#french sign language

[miraclechatbug]

Headcanon # 273

The Gorilla (Placide) is mute and taught Adrien a couple of signs when he was younger

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Like this post if you speak a Sign Language

[spooky-circuits]

I think the different troll genres would probably have different cultures around deafness but overall be fairly accepted. The different genres also probably had their own sign language because of the separation. Not completely different but enough that it gets confusing for hearing trolls who don’t know that there are regional signs.

[pineartppland]

Inktober Day 13 : Kind

[yourdumbdevil]

being bilingual is awesome. just being able to communicate in another language in itself is so cool but one aspect we don't talk about just as much is the access to information. like, right at your fingertips. just looking stuff on google and realizing wait. I could look up the same thing but in english and I'll get different results?? absolutely changed my life. I actually realized that embarrassingly late in my studies but now it's practically become a habit of mine.

looking up that wikipedia page and it's not very detailed? switch the language. looking up an event/phenomenon/whatever for a paper but you can't seem to find much on it? switch the language. world news that haven't be covered in your country? swith the language.

learning a second language has like. expanded my world view and my range of possibilities so much it's incredible. of course not every language has as much documentation available online, and english is very much at an advantage in that field, but there is a community for every culture out there. and realizing you can actually be a small part of it because you speak the language is a feeling like no other.

I wish I knew other languages so I could learn things the english and french speaking worlds are not knowledgeable about. I wish I knew every language, but alas, we only have so much time....

[narriaa]

Je suis peut-être la dernière au courant, mais j'ai découvert que le Projet Voltaire a mis en ligne un programme d'apprentissage des bases de la LSF (langue des signes française). Et c'est gratuit :3

https://lsf.fondation-voltaire.fr

Je dis pas que ça va nous permettre de finir bilingue, mais ça peut constituer un début :)

[martyrbat]

fully supportive of cass learning sign language and the fanon that she uses it more than spoken language but also. so many of you act as if its a lesser version of communication and she'll automatically be a pro/not struggle with it. its still a complex language that has structure, grammar, vocabulary and syntax. theres so many different factors for it, even within just one region - different signing styles, dialects, slang, as well as actual variations (asl, pse, see)

just because you rely on verbal communication doesnt mean nonverbal or alternative versions of communication is a lesser version than your normal

sign language, writing, variant types of aac devices and resources. its all methods of communication. it all deserves to be treated with the respect and regard that vocal languages are treated with

[dedalvs]

Could you please talk more about how/why agreement systems develop in language? I always feel that agreement systems are poorly justified in my conlanging

Agreement systems are retained in language because the redundancy strengthens the signal. It's better to think about linguistics systems in terms of "why didn't speakers get rid of this" as opposed to "why did this come about in the first place". Sometimes things happen randomly. They're retained because they're useful.

But like, consider gender in English. We used to have it. Gender was mostly defined by the endings of words. We lost all the endings. We lost some major forms of agreement (consider that French still has different articles). At a certain point, it was impossible to tell if a noun was m/f/n, so of course English lost its gender system. It was no longer useful. In fact, going even further, it was the opposite of useful, because it was totally unpredictable and didn't buy you anything.

As an example of the latter, there's this sign system called Signed Exact English (SEE). It's often (not always, but often) pedaled as a replacement for ASL, because it will "help" Deaf signers learn English. One of the features it retains is the distinction between "a" and "an". English speakers know how to do this instinctively: You use "a" before a noun phrase (not a noun, but a noun phrase) that begins with a consonant sound, and you use "an" before a noun phrase that begins with a vowel sound (so "umbrella" gets "an", but "union" gets "a"). In SEE, there's a separate sign for "a" and "an", and then ASL signs are used for English words like "man" and "old". So then you have to sign:

A MAN

AN OLD MAN

But, of course, the difference is based on the sound of the English pronunciation of the word the sign stands for, so it is quite literally impossible to predict for a Deaf signer. It has to be memorized. Which is an extraordinary task. Basically, all nouns, adjectives, and adverbs (consider "a really old man") have to be dumped in either the A class or the AN class with absolutely no way to predict which will be in which.

This is a great example of a feature that would quickly die in a natural language.

So looking at gender, the question is how useful is it? If it's (a) predictable, and (b) spread across multiple areas of the language, then it's more useful, and more likely to be retained. If you look at Spanish, agreement is present in pronouns, adjectives, demonstratives, and articles. The gender of a noun highly predictable (not 100%, but highly predictable). That's a stable gender system. French is similar, but the gender is less predictable for nouns. If one was going to lose gender first, you'd predict French. Even so, it's still predictable enough that more will probably have to happen for French to actually lose it.

As for where it comes from, if you want to read a detailed account of the development of Indo-European gender, this is an intro. Most of the time it's the incorporation of pronouns or small, generic nouns that become commonly associated with particular classes and are used as modifiers. We've got a pretty good example of the development of noun class in Sarkezhe, season 4 of LangTime Studio. If you want to see it done from beginning to end, check that out.

Hope that helps!

[arcanewebs]

does. anyone else experience the language learning pipeline of like

yeah why not seems kinda fun -> (optional step) the writing system is crazy bro -> damn theres no WAY im gonna remember any of this shit -> genuine interest and fascination with the differences between languages and needing to Know more

and its because of the stupidest reason for starting learning it in the first place

[hamsternamedmarinette]

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[perplexingluciddreams]

Saw that you are learning Swedish. How it’s going? Has a specific reason why you’re learning?

(M’s really like languages, it’s really fun for him to learn)

- @areynobodytoo

oh I just love languages and I'm really into a Swedish heavy metal band called Sabaton right now so it sparked my interest.

I'm also doing German (just for fun) and I learned some basic French in school, which I like to practice sometimes.

I'd also love to learn Gàidhlig (aka Scottish Gaelic) as I live in Scotland.

The languages I actually use every day are just English and some basic BSL (mostly single signs, or a combination of two or three signs, for example "dinner eat what?").

[scotisfr]

30 days of Langue des Signes Françaises (30dolsf)

🐎 Day 11 to 16

I'm bad at updating the challenge here, but I'm also bad at doing everyday in real life. It's okay, as long as I'm continuing the challenge, my pace is good. And I had my first café-signe : two hours of coffee (tea for me) while discussing in LSF with other peoples of my level and with a teacher.

Topic focus : Slowly introducing new words so I can have basic greetings, common conversation starters and phrases. As I'm slow, I'm more revising than learning.

11/30 days of Langue des Signes Françaises Learning challenge 🐎 [12 / 01 / 24]

🌲 Total time : 12mins

12/30 days of Langue des Signes Françaises Learning challenge 🐎 [16 / 01 / 24]

🌲 Total time : 12mins

13/30 days of Langue des Signes Françaises Learning challenge 🐎 [22 / 01 / 24]

🌲 Total time : 1mins

14/30 days of Langue des Signes Françaises Learning challenge 🐎 [25 / 01 / 24]

🌲 Total time : 45mins

15/30 days of Langue des Signes Françaises Learning challenge 🐎 [26 / 01 / 24]

🌲 Total time : 120mins

16/30 days of Langue des Signes Françaises Learning challenge 🐎 [31 / 01 / 24]

🌲 Total time : 12mins

🔵 Ressource(s) used : - Fondation voltaire : LSF - Dictionnaire 1200 Signes La Langue des Signes Française - Café-signe du Schmilblik

[fandomsandkittens]

In all my years of learning French on and off, I’ve never heard of the shadowing method where you watch a movie in your target language and repeat the lines back to the TV. Thank you Itsuomi-san from A Sign of Affection! I’ll have to try that now.

[isawthe-sign]

French

Sources: SigningSavvy, Lifeprint, ASLDeafined

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French in American Sign Language. Hand in F handshape palm up facing away from signer twists inward. Movement is illustrated by arms that are translucent blue and green in different stages of the sign.

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[coquelicoq]

[Image description: A laundry room sign with instructions for using the washing machine, first in English and then ostensibly translated into Spanish. Next to the High Efficiency logo is the text "HE (High Efficiency) Concentrated Soap is Recommended" and below that is "Por favor usar un jabon haute efficacité". Below that is a picture of the machine with parts labeled in English and Spanish. /end ID]

it's embarrassing how long i was standing there trying to figure out how to pronounce haute efficacité in spanish before i realized that haute efficacité is, in fact, french

[mechanics-of-life]

Language learning January update:

Current priorities -

1) Mandarin (basic fluency, HSK 5)

2) ASL (work through Lingvano app)

3) Toki Pona (learn all 137 words)

4) Hebrew / Arabic (relearn/learn alphabet)

5) Gaelic (start learning again, if I have time)

6) French (work through Duolingo I guess)

Mandarin -

Previous info: Been slowly learning for the last few years (uhh I think it's been like 5 years or so). I know probably around 3000 characters, but I still feel like I don't even have basic fluency somehow.

Goal: Basic fluency by the end of the year, confidence with all HSK 4 and HSK 5 words and grammar structures. Even though my current reading level is closer to the 拼音 books I have, I want to slowly work through the novel I have.

Progress: Trying to read a few pages of a 拼音 book every day, and so far with the novel I'm about 5 sentences in, with 20 new words added to my vocabulary list.

ASL (sign language) -

Previous info: started learning around October last year, working through the Lingvano app. Had a pretty good streak going for awhile but broke the streak and lost motivation sometime in December. Trying to get back into it. I probably know around 300 signs.

Goal: Work through the Lingvano app by the end of the year.

Toki Pona -

Previous info: I know 10 words...

Goals: Learn all the 137 words by the end of the year.

Greek, Gaelic, Latin, French -

Previous info: Greek - tried learning a few years ago, maybe learned about 30 words. Gaelic - started learning 2 years ago, maybe had about 50 words or so. Latin - didn't get far at all, maybe a few words. French - learned it in school up till grade 12, but I've forgotten so much; don't really have the motivation to get back into it, but I really should.

Goals: I guess these are all on hold for now, unless I get my life more organized. Greek probably won't become a priority again for awhile, Latin certainly won't be a priority for a long while unfortunately, but I hope I can get into Gaelic again later in the year if I find some time. French is definitely something I should get back into, ASAP, but the motivation is just not there for it.

Hebrew -

Previous info: I'm a scholar and a weirdo so I wanna work through the original version of the bible and all its biblical hebrew. Learning the language seems "easier" than struggling with just looking the whole thing up word by word. I didn’t get very far, I guess I sort of know the alphabet and probably around 5 words.

Goal: uhhh idk, do better.

Arabic (Egyptian dialect) -

Previous info: just started learning, still trying to work on recognizing the alphabet.

Goal: I want to be able to learn the alphabet and pronunciation by the end of the year. Duolingo can't really help so it's gonna be an uphill battle for this.

Misc -

I guess my other priorities down the line would be Sanskrit and Italian. Sanskrit cause why not, and Italian cause I want to read through the original Dante's Inferno