Me every time I see an ad for that movie with M*l G*bs*n and J*m C*vi*z*l
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You know what's interesting to me? For all people keep claiming at every juncture that perhaps Bells Hells will come around on the gods and see the harm they do (which, as discussed extensively, is, half the time, simply not intervening) not only have they never done so, but also they never quite cross the line into saying the party should join the Ruby Vanguard or aid them - and indeed, they defend against it - so what does this achieve? It feels like they're asking for a story in which the party stands idly by, which isn't much of a story nor, if I may connect this briefly to the real world, a political stance anyone should be proud of.
That's honestly the frustration with the gods and the "what if the Vanguard has a point" conversations in-game. What do we do then? Do we allow the organization that will murder anyone for pretty much any reason that loosely ties into their goals run rampant? The group that (perhaps unwittingly, but then again, Otohan's blades had that poison) disrupted magic world-wide, and caused people who had the misfortune to live at nexus points to be teleported (most, as commoners, without means of return). While also fomenting worldwide unrest?
Those were the arguments before the trip to Ruidus; with the reveal of the Vanguard's goals to invade Exandria, the situation becomes even more dire. Do you let the Imperium take over the planet?
And do the arguments against the gods even hold up? If Ludinus is so angry at them for the Calamity, what does it say that he destroyed Western Wildemount's first post-Calamity society for entirely selfish means? (What does it say about the validity of vengeance as a motivator?) What does it say that Laudna told Imogen she could always just live in a cottage quietly without issue before the solstice even happened? (Would this still be true if the Imperium controls the world?) What does it say that when faced with a furious, grieving party and the daughter she keeps telling herself was her reason for all of this, Liliana can't provide an answer to the question of what the gods have done other than that their followers will retaliate...for, you know, the Vanguard's endless list of murders. (That is how the Vanguard and Imperium tend to think, huh? "How dare your face get in the way of my boot; how dare you hit me back when I strike you.") She can't even provide a positive answer - why is Predathos better - other than "I feel it", even though Imogen and Fearne know firsthand that Predathos can provide artificial feelings of elation. Given all the harm Ludinus has done in pursuit, why isn't the conclusion "the gods should have crashed Aeor in such a way that the tech was unrecoverable?"
Even as early as the first real discussion on what the party should do, the fandom always stopped short of saying "no, Imogen's right, they should join up with the people who killed half the party," it was always "no, she didn't really mean it, she just was trying to connect with her mother." Well, she's connected with her mother, and at this point the party doesn't even care about the gods particularly (their only divinely-connected party member having died to prevent the Vanguard from killing all of them). So they will stop the Vanguard; as Ashton says, the means are unforgiveable. As Laudna says, it's not safe to bet on Predathos's apathy. As Imogen says, she's done running; the voice that she used to think of as a lifeline belongs to someone she doesn't trust. So I guess my question is: if they're stopping the people who are trying to kill the gods (and defense of the gods isn't remotely their personal motivation)...do you think the next phase of the campaign is Bells Hells personally killing the gods? Reconstructing the Aeor tech and hoping none of their allies notice? How does this end? Does your ideology ever get enacted? Or is this entirely moot and pointless and the story ends with Bells Hells saying "well, I'm really glad we stopped the people who [insert list of Vanguard atrocities from above]; none of us follow the gods or plan to, but honestly, the status quo we return to is preferable to whatever nightmare Ludinus had concocted in his violent quest for power and revenge"?
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can I just say something. I think we've warped the idea of consent and self care so far that they've come to mean you never have to do anything that makes you been a tad uncomfortable to benefit anyone else (or yourself but that's another discussion). sometimes you have to take a shift at the community kitchen when no one else can even if you're a bit tired. sometimes you have to step in to help a friend in need even though you have an exam the next day. sometimes you have to be there for someone even if you find them a bit distasteful or boring. sometimes you have to find time or energy to protest for a cause even if you don't have so much. when you're in a community you don't just get to 'protect your peace' and 'focus on you' all the time.
I'm not saying you have to martyr yourself for a cause, I'm not saying you have to burn yourself out or force yourself through things you categorically can't do, I'm not saying everything is on you, but I'm saying sometimes (often) following your own ethical code requires pushing through a bit of hardship and being rewarded by the joy of knowing you're doing what's right and that you are a person who knows what they believe and acts on it.
seeing this debate on whether it's ok to block the tags that palestinians fundraise via is making me feel so sick. seeing all these pathetic wetwipes saying they had to block the tags because witnessing even a fraction of these people's pain makes them feel sad and hopeless is disgusting. sometimes you have to stand the fuck up and do whats right even if it's a little bit hard or a little bit upsetting. if you can't reblog a goddamn fundraiser or act on a request in an ask from people living through a goddamn fucking genocide I don't even want to think about the ways you'd let me down if we were in a community together.
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Oliver got so much hate for not wanting Laurel to take on Sara’s mantle and join his team. I always felt it was unfair and rubbed me the wrong way.
I really wish people would try to look at his perspective from time to time. He was under the firm impression that the life he choose, as a vigilante, would eventually lead to his death, just like it had led to Sara’s death. So why would he want Laurel to join that same bleak fate?
He even told Quentin: „I didn’t want anyone to be involved in this.“ Because he didn’t want anyone he cared about to share what he felt was his inevitable fate, which is an early, probably very painful death.
Plus also, I imagine having Laurel step into her sister’s footsteps and trying to be like her might have been like pouring salt into an open wound. She was a constant reminder of Sara’s death and in Oliver’s eyes his failure to save her. Even if there was nothing he could’ve done to prevent her from being killed, he’d still feel responsible for it. I can’t even imagine what it must have felt like to him. Having Laurel sort of parade around in Sara’s clothes, taking credit for her accomplishments and acting as if she were Sara.
It’s actually kinda ironic now that I think about it. Laurel accused Sara of stealing her whole life… flash-forward less than a year and Laurel pretty much stole Sara’s whole life. Wow, the hypocrisy in this show is mind-blowing, and the fandom just going along with it and not realizing how hypocritical they are with some of their claims… sorry, got a little off track here, but I just thought it was important to mention.
Oliver also knew, the last thing Sara would’ve wanted was for Laurel to put on her mask. Sara would’ve never wanted her sister to follow her into the darkness and Oliver knew that. Given the fact that she told him shortly before she was killed that they needed people in their lives that didn’t wear masks.
I could go on forever, honestly, I just feel really strongly about this. And anything really when I feel Oliver had been done wrong and people just hate on him without ever considering his point of view. Even more so if people in the same breath also do Sara wrong.
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byan pointing at the menace of a cat that lives in their apartment who shreds all their belongings, who launches out at them from under furniture to claw at their feet, who seems to intentionally step in front of them so they trip over her, who hogs all their boyfriend's attention, who seems to exist just to spite them even though they were the one who rescued her, and calling her an unhinged and feral beast while failing to realize that this is basically what it was like for people who allowed them into their homes is endlessly funny to me
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The urge to not give Dipper the same treatment Mabel haters give her during my binge because unlike them, I actually like him and cherish him and recognize he's a twelve-year-old child who's very much acting like a twelve-year-old child...
...versus the urge to do it anyway because wow, he has SO MANY jerky moments in season one, and Summerween is definitely up there in terms of jerky moments.
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... pressing reblog and for some reason got errors saying it didn't work... you deleted it at exactly that moment I guess 😭
I haven't deleted it just yet, it's here
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