adrestia that never harmed Leicester"

We've already proven that Dimitri is the competent ruler that's righted Faerghus's wrongs for 2 years straight without any input from Edelgard nor Claude while Edelgard has done nothing except burn Fodlan to the ground.

Now let's clearly look at the context from beginning of Edelgard's declaration of war to chapter 14 of Scarlet Blaze.

Edelgard offered no diplomacy to neither Leicester, Faerghus nor the church

Immediately resorts to war with the intent to conquer Fodlan for herself

Violently invades Faerghus and Leicester with the intent to kill and conquer

Spills the blood of Dimitri's people

Attempts to kill Dimitri for defending his homeland

Ingrid steppes in to save Dimitri from being killed and secures his escape against Edelgards murder attempt

Ingrid, one of Dimitri's closest friends, gets killed in the process

Edelgard constantly puts Faerghus in a kill or be killed situation

Edelgard throws out an empty ultimatum in the middle of an invasion attempt and one that she never intended on honoring and Dimitri rightfully calls bs on her and fights for his people.

Everyone with a functioning brain can tell that Edelgard is the conniving and homicidal aggressor and that Dimitri is the sane victim who rightfully defends his people and doesn't fall for her lies and yet the smartest and brightest Edelgard fans believe Dimitri is paranoid, Edelgard is the victim and that her empty ultimatum is a sincere offer.

What makes this even funnier is that my first unfortunate interaction with that clown car Raxis cause he cries that i give an alleged victim like Edelgard shit for fighting back against invaders, an invasion her dumbass inflicted on herself.

Real classy calling your favorite female character the b word.

Another thing i forgot to mention is that the aggressor is in no position to make any "offers" against the victims they're trying to kill.

What is an actual example of an offer is Claude and Dimitri asking Edelgard to an armistice and cooperate in peace. Claude has defeated her army in the palace and she has one foot in the grave and despite being able to secure victory Claude still gave her a chance to end things in peace and not in blood and Dimitri tried to end this war peacefully before he launched his retaliatory invasion towards Edelgard. Even after all the unjustifiable crimes Edelgard committed and turning herself into an inhuman monster with the intent to kill and conquer Fodlan Dimitri still extended his hand in mercy and walk towards a better future together.

And how did our noble emperor respond with? With violence all because of her actual paranoia regarding the other rulers. Paranoia that isn't even based on anything tangible cause they both reform fodlands to her ideals.

Moving onto Leicester first he claims that Edelgard never attacked Leicester and that Leicester are the true aggressors but the moment I call out his blatant lie by proving that she did violently invade Leicester in the first part of gw he responds by literally admitting that he omitted that part and claims it isn't relevant .... A literal piece of counterevidence proving that Edelgard is the aggressor is not relevant to the topic on Edelgard not being an aggressor. That's like saying Rhea never burned Fhirdiad to the ground and the literal piece for evidence proving otherwise is invalid cause it's falsely accused of being irrelevant.

To make matters worse this moron tried to justify it by saying it's a strike against me cause Edelgard burying the hatched with Claude ( nevermind how callous, disrespectful and conniving she is and that she only wanted a pact to use Leicester ) is proof shes sincere and that it proves that Dimitri is paranoid for believing otherwise .....

See arguing with these type of Edelgard fans is a good way to lose braincells and your hope in humanity.

And to make that matter even worse he demands me to acknowledge Claude's attack on Edelgard in Scarlet Blaze's bad ending and condemn that as if she's the victim and not Claude retaliating to his aggressors.

When Edelgard is a violent aggressor they argue that she's innocent and the proof against her is invalid due to "irrelevancy" but that same braindead logic doesn't apply when other characters "unjustly attack" Edelgard.

To make that matter even worse when i argued that Edelgard lied about her assault on Leicester he immediately justified by claiming that that's what politicians are supposed to do.

First they argue that Edelgard is an innocent victim of aggression who'd never lie and is sincere towards her "oppressors" and now she's a violent and lying aggressor who's actions are in character and justified cause she's a politician.

They also claim their exchange is couched in double speak in order to get restitutions and allow Edelgard plausible deniability, which

1. Politicians are obligated to be honest, especially when they want a alliance with their victims

2. There is no double speak from Claude, he blatantly calls her out for her shit

3. Claude knows she's full of shit and Edelgard knows that Claude knows she's full of shit and she has to pay restitutions to get the pact she's begging Claude to sign

and 4. The fact that she lied and sugarcoated her crimes against Leicester clearly indicates that she does her best to pay as little reperations as possible to which Claude blatantly mentioned that he has to make sure that Edelgard's reperations is fully paid.

They can't even use simple words like relevant and irrelevant properly and yet want to use big terms like double speak and plausible deniability. They're idiots that use big words they don't understand to look smart.

But for the sake of this argument let's pretend that politicians are obligated to lie to save their own skin. If that's the case then why did they condemn Dimitri for allegedly lying to Rufus?

Why does Dimitri get condemned for his "politicking" for an actual good cause and yet Edelgard gets praised for endangering innocents with hers?

Everyone in Faerghus is begging for Rufus to he deposed off and Dimitri to take the throne, there has never been a single positive comment made about Rufus and after Rufus has been executed Dimitri has worked her to heal the damage Faerghus, Rufus and Rhea caused.

Edelgard lies to deny the same crimes she condemns Rhea and the Agarthans for in a sad attempt to pay as little reperations as possible.

If violently attacking an innocent nation for selfish reasons and being a lying politician is so bad then why do they pardon and praise Edelgard when she's criticised for it?

If they're gonna praise this repulsive behaviour from Edelgard then why did they condemn Dimitri and Claude over the false accusation of commiting these crimes?

One way or another you cannot argue that their precious Edelgard is innocent. They're stuck between pardoning Claude and Dimitri for the false accusations they throw at them or condemning Edelgard for crimes she's actually guilty off and falsely accuse the other rulers of.

As you can tell at this point there is a trend with these type of obnoxious Edelgard fans.

They claims shes righteous and the other rulers are villainous, when that gets debunked and the opposite gets proven they turn around and change their stance by praising her villainy as if it's righteous and vice versa.

They pretend to care about a certain stance, immediately throw it away when it's against them and showcase their true colors on the matter by not having a single stance at all.

It's not a matter of what but a matter of who.

They can't read above a 4th grade level, they can't use common sense at its most basic level, they can't remember what they said 5 seconds ago and they can't process short and simple text let alone a text heavy game like 3h.

These type of Edelgard fans are the reason why it's so unpleasant and insufferable to talk about 3h. No one can state a harmless fact without getting hounded by toxic and idiotic manchildren that resort to insults and deliberate lies.

And with that I'm finally done with this nonsense. I'm not gonna dwell on this junk a moment longer and i will not give lowlives like them the time of my day.

They don't argue in good faith, they solely argue to convince people their badly written fave is right and make others feel bad for having a conflicting opinion. They argue solely to piss other people off cause their lives are so empty and miserable that this is the only way to get attention and feel accomplished in their lives.

And the worst part about all of this is that they claim their toxicity regarding their badly written fave is "lively and healthy debate". Not a single rational soul wants to put up with them.

If there's any take away with my mistake of arguing with these type of Edelgard fans it's this:

Don't allow yourself to get provoked by childish insults by obnoxiously manchildren.

Arguing with these losers is like playing chess with a pigeon

[cygnus-rose]

forgot I made this

[faerghusfucker]

adding onto this, them being responsible for pretty much all of fodlan’s ills takes away from any meaningful commentary that the game could’ve made about any of its core themes relating to war/politics. the characters could’ve been infinitely more dimensional and interesting and ACTUALLY morally gray if everything the agarthans had actually been done by other people. HUMANS have capacity for insane evils and the fact that 3H takes that away and assigns it to the Freaky Mole People is such a disappointment

for me, the first thing that comes to mind with this is actually the tragedy of duscur (shocker!!!). if the whole thing had actually been orchestrated by rufus and the western lords it would’ve opened up so much potential conversation about how lambert’s rule could’ve driven them to do such a thing. obviously their participation means they were unhappy with something he did, and it would’ve been amazing if we could follow dimitri through learning more about that AND ALSO give lambert some more story presence than just being a dead king. WHAT KIND of king was he???? what kind of PERSON was he????? i want DETAILS

HUMAN BEINGS ARE CAPABLE OF EVIL. LET THEM DO THE EVIL INSTEAD OF JUST HAVING THEM BE MANIPULATED INTO IT AND ABSOLVING THEM OF BLAME

I don't like the agarthans.

And I don't mean this in the "Oh experimenting on children is bad" way because... yeah... obviously?

I mean this in the it takes away from other characters kind of way.

I'm mostly going to be focusing on Ferdinand in this rant but the agarthans take away from SO MANY CHARACTERS

One of the things that enrages me the most is how often Duke Aegir's actions are cushioned/absolved.

In three houses, in Ferdinand and Lysitheas paralogue, Lysithea says that Lord Arundel took over from Duke Aegir and upped the taxes so high that the people of Hrym couldn't survive.

WHY???

It is such an interesting plot point that Ludwig is greedy and self-serving and was slowly destroying Adrestia EVEN WITHOUT THE AGARTHANS

It's so interesting watching Ferdinand have to come to terms with all the awful things his father is done and, in turn, having to question his own beliefs and change and adapt his way of seeing the world so he can do the good he's always intended on doing.

This also jams a massive hole in Ferdinand's ENTIRE ARC during hopes where he's found tax reports and decides his father needs to be jailed because... it wasn't actually really Duke Aegir at all... it was the Agarthans???

MAKE IT MAKE SENSE

Don't even get me started on the brainwashing plot in hopes. WHY???? WHY SUGGEST THAT IS WHAT IS HAPPENING TO DUKE AEGIR???? It doesn't make sense and if it does, once again, it destroys Ferdinand's entire arc. He has to come to terms with something that DOESNT EXIST. And the excuse of "well edelgard and hubert made him think it" doesn't even work BECAUSE FERDINAND COMES TO THIS CONCLUSION HIMSELF- HE IS THE ONE WHO DECIDES THAT LUDWIG MUST BE EXECUTED- HE IS THE ONE WHO WANTS LUDWIG TO BE JAILED DESPITE HOW GUILTY HE FEELS

It deeply upsets me because Ferdinand's arc is so so so compelling in both houses and hopes. There are flaws, obviously, but in general, I love his arc so much and it's so frustrating to watch it be contradicted because for some reason the writers didn't want Ludwig to be a horrible awful terrible person.

Let Ludwig be a horrible awful terrible person.

Let Ferdinand have to come to terms with it.

Let Ferdinand break the cycle.

That is an infinitely more interesting and compelling plot than "Oh no, it was actually the evil guys all along haha"

And this is just Ferdinand. This isn't all the damage it does to ALL the other characters' storylines too.

[midgardianqueenreturns]

Engage doesn’t have enough discourse you say? Very well I will start one.

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Tallcryst is a myth. Alcryst will stay a short king for the rest of his life 😤

[truejekart]

Valentine Edelgard 💗