#hazbin hotel talk

[2minutesnotice]

Got in a heated debate that ended with agree to disagree about Valentino (and Vox).

And YES, I'm aware about how complicated it is to LIKE these characters and how IMPORTANT it is to be aware that they're fictional but their actions (especially Vals) are something that happens in the real world and has long time consequences for the victims of said people.

More under the cut:

TRIGGER WARNINGS:

talk about sexual abuse/victim shaming/mental issues/dubious consent/rape

While Vox is easy to explain, his actions are something we are confronted with every day and question every day (especially in this decade):

How does Media influences and manipulates us and how we try to find a good middle line to consume but not be consumed.

Vox powers, besides his physical ones being able to teleport through media, we know about and with every new generation we try to fight it more and more.

Media is something that can't hurt us deeply. It can make us uncomfortable, but we can turn off the TV and blend it out. If we're kinda okay-ish mentally. But let's get with the norm.

While Valentino is a WHOLE different book.

Sexual abuse, non consent physical contact, dubious consent, victim blaming, narcissistic behavior, anger issues. The list goes on and on and I guess with a new season it will even get longer.

These are all things we learn from a young age are WRONG. It is wrong to do things without consent, we learn from young age that people with anger issues are scary and should be avoided. You wouldn't greet a person like Valentino with open arms and think "Oh wow he's nice!" if you have been raised kinda traumaless and without mental issues, in a normal environment.

Because this plays a big role how people even connect with him and how they get into his circle. People who are mentally unstable, people who see him as someone who has everything under control and lay their fate in his hands. (And sometimes they see his fame and glitter and we have to agree he is kinda charming).

His powers are pheromones. He can influence people with his breath and spit and he knows how to use it, paired with toxic charme. And that what makes him dangerous, paired with his anger issues and I guess, personal trauma.

Which does not excuse his actions in any way.

Sexual Abuse is something that goes so deep with us, because if you're not a sociopath or psychopath, you know it's wrong. Someone coming at YOU, into your personal space and takes something from you, you can't even GRASP, you can't touch or hold dignity, breaks you. You won't be able to fix that. Our personal space is something that no one should be allowed to touch without consent. I. ANY way.

That's why Valentinos actions hit so hard. He takes things from people they will never get back in full. He brakes people, in body AND mind. That's fucked up.

BUT, and that's the point for me, we see all this and we know he is BAD. He is a VILLAIN.

While Alastor is a witty guy, who catches us with his quirks and old timey puns, he is, a villain. He is a bad guy, a bad person. His actions are villainous. But his powers and actions are so supernatural, he does not seem a threat to us.

Vox is a charismatic guy who knows how to use people and what to say to make things go his way. He IS a villain. He controlls, he is also a narcissist, I also bet he is an misogynistic asshole (Velvet being the exception, but I'm not diving into that, don't want to rant about how much I hate men lol).

He has his fair share of kills, talks about it like afternoon tea. He is a villain. But his actions are so far away from a normal daily life, we kinda excuse it, because we don't walk around neighborhood and shoot people out of fun. Yeah I know there's always the exceptions.

And villains are bad, it's not complex, this is black and white in most cases.

Villains are bad. They hurt people, they kill your father and want the throne, they make the sons of gods human to kill them, they rape the Queen to get what they want, you get where I want to go.

And people always liked villains. They make the story go, they make us questioning ourselves. How many of our actions would make us the villain in someone elses story?

How many of our own issues do we reflect into this (in this case) fictional character?

It's deep psychological shit why people fall in love with Serial Killers and Rapists, even when society says it's WRONG.

If you actually tried to have a conversation with Valentino fans, mostly ALL of them know his actions are wrong. Yes, the Voice Actor KNOWS THAT TOO. They understand that he is a villain, that he does bad things. We only see Angel Dust as his main victim but we know there are more. Angel is just the tip of the iceberg.

But he is also, fictional. And Angels victim story gets explained, they show how his life has been influenced by Valentino and how hard it is for a victim to try to break the chains of their abuser. A story that a lot of people can identify with. And they feel seen (another topic I won't go into deep here).

Maybe they could've taken more time to explain all of it but we all know Hazbin has a pacing problem.

So, why do I share pics of these guys and don't have an issue with Val/Vox fans?

I'm 35 old and know it's fictional media. I know that these people and these characters don't hurt me or others. Yes I question their behavior, that makes me an healthy adult who knows that things sometimes are black and white and sometime, are grey.

Also, most of the art of especially these two, is hilarious. You see that people don't take them too seriously. You see that people want to give these characters some depth without trying to erase their origins.

Yes, Vox is a mastermind, but he's also so self centered and obsessed with things, even over DECADES, that it's easy to not take him seriously.

Valentino is a nearly blind Himbo, he has his multiple hands in many things but as we have seen, most of his actions are controlled by the controll freak in the team. They are peak comedy material.

While being dangerous as fuck.

Very long story short,

It's okay to like a villain, as long as you are aware that not every villain has good roots, but is just an asshole with mental issues, who not wants to be redeemed. Sometimes people are bad, because, surprise, they like to be bad.

And if you don't like content, you have all the power in your hands. Scroll, block, make a blacklist of tags you don't want to see. Learn how to consume media, if it's not healthy for you, skip it, take control of your timeline.

But don't harass people on the Internet over fictional people. Put that energy in stuff you like, that brings way more joy.

[ashortdropandasuddenstop]

// Respectless has been on repeat for over an hour now.. save me someone..

[eeveonaartz]

Funny Thing

TW: Hazbin Hotel Spoilers

I just admire the fact that vaggie is amazed when Adam gets st@bbed in the gut by Nifty~

Its just funny and I think it just adds onto her lore about how she truly resents heavens, hates Adam, and h*ll is where she feels home at <3

[nerdasaurus1200]

Okay people have been talking about this but I wanna talk about it too because my heart is in a vice grip over it

The fact that Lucifer looks so vacant when the angels’ spears are on him. He looks so…dead and accepting. Like he doesn’t care what they do to him.

But then when the spears suddenly turn to Charlie…

He is horrified. He is so so scared of losing her, of anything bad or even lethal happening to her. He looks like he’s looking upon his worst nightmare seeing heaven threaten his little girl

(In other words, eat it Lute, he does care.)

[a1sart]

if there's one thing this last episode has affirmed for me about Alastor it's that he FUCKING HATES being reminded that he's not the most powerful creature in hell.

Like, he hates being ignored by Carmilla when she says she doesn't care why he was gone

He hates Lucifer ON SIGHT

He threatens to KILL Husk when he dares to mention that Alastor is working for someone more powerful than him

and now this.

Alastor freaking out because he almost died. Something almost killed him. He can fucking die. There is something more powerful than him out there. And it's not something he can ignore or brush off because it almost killed him.

Alastor hates the reminder that he's not as powerful as he tells people he is. He isn't indestructible, he isn't invincible. And he fucking hates that.

[diabloku]

An angel on one shoulder 😇

A devil on the other 😈

(sikes, they're both devils and they're talking shit)

[kuzakat]

Goddddd, the way Vox turned around and arched backwards into Val.... WHORE 🫵🏻 BOTTOM 🫵🏻🫵🏻🫵🏻

[z-1-wolfe]

happy pride :3 i offer religious trauma

[nouverx]

I cannot stop drawing Alastor help me

[parasocialbeef]

remember, your followers are more scared of you than you are of them.

[raspberry-rampage]

tfw you're the only one in the group not obsessed with some has-been

[crispyliza]

I've got you all figured out fanartists

[yyumehh]

where did this cat come from 💀

[nerdasaurus1200]

I love how as soon as Alastor said “proud” both Morningstars lost their shit in completely different ways

[mintaikk]

Enjoy Blake Roman shipping Huskerdust

[sunlit-mess]

stressed out