#heartstopper slander

[barbieslutshamesken]

hi. i feel like enough time has passed and i have separated myself from the fandom enough to make this statement. anyways here’s my super duper controversial statement.

nick and charlie are poorly written characters and they’re relationship is entirely too codependent. as a queer person (assigned male at birth) who has been interested in guys, i hate how they’re relationship is depicted. i really just have a huge issue with women writing men-loving-men relationships, i never think they do it right. and YES i am aware that alice oseman is queer/gender-queer but she is a femme-presenting/woman-aligned person who is also aroace. she has never lived that experience and i do not think that her telling of that experience is accurate. i think it’s extremely cishet-washed and honestly i feel like it’s pandering to straight people and people who are newly out, if that makes any sense. i personally feel that they’re story lacks nuance. it embodies the worst aspects of ya fiction.

firstly, my main issue i have is with charlie and how he is depicted as a queer man. i find issue with the way he is depicted; timid, awkward, clumsy, and in need of saving. i HATE that fucking trope. i hate that everyone’s idea of a gay couple is of this femboy, who was probably abused or bullied, being saved/rescued/“really-loved” by a larger, more masculine, jock.

i have personally gone through many of charlie’s experiences. i was r@ped/sa’d as a young person, i have struggled with anorexia, and i have and still do struggle with self-harm/cvtting. i have also stayed in a mental health facility! sounds familiar, right? that’s because all of that shit also happened to charlie spring. but we don’t get to see any of his healing process. we don’t see him in therapy. we don’t see his time in the hospital. all we see is how it affects nick and how nick gives him the strength to recover. blah blah blah gag me with a spoon.

anyways, having said all of this. i have read the entire updated comics, and i have seen the show. i plan on reading the final installment of the comics and watching the remainder of the series. i do think queer people need and fucking deserve more representation and more media depicting our normal domestic lives. there are so many shitty straight shows that are just pure fluff and entertainment and queer people fucking deserve that.

i also am extremely interested to see if/how alice incorporates darcy‘s actor kizzy edgall’s transmasculinity into darcy’s character. i would have a totally new respect for her to ACTUALLY WRITE a complicated subplot that is nuanced and depicts how queer people’s labels change and how their understanding of their gender and queerness grow with them. how does tara react? does she amicably break up with darcy to respect their identity? or does she come to the conclusion that, “fuck it. i love darcy. who cares if we aren’t technically in a lesbian/sapphic relationship. i am still valid.” THAT WOULD FUCKING ROCK

anyways best character is elle. hehehehehe.

sincerely,

an openly queer, semi-closeted transfeminine person. *equips sunglasses*

[skateisawesome]

i almost dont want michael holden to be in hstv because the whole world can perceive him. hes my lil baby hes not supposed to be judged. WHAT IF THEYRE MEAN TO HIM

[raspberry-arev]

Tao Xu has my heart this season, he's <3

I reccomend Heartstopper the show, although it is different than the comic, it is executed in such a vulnerable, but ultimately fun way??? nothing but respect for MY Osemanverse!

[rewrite-canon]

white authors who love to write about oppression they have never experienced themselves are dropping like FLEAS rn

[kurtkankle]

Me every time Ted Wheeler appears on my screen

[happyfeet3351]

“Why do you like Heartstopper? It’s so cringey!” I READ THE COMICS FIRST THATS WHY. I was able to get used to the cringe and just enjoy it for the wholesome gay show it is. I knew the cringe was coming and I was ready for it.

[air-bison-yip-yip]

Like sure Nick Nelson is amazing but Charlie??? You’re telling me you don’t want someone who would defy their nightmares to make sure you feel safe and loved and protected?

[greeen-bean]

No but she gets it

[d1gital-star]

I saw a post on Pinterest that said Boyfriends was better than Heartstopper and I thought it was satire but the caption said /srs

Anyways hows ur day :)

[panic-like-the-disaster-you-are]

what was your opinion on heartstopper vol 5? ive heard many mixed opinions lol

I loved it so muchhh, I loved seeing those two idiots and seeing them slightly grow together, seeing nick being passionate about something regarding his future, charlie dealing with his body image, tori and michael and their relationship dynamic, charlie being in a band omggg, honestly I can never ever hate anything about heartstopper

[mikey-way-enthusiast]

why is his name ben hope if his hope is gone by now

[cessababyy]

i will not stand for alice oseman or casey mcquiston slander.

[skateisawesome]

you ever just wanna hug charlie spring?

i just wanna hold him (not in a weird way i swear)

[bella-bo-fella]

MARAUDERS MODERN DAY LACROSSE AU??????

can someone pls make a wolfstar same team lacrosse au where remus has never played before (heartstopper vibes??) with rivals jegulus and same team rosekiller and rivaling team managers pandalily but they lowkey get along fic PLEASEPLEASEPLEASE

positions bc i want to

attack:

lions- sirius, fabian, dirk

snakes- dorcas*, kingsley, lucius

midi:

lions- james, frank, grant (im adding him because hes iconic and deserves the world there will be no grant slander in this house!)

snakes- barty, avery, rodolphus

defense:

lions- remus, gideon, ted

snakes- evan, regulus, mulciber

goalies:

lions- peter

snakes- snape

coaches

lions- mcgonagall

snakes- slughorn

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yes i know some of these ppl might not be in the correct houses or even the correct ages but idc in this au anything goes bc i was pulling names out of my ass to create two full teams

panda would come to all the games and be like the unofficial manager for the lions, same with lily for the lions.

and im trying to think of a way to sneak dorlene in there... ill rb this when i think of some way!!!

hmm who else

oh frank and alice are dating duh i love them sm

thats all i got for tonight tbh

i thought this all up while playing my lax match today, i fr was like shooting while thinking abt dead gay wizards from the 70s playing my sport in modern times lmfaoo if someone is actually interested in writing this pls lmk bc id love to read it <3

*(i headcanon her as amab in this au, and shes not out socially so she plays on the boys team)

bye bye

[magicalwastelands]

byler

byler is almost always paralleled to romantic couples and not paralleled to friendships. i was thinking about this the other day and turns out you guys voted for byler on the poll so HERE IT IS :)))

minor spoiler alert for: heartstopper, harry potter, stranger things

i'll be talking about how byler parallels to:

romantic pairings in stranger things

romantic pairings in other shows/movies (ive posted a more in-depth post about taoelle [romantic pairing in heartstopper] and byler being similar - if u want you can go check that out!!)

NOT friendships in stranger things (how it rarely parallels to other friendship pairings in the show compared to romantic ones)

romantic pairings in stranger things

jopper (joyce / hopper)

a. jopper has some scenes that parallel byler (this is just one example):

"I think we make a pretty good team." "I think it'll be easier if we're... we're a team."

b. also this music (you might know this already lol but this is just SO CRAZY LIKE WHAT DO YOU MEAN "oh, it's joyce and hopper" AND THE SAME SUBTITLES ARE SHOWN DURING SCENES WITH MIKE AND WILL???!? WHAT?????????????????????) [ website ]

[tender, emotional music swells] [tender, emotional music playing]

rockie (robin / vickie)

a. robin is the only confirmed gay character other than will and her crush on vickie is being shown as possibly reciprocated in the last ep of s4

[tender, emotional music playing] --- also another example of these subtitles

b. vickies relationship with her boyfriend is similar to mikes relationship with el (btw i loooove el im not saying shes similar to that guy, just talking about her relationship with mike and the love triangle imagery)

then theres these scenes of them being DIRECTLY positioned between established couples like.... these scenes are too crazy

2. romantic pairings in other shows/movies - this is strange because why would their dynamic be so similar to couples dynamics? if theyre just supposed to be friends???

harry potter - ron and hermione (I DO NOT SUPPORT JK R*WL*NG)

a. best friends to lovers trope / slowburn trope

in the final harry potter movie, ron and hermione have their first kiss. in the final season of stranger things, mike and w-

b. these scenes...

c. love triangles - ron thinks hermione likes harry over him (similar situation with will but mike and el are actually dating)

Heartstopper - nick and charlie

a. blue and yellow

b. this in the actual books - nick is the heart of the rugby team and mike is the heart of the party:

"You're the heart and centre of this team, Nick." "You're the heart."

c. bonus: i recently bought the heartstopper colouring book (its suuuper cute btw love it) and theres this???? is it giving paladin and cleric vibes???????

3. friendship pairings

lucas and dustin (im only gonna talk abt them for examples of friendship pairings)

a. season 1 - last ep, mike is super worried about will and immediately jumps up to see and hug him (he says that will is awake 3 times), while dustin and lucas are asleep

[snoring] "Guys. Guys, he's up. Will is up. Guys, Will's up."

also omg in this scene dustin calls her a "wizard" and then mike CORRECTS HIM SAYING SHES MORE LIKE YODA I CAN'T... CAUSE WILL IS THE WIZARD NOT EL..... ALSO BRO YODA??? THAT GIRL YOU KISSED AND ARE GOING TO DATE FOR LIKE A YEAR AND SAY YOU LOVE HER IS LIKE YODA???????

"She's basically a wizard." "More like a Yoda."

like bro... THIS UR GF???? LOVE OF YOUR LIFE???????????? YOUR LIFE STARTED BC OF HER?????? (feat. will being the wizard el can't replace in mikes head...)

b. different reactions to will's "body" being pulled out of the lake

lucas says that it must be will. mike doesn't accept the body being will's. (NOT LUCAS SLANDER DON'T WORRY I LOVE HIM)

shocked, has to lean on the truck to calm himself down, gets mad at el because she couldn't help him save will, is in tears, doesn't care about eleven in this moment because he's so sad that will is "dead"

(also sorry for the bad vid quality)

mike is obviously the most affected one by the "body" being found.

c. whenever something happens with will and mike, the others know they shouldn't interrupt, like this (lucas knows not to follow mike out):

and this (they're walking behind the others, having their own private conversation):

and also this (max doesn't get it but the others know mike and will want to be alone):

d. if mike, will, dustin and lucas are all just friends, and mike also said this to dustin (talking about lucas at first) ...

(Mike: He's not my best friend. [sighs] I mean, he is, but so are you. And so is Will.)

... then why is the relationship between mike and will so different and singled out to the relationship between ANY OTHER PAIRING BETWEEN THE FOUR if lucas, dustin and will are all supposed to be mike's best friends??

[olderthannetfic]

Antis ruin fandom's ability to have a conversation. I don't like Captive Prince but not because of the nonsense they yelled about it, but if I discussed it people would scroll on by, assuming it'd be some anti's unhinged and baseless complaints. I don't like Heartstopper but I think every anti who says it oversexualizes children needs therapy, Jesus, Buddha, or possibly all three and the antis who say if you don't like it you're a bigot who hates [insert rep here] need a hug, a blanket, a warm of mug of cocoa and condolences on whatever hurt them to make them this mad. I don't want to discuss it and end up with either of those kinds of people in my inbox. Any mention of Steven Universe turns into a hot mess of antis calling people Nazi supporters, transphobes and anti-black, and being Jewish, trans or black will not save you from that.

I really wish smaller, more moderated fandom spaces were a thing. I don't even need anyone to agree with my takes on anything, I just want to stop seeing people make things up about media they don't like, call things that are almost aggressively wholesome sexual or slander everyone who likes [insert thing here] as a transphobic anti-black Neo Nazi. A lot of Discord servers I'm in stop things when they escalate to threats, but still allow for jackasses going, "Uh, why would you bring up that, don't you know it's full of problematic things and supports X, Y and Z?"

My [redacted] in Christ, my homie in Hashem, my ami.e in Allah, sometimes fiction is not that important and I would like a break from the seriousness of real life to talk about imaginary shenanigans.

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