#michael and lucifer

[kan1nekaz]

the angel and devil on your shoulder (they won’t stop making out when they think you aren’t looking)

Michael and Lucifer from @nicosraf ‘s angel trilogy ofc 🫶

[michaeldemiurgossociety]

When everything that defines you will only ever serve as a backdrop for your brighter twin. Your worth always weighed against the one they had rather kept. And nobody to notice just how far you've cracked.

Now I've made myself depressed....

[themosthatedbeingmoving]

Listening to I don’t smoke by Mitski ( the live tree version ) and thinking about @sinnerzforsaintz ‘s Michael and my Lucifer and how Michale loves Lucifer so much it no longer love but hatred cause the opposite of love isn’t hatred but indifference and how these two are so obsessed with the other that no one is allowed to kill the other but them.

They are Morningstars and stars burn out together , they came in together and they will go out together , two burning stars creating a black hole to swallow the cruel universe whole .

Thinking about how much Michale hates Lucifer and how Lucifer underneath the fear of his brother just adores him and if it makes him happy he’ll let him kill him if it means they go out together and neither has to live in a world without the other cause that is more terrifying then falling itself .

What do you do when the reason for your existence /your anger/your love / your fear/ is no longer here ? Who are you without them to define you? Do you even want to know who are you are without them ?

[archangelraphael]

Destiny.

extra:

[maggot-monger]

god : michael :: michael : raphael

michael trusts god to make sure everything turns out right (following the plan, being a good son). raphael trusts michael to make sure everything turns out right (fight lucifer, ensure paradise)

when god left, michael still followed the plan set by him and acted as if he hoped/expected god would come back some day. when michael fell into the cage, raphael tried to get him back so that the apocalypse could continue as originally planned

(this isn't an exhaustive list; there's probably more)

michael : lucifer :: lucifer : gabriel

michael says he took care of lucifer. lucifer says he taught gabriel all his tricks

lucifer took a stand against michael because of an ethical disagreement; michael caged him (and planned to kill him) because of it. gabriel took a stand against lucifer because of an ethical disagreement; lucifer killed him because of it

lucifer formed an identity around michael's rejection of him. gabriel formed an identity around what he might have perceived as lucifer's rejection of him and everything/everyone else due to his rebellion

gabriel asked lucifer to defy fate. lucifer asked michael to defy fate.

(this also isn't an exhaustive list; there's almost definitely more)

[fratricideknight]

cheesy artistic spn vibes: god said, "let family be hell on earth as it is in heaven."

(idk if i made this up (probably not) or if i just don't remember who said it please lmk)

[klm-zoflorr]

The more things change...

... The more they stay the same

I'm pretty sure these are the only two scenes shot in that particular way

[professorharlow]

lucifer and michael are the sandwich of god

wait wait just hear me out here okay-

so lucifer's original name was samael, right? (in some religions)

and if you take away the ael's from both Samael's and Michael's names that leaves sam and mich

sammich

sammich is what some people call sandwiches

and the ael part means 'of God'

lucifer and michael are the sandwich of god

edit: OH AND GOOGLE SAYS SAMMICH IS A TERM RESERVED FOR THE 'MIGHTIEST AND HOLIEST OF ALL SANDWICHES'

THIS JUST PROVES MY POINT EVEN MORE

[uncaffeinated-anarchist-angel]

#Supernatural is going to make me get disowned.

So my dad is an evagelical pastor and he just prayed for me and said "god use them(meaning me) as your vessel." Is it bad that my first thought was, but he's the worst dad in existence, I don't want to be his vessel?!?! Then my sister asked if I wanted to be Michael or Lucifer, and my response was along the lines of feeling bad for Luci cause he has MAJOR daddy issues. I think I might end up in hell according to my parents😂

Father also unironically made jokes about holy water, and I'm falling apart with humor that he won't get

My existence is painful and this tv show is ruining me

[fmayyy]

Lucifer is so Michael Scott coded…..

[kan1nekaz]

Happy AAPI Heritage Month!

In the Beloved Damnation discord we were talking a bit about drawing some characters in aapi cultural clothing and I couldn’t help but think about Michael and Lucifer as Ōhi’a and Lehua. Lovers who fell victim to the jealousy of volcano goddess Pele, but were transformed into the Ōhi’a tree and Lehua blossom so they can hold each other for eternity :’)

[michaeldemiurgossociety]

A shoutout to any and all members heading out to the Lucifer Convention this weekend. We would love for you guys to check in with us.

You can tag and/or mention Michael Demiurgos Appreciation Society on Facebook, Tumblr, or post your stories/pics, your amazing cosplays, etc. in our private Facebook group and Discord server.

Have a great time!

[redfluffz]

This was more or less a practice thing. I want to know if my humanoid god design is working.

All in all i'm happy with him.

Part 1 | Part 2

[420technoblazeit]

im such a raphael apologist btw. if my brothers were THEE actual devil, a guy who was a cop thousands of years before cops even existed, and some bitch who was so allergic to responsibility that he faked his death every couple of months i too would be so fucking done with everything. pour one out for the longest suffering archangel

[neonross]

screenshot redraw but with the me and @kokoiep of the 7 archangels

[maggot-monger]

if lucifer hadn't killed gabriel in hammer of the gods, how do you think that would have influenced his later interactions with sam & michael?

ohhh man what a good question. this got long (as tends to happen with me lol) so under a cut my answer goes ~

starting with sam: i don't think lucifer killing gabriel had much of an impact on sam's perception of lucifer at all. partly because sam didn't know gabriel very well by that point so it wasn't a particular loss to him; partly because sam is less informed on the difference between angels and archangels than lucifer, michael, gabriel himself are, so the gravity is less salient to him; and partly because he didn't know enough about lucifer (or lucifer's dynamic with gabriel) up to that point to have a perception of whether or not it would be surprising for lucifer for kill gabriel. so for sam it was kind of a non-event.

for michael...psychologically it might have done a lot, but practically i'd guess it did nothing or next to nothing. it seems likely that michael saw lucifer being willing to kill gabriel as a really really awful thing, but at the same time...so what? like, it is personally devastating to lose gabriel, but gabriel had already been gone for a long time anyway. it is personally awful to think that lucifer would be willing to kill a fellow archangel, with whom he was clearly close; it might feel like a betrayal even — but would gabriel have been permitted to come back to heaven, after deserting for so long? militaries execute people for that kind of thing all the time, and we already know heaven was killing angels for lack of faith. if gabriel had confronted michael in the same way he did lucifer, the outcome might well have been the same. killing an archangel is A Lot, but it's something they're equipped to do, and it's something michael was actively planning to do to lucifer. and besides, lucifer's crime for which he was caged was already probably the worst thing he'd ever done, from michael's perspective — the first disobedience, the first major loss of a brother, the thing that caused gabriel to leave, the thing that caused god to leave, the thing that made it so that lucifer was doomed to death that michael likely felt as a death when it first happened (much as lucifer points out to sam that jess was dead from the moment they said hello, lucifer was dead the moment he disobeyed).

so, imo, lucifer killing gabriel might be further proof that lucifer was beyond saving to michael, but it didn't change anything. it was terrible, but it wasn't the worst thing lucifer ever did. michael was already going to fight lucifer to the death and he already probably wasn't going to be amenable to lucifer trying to bargain with him. too much was riding on this fight for me to think that, had lucifer not killed gabriel, michael would have considered walking off the chessboard as lucifer suggested. (the one thing that makes me hesitate on this at all is that michael was flexible with fate as far as his vessel went, but even so...i doubt lucifer abstaining from killing gabriel would have really done much to change michael's mind.)

lucifer, though...that hammer of the gods interaction with gabriel seems to have had a major impact on lucifer, at least, whether or not the killing itself did. it's hard to know exactly how much of an impact it had, since lucifer in s5 did a lot to obfuscate his own thought processes, but at least based on what he says, it seems like he was always pretty locked into fate playing out as planned up until gabriel's line "no one makes us do anything" to suggest that they might have more control over their own outcomes than lucifer had previously considered (lucifer: big on thinking for yourself, not so much on believing in self-determination...). so lucifer is all about fate, then gabriel says that they have the capacity to decide things for themselves and go against what they believe the plan to be, then in swan song for the first time lucifer is suddenly talking about not doing the showdown fight (and practically quoting gabriel's lines, but spun significantly: "no one makes dad do anything, he's doing this to us").

but ok that's kind of a tangent — anyway, the point there is that it seems like lucifer took some things to heart that gabriel said to him in that interaction, and that's really interesting, considering gabriel said all those things right before lucifer killed him. mostly what this suggests to me is that lucifer mentally replayed that conversation after leaving the elysium — gabriel might have been dead, but he wasn't gone; lucifer wasn't just clearing obstacles and moving forward; he was acting and then reflecting afterwards on the circumstances surrounding his actions, if they seemed significant enough.

it's hard to say what impact exactly gabriel's death itself had on lucifer; it doesn't really come up much after that, and while lucifer is clearly fazed by it in the moment, there isn't a ton of suggestion that the death itself did anything but make him sad. i personally like to imagine that lucifer thought of killing gabriel as a nail in his own coffin, and proof that he was beyond redemption...but while it's compelling to me to imagine, i'm not sure there's any real evidence for it.

firstly, because lucifer still suggests to michael that they walk off the chessboard. he might have done that if he thought there was no chance michael would take him up on it, but i'm not sure he would have done it if he didn't believe he deserved to have michael at least consider it. so if he thought killing gabriel made him unworthy, i'm not sure he would have said it. it seems more likely, imo, that he would suggest that as a weird sort of homage to gabriel — "gabriel said no one makes us do anything, which is something i'd never thought of before or at least never heard anyone else i respect say before, so because he's gone and can't say that to us himself, i'm going to bring his wish that we will stop all of this to you. i do not agree with gabriel about the merits of humanity, but he's maybe right that i don't need to kill all of them; i thought about the things he said to me and found our common ground: neither he nor i really wants this fight to happen. so i dedicate my offer to walk off the chessboard with you to him." idk. it's a thought.

secondly, it seems significant, at least as a viewer, that gabriel is the only angel to that point who lucifer has killed. afair, there is never even a mention of him having killed an angel before that (at least watching the show chronologically — as ever, i don't know what went on in late seasons or if they ever gave him a pre-cage bodycount). he seems resistant to killing angels, and even with gabriel acts like he is doing it against his will (prompting the "no one makes us do anything" line from gabriel is lucifer's line "brother, don't make me do this" — affiliative, with the "brother," and unwilling, by (unjustly, but tellingly) assigning the blame to gabriel for lucifer potentially killing him). i am pretty sure it's even true that lucifer never suggests that he anticipates killing michael and living — the closest he comes that i can recall is him saying "we're going to kill each other," which feels very different from "one of us is going to kill the other" (he also doesn't contradict michael's claims that he's going to kill lucifer...either both die/don't die, or it's just lucifer dying, but it's never just michael). all of this suggests to me that lucifer, even by swan song, does not prefer to think of himself as an angel-killer. so having killed gabriel is incongruent with his self-concept, in the same way that someone who has killed a person might say of themselves "yes, i killed him, but i'm not a murderer." gabriel was a casualty in a high-stakes war he made himself an obstacle in: his death was very personal, but it also wasn't. lucifer did it under duress, and so it doesn't necessarily say anything about lucifer, in lucifer's opinion.

the takeaway from all of this seems to maybe be that i don't think the fact of lucifer killing gabriel affected anyone's perceptions of lucifer enough for it to matter to them. lucifer killing gabriel seemed fitting, relatively unimportant, or not-identity-defining to sam, michael, and lucifer respectively, and so the killing itself did not change the course substantially from if gabriel hadn't confronted lucifer at all.

what did influence lucifer, at least, was what gabriel said while he was alive (which is kind of beautiful, in a way). i'm also inclined to believe that gabriel (and lucifer) walking out of the confrontation alive would have had more potential to impact sam and/or michael and/or lucifer than gabriel dying.

it would maybe have been most disruptive to sam's opinion of lucifer (if sam had let himself think about it that much...), because to sam lucifer is scary, so lucifer doing something unexpectedly merciful might be worth pausing to think about.

idk if michael would have been swayed by it one way or the other, but it seems like the sort of thing lucifer might bring up in swan song, if he'd not killed gabriel, as evidence that it is possible to have a massive disagreement with someone and not kill them. likewise idk if it would have changed lucifer's perception of himself, if he really didn't think of himself as an angel-killer — a non-angel-killer not killing an angel is pretty normal; the most interesting part of that interaction to lucifer probably still would have been what gabriel said, rather than how the interaction ended.

beyond that, though, gabriel still would have been an active character if he wasn't dead! that's the biggest thing, to me. if the show had gone so far as to decide to spare him at that point, there would likely be a reason for that — what exactly gabriel would have done following his discussion with lucifer in hammer of the gods is beyond what i'm going to speculate on now since this is already very long, but i feel like it would have had to change something substantial.