#iy discourse

[mmyashas]

Imagine having to clock in to the dsmp & get paid with feastables money ohhh im going insane

[averysherwood]

And I'll say it anyway, romantic and sexual relationship between two people who were raised together by the same person whom they called father/mother is fucked up and incestious, even if they don't call themselves brothers/sisters

Hoyo have several implied mlm and wlw ships, and kaeluc isn't one of them. If hoyo wanted them to be read as a romantic couple, they would add more signs as they did with kavehtham, renheng, xingyun, aventio and ect. And they wouldn't need to make them brothers. Chinese government didn't shut hsr and genshin up because their implied gay men aren't brothers, so if hoyo wanted to make kaeluc implied couple as well, they could and would do it without incest.

If Nate wanted to make Catradora canon from the start, he didn't have to give them favourite child x scrapegoat dynamic with Shadow Weaver. There were many ways to add rivalry and envy in the ship without making them look like sisters. I don't say that Nate is into incest (even though catradora isn't the only incestious moment in shera 2018), he might just be unaware of how it would look.

And as for "it's due to censorship!!"...

Glimmer and Adora's friendship looked suspesious as fuck, wlw and mlm couple existed there since season 1, and you know, spop wasn't immediately canceled because of that. Nate could make Adora and Catra purely friends at the beginning as he did with Adora and Glimmer, without any sibling-like moments. But he didn't. And everyone have rights to criticize this.

I want to see good representation. I know that now we don't have much. That's why I think that it is important to point out flaws in already existing couples. Bad straight couple will be forgotten quickly, while bad wlw/mlm couple will be representative for the whole community for a long time. Tumblr posts won't change much, but it will at least did more than just eating all shit just because it's queer. If everybody seems to be happy, nothing will change.

[fappellmoan]

pretty odd to me that to some circles on here, that fortunately i dont find myself anywhere near but still feel the need to complain about, r like genuinely up in arms about people enjoying cannibalism/body horror/blood/etc in fiction but not in real life. like theyre treating it like a Poser situation. my sincerest apologies for not genuinely wanting to dissect my hypothetical girlfriend and eat her heart and collect her bones and fuck her body or some shit… doesnt mean my enjoyment for weird little fucked up stories is insincere or that i cant comprehend it lol and sorry if i sound like your “”oppressors”” but you do realize it’s weird to feel possessive over cannibalism right. like uhm do what u gotta do consensually guy but u dont own the rights to fictional cannibalism just cause youd apparently rlly get off to eating a body like. i dont like seeing real people suffering and gory and in pain so clearly i couldnt possibly understand the appeal of this in fiction. kys what who said that i literally dont care enough to say that its just like. really really weird.

[aqours]

Hey just wanted to let you know that every single Yashahime post you’ve made is a banger. I’m glad to have found someone who is pretty chill regarding Inuyasha/Yashahime on tumblr.com because, though I’ve tried, this place is honestly a dumpster fire. Keep doing what you’re doing ❤️

AWWWWWWWWWWW TYYYYYYYYYYYY

yeah the fandom was uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh IT WAS A MESS

it's quiet now... but god, you couldn't pay me enough to relive all that... yashahime-confessions, billy, the cult (on the twitter side of things), SRIC, holy shit

now that it's recovered you can! actually see some of my older posts over at @meidozangetsuha, but it's probalby not going to be used much: now that i'm only kinda casually into IY/YH instead of it being my main thing there's not enough discourse that warrants me staying dedicated to a sideblog but there's more posts from me there!

it's been a WILD ride... i'm really glad you enjoyed my stuff <3

[bakugouisabitch]

it’s fucking sad how this sequel is making us all talk and wonder and calculate and HOPE that a CHILD is NOT the mother of the protagonists instead of like,, who survived????? who inherited what power?? why does this strange event happen?? where is Jaken?????

[boycottyashahime]

Alright, so I’m bad at Tumblr, and though I wanted to just reblog the original post from @strawberrycreampiefluff and put most of it under a cut or perhaps find a way to trim it, I couldn’t find a way to make it work. So, we’re starting a new thread. Here’s the link the other one if anyone reading hasn’t been following the discussion and want to catch up: https://strawberrycreampiefluff.tumblr.com/post/625063196626223104/what-do-you-think-of-this-whole-ppl-shipping

Anyhow, since we discussed this beforehand, I’ll start from the beginning, only working with the storytelling elements from the series, and I’ll leave out the latter part of the post regarding moralizing (which I mostly agree with anyway, so it’s no loss to me).

“I  was trying to convey that considering the methods of storywriting and telling,  it would break the “pattern” Rumiko Takashi built up and lowering the  impact of Sessh character growth he would later experience.  A father-daughter bond is not inferior to a romantic bond, but it  would seem out of place, to have both his father and brother form a  romantic relationship with a human and then Sessh breaking that pattern  by introducing a new kind of relationship-dynamic - when he is the most  crucial character in the series when it comes to demon-human relations.”

I’m still quite unclear HOW the impact of Sesshomaru’s character growth is necessarily lowered from not having a romantic bond with a human. Why is the continuation of this pattern so important, in your view, to the character’s development? From my perspective, introducing a new relationship dynamic into and breaking patterns is actually a good thing in stories - It’s a great way to add variety and a different point of view to a narrative. Having characters take a pattern in a different, unique direction can add meaning in a way the reader couldn’t see coming, give the story unexpected dimension.

And you’ve already said that you and other shippers like yourself don’t see anything romantic while Rin is still a child in the original series, so that is effectively what happened. Since we agree that the relationship wasn’t actually romantic within the context of the original Inuyasha series, Sesshomaru took a love of a human in an entirely different direction than his father or his brother did. Which conveys complexity in how youkai can relate to humans that wasn’t in the established pattern. As a reader, I find that kind of thing fun and engaging, though you may disagree.

“A father-daughter relationship would still put Sessh in a superior position to Rin (as the father), not adding a lot to his character development other than him caring for one other human being.”

I have to wince here, because while yes, technically Sesshomaru is in a superior position to Rin in a father-daughter relationship, the implication here is that this can be compared to the sense of superiority he had over humans as a whole that you referenced earlier. Is a parent-child relationship really comparable to a racist outlook? I feel like these two things are quite unrelated, having two ENTIRELY different connotations from the word “superior”. One is an entirely natural superior position, using one’s greater experience, knowledge, and ability to facilitate the growth and guidance of someone still on their way up. The other is a wholly unnatural and malicious disregard for a person based on superficial features. Sesshomaru’s superior attitude toward humans before he met Rin was not based on a paternalistic concern, but complete disgust and the notion that they were entirely unworthy of consideration. The two connotations of “superior” here are just not analogous in the greater narrative.

“In a romantic relationship, both partners should be equals (anything  other is unacceptable), for this to happen Sessh would’ve had to lower himself  (his pride) to Rins level, since he was the one with the big ego and  humans were regarded as one of the lower creatures of the food chain.”

Again, I think it is entirely possible for Sesshomaru to learn not to regard humans as “lower on the food chain” through a relationship that ISN’T romance, but that aside, this whole notion brings up a question: why didn’t Rumiko Takahashi write Rin into the story as a young adult? We’ve already discussed how romantic implications to the relationship couldn’t exist while she’s still a child in the series, and why Sesshomaru and Rin are definitely NOT equal during the series. So if it was so important for Sesshomaru to be otherwise equal to Rin so he can lower his pride and truly consider her such, why was Rin not written as a fully autonomous adult so we could cut to the chase? It seems that if what you’re describing was really Rumiko Takahashi’s intent, it would have been a lot easier if the girl was already grown up. At the very least, our dear author could have ended the series when Rin was an appropriate age to actually make the point instead of leaving it hanging.

“Doing the exact same thing he criticized his father for, which  for him would’ve been humiliating in the beginning of the series. The  sequel (if you regard it as canon) goes even farther, making him create  his own half demons - the very reason he hated his brother in the first  place. His mother even said he becomes like his father in the strangest  ways - and the only “strange” thing we know about his father was his  romantic relationship with Izayoi.”

Since English isn’t your first language, I’m guessing you’re just mistaken in the map of this sentence, but the word “strange” here is referring to Sesshomaru’s behavior in relation to his father’s. What is strange is how Sesshomaru is like his father, not his father’s ways. This actually makes the opposite point - it seems to refer to the ways in which Sesshomaru is behaving as odd, maybe in relation to a pattern his father fit into.

“That’s why I think it wouldn’t fall apart if we draw the parallel in a wider context as you say, because other characters didn’t have the same starting point  as Sessh. I very much agree with you, that Inuyasha’s platonic bonds  would also count as a dog forming close bonds with humans, but in  Inuyasha’s or Shippou’s case, they didn’t need the same character  development like Sessh, since they had a different attitude towards  humans or “lesser-beings” in the first place (Inuyasha was even past the  stage of lowering himself, also out of romantic reasons btw, since he  was ready to become human for Kikyo).”

I’m curious as to how the parallel and pattern matter if it’s null and void because Inuyasha and the other characters we talked about have different character arcs. Of course they aren’t starting from the same place as Sesshomaru, characters never do. They’re varied and diverse because it would be boring as tar to write them all going through the same issues. My point about the parallel was that even if it could be said that there’s some similarity in how dog YOUKAI form bonds with humans to actual DOGS, it’s not really a good parallel, because there are other “species” of youkai much less friendly with humans doing it too. I’m having trouble understanding what this argument has to do with that.

In reference to the above, I agree, the example characters you cited didn’t have the same level of dismissive racism as Sesshomaru did (I say “same level” because Shippou does carry a bit of prejudice, even as a small child), but when that’s apparent, why is the pattern even relevant? Since the characters aren’t set to all learn the same lesson, their relationships shouldn’t really resemble each other’s in the long run either, should they? Writers use relationships as tools for character development, and they usually want to use the right tool for the right job. Maybe romantic love with a human was right for Inuyasha because he had issues with vulnerability and reconciling his half-heritage. What if SESSHOMARU benefited more as a character from an unconditional bond (free from the conditions of sexual/romantic attraction) to demonstrate to him how even the weakest creature is incomprehensibly valuable for reasons impossible to articulate, and they are worth using his incredible level of “superior” power to protect and defend them? It’s a different kind of humbling oneself than what you were talking about, but I think it’s just as meaningful, and it fits Sesshomaru���s character development neatly into the the original text. It doesn’t require Sunrise make a sequel more than a decade later to wrap up the character development that Rumiko Takahashi meant to do when Rin grew up even though she could have just written her in as an adult in the first place.

“But Rin will obviously not always stay 8/11 years old, she will grow  into her own person and become a woman (while living apart from Sessh),  creating a completely different power dynamic with Sessh. One that would  still be an imbalance, but much different than when she was a child.”

As far as the narrative was concerned, Rin COULD very well have stayed a child forever, though. She was written as a character in a story. When the story is done, so are the characters. You’ve said before and here that Inuyasha is just fiction, and it is, but accepting that means accepting that Rin doesn’t grow up without some prompting. She doesn’t age but through the hand of a creator, fanfiction authors or Sunrise. When you say she’s not going to stay 8-11 forever, what you mean is that actual humans who experience actual time are not satisfied with her age as it stood when the story ended, and actively impose time upon her.

And since applying time to a fictional character is something that has to be intentional, so too do the conditions you mention to create the perfect environment for the ship. The different dynamic that isn’t father-daughter, but still a little bit of not-weird power imbalance. The “lowering” of Sesshomaru’s ego in that specific romantic way (that I’m still not sure I understand, but we’ll go with it). The way in which the romance is developed without either character realizing it so that Sesshomaru can’t be accused of using the power imbalance to manipulate a girl he’s had authority over since she was eight. Returning to what catalyzed the change in Sesshomaru in the first place while carefully treading around the fact that it was built upon an unconditional relationship that now suddenly has conditions on it. That’s a lot of mental legwork to do, which is fine, because that’s part of creative expression. But you have to acknowledge that none of this would be necessary if the pairing were “obvious”.

It certainly wasn’t very obvious to some of us. We came to a very different conclusion, saw everything a bit differently. Now we’re being punished for having a less popular interpretation of this relationship, shut down by SUNRISE and told that we don’t get to have that interpretation, because they’re considered an authority on what is canon in Inuyasha, and they’re taking sides to squeeze more money out of the Inuyasha franchise with a next-gen sequel. It doesn’t seem to matter that Sunrise was never really very good at telling Inuyasha stories, or that next-gen sequels never seem to be any good for lack of stakes and boring plots.

Sunrise’s interpretation is still considered to be more “valid” than ours. And that really hurts. So, if you found yourself wondering why there’s so much vitriol coming from the anti camp, it’s a combination of this, and the fact that they don’t really have the option of avoiding the content they don’t like anymore. It’s kind of EVERYWHERE now.

So, there we are. I don’t want to give the impression from the above that I’m trying to tear apart your arguments to somehow discredit the pairing. Shippers gonna ship, whether it makes sense to me or not. But I did want to highlight how any of the things you bring up can very well be interpreted entirely differently.

Hope you’re doing well, and you did well on that exam. :)

[kingjasnah]

Kelsier once fucked Johnny Knoxville from jackass

yeah alright ill post that

[prcserpina]

some of y’all are rly out here saying “but i’m a woman and i’m not afraid to walk alone at night!” right now when a woman, one amongst many, has lost her life at the hands of a man because she was simply trying to walk home. have the respect to sit quietly, it is not about you rn it is about her and her family’s grief

[trans-siberian-marching-band]

i wish yall were this passionate about making pride accessible

[melancholycatastrophe]

"haha tommy is a lesbian"

"you can't make that kind of joke about lesbians, its incredibly offensive and not your joke to make"

"i am a lesbian"

[bakugouisabitch]

LMAO they are literally calling you out for “harassing/misleading people” and then proceed to do the same thing...

I guess they are the ones getting famous for being stupid instead 🤭

this user ( @sesskaguu ) , has sought to demean young women who enjoy aspects of media she does not. even going as far as to pose as a mental health professional on multiple occasions when she in fact is not. she is misleading her followers and preventing tumblr from being a safe space for young women. this is targeted hate speech towards csa survivors. Even her background picture on tumblr says something about killing sessrin shippers. @sesskaguu please go ahead and block me like the others. But my eyes are everywhere. Even if not I will not stop ✋🏼 I will make you famous in a negative way everywhere. So Please repost me because in the you show everyone how disrespectful you are. Everyone will see your face. I will make sure that this was your last post. Your parents must be proud of you to have a daughter like you. I bet your name is Karen. I bet your whole family is a Karen. Making fun of others at this topic isn’t normal. I hope one day you will see a therapist , but even he will kick you out.

You will end like the following pictures. Bye

[sackof-stims]

Local Homosexual Forgets He's Gay And Is In Fact Allowed A Say In The M-Spec Lesbian/Gay Debate

[sparkles-and-trash]

seriously, giving the mha fandom and anime a chance was the best idea ever, the joy of finally having a fandom for something I’ve been enjoying in private for so long is unmatched, and I’ve managed to stay in the chill multishipping corner of it so far, and I enjoy sooo many ships and dynamics I feel like there’s just fics and art to last me for years to come and ahhh -

[bakugouisabitch]

I’ve been staying away from that show because I’ve been so nervous but oh no, they really went there?

I was once torn but now it’s clear. 1# best friends with Naraku.

I am a wreck rn but yea they really went there.... i have stopped watching the show since like episode 5 but i still kinda followed what was going on.....

And yes. In this house we support Naraku only now. He was right and he should have killed them all when he had the chance . at least that abomination would have never happened...

[bakugouisabitch]

AAAA GIRL GIIIRL!!!! YOU ROASTED THEMM!! YOU ABSOLUTELY DESTROYED THEM!!!!! YOU GO SIS!!!!

imagine being this disconnected with reality

I was just pointing out how yall see a pic of child rin and sesshomaru and tag it as sessrin, ya know, like the header from the person I rebloged first ;)

@/ssehrrin bitch blocked me lmaoooo thank u that way I dont have to ever see your pedo apologist stupid ass😌

[wispandwhispers]

U!Sides are actually so dumb, I don’t hate them but they’re dumb