#mcu wank

[depressedsteverogers]

[panathemas]

look. i do understand the arguments that are being made for why matt could recognize heather from the paintings - i just think those arguments are stupid and, more importantly, shouldn't have to be made.

a blind superhero is interesting. why would work to dimish that? why would you have the blind hero figure the crucial clue out from a painting - something any other character could have done? what about that makes daredevil, our protagonist and underdog, special? what about that brings any sort of tension or narrative satisfaction????? all it says to me is 'the writers were able to cover over the writing hurdle of him being blind, which was soooo inconvenient for them btw'.

i know matt can 'see' a lot, i remember just fine how they described it in the show. in some comics, he can 'see' even More. And i still think it's bad writing!

Fuck off!! give me more incorporation of what it means to be blind in a society that is designed for sighted people and is still pretty hostile to matt, even with his powers. show a seeing audience visual cues that matt himself can't catch, and how he works to achieve great things around that.

it's as much bad storytelling as it is blandly ableist.

[musclesandhammering]

On Narrative Bias

I keep saying it annoys me how Wanda has done so many evil ass things and is never held accountable for her actions, and it never fails that someone tries to respond with “but aren’t you a loki stan? He’s done evil shit too! So you have a double standard and are a misogynist!!!!” Yeah, no. The difference is that you can clearly tell who the writers have predetermined as a hero vs a villain. You can tell who they want you to root for. Loki’s actions are given narrative consequences as harsh as possible, while Wanda’s are narratively excused and softened and sympathised. Let me show you what I mean.

* Loki commits treasons, tries to kill his brother & attempts genocide -> Loki’s father rejects him while he attempts suicide

* Loki tries to conquer earth -> Loki is sentenced to life in prison

* Loki incapacitates the king and secretly takes the throne -> Loki is threatened with a hammer to the face, we’re reminded how awful he is by all the other characters for the rest of the movie & he would’ve faced more consequences if the apocalypse hadn’t interrupted

* Loki steals the tesseract from the vault -> Loki watches his brother be tortured & then has his neck snapped

Now compare that to…

* Wanda willingly signs up to work for a nazi organisation, tries to help an evil robot murder the avengers, intentionally sets the hulk loose on a town of innocent people, & helps destroy Sokovia for a lil while -> Wanda gets a fatherly pep talk from Clint & is immediately accepted as an Avenger

* Wanda accidentally murders a bunch of people while on a mission -> Wanda is put on temporary house arrest in a giant mansion with her boyfriend

* Wanda buries her boyfriend/teammate under like 10 floors of concrete, breaks out of house arrest, & goes against a government order -> the leader of the superhero team defends her, a grown ass woman, by saying “She’s just a kid!”, she’s detained in a government prison for like a week maybe (?) during which she’s shown as a sad helpless victim to encourage sympathy from viewers, & then she gets busted out by the ex-team leader & eventually gets to run off to Scotland with her boyfriend

* Wanda holds an entire town hostage & tortures them just to fulfil her own grief-fuelled fantasy -> one of the women Wanda attacked reassures her that she’s the actual victim in all this and that the people she tortured just have no idea what she’s sacrificed for them & she escapes to an isolated location to read a forbidden demon book and make herself more powerful without anyone interfering

* Wanda goes on a serial killing spree across the multiverse, kidnaps a child, holds her hostage, tortures her, & attempts to take her powers all so she can steal another Wanda’s children because she misses her children that were never actually real in the first place -> Wanda gets some badass power sequences and #girlboss one liners, is the one that destroys the demon book, essentially saving the multiverse from future corruption, & is allowed to die a hero’s death (which we all know isn’t permanent)

See the difference?

[samuelwilsonbarnes-archive]

gonna be honest the version of the mcu that exists in my head is so far removed from what’s actually happening in canon at this point its crazy to believe there were years and years where it was damn near 1:1 just with extra material on top 😭

[dottie-wan-kenobi]

RDJ as Victor Von Doom is easily top 10 worst choices the mcu has ever made

[i-dont-know-how-this-site-works]

(Nooo, not the typo!)

[musclesandhammering]

Some of them I can understand, but then the others?? There is no damn way cishet men are out there enjoying Loki 😭

any one else completely forget that straight men are marvel fans like sir these characters are for the girls and gays wdym straight men are the target audience?!?

[thehauntingsofficial]

A Warning To Marvel Roleplayers;

Mass manipulation comes in many forms, like a wolf stalking pray through a crowd of nice, nice sheep. One specifically has made it their mission to ruin people's lives in the name of jealousy, otherwise known as Asgards-Trickster-God (as well as manifest-your-destiny, and countless other alt accounts, as you've probably seen). Slithering from writing group to writing group once people figure out that all the harassment they've been receiving has been from their own writing partner. These innocent people don't deserve the constant harassment, don't deserve to be obsessed over by a person who barely crosses their mind.

The following is chock-full of evidence (not edited, in case LLD wants to play). I've also added a different callout post made by a different group a little while back, they've truly been at this for a way too long now.

Please stay safe, folks!

[eternalgirlscout]

every single mcu property is like "that's the villain The Puppy Kicker! he wants everyone on earth to have clean drinking water, but also he kicks puppies so he must be stopped. we have no plans to fix the water thing btw"

[musclesandhammering]

Me: *sees an avengers era Loki meta* 😃

The Meta: “Loki sabotaged the invasion on purpose” “Loki was forced into invading by Thanos” “Loki was abused by Thor” “Loki was under complete mind control” “Loki was never a villain”

Me: 🙄 *keeps scrolling*

[musclesandhammering]

I also love the excuse people give that “well his powers aren’t as strong as Wanda’s or Strange’s, he mainly just does tricks.”

-This man caught a falling skyscraper and then pushed it back into place without breaking a sweat…. and you’re telling me he couldn’t use his telekinesis to toss people around during fights?

-This man enchanted half of the all-powerful all-consuming monster entity that controls all of time on his first try….. and you’re telling me he couldn’t just mind-warp someone during a fight?

-This man put an illusion over the entire room of his cell just to hide his feelings after his mom died…. and you’re telling me he couldn’t cast an illusion over whatever battlefield he’s fighting on so his opponent would have no idea what’s real and what’s not?

-This man can teleport…. and we’ve never seen him disappear and reappear behind his enemies before this series?

And that’s not even getting into what the writers could do if they combined some of his powers. There’s soooo much creative potential there to give him some badass fight scenes.

Have him teleport behind his enemy and enchant them before they can turn around, like Wanda’s done several times. Have him use his enchantment and illusion powers at the same time to trap his enemies inside a false reality. He has pyrokinesis (he set the sword on fire), so have him pick objects up with his telekinesis then set them on fire and throw them at people. Have him use his jotun powers to freeze someone solid and then use his fire powers to melt them into a puddle. Have him use his telekinesis to levitate objects he’s standing on, so he could sort of fly. I have a million different ideas and they’re not that hard to come up with. Idk why marvel gives every magic user cool magic-y scenes except him :/

To Loki not using magic & excuses why

Look at this shit. These powers. She is using tekekinesis,putting it to actual use,and without hurting people.

Loki has this ability too and writers give us him using it to get a roomba vacuum cleaner. Why didnt he do this for example when Sylvie was fighting him - how Wanda stops Nat's leg. But no. He keeps being thrown around.

So dont give me that crap Loki isnt using magic cos he "doesnt wanna hurt anyone". You can use magic without causing hurm and this airport scene in proof.

Huh. Funny everyone knows how to use magic but Loki. And his fans are fine with it.

For better comparision:

Wanda using telekinesis in fight

(And she didnt hurt Nat here so get the fuck out with that "he doesnt wanna hurt anyone crap". Here is proof you can use powers only to stop your opponent.)

and Loki using telekinesis in fight

Then we have excuse "there is still season 2"

So why did Sylvie unlock new powers in finale? She will be in season 2. They could have waited too. In finale she is suddenly telekinetic and shoots energy blasts. Powers she hasnt had for previous 5 episodes. (Besides Wanda is in MoM, so she could have opened new powers in this movie not in WV because she too had time. This excuse is ridicilous) Also I would like to add Sylvie shoots at Loki without caring if she hurts him. Such a hero.

"There is still time".

Its been 10 years and classic Loki shows up, has 5 minutes of screen time and shows this:

when Tom has been playing Loki for 10 years and his Loki didnt show 10% of these powers in 10 years???

I'll tell you what it is:

[dottie-wan-kenobi]

I wish I could like Shang Chi more. It's such an interesting premise, the action is really good, I enjoy some of the characters (Xu Xianling my beloved), they have Tony Leung in there being a hot asshole. It makes even people like my white parents who hate subtitles want to watch it and be fine with reading subs for once. But it's just so... MCU like. I can learn to live with Awkwafina being in it, even though I feel like she was definitely a weak point acting wise. Simu Liu as well, though I also don't think he was the best choice. But god every emotional moment was just cheapened by the MCU Humor™️ and the color scheme was so MCU Dull™️ and it's just impossible to really enjoy.

[i-dont-know-how-this-site-works]

2013 tumblr: oh my god, did you see the way that Loki flinched when something exploded next to him? That proves he was abused by Thanos, but also Odin, and Thor, and he is such a poor woobie my tiny baby but have you seen the way he walks into the German Opera? That was so hot, I could just GLOMP, I love him, I will draw smut with him and Tony Stark

2023 tumblr: stepdad material.

[lokiinmediasideblog]

The thing about MCU!Thor is that to me he is an A+ student whose favorite subject is mass murder. I bet he got plenty of rewards and praise for it, and it has both inflated his ego for the past millennia and become tied to his self-worth as a result.

Whenever I see Loki's manipulation discussed, it's along the lines of "Thor is stupid/gullible and shouldn't be king because of that" when it should be "Thor WANTED a war. Thor LOVES battle. He's not ready because of this." Loki knew Thor wanted to fight (and hot take: Loki's nudge would not have worked on some pacifist). Look at the murderous glee he has in anticipation during the Jotunheim incident. He's like: (\(^_^)/)

Another instance I can think of is how confident he is at first about getting Mjolnir back, and getting through all those SHIELD agents. He knows he can do it because it's what he is good at and what he ties his self-worth towards. He thinks he knows the rules to get Mjolnir back, but then he learns it didn't work, and he begins to show fear and despair. Tell me it doesn't have vibes of someone that doesn't know how to deal with failure.

I saw something in a fic where his reaction to being called "princess" was because "he thought it was aimed at Loki", and it really ruins the context and misses the point. Thor was EAGER to fight, and took the opportunity with the insult. And I hate this tendency to make pre-T1 Thor a perfect brother to Loki and ray of sunshine. The point is that he undergoes redemption in T1. To say that he didn't need it and Loki just tricked him misses the point. He also gets dumbed down because he's not allowed to be morally gray, so any bad things he did were due to gullibility(e.g. "trusting too much/loving Loki too much"<- that's a kind of flaw that annoys me in characters that are portrayed otherwise good; it's such a cop out) instead of flawed morality.

I think that by making Thor 100% good, he ends up getting very dumbed down. In my experience, unless the fic was written by some Loki stan that projects too much and ships Frostiron (or someone who has a brutish Thor kink in some AU where they're not brothers and it may be tagged with "Dark Thor"), Thor is made out to be too nice. He is basically the perfect brother to Loki and his moral flaws are basically that "he's just a gullible himbo." And I just don't think that was the case, and it also simplifies Thor as a character when his war-like tendencies are ignored.

TLDR: Thor is neither himbo nor brute. But he's not nearly as kind as he's often flattened to be. He should have a dark side.

[coulsonlives]

He proudly said he hated both Thor and Bruce. Thor was a prissy rich boy, and Bruce was a whiny bipolar crybaby.

I was like... then why did you take on a movie where they're the main characters? I guess ignoring their history and their past relationship and flanderizing both of them made it worth it?

Because ironically, he just made Thor even more insufferable and Bruce even more annoyingly whiny.

Fandom Problem #4809:

When someone who hates a genre is hired to write for a franchise in that genre. Congrats! You're so busy deconstructing tropes you don't like that you've destroyed everything the fans liked!

[royalcommunistthor]

tell you what these people neither care about thor nor they care about loki. they just need to WOOBIFY loki that's IT and who is the closest to loki and affect loki? thor. yes, poor loki loves their abuser and sends destroyer to kill his brother (and you will also find these people justifying this by saying loki wasn't in right mind)

they will often mention that they love thor but no one is falling for their bs. what do you mean that being an abuser makes thor more interesting. I think you have an affinity towards abuse babe if you should get help. projecting on a fictional character is not going to help in long run

thor keeps being thrown under the bus every two weeks because of his association with loki. dude's only fault is that he couldn't stop loving that greasy weasel even after enduring countless abuse from loki. loki clearly ruined his life

tbf woobifyng has been around since the beginning of time so like they had to do it to him i guess. i will never understand why it's such a persistent and universal fandom phenomenon lest of all why anyone would do /ALL THAT/ for a man played by tom hiddleston. but. that's not any of my business.

don't even get me started on the whole jotun thing. MCU LOKI DOES NOT EXPERIENCE RACISM, MCU LOKI DOES NOT EXPERIENCE MARGINALISATION OF *ANY* KIND, MCU LOKI IS NOT BULLIED BY THOR, HE IS CERTAINLY NOT BULLIED BY HEIMDALL. can't believe this is something that apparently STILL has to be said- over and over might I add- despite the movies spoonfeeding it to you. the deleted scene has loki torment a servant, another scene that has been kept in has loki saying a guard should be FLOGGED for *gasp* taking too long. mans talking about subjugation and birthrights for like 3 movies straight. HE IS THE BULLY, BITCH!

what loki's jotun heritage reveal in the mcu does is RECONTEXUALISE LOKI'S RELATIONSHIP WITH POWER (which is 😘🤌) it doesn't mean that loki hadn't been wronged but it also doesn't make him experience racial discrimination! if anything, loki is time and time again shown to have everything back to front (which is honestly what makes him fun)- he grossly miscalculates thor's 'golden child' status, he spits that odin could never have a frost giant on the throne of asgard and then sits on that very throne a heartbeat later BECAUSE HE IS SECOND IN LINE! he thinks thor will never forgive him or see him in the same light as before - AND THOR FORGIVES HIM AND LOVES HIM, LOVES HIM EVEN WHEN HE'S ANGRY WITH HIM OR FEELING BETRAYED. it's literally the constant in loki's life.

thing about mcu thor & loki is that they essentially start in the same place, i mean it LITERALLY & FIGURATIVELY. we see them orbiting their father, eager for his attention and praise; their flashback as children running parallel. THEY GROW APART AND CHANGE IN DRASTICALLY DIFFERENT DIRECTIONS which is THE WHOLE FUCKING POINT, as you know...a basic storytelling device, but they're very clearly raised as equals, yes odin says they were both raised to be kings but we don't really know what that means; was loki meant to be a puppet king of jotunheim or a different client kingdom? were thor & loki meant to co-rule? was he meant to be thor's advisor/shadow co-king? was this a line from an earlier version of the script that just didn't get amended or taken out? we might never know, but one thing is certain; being the second son of a royal family is not oppression. the way this fandom talks about him you'd think he's fucking cinderella.

i hate the whole abuse debacle but for argument's sake like a person who manipulates you into being punished and then also tries to kill you several times would be the abuser. thing about thor is that he doesn't see himself as a victim and i think that's overwhelmingly a good thing because it makes him a more interesting character and it makes his relationship with him family more complex, he's anchored in by that deep personal connection no matter what happens - not to cringe quote star wars here but he loves his family more than anything they can do wrong. and BOY, wrong they do.