The "You have ruined me" Durgetash but with a twist.
Gortash ruined Durge for Bhaal, making them desire something over than death and destruction, making them want something (someone) for themselves. Making them lower their defences around him and inevitably providing Orin an opening to strike (I'm a firm believer Orin shifted into Gortash to get close to Durge).
And Durge ruined Gortash for Bane, making him...dare I say a little bit soft, making him wish to SHARE power and not hoard it all in his steely grasp. Making Gotrash seek an alliance, wanting an equal. Wanting the things for himself, things what contradict what Bane tells him he should seek or want.
In the end they both are worse by that, but in the unexpected way.
Neither Gortash nor Durge are what their gods want them to be. They're traitors, if merely in thoughts, of their goals, their paths, what they were meant to be.
In the end The Absolute plot falls because mortals do what they always do: act by their own will, compromising carefully constructed plan of the gods.
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I've seen the same post a hundred times now. Sometimes it's a few days old, sometimes it's from years ago, but it's always the same. Some anti posts about how they don't understand how anyone can like Snape because he was so awful, and then there's a long reply that goes something like, "imagine this happens to you, and then this, and then this" to describe Snape's experience. Sometimes there's some James Potter hate thrown in.
Look. You can go through describing a character's entire experience but you don't really need to. Here's the thing that antis don't understand:
For all her faults (and they're big, bigoted ones) Rowling understood a really integral part of the human experience and conveyed it through Snape. Everyone needs love and to feel accepted. It's that simple. Snape became a Death Eater to seek acceptance (Rowling has confirmed this, though I can't remember the source - whoever wants to add it please do), because it was the only way he could find any.
Snape's understanding of morality, like everyone's, is subjective. Some readers understand this and some don't. When faced against a morality that says there is good and bad in the world, everyone makes choices based on their personal experience. Context is everything. Someone who experiences pain and suffering will not see the person inflicting it on them as moral. That's it. 'How can this person be good when they caused me so much suffering?' = human psychology. Most of the people who think 'I'm a bad person and deserve this' have been gaslit and abused into thinking so, because it's not a natural reaction - it's one that has to often be socialized into someone at a young age, exactly because it's not natural. Everyone is the hero of their own story; no one sees themselves as a villain, because they see the valid aspects of their own perspective.
You can write essays on how vulnerable people needing acceptance is what cults and fascists exploit to recruit vulnerable people, or on how the standard anti's un-nuanced reading of Snape both ignores canon and displays a disturbing lack of empathy or compassion, but at its core it just boils down to context. From Snape's perspective he experienced cruelty, therefore the people inflicting it must be cruel. Again, it's that simple. He was a person, like any other, except he was fictional so he wasn't even real. On the flip side is James Potter, who, for all his faults, didn't get to live long enough to get a chance to change and grow unlike Snape, and I think the Snapedom also needs to acknowledge that.
They're fictional characters representing things an author wants to say, not sports teams, not martyrs, and not all good or all bad emblems that define your identity depending on how you feel about them. It's depressing how much time is wasted arguing with bullies and trolls whether from the Marauders fandom or just random antis. I literally can't find more than three blogs to follow without this argument coming across my feed daily. I know the Snapedom is Not OK™ and that's kind why we're all here, and I know that my take is super unpopular but like Snape, I don't care what others think: this fandom has been having the exact same argument for years and nothing has changed. There's fanart and meta and fic and so much content out there appreciating this character, you're not going to change an anti's mind who's deliberately trolling in the tags, so why are you trying? What are you getting out of it? What does it give you? It's exhausting just scrolling past it.
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@zeroabyss replied to your post “@zeroabyss replied to your post “You're not wrong...”:
I definitely say a father telling him he has to do it all on his own and that he can’t even rely on his friends or even their fellow nations, definitely pushed Lyon to take the path that he did. No one can handle something on their own, and so Lyon was tempted to use the one power their texts said had the power to avert disaster.
You can see how this issue was more than likely a flaw when Lyon talks about him to the twins. About how his father took on the burdens all on his throne and barely, if ever rested. The man shouldered everything that it likely played into his worsening health and death, and his final words being to tell Lyon he can’t rely on help from others concerning a natural disaster and that the other countries would leave any Grado refugees to die at the border to protect themselves
Vigarde pushing all of the country's hopes and aspirations on his unprepared son was his mistake, sure, but...
Between Vigarde telling him to deal with Grado's fate alone because relying on Renais is impossible, and Vigarde/Father Mc Gregor/The World telling him not to free Satan to use his powers because Satan nearly destroyed the continent centuries ago, if Lyon had to pick one command to disobey, I suppose he could have picked the "I'm still going to ask for Renais' help" instead of "I'm going to use Fomortiis' powers".
Vigarde might have steered him in the wrong direction - Lyon already playing with Fomortiis' powers (to save a child! and then to predict tempests and save more lives!) was his own thing.
It's SS in a nutshell, good intentions alone cannot justify the worst means used to satisfy/reach them.
Lyon lamented and complained about his perceived weakness, feeling he would never compare to the twins nor would be the kind of ruler Grado will need to save itself... so he doomed Magvel, wanting to be the strong and kind person he wished to be.
I think this is the flashback where it's more or less spelled out :
Lyon:
“Mm… My research isn’t complete yet, but there’s no mistaking the power the Sacred Stones contain. And the Stone of Grado seems especially responsive to my dark magic. I suppose it’s because it contains both sacred and demonic properties. Regardless, if I can just press my studies a little harder… Well, I think I might be able to use it to heal my father’s illness. If that works, there’s no telling how many other people I can help as well.”
Eirika:
“Do you think this is wise? The power contained within the stones is beyond our understanding… My father tells me that the stones possess a power not to be trifled with.”
Lyon:
“Uh-huh… Father MacGregor is also against it. That’s why they still won’t give me direct access to the Stone of Grado. For the time being, I’ve made do with the radiant energies surrounding it. They’re nothing compared to the raw power of the stone itself, but… If I can show Father MacGregor some real progress, perhaps one day…”
(...)
Lyon:
“Thanks, both of you. Hearing those words from you means a lot to me. Actually–and this hasn’t been made public yet–but… I’ve already saved someone using the knowledge I’ve gleaned so far.”
Ephraim:
“You have?”
Lyon:
“Uh-huh… A while back, a fire ravaged Serafew, and a little girl got trapped in the flames. Her burns were terrible: not even healing staves were able to cure her injuries. But just a sliver of the stone’s power restored her life and healed her wounds. We saved that girl’s life, Ephraim! Oh, if you could have seen the tears of joy in her mother’s eyes!
Fado, Ismaire and I'm pretty sure Vigarde himself know it's not wise to triffle/use the SS powers... Father MacGregor is also against it, as the resident "holy man" around - and his words are important, since the Church of Magvel was founded after Latona, who fell herself (but managed to fend him off for some reason ???) to Fomortiis' possession! - but Lyon's reply is... Mockery? Or disinterest?
Father Mac Gregor wanted to prevent him from continuing on this path, and forbade him access to the Stone! But Lyon didn't care and still used what was... available, when he also knows the power he is using has demonic properties, and a will of its own!
Lyon's reasoning isn't "Father Mac Gregor is right maybe I should try to consider that I cannot "use" Fomortiis" but something like "maybe he doesn't believe me when I tell him this power can be used for good! I just have to continue working on it!" completely missing the point...
Or is he?
Sure, Lyon saved the Serafew child... but this hadn't made been public as of yet (2 years before the start of the game), like was this not enough to convince Father Mac Gregor that he could use those powers to do right and good things? Or Lyon himself realised he... "saved" someone who was already dead?
This flashback is even more interesting because we have this, the twins' failure :
Ephraim:
“Using the Sacred Stones to study magic…”
Lyon:
“Ephraim, Eirika, what do you two think? Using the divine power of the Sacred Stones in this way… You don’t think it’s a very good idea, do you?”
Ephraim:
“…It’s just that I know nothing at all of magic. I would that there were some way I could help you, but I simply can’t. But, Lyon, I’ve seen how hard you’ve worked to help others. I know how much you want the power to make others happy. I know these things, and because I know you, I trust your intentions.”
Lyon:
“Ephraim…”
Ephraim:
“If you hope to use the power of the Sacred Stone for good, I trust you can. I’m behind you all the way.”
Eirika:
“I agree with Ephraim entirely. You spend every night in the library, studying cures for your father’s illness. The power of the Sacred Stones is too powerful to be used for personal gain. But you, Lyon… I think you’ll be fine. You’re the kindest person I know.”
It's a double failure on their part, firstly because they give empty reassurances to Lyon claiming to know him, how he wants to use this power because he has the right intentions, or how it's totally not used for his personal gains...
When part of Lyon's desire for power was to help people, sure, but also, to be worth someone in Ephraim and Eirika's eyes!
Secondly...
No, the power of the SS (especially the one housing Fomortiis!) cannot and should not be used, even for "good" or with "good intentions". There are lines that shouldn't be crossed, even if it means not being able to save people/not reach your dreams.
The Epilogue in Eirika's route is very explicit :
Eirika:
“That would be nice… But first we must seal this away… This stone banished the Demon King. With such power… Do you suppose we could bring back Father and Lyon… That everyone who died in this dreadful war could be–“
Ephraim:
“Eirika.”
Eirika:
“I know, I know. Such things would be– I cannot wish for such things. No matter how it hurts, or rather because it hurts, we must learn to accept sorrow. We must take it into our hearts and tame our grief…”
Ephraim:
“Eirika… Tell me, Sister… If Lyon were here with us, what do you think he would want?”
Eirika:
“What he would want?”
Ephraim:
“Yes. You see, I think I know. It was the reason for his studies. It’s why he wanted to know about the Sacred Stones–or rather the Fire Emblem. Let’s take Lyon’s dreams and fulfill them in his stead. We can do that, can’t we? Without relying on any mystic power?”
Eirika:
“You’re right, Brother, we can. Let us fulfill his dreams. As Lyon wanted, as we all want… So we may live in peace and joy.”
Sure this epilogue sort of sucks because Eirika has to be explained things by Eph out of anyone (when we know how he takes the news in his route!), but the point still stands, tempted with the power to achieve the impossible... the heroes refuse and accept to move forward and fulfill their dreams (make the impossible possible?) without relying on mystic powers, especially if it comes from Fomortiis himself!
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Hey, y'all, this is just your friendly reminder that other people on the Internet are, in fact, people.
We are not just faceless usernames or silly little profile pictures; we are human beings with human emotions and human lives outside of the internet sphere. We all have problems and issues that are never shared in our online lives. We all have things we are coping and dealing with. We all have complex emotions and complicated relationships and situations with others that we're struggling with.
The person you're about to send anonymous hate or say mean things to is still a person, just as you are yourself. The words you say may have a lasting impact on this person, so before you call them a mean name or try tearing them down, please take a moment to consider if it's actually that big of a deal, if it's actually that worth it to you to potentially leave a lasting - and very negative - impact on another person's life due to whatever situation happened online.
As a reminder, you know nothing of this person, aside from the things you've been told, either by the person themselves or by others. You most likely will never meet them in-person and get the opportunity to look them in the eyes as you speak to them. Would you look them in the eyes and say the same words you are about to share? Because it's so easy to see a cute little crow profile picture or a silly little drawing and dehumanize that person in your mind, associating the picture with the name and subconsciously believing that they are not a human being with emotions, such as yourself. It's so incredibly easy for us to do that, but frankly, it's not right. That profile picture still has a human being sitting behind it at the computer or on their phone. There is a real person behind that account.
Let's all be a little nicer to each other in online spaces, please, and stop attacking each other so viciously. We are not starving jackals, tearing and ripping into each other ruthlessly for any sort of scrap of meat we can find, so let's stop acting like them and treat each other more humanely.
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Strong Jack Truthing as an Essay
I would just like everyone to know I am a strong Jack truther. Why? Because it’s funny, and it’s fact.
Shockingly, warning for some spoilers.
Jack can canonically carry the animatronics with relative ease.
Well, he could just be using a dolly you say, or something of the sort. No. Jack actually has a tendency to leave through windows meaning whether he is or isn’t using one at some point in the process he isn’t either before or after he gets to the window as he’d have to lift it up onto the dolly outside, or take it off of it and drag it to his car.
Regardless of if Jack is or isn’t using something to make the process of hauling animatronics easier, Jack very much can carry the animatronics at LEAST for short periods of time.
This is especially impressive with the fact that his body is decaying and thus becoming weaker over time, meaning in his prime this man could possibly lift a fucking bus. However I do not believe this to be the case. I don’t think Jack could have done this while he was alive, rather I think Jack’s unusual strength is actually a result of Fredbear, as it’s not exactly a off the table for abilities he could give Jack given that he can easily make him immortal.
Speaking of Fredbear, that brings me into the point of Jack not having trouble basically just punching out animatronics. Possibly the flipside animatronics can be discounted as not being true animatronics, although I do believe they have the properties of them. However, in DSaF 2s “An Ending” Jack beats the real Fredbear himself, who is a deity of childhood as well as an animatronic.
In DSAF 3s bad ending, Jack also rips Dave limb from limb, definitely not the first insane feat of strength he has shown but the one the fans noticed and asked Doggo about, Doggo saying his heightened strength in that scene came from being springlocked. While I think that is partially the case, I think a lot of it also had to do with Jack being genuinely the strongest character in DSAF.
By this logic Dave is also pretty strong too, given that he can throw Foxy into the Grand Canyon. This actually makes quite a bit of strength with them BOTH being rather strong.
Now, why does this matter? Unlike Dave’s species, Dave and Jack’s relationship and me hopefully wrongfully theorizing that Henry is a frog, this has no effect on the lore. So why did I write an essay on it?
Because I want everyone to know this.I want everyone to know when they see fanart of Jack carrying Dave bridal style, it’s genuinely probably something he can do. The Jack carrying Dave bridal style images are fucking CANON. STRONG JACK IS REAL. HE’S RIDICULOUSLY STRONG. JACK CAN THROW THE PINK BITCH OUT THE WINDOW. JACK CAN CARRY HIS PROBABLY BOYFRIEND IN HIS ARMS. JACK WOULD WIN ANY FUCKING FISTFIGHT.
So now, from now on, all who look at the Jack carrying Dave bridal style drawings and know within themselves that he actually could because I garentee Dave weighs less than any of the fucking animatronics Jack has carried or beaten up with his bare hands.
In conclusion. Jack is strong, Jack carry ourple, strong Jack truthers were right the whole time, and this post is over. GOODBYE!
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