#mighty men and nephilim

[mondoreb]

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[cherubispunk]

NEPHILIM - Jackson-era!Joel Miller x AFAB!Reader

summary: the disturbing comforts the disturbed.

a note from Lucy: I swear there is fluff! I swear, I swear, I swear! You just have to squint *reeeeaaaalllly* hard. Yes, I read the book of genesis and the book numbers along with some extensive Wikipedia deep diving for like…a paragraph of lore. But is it really ever enough?

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Warnings: 18+ MDNI DARK CONTENT! no use of y/n, I tried to keep her body type as generic as possible but he might be slightly skinny coded so please let me know and I’ll change it in edits, reader is referred to as ‘Bambi’, verbally constipated Joel Miller, brief gore descriptions, heavy religious imagery and references to the bible, biblical lore, bombastic age gap!!! yahhhhh! (reader is in her 20’s/ Joel is in his late 50’s), smut, p in v sex, creampie, fingering, rough sex, possessive!joel, dom!joel/sub!reader dynamic, you know the drill with my writing, there’s probably some form of cannibalism as a metaphor, or brutal violence as a metaphor, religious imagery as a metaphor, etc. (aka, fancy word vomit)

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Genesis 6:4 The Nephilim were in the earth in those days, and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bore children to them; the same were the mighty men that were of old, the men of renown.

The reality of it was, you and Joel were two people who lived in the same small town. Who’s paths crossed once to save your life, and the others when coincidence would grant you that small pleasure. He carried you to the care of an old man with blue eyes now milky in cataracts. Jude. Who nursed you to health in a metal framed bed of an old family home— now the town clinic. The knife that sliced open your side had been dirty, and sepsis soon spread in the bloody gash. Only with Joel finding you in the snow, and Jude delivering you antibiotics, did you recover back to health.

He wouldn’t visit you directly. He would visit Jude and glance at you through the doorway as he passed the hall to the elderly Man’s office. To distract from the man you read stories when bedridden. Parts of biblical scripture; Read the book of Genesis; Read the book of Numbers. Jude being a religious man who had the fortune of holding God in his heart, kept them among his medical journals and books. And the former was far more interesting than the later in your opinion. For in them were mentions of anthropomorphic creatures born of flesh, blood and divinity. Towering tall over common trees and temples built in the name of Lord God. You were no religious woman, but you found comfort in the fables of the Old Testament. And likened Joel to the Nephilim in all ways.

Joel Miller was something of a biblical figure to you. A small glimpse into the past of something archaic, untold, and harbouring on the dangerous. You liked to imagine him as one of the Nephilim. A son of god, offspring borne of a fallen angel and man. A giant of misunderstood nature. Who’s soul had been cast down on earth in punishment. His large hands had bloodshed on them, or so people had said. They whispered it quietly in the spaces between. The places he didn’t occupy often. But he was always on your mind…so there was no place for those whispers there. If he was all that bad…why did he save you? You saw his need to care, protect, understand. Not be understood. But just understand. You would let yourself dream of taking his rough edges to the smooth plane of a whetstone. People claimed you cannot buff brass into gold. That it will only be as such in your head. That it was a fools game, but the fool is rich in content, and poor in sorrow. For the fool has little to worry about while they live in ignorant bliss.

What wasn’t written in any of the books of the holy scripture was this; ‘The disturbing comforts the disturbed.’ But it might as well have been. It was practically the way god intended life to be. You are shaken, and you are weaned on being shaken, until stillness is a discomfort and your body begs to be rattled again. But harder.

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You took a while to find your feet. Joel took it upon himself to wordlessly help you with any medial or manual task. You were given a house on the edge of town, up a hill in some remote street that was always quiet. It seemed the less social souls resided there. Not that you minded. It was jarring to say the least. Being cast out into the hostile wild. And then brought back into the warmth. Here you had clothes, food, a roof over your head, and community. It stung in the same way it does to run your hands under a scalding tap after labouring out in the cold. It made your fingers numb before they regained feeling. Stiff. And a trouble to flex them back and forth, closed fist, open palm; Closed fist, open palm.

It’s how you earned ‘Bambi’. A name only Joel would ever call you. Dear doe on her wobbly, spindly legs. He’d keep you upright. Despite being a good thirty year sicker than you. Dirty old man. Ditsy little girl.

Your time together was silent. And while he never said he cared, he showed it. By waiting for you each time you were in the stables. And he would walk through town with you a safe distance from his side, up to the top of the hill your house was on. The snow would crunch under his heavy boots and he wished he was lighter on his feet like you. Not a large bulk of a man with heavy feet and even heavier hand. Maybe Joel wasn't large by the world's standards, but he was still a giant to you- muscular, and broad shoulders. With hands that could engulf yours, or cradle the entire crown of your head with a single palm. His arms were strong, and large from manual labour, and tightly knotted with tendons and grizzly muscle like thick twisted ropes that held up sails. What you liked most, however, was his softer belly. Perhaps the only soft thing about him from what little you had seen, or heard, or assumed. You felt an intrinsic satisfaction in knowing he was well fed. And Joel didn't mind it either. It was a reminder to himself what he was in fact as safe as he could be. Anything to not go hungry again. He still kept his brawns either way. Kept his hands and mind busy with patrols and the odd job around town. Fixing roofs, garden sheds, building tables with spare lumber from the woodhouse, and chopping firewood for the colder months. At the beginning of winter he would spend most of his free time ensuring you had enough. He spent hours out in his backyard, swinging that axe down on log, after log of wood. Then carry it up the hill in a wheelbarrow to your front door. He did it for nothing. Nothing but the peace of mind that grew from the seed of knowing you were warm. But he was greeted with something you had baked, or sewn, or knitted, or grown in your empty hours alone. Apple and rhubarb pie, thick woollen gloves, sourdough bread with crunchy, thick crusts that crunched when he broke his bread.

“It’s nothin’.” He would say, and shrug, hands on his hips while he looked back at the finished product of whatever work he’d slaved over that entire afternoon. Be it a pile of firewood, raised garden beds, or a fixed gutter. “Just…do me a favour?” He asked.

“Yeah?”

“Keep that smile on y’face, Bambi. Don’t let anyone take it away from ya.” His face was stern. As if he was telling you, not asking you. But if you were to ever stop smiling he thought he’d keel over and die a little bit inside. Or part of him would anyway. The part of him you now had in your chest unwittingly.

You watched the mountain of a man, Big Bad Joel Miller, warm up. Day by slow day. He was on the threshold of it. Right there. But the toe of his thick winter boots never ventured onto floorboards. He stayed out in the cold. After a while you dared Joel to touch you. Tired of him only meeting halfway. He was a man of few words, but a man of so much action. And when you challenged him with your tongue, he countered with his touch. That night was hell under the guise of heaven for his restraint.

“Y’so bad for me, Bambi.” Joel grunted, his entire weight smothering you against the mattress of his bed. His cock dragging in and out of you slowly. “Old sinner like me ain’t made for you.” So slowly the anticipation ached in the joints of your toes that curled. His grip on your hips casting his handprint in a watercolour bloom. “That’s it, fuck– takin’ me so well.”

You whimpered, eyes fluttering shut, back arching in a deep curve off the bed while his hips altered their pace. Just a tad quicker as you bucked up into him. The two of you climbing in tandem to the high. “That's it,” He repeated in a hiss, followed by a growl into your neck, “Keep archin’ that back for me.” You did just that, holding onto his forearms for leverage as you curled your spine a little deeper. A word came to mind. One you’d heard once before. Only once. But I held such a comfort to be able to label it. Hiraeth. He was that. And what you felt was that. A longing for a home. He treated you like you wouldn't break. But spoke as if words would lacerate you. One punctuated thrust, aided by your own slick was all it took, a moan for him deeper. A tear slipped from your eye and you let gravity do its work, pulling it from you. It slipped from the corner of your eye, and down your temple. “Good girl, Bambi.” He crooned, splaying both of his palms over your hairline and sweeping the hair that stuck to your forehead in the sheen of sweat atop your skin. His large hands dragged over the top of your skull to the crown of your head, down the back of your neck, and gripped. That soft fleshy part at the base of your skull and the top of your still curved spine.

It hurt. It deeply hurt. His calloused fingers, textured by the trigger of a gun, or the handle of an axe, pressing into your malleable skin. But you’d let Joel drag you to hell if it meant he would hold your hand. You didn't care how he touched you– how he was inside you. He could be buried to hilt in your cunt, or knuckle deep in an open wound. As long as he was there. You'd give the heavens, and the earth, and rot in hell if it meant he stayed. Joel swore you had the space for his heart next to yours. But you didn't have the stomach.

You gripped the skin of Joel’s back. Searching for a part of him to hold that would turn off the cynic in him. Or at least try. You gave up on that idea. Because the man that fucked you— the man that loved you in action and not words— was not kind. He was not gentle. He was bold, and sharp as broken glass, and blunt all in the same being. You knew the crease of his brow. You had it memorised.

He hooked a leg over his shoulder, opened you up to his greedy eyes. They misted into dark hickory at the sight of you taking him so well inside of you. Messy little cunt for him to play with whenever he pleased. His nostrils flared as he pressed deeper. And your reaction was as he planned. A cry of his name. Your sex drenched and accommodating every inch. “A cunt made for me.” He gritted through his teeth, leaning forward to sink his teeth into your bottom lip and lick into the wet cavern of your mouth; Take the taste of you back with him when he retreated again; Righting his hips and the angle he fucked you in.

“Made for you.” You agreed in a garble and a slur. As if drunk off the last dregs of his kindness that lay at the bottom of the bottle. Licking it dry for all it was still worth.

“Say it again.” Joel grunted, demanded.

“Made for you.” You repeated.

“Good little Bambi.”

From there it was the crescendo. And it came broken in two halves of two separate waves. The first wave was one of numbing pleasure. The one that fizzled through your legs until you were nothing but a mere speck for a second. And the second was the one that broke you. Had you shattering. It tightened in your womb, behind the mouth of your cervix, and then released in slow flutter; Your walls relaxing and then contracting. And he came after with a groan and spilled inside of you.

He was no gentle lover. In fact, he wasn’t a lover at all. When he fucked you that night…it felt like he was trying to love you— but couldn’t. He was too conditioned to violence. It showed the ache he left behind. Nevertheless, you would take more than he was willing to offer. But what he dropped in your palm you stored away and hoarded like a greedy magpie with shiny little trinkets. He was warm. But not warm like a campfire. He was warm like hellflame. And you were okay with that. You would take your time with him, and slowly pry open a gap in his ribs to slip past. To love him to the marrow. Even the mangled parts. Find him at his very worst — The part humanity suffocated in. And love him there. Silently.

Joel ran a hand over the flank of your ribs and then curled around your navel to pull your back to his chest. Then kissed the crook of your neck in a silent apology to your skin for each mark or tender bruise he may have left. One that wasn't really needed, but you accepted it by reaching behind you and running your fingers through his thick greying curls. In times like these after it all, in the clot and space in between, you came to realise loving him was like loving being hungry. It felt good to want things. To feed yourself you swallowed your fear instead. You lay there, exhaustion heavy in your bones, a hand of his slipping between your legs to feel the evidence of him being there inside you. His spend sticky and thick and warm between your legs. You couldn't fight the impulsive twitch that jolted your spine when he pressed on your swollen, slick clit and drew lazy circles. “Mine now, Bambi.” He murmured into the skin of your shoulder. He didn't kiss the skin there, but rather trailed his chapped lips over your flesh in such a light touch it felt like it was hardly there. More a trick of the sex hazed, lust crazed mind. “Understand that?” And you nodded in silence with a small smile, watching out the frosted up window pane as the dawn stained the sky a burnt orange and angry red. It refracted and smeared in the crystallised ice. A thin sheet that obscured the image of the sycamore tree outside his bedroom window. The bare branches looked far more like the bones of skeletal fingers than a tree bare of leaves. Its bleach white bark only emphasised your image of it. Your vision. Nevertheless; The blackbird would sing, once again on its branch, a morning song you knew by heart.

[loveliestlovelygirl]

do you think you have to teach fallenangel!anakin anything about physical intimacy? does he even know how to kiss?

this is such a fun thought indy. thank you for the ask.

so my stance on this topic is... complicated? one of my main inspo sources for this au is actually this biblical scripture. genesis 6:4.

there were giants on the earth in those days, and also afterward, when the sons of God came in to the daughters of men and they bore children to them. Those were the mighty men who were of old, men of renown.

in some translations the giants are called nephilim which are actually offspring of angels and humans. sons of god refers to angels. and daughters of men refer to human women. its just interesting to me because this verse seems to refer to angels and humans having sex. i believe it was only permitted for a time canonically.

i think that we wouldn't have to teach him about intimacy. my anakin for this au is essentially lucifer. and for those of you who aren't familiar with biblical lore, he was supposedly a seraph and the most beautiful, intelligent, and wisest of all the angels before he fell. and because anakin is highly intelligent and of a high position in the angelic hierarchy that i have created, i think that he would be quite knowledgeable about the earthly creations because he's in direct contact with god or as i call him "the creator." he understand sex, how it works, the pleasure aspect and the emotional aspect.

in chapter one, i touched on his view of sex. he kinda sees it as simplistic and an animal act. his desire for the reader is deeper and more possessive. he's jealous that she loves the creator and worships him. anakin wants that same adoration from her. he wants to be treated like a god by her. fallen angel anakin would be good at physical intimacy, kissing, sex, etc. like really good. just because the knowledge of the human body and mind probably isn't anything special to him. and i think that he would be inclined to pursue the reader sexually because maybe he wants it and also he wants to possess her in every way he can because he wants her to desire him.

[cherub-notifs]

NEPHILIM MOODBOARD, HEADER, AND TEASER UNDER THE CUT. 🪽

Genesis 6:4 The Nephilim were in the earth in those days, and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bore children to them; the same were the mighty men that were of old, the men of renown.

Joel Miller was something of a biblical figure to you. A small glimpse into the past of something archaic, untold, and harbouring on the dangerous. You liked to imagine him as one of the Nephilim. A son of god, or a fallen angel. A giant of misunderstood nature. Who had been cast down on earth in punishment. His large hands had bloodshed on them, or so people had said. They whispered it quietly in the spaces between. The places he didn’t occupy often. But he was always on your mind…so there was no place for those whispers there. If he was all that bad…why did he save you?

You saw his need to care, protect, understand. Not be understood. But just understand. You would let yourself dream of taking his rough edges to the smooth plane of a whetstone. Buff it out. People claimed you cannot buff brass into gold. That it was a fools game, but the fool is rich in content, and poor in sorrow. For the fool has little to worry about while they live in ignorant bliss.

[contremineur]

FIELDS OF THE NEPHILIM backstage in 1990

“There were Giants in the earth in those daies: and also after that, when the sonnes of God came in vnto the daughters of men, & they bare children to them; the same became mightie men, which were of old, men of renowme.”  Genesis 6:4 (KJV 1611)

listen here and wonder

[cryptid-artha]

The God of the Bible is a Lovecraftian Horror

Disclaimer - This is not meant to offend anybody. If you are offended by the idea of this, just scroll past and don’t read it. This was just for fun, and a bunch of observations I have made. This isn't even meant to be taken seriously and is in no way an attack against any religions, Christian or otherwise. People are allowed to interpret Mythology however they want - no Mythology is above this, so I can take Abrahamic mythology and interpret it however I want to. Thank you.

If you aren’t easily offended and want to read something fun, keep reading!

I have come to the conclusion that the God of the Christian Bible is a Lovecraftian Eldritch horror. Here is the proof.

1 - His real name is never mentioned. Yahweh, Jahova, Elohim … these all mean “Lord” or “King” or “God” and are actually just a title. His real name is said to be unknowable, and that no man may utter it. Many of the Lovecraftian names are not really the name of the creatures mentioned, but rather a translation or title. Even the name people commonly know him by, God, is just a title. It simply describes what he is to the people who follow him.

2 - To look upon the face of God was said to cause blindness, death, or possibly insanity. He is said to be incomprehensible and unknowable. Look at what happened to those who touched the Ark of the Covenant, and what happened to them.

3 - People who had close contact with him went crazy. Ever read Revelations with all the crazy creatures and monsters described? It isn't just revelations either, crazy stuff happened surrounding this entity all throughout his book.

4 - There are incredibly loyal followers who continue to believe despite everything that seems to go against logic and reason. They have engaged in animal sacrifice. There is even a major story in their book about a human sacrifice that is at the core of their entire belief system. There was also a story about a man who was willing to sacrifice his own son on a single command. They built great and ancient monuments to him. Some could, arguably, call many of these followers a cult, has been one of the most dangerous and influential groups throughout history, and was part of what brought about the Dark Ages.

5 - There are tales of destruction and horror - about the End Days when he would come back with terrible wrath, and his followers hope for it to happen and even preach on the streets to spread this dark news.

6 - A quote from the bible says that “I thousand years is but a day to the Lord”, showing just how far removed from anything human this entity is.

7 - The Bible mentions how the Sons of God and the Sons of Men interbred… to create Nephilim. They were described as mighty giants… That sure sounds a lot like the Human/Great Old One hybrids from the Dunwich Horror, or the Deep Ones connected to Dagon.

8 - Jesus, who was said to be his son, had strange powers, survived Crucifixion, and vanished, said to have”Ascended into Heaven” - if no body was found, wouldn’t it make sense that he faded away to nothing like Wilbur Whatley did after his death? That adds to the idea that “Jesus” was a hybrid between a human and a Great Old One.

9 - Further on the subject of Jesus, he was said to be his son - but the Angels were also called the Sons of God - does this mean they were the Spawn of a Great Old One? Sure seems like it to me. Their behavior also lines up with this, in how they exist to serve their master and do his bidding.

10 - The Angels were described with inhuman and twisted features - such as one that was literally wheels covered in eyes and wings. Just like creatures spawning from Lovecraftian Horrors.

11 - He draws many parallels to Yog-Sothoth.

This passage about Yog-Sothoth:

“Yog-Sothoth knows the gate. Yog-Sothoth is the gate. Yog-Sothoth is the key and guardian of the gate. Past, present, future, all are one in Yog-Sothoth. He knows where the Old Ones broke through of old, and where They shall break through again. He knows where They have trod earth’s fields, and where They still tread them, and why no one can behold Them as They tread.”

and

“It was an All-in-One and One-in-All of limitless being and self—not merely a thing of one Space-Time continuum, but allied to the ultimate animating essence of existence’s whole unbounded sweep—the last, utter sweep which has no confines and which outreaches fancy and mathematics alike. It was perhaps that which certain secret cults of earth have whispered of as YOG-SOTHOTH, and which has been a deity under other names; that which the crustaceans of Yoggoth worship as the Beyond-One, and which the vaporous brains of the spiral nebula know by an untranslatable Sign…”

And verses describing God from his book:

Revelation 22:13 "I am the Alpha and the Omega, the first and the last, the beginning and the end.“

Revelation 1:8 "I am the Alpha and the Omega,” says the Lord God, “who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty.”

God and Yog-Sothoth both come from Arabic origin, so the lore matches up as well.

Yog-Sothoth AND God both impregnated a human woman in their texts.

Yog-Sothoth siring twins, and Mary having a single child.

12 - His followers have their own book like the Necronomicon. It is called the Bible… which translates to simply “The Book”. Like the Necronomicon, the Book is full of dangerous creatures, horrors beyond time, instructions for rituals and laws, and terrible dark tales that would make the sanest man cringe

If you have anything to add, feel free to! Again, no offense or harm is meant. I am not religious, but I have nothing against folks who are as long as they aren't hurting anybody.

[favorvn]

I'm curious to ask this... could z and mc have children or is that impossible?

Definitely possible to have children! In biblical times it was recorded that fallen angels or angels (it is debated which) came down to earth and took wives with humans they thought were attractive. They had children with these humans. Those humans came to be a powerful subset of human called "Nephilim". In the passages below "Nephilim" is translated into the word "Giants' but some Hebrew scholars suggest that it should be translated into the term 'fallen' (נופלים nophlim) instead, as the Hebrew nefilim means literally "the fallen ones".

(Disclaimer that in reality interpretations of this passage are hotly debated lol....but for Favor we are just going to use it as cannon)

(Note: 'Sons of God' is interpreted to be angels or fallen angels)

GENESIS 6: 1-4

"And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them, 2 That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose. 3 And the Lord said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years. 4 There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown."

So yeah, it is possible to have children who may or may not grow up to have super-human abilities.... that you may or may not have to protect from an angel trying to banish them into hell. (This isn't in the game plotline of 'Favor' at all, just going off of what happens in biblical texts paired with the lore of Favor.)

[bookofkatherine]

Kingly Gift | An Aragorn Love Poem

What happens when Viggo Mortensen, a real-life king, kisses you and takes your breath away? You write him a love poem, that's what.

Monday, August 26, 2024, 11:53 p.m.

Dear Aragorn,

There is a kiss - An unmistakable kiss - And it turns everything into a mist, Of superfine love and amethyst.

It forms from kingly brow, It tastes of yore brought now, And makes me wait, To stand more straight,

Until I feel our vow.

Passers by would never miss, A kiss made such as this, While I seem to miss, Only this, This one true gift,

Of his kiss.

Love,

Katherine

Note to readers: Viggo Mortensen was King Aragon a little over 1100 years ago. He has long life because he was born a nephilim - part human and part angel (some cultures call these angels 'gods'. Learn more in my first post.) He was such a good and God-fearing king that the Lord preserved the kingdom of Aragon. It stands independent in Spain, its language still intact.

Today he is known as Viggo Mortenson, but he dresses as Aragorn as he leads and trains my men and angels here at the Order's headquarters. He answers to both Viggo and Aragorn, but also Aragon.

His weapon is, in fact, a mighty sword from ancient times. It is a magic sword we discovered in the angelic city of Asgard (not to be confused with Marvel's Asgard, which was based on a whole otber world called Camelot that King Arthur moved to after the crusades). The city of Asgard is here on Earth. But we si.ply call it Stone City.

Built before the Fall, many magical artifacts we're left for us there for the final battle including the sword for Viggo Mortensen/ King Aragorn.

As for his kiss? It's better than the movies. I don't know if I'll ever capture his kisses in a poem, but I sure can try!

🌹Love!!!

[handgiven]

teensy forehead kiss from em to @sephaeroth hi <3

creation is also an act of destruction. when the creator made humans in their own image, they gave them the capacity for both. and create they did, and destroy they did, sometimes both at once, in a cycle without a beginning and and an end. sephiroth is one such creation, destroyed a little with a purpose, pruned and grown into his adult self, beautiful and terrifying, not quite human, not quite the angel they wanted him to be. something else. something wonderful. something lonely. an alien in a true sense of the word. emmanuel himself takes a little while to warm up to the idea of him. the nephilim he could handle, the fallen angels too. but this somehow became all the more personal. the image of an angel, a human creation, walking and talking and proud and ruined with the pride that isn't his own. a creature made for an illusion of grandeur, a false sense of superiority, a godly complex prevailed by the lowliest of men, willing to experiment with their own kind.

still, in the end, sephiroth is none of these things, none of these ideas, because he is more than just an idea, a living being, tall and mighty. and alone. assigned a purpose so much greater than himself. assigned a role of a divine thing, though he be but a child in the cosmic scheme of things. it takes emmanuel a while to be able to face him. to really see him for who he is. but when he does, the sight of him aches all the more profoundly. lonely figure in the moonlight. an idea of the angel, a last forgotten ray of the sun carries itself through the night and just about brushes past the other. a warm breath of a kiss on his forehead. an air of reassurance. a sliver of hope amidst all else.

don't be lonely. a child of the universe itself may never be lonely in the lap of its mother. you are beloved, as all the other living things. don't be lonely, you are not alone.

[legend-collection]

Nephilim

The Nephilim are mysterious beings or people in the Hebrew Bible who are described as being large and strong. The word Nephilim is loosely translated as giants in most translations of the Hebrew Bible, but left untranslated in others. Some Jewish explanations interpret them as hybrid sons of fallen angels (demigods).

The main reference to them is in Genesis 6:1–4, but the passage is ambiguous and the identity of the Nephilim is disputed. According to the Book of Numbers 13:33, a report from ten of the Twelve Spies was given of them inhabiting Canaan at the time of the Israelite conquest of Canaan.

A similar or identical biblical Hebrew term, read as "Nephilim" by some scholars, or as the word "fallen" by others, appears in the Book of Ezekiel 32:27 and is also mentioned in the deuterocanonical books Judith 16:6, Sirach 16:7, Baruch 3:26–28, and Wisdom 14:6.

Etymology

The Brown-Driver-Briggs Lexicon (1908) gives the meaning of Nephilim as "giants", and holds that proposed etymologies of the word are "all very precarious". Many suggested interpretations are based on the assumption that the word is a derivative of Hebrew verbal root n-p-l "fall." Robert Baker Girdlestone argued in 1871 the word comes from the hif'il causative stem, implying that the Nephilim are to be perceived as 'those that cause others to fall down'. Ronald Hendel states that it is a passive form: 'ones who have fallen', grammatically analogous to paqid 'one who is appointed' (i.e., a deputy or overseer), asir 'one who is bound' (i.e., a prisoner), etc.

The majority of ancient biblical translations – including the Septuagint, Theodotion, Latin Vulgate, Samaritan Targum, Targum Onkelos, and Targum Neofiti – interpret the word to mean "giants". Symmachus translates it as "the violent ones" and Aquila's translation has been interpreted to mean either "the fallen ones" or "the ones falling [upon their enemies]."

In the Hebrew Bible, there are three interconnected passages referencing the nephilim. Two of them come from the Pentateuch. The first occurrence is in Genesis 6:1–4, immediately before the account of Noah's Ark. Genesis 6:4 reads as follows:

Where the Jewish Publication Society's translation simply transliterates the Hebrew nephilim as "Nephilim", the King James Version translates the term as "giants".

The nature of the Nephilim is complicated by the ambiguity of Genesis 6:4, which leaves it unclear whether they are the "sons of God" or their offspring who are the "mighty men of old, men of renown". Richard Hess takes it to mean that the Nephilim are the offspring, as does P. W. Coxon.

The second is Numbers 13:32–33, where ten of the Twelve Spies report that they have seen fearsome giants in Canaan:

Outside the Pentateuch there is one more passage indirectly referencing nephilim and this is Ezekiel 32:17–32. Of special significance is Ezekiel 32:27, which contains a phrase of disputed meaning. With the traditional vowels added to the text in the medieval period, the phrase is read gibborim nophlim ("'fallen warriors" or "fallen Gibborim"), although some scholars read the phrase as gibborim nephilim ("Nephilim warriors" or "warriors, Nephilim"). According to Ronald S. Hendel, the phrase should be interpreted as "warriors, the Nephilim" in a reference to Genesis 6:4. The verse as understood by Hendel reads:

Brian R. Doak, on the other hand, proposes to read the term as the Hebrew verb "fallen" , not a use of the specific term "Nephilim", but still according to Doak a clear reference to the Nephilim tradition as found in Genesis.

Interpretations:

Giants

Most of the contemporary English translations of Genesis 6:1–4 and Numbers 13:33 render the Hebrew nefilim as "giants". This tendency in turn stems from the fact that one of the earliest translations of the Hebrew Bible, the Septuagint, composed in the 3rd or 2nd century BCE, renders the said word as gigantes. The choice made by the Greek translators has been later adopted into the Latin translation, the Vulgate, compiled in the 4th or 5th century CE, which uses the transcription of the Greek term rather than the literal translation of the Hebrew nefilim. From there, the tradition of the giant progeny of the sons of God and the daughters of men spread to later medieval translations of the Bible.

The decision of the Greek translators to render the Hebrew nefilim as Greek gigantes is a separate matter. The Hebrew nefilim means literally "the fallen ones" and the strict translation into Greek would be peptokotes, which in fact appears in the Septuagint of Ezekiel 32:22–27. It seems then that the authors of Septuagint wished not only to simply translate the foreign term into Greek, but also to employ a term which would be intelligible and meaningful for their Hellenistic audiences. Given the complex meaning of the nefilim which emerged from the three interconnected biblical passages (human–divine hybrids in Genesis 6, autochthonous people in Numbers 13 and ancient warriors trapped in the underworld in Ezekiel 32), the Greek translators recognized some similarities. First and foremost, both nefilim and gigantes were liminal beings resulting from the union of the opposite orders and as such retained the unclear status between the human and divine. Similarly dim was their moral designation and the sources witnessed to both awe and fascination with which these figures must have been looked upon. Secondly, both were presented as impersonating chaotic qualities and posing some serious danger to gods and humans. They appeared either in the prehistoric or early historical context, but in both cases they preceded the ordering of the cosmos. Lastly, both gigantes and nefilim were clearly connected with the underworld and were said to have originated from earth, and they both end up closed therein.

In 1 Enoch, they were "great giants, whose height was three hundred cubits". A cubit being 18 inches (46 cm), this would make them 450 feet (140 m) tall.

The Quran refers to the people of Ād in Quran 26:130 whom the prophet Hud declares to be like jabbarin (Hebrew: gibborim), probably a reference to the Biblical Nephilim. The people of Ād are said to be giants, the tallest among them 100 ft (30 m) high. However, according to Islamic legend, the ʿĀd were not wiped out by the flood, since some of them had been too tall to be drowned. Instead, God destroyed them after they rejected further warnings. After death, they were banished into the lower layers of hell.

Fallen angels

All early sources refer to the "sons of heaven" as angels. From the third century BCE onwards, references are found in the Enochic literature, the Dead Sea Scrolls (the Genesis Apocryphon, the Damascus Document, 4Q180), Jubilees, the Testament of Reuben, 2 Baruch, Josephus, and the book of Jude (compare with 2 Peter 2). For example: 1 Enoch 7:2 "And when the angels, (3) the sons of heaven, beheld them, they became enamoured of them, saying to each other, Come, let us select for ourselves wives from the progeny of men, and let us beget children." Some Christian apologists, such as Tertullian and especially Lactantius, shared this opinion.

The earliest statement in a secondary commentary explicitly interpreting this to mean that angelic beings mated with humans can be traced to the rabbinical Targum Pseudo-Jonathan and it has since become especially commonplace in modern Christian commentaries. This line of interpretation finds additional support in the text of Genesis 6:4, which juxtaposes the sons of God (male gender, divine nature) with the daughters of men (female gender, human nature). From this parallelism it could be inferred that the sons of God are understood as some superhuman beings.

The New American Bible commentary draws a parallel to the Epistle of Jude and the statements set forth in Genesis, suggesting that the Epistle refers implicitly to the paternity of Nephilim as heavenly beings who came to earth and had sexual intercourse with women. The footnotes of the Jerusalem Bible suggest that the biblical author intended the Nephilim to be an "anecdote of a superhuman race".

Some Christian commentators have argued against this view, citing Jesus's statement that angels do not marry. Others believe that Jesus was only referring to angels in heaven.

Evidence cited in favor of the fallen angels interpretation includes the fact that the phrase "the sons of God" ("sons of the gods") is used twice outside of Genesis chapter 6, in the Book of Job (1:6 and 2:1) where the phrase explicitly references angels. The Septuagint manuscript Codex Alexandrinus reading of Genesis 6:2 renders this phrase as "the angels of God" while Codex Vaticanus reads "sons".

Targum Pseudo-Jonathan identifies the Nephilim as Shemihaza and the angels in the name list from 1 Enoch.

Second Temple Judaism

The story of the Nephilim is further elaborated in the Book of Enoch. The Greek, Aramaic, and main Ge'ez manuscripts of 1 Enoch and Jubilees obtained in the 19th century and held in the British Museum and Vatican Library, connect the origin of the Nephilim with the fallen angels, and in particular with the egrḗgoroi (watchers). Samyaza, an angel of high rank, is described as leading a rebel sect of angels in a descent to earth to have sexual intercourse with human females:

In this tradition, the children of the Nephilim are called the Elioud, who are considered a separate race from the Nephilim, but they share the fate of the Nephilim.

Some believe the fallen angels who begat the Nephilim were cast into Tartarus (2 Peter 2:4, Jude 1:6) (Greek Enoch 20:2), a place of "total darkness". An interpretation is that God granted ten percent of the disembodied spirits of the Nephilim to remain after the flood, as demons, to try to lead the human race astray until the final Judgment.

In addition to Enoch, the Book of Jubilees (7:21–25) also states that ridding the Earth of these Nephilim was one of God's purposes for flooding the Earth in Noah's time. These works describe the Nephilim as being evil giants.

There are also allusions to these descendants in the deuterocanonical books of Judith (16:6), Sirach (16:7), Baruch (3:26–28), and Wisdom of Solomon (14:6), and in the non-deuterocanonical 3 Maccabees (2:4).

The New Testament Epistle of Jude (14–15) cites from 1 Enoch 1:9, which many scholars believe is based on Deuteronomy 33:2. To most commentators this confirms that the author of Jude regarded the Enochic interpretations of Genesis 6 as correct; however, others have questioned this.

Descendants of Seth and Cain

References to the offspring of Seth rebelling from God and mingling with the daughters of Cain are found from the second century CE onwards in both Christian and Jewish sources (e.g., Rabbi Shimon bar Yochai, Augustine of Hippo, Sextus Julius Africanus, and the Letters attributed to St. Clement). It is also the view expressed in the modern canonical Amharic Ethiopian Orthodox Bible: Henok 2:1–3 "and the Offspring of Seth, who were upon the Holy Mount, saw them and loved them. And they told one another, 'Come, let us choose for us daughters from Cain's children; let us bear children for us.'"

Orthodox Judaism has taken a stance against the idea that Genesis 6 refers to angels or that angels could intermarry with men. Shimon bar Yochai pronounced a curse on anyone teaching this idea. Rashi and Nachmanides followed this. Pseudo-Philo (Biblical Antiquities 3:1–3) may also imply that the "sons of God" were human. Consequently, most Jewish commentaries and translations describe the Nephilim as being from the offspring of "sons of nobles", rather than from "sons of God" or "sons of angels". This is also the rendering suggested in the Targum Onqelos, Symmachus and the Samaritan Targum, which read "sons of the rulers", where Targum Neophyti reads "sons of the judges".

Likewise, a long-held view among some Christians is that the "sons of God" were the formerly righteous descendants of Seth who rebelled, while the "daughters of men" were the unrighteous descendants of Cain, and the Nephilim the offspring of their union. This view, dating to at least the 1st century CE in Jewish literature as described above, is also found in Christian sources from the 3rd century if not earlier, with references throughout the Clementine literature, as well as in Sextus Julius Africanus, Ephrem the Syrian, and others. Holders of this view have looked for support in Jesus' statement that "in those days before the flood they [humans] were ... marrying and giving in marriage" (Matthew 24:38, emphasis added).

Some individuals and groups, including St. Augustine, John Chrysostom, and John Calvin, take the view of Genesis 6:2 that the "Angels" who fathered the Nephilim referred to certain human males from the lineage of Seth, who were called sons of God probably in reference to their prior covenant with Yahweh (cf. Deuteronomy 14:1; 32:5); according to these sources, these men had begun to pursue bodily interests, and so took wives of "the daughters of men", e.g., those who were descended from Cain or from any people who did not worship God.

This also is the view of the Ethiopian Orthodox Church, supported by their own Ge'ez manuscripts and Amharic translation of the Haile Selassie Bible—where the books of 1 Enoch and Jubilees, counted as canonical by this church, differ from western academic editions. The "Sons of Seth view" is also the view presented in a few extra-biblical, yet ancient works, including Clementine literature, the 3rd century Cave of Treasures, and the c. 6th century Ge'ez work The Conflict of Adam and Eve with Satan. In these sources, these offspring of Seth were said to have disobeyed God, by breeding with the Cainites and producing wicked children "who were all unlike", thus angering God into bringing about the Deluge, as in the Conflict:

Arguments from culture and mythology

In Aramaic culture, the term niyphelah refers to the Constellation of Orion and nephilim to the offspring of Orion in mythology. However the Brown–Driver–Briggs lexicon notes this as a "dubious etymology" and "all very precarious".

J. C. Greenfield mentions that "it has been proposed that the tale of the Nephilim, alluded to in Genesis 6 is based on some of the negative aspects of the Apkallu tradition." The apkallu in Sumerian mythology were seven legendary culture heroes from before the Flood, of human descent, but possessing extraordinary wisdom from the gods, and one of the seven apkallu, Adapa, was therefore called "son of Ea" the Babylonian god, despite his human origin.

Arabian paganism

Fallen angels were believed by Arab pagans to be sent to earth in form of men. Some of them mated with humans and gave rise to hybrid children. As recorded by Al-Jahiz, a common belief held that Abu Jurhum, the ancestor of the Jurhum tribe, was actually the son of a disobedient angel and a human woman.

Fossil remains

Alleged discoveries of Nephilim remains have been a common source of hoaxing and misidentification.

In 1577, a series of large bones discovered near Lucerne were interpreted as the bones of an antediluvian giant about 5.8 m (19 ft) tall. In 1786, Johann Friedrich Blumenbach found out that these remains belonged to a mammoth. Cotton Mather believed that fossilized leg bones and teeth discovered near Albany, New York, in 1705, were the remains of nephilim who perished in a great flood. Paleontologists have identified these as mastodon remains.

[xatsperesso]

Dantalion, demon teacher in Babyls (M!IK) And also Dantalion, Nephilim and Grand Duke of Hell (Makai Ouji) (he speaks to the human main character here, yes he's in love with him)

Two faces of a same demon in two different universes XD

On The Makai Ouji Wiki, in the Demonology section, about Dantalion, we can read:

"""The seventy-first spirit is Dantalion. He is a Duke Great and Mighty, appearing in the of a man with many countenances, all men’s and women’s Faces; and he hath a book in his right hand. His office is to teach all arts and sciences unto any; and to declare the counsel of any one; for he knoweth the thoughts of all men and women, and can change them at his will. He can cause love, and show the similitude of any person, and show the same by a vision, let them be in what part of the world they will. He governeth 36 legions of spirits; and this is his seal, which wear thou"""

Very interesting =)

Oh how interesting

A demon of several faces who can control your thoughts and give you knowledge beyond your understanding. Sounds terrifying, and exciting.

And a quick search shows me that our dear dali looks nothing like the demon described, and neither does the other dantalion whom i am now interested in and want to read his manga

How very interesting indeed :)

[mybeautifulchristianjourney]

Who Were the Nephilim by Ken Ham

(note: I have not yet read this article and do not necessarily agree or disagree with Ham's conclusions about the Nephilim. I merely find it an interesting subject and wanted to share - Fred, YDI)

I’m sure this post will get me into “trouble.” I find this is a very emotional issue for some and often some Christian’s views of eschatology and Genesis 6 are intricately intertwined. I find there are certain topics where people passionately (sometimes aggressively) respond, and no doubt this will be one of them. But all of us need our thinking to be challenged.

So I swallow hard, and here goes, let’s talk about Nephilim! I’ve been asked about my views many times, so I decided to give them. Of course, sometimes people ask for my views on something so I give them, and then they get upset with me.

Genesis 6:1–4 has been a much-debated passage. Christian scholars have taken a number of different positions on what these verses mean. As this section doesn’t impinge on any major doctrines, the ministry of Answers in Genesis doesn’t take an official position on the identity of the Nephilim, but speakers and researchers have their own personally preferred positions. The position I personally lean towards is given below, as I have done my best to negotiate through these verses, including reading many different scholars’ commentaries on these verses. Remember, God has put these verses in Scripture for our learning, so there must be an important reason for them to be included.

The context of these verses is to relay the extent to which wickedness had come to prevail on the earth. One of the ways this happened has something to do with people marrying. I like to take as straightforward an interpretation as possible without trying to complicate things (e.g., Proverbs 8:8-9, 2 Corinthians 4:2).

It seems to me the simplest explanation is that the line of Seth (which could have been referred to as “sons of God” because they were godly and called upon the name of the Lord) started marrying the line of Cain (the “daughters of men”—women who were beautiful but ungodly). Such mixing of spiritual light and darkness destroys families. We see a warning of this with the godly Israelites entering into ungodly Canaan, e.g., Deuteronomy 7:1–4, 1 Kings 11:2. In the New Testament, we are also warned in 2 Corinthians 6:14: "Do not be unequally yoked with unbelievers. For what partnership has righteousness with lawlessness? Or what fellowship has light with darkness?" Malachi was warning about such marriages (godly and ungodly) in Malachi chapter 2.

Because of the sin nature of every human being, such mixing could easily lead to increasing ungodliness. As an example, that was the case of wise and godly King Solomon who was led into idolatry and sin by his pagan wives (1 Kings 11:1-11, Nehemiah 13:26). Therefore, God judged him. That should be a stern warning for us to ensure we obey God’s rules in regard to marriage and the training of children.

Associated with all this is the mention of Nephilim. We read, "The Nephilim were on the earth in those days, and also afterward, when the sons of God came in to the daughters of man and they bore children to them. These were the mighty men who were of old, the men of renown." (Genesis 6:4)

Who were the Nephilim? Certainly, the description may imply that they were of great stature (perhaps giants in the build of their bodies), greatly feared, and were well known, presumably for extreme wickedness. Perhaps they were certain individuals of the offspring resulting from this mixing of “the sons of God” and the “daughters of man” who became extremely evil. An interesting point concerning the Nephilim is the phrase, and also afterward. It seems this is referring to after the flood, as Nephilim are mentioned once again in Numbers 13:33 (though it is spelled differently in Hebrew): "And there we saw the Nephilim (the sons of Anak, who come from the Nephilim), and we seemed to ourselves like grasshoppers, and so we seemed to them" (Numbers 13:33). The Nephilim in Numbers 13 were indeed giant in stature as the text indicates.

By the time of the flood there was so much ungodliness that God describes it this way:

“The LORD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every intention of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually. And the LORD regretted that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him to his heart. So the LORD said, “I will blot out man whom I have created from the face of the land, man and animals and creeping things and birds of the heavens, for I am sorry that I have made them.” But Noah found favor in the eyes of the LORD.” (Genesis 6:5–8).

So certainly, the first four verses of Genesis 6 are a lead up to this situation of rampant wickedness. Personally I can’t accept as some do that wicked angels mated with humans. Angels don’t reproduce and don’t have human DNA. To me it makes a much more logical and simpler explanation that when godly and ungodly mix in marriage, it doesn’t take long for the godly legacy to be lost! Thus, by the time of Noah there was extreme wickedness.

But, regardless of the position one takes on understanding these particular verses, it is certainly a warning from God as to what happens when sin is allowed to rule over us. It’s a reminder to make sure we raise up godly generations who call upon the name of the Lord and have boldness and courage to stand for God and his Word without compromise.

All the way through Scripture we read of examples where the people of God compromised God’s Word with the pagan beliefs of the nations around them and it destroyed them, and God judged them for it. We also see examples of where the people of God married ungodly people and it destroyed families. This has been a problem since the beginning. It’s another reminder to know God’s Word, obey what he instructs us to do and be aware of how sin is crouching at the door for each one of us to destroy us.

[strongheartmaid]

Cue the Whale Weekly meta

when though, according to Genesis, the angels indeed consorted with the daughters of men, the devils also, add the uncanonical Rabbins, indulged in mundane amours.

Rabbin - an archaic way of saying rabbi. https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/rabbin

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rabbi

the angels consorting with the daughters of men gets mentioned in the bible - Gen 6:1-4 is one of the referenced points (the resulting offspring are called Nephilim. Those of you that have played the video game Diablo might recognize this term) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nephilim

For those interested, Gen 6:1-4: https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Genesis%206%3A1-4&version=KJV 

6 And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them,2 That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.3 And the Lord said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.4 There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.

blown-off Japanese junks

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Junk_(ship) - more of a Chinese thing than Japanese. Possibly Melville was mixing up Asian boats. 

that Beelzebub himself might climb up the side and step down into the cabin to chat with the captain

Beelzebub - Can we foreshadow that Ahab is evil any bloody harder? Beelzebub is used as another name for Satan. But Beelzebub also operates as his own demon. “The Lord of Flies”. Lord of Gluttony and Envy. One of the Seven Deadlies. 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beelzebub

[thegenxorcist]

Nephilim

The book of Genesis contains some of the most famous origin myths in Western culture: God's creation of the heavens and Earth, Adam and Eve eating the forbidden fruit in the Garden of Eden, and God commanding Noah to collect two of every animal to survive the great flood.

But hidden among these better-known stories is an intriguing and somewhat confounding account of fallen angels and a race of superhuman giants roaming Earth.

In the original Hebrew, the term for these giants and "mighty men" is Nephilim, which is derived from the Hebrew word naphal meaning "to fall." In that sense, this race of giants, born of unholy unions between divine "sons of God" (i.e., angelic beings) and mortal "daughters of men" (i.e., human females) are better translated as "the fallen ones."

Who Were the Nephilim, the Bible's Mysterious Race of Giants?

[sapphyreopal5]

(Supernatural) The Bad Place = Jotunheim

Hello, my name is Ellie. I'm a psychic whose methods of divination mainly involve a pendulum and printable ABC chart. The information I present in my posts that aren't readily available through physical means such as scholarly texts, books, etc. I obtain through divination in order to elaborate more on my personal observations, beliefs, experiences, etc. In this particular post, I am going to show the connection between the CW show's "The Bad Place" and Jotunheim in Norse Mythology and Cosmology.

Jotunheim in Norse Mythology and Religion

According to Norse Mythology and religious texts, Innangard, which in Old Norse means "within the enclosure", is described as "orderly, law abiding, and civilized". On the other hand, Jotunheim, which is also sometimes called Utangard meaning "beyond the closure", is described as being "chaotic, wild, and anarchic". In the Eddas (Norse manuscripts), the homes of giants are described as deep, dark forests and also caves in mountainous peaks where winter never seems to end. Overall, the homes of the giants are thought of as being inhospitable and grim.

Jotunheim Connections to Other Texts

In some other texts, Jotunheim has been unknowingly described. I do dare say this: the beings that the writers of the Bible and others have "spoken with" and "heard" are collectively called The Seers, as deities have been collectively calling themselves to me since I started getting into pendulum divination in 2021. Including in this list of beings are deities. In Norse mythology, the Vanir are a race of deities who are responsible for wealth, fertility, and commerce. Interestingly enough, the Vanir are also associated with their gifts of prophecy and magic. And no, they aren't into sacrifices as portrayed on Supernatural's 1x11 "Scarecrow".

In terms of The Bible, some verses mention specific stars, star clusters, and even constellations. Included in this list of cosmic bodies are Arcturus in Bootes, Pleiades in Taurus, and the constellation Orion. One verse that is in the book Job refers to God's ability to control the weather and discusses this in chapter 38 of the book Job, specifically Job 38:31 which in the King James Bible is written as "Canst thou bind the sweet influences of Pleiades, or loose the bands of Orion?"

According to the website Bible Study Tools, the sweet influences of The Pleiades is a reference to the rise of the Pleiades as it coincides with the arrival of spring. The rise of Orion on the other hand is said to coincides with the arrival of winter which brings ice, snow and wind. Orion "binds" or bands together the Earth in the sense that plants do not grow in winter and people and animals are huddling more to stay warm. As Odin told me as I'm writing this today, "The writers of The Bible partially heard seers speaking about the Norse cosmic realms, and what the weather is like on each of them".

Genesis 6:4 in the King Jane Bible states: "There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown." In short, they are the offspring of giants or "sons of God" and humans.

In Supernatural, the Nephilim including Jack Kline are described as the children of angels and humans. Interestingly enough, the constellation Orion is known as The Hunter in Astronomy and in Greek mythology was portrayed as a giant huntsman. I also dare to mention certain conspiracy theories discuss a race of supposedly evil, giant beings (at least compared to humans) called The Reptilians that are said to originate from Orion and are here as the world's Elites ruling everything.

Jotunheim/Utangard As Applied in Viking Society

During the Viking Age, in Scandinavia and Iceland, Viking society actually lacked a central law enforcement system and it was up to citizens to determine when a law was broken by people. Instead of declaring people guilty, they would call them outlaws. The outlaws would then lose their rights and no longer be considered citizens. As a result, they were sent to live in forests and caves "beyond the boundary".

To put the Old Norse Concepts of Utangard or Jotunheim and Innangard in layman's terms, fences serve the purpose of not only keeping say pets or children within property lines but also to protect a given property from unwanted predators or people with malevolent intentions. Laws can also serve as an unseen boundary between law-abiding citizens and the lawless or outlaws.

Supernatural's "The Bad Place"

This place was first mentioned by the character named Kaia Nieves who is a dreamwalker. In Kaia's case, she physically dreamwalks to a place she calls "The Bad Place", where hostile, monstrous beings hunt and essentially everyone fends for themselves. Kaia is often questioned on where she gets her arm scars from, which her group therapist seems to assume she is cutting herself and is simply unwilling to talk about it.

The Bad Place in the show Supernatural is portrayed as a dark forested place where many monstrous creatures roam, including giant ones. The portrayal of many monstrous beings who behave in a chaotic, hostile manner including the giant matches the "deep, dark forests" part of description of the giants' home in Jotunheim. The Veil can be thought of as the fence between Innangard and Utangard.

In the 2011 Marvel movie "Thor" and in the comics, Jotunheim is described and portrayed as a cold, icy and snowy world with many mountains which matches the other description of the giants' homes in The Eddas regarding cold, mountainous peaks where winter never stops.

Purgatory = Earthly Utangard in the Viking Age

I'm choosing to also mention Purgatory as portrayed in Supernatural in this post because it seems based on how Utangard was seen in everyday life for the Vikings, this view or application of the concepts of Innangard and Utangard has some similarities to Purgatory versus the physical world in Supernatural. As mentioned earlier in this article, Viking society didn't have a central law enforcement. When people broke the law, they were no longer considered to be a civilian but instead an outlaw and sent to live in the forest or caves to fend for themselves. Outlaws were seen as chaotic, lawless, and anarchic.

In Catholicism, Purgatory is thought of as a place or a state where sinners suffer and are said to make amends and answer for their sins before leaving Purgatory and entering heaven.

In Supernatural, like in Viking society, Purgatory is portrayed as a big, dark forest where "monsters that look and once acted like civilized people live" as the Vikings viewed outlaws. In the sense of how the Vikings applied the concept of Utangard/Jotunheim, Purgatory in Supernatural fits this Viking view of Utangard as it applied to their every day life. The Veil can also be viewed as the boundary or fence between Purgatory and Midgard ("World of Man") or the physical world as we see it everyday (aka what we call Earth).

For Further Reading

https://norse-mythology.org/cosmology/the-nine-worlds/jotunheim/

https://www.sacred-texts.com/neu/poe/index.htm

https://norse-mythology.org/concepts/innangard-and-utangard/

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Job%2038&version=KJV

https://www.biblestudytools.com/commentaries/gills-exposition-of-the-bible/job-38-31.html

https://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/Bible-Verses-About-Nephilim/

https://www.newworldencyclopedia.org/entry/Vanir#Characteristics

[coffeeman777]

So i thought Nephilim (half-angel/human) were made up, but I found mention of them in the Bible Genesis 6 and what is the deal with them because I highly doubt they're angel/human hybrids

Yo!

So, I actually do take the position that the Nephilim are angel/human hybrids.

The passage from Genesis 6 reads:

"When man began to multiply on the face of the land and daughters were born to them, 2 the sons of God saw that the daughters of man were attractive. And they took as their wives any they chose. 3 Then the Lord said, “My Spirit shall not abide in man forever, for he is flesh: his days shall be 120 years.” 4 The Nephilim were on the earth in those days, and also afterward, when the sons of God came in to the daughters of man and they bore children to them. These were the mighty men who were of old, the men of renown."

There are several interpretations of this passage, and this isn't an essential element of the faith, so you're definitely free to disagree with me here. But following a number of scholars, including Dr. Michael Heiser, I believe this passage actually is talking about angels rebelling, coming to earth and taking a physical human form to mate with human women. Dr. Heiser has a lot of interesting stuff to say about it. His book, "The Unseen Realm" is really good. Also, he has a number of lectures available for free on YouTube. Here's a relevant full-length lecture. There are numerous shorter videos of Michael Heiser speaking on the same subject, as well as a some related documentaries.