#moonpaw discourse

[crystals-warriors-rewrite]

PPL R USING DA R-SLUR???!! I THOGUGJT WE STOPPED BEINF ABLEIST !!!!!

I thought so too :/

Apparently there are a few people using it against Moonpaw

[rookflower]

whichever one of us is a person first

[pigeonclaw]

the Changing Skies girlies

[bonefall]

i saw one design where they gave her what this person described as "a hapsburg jaw, because incest lol" and the way i physically recoiled

I am keeping a personal folder of fucked up shit people have been saying about Moonpaw (with the names of posters removed). Some of the things I've seen and screenshotted include;

A person hoping that Moonpaw "dies of inbreeding complications to make the Erins face the consequences of their actions." As if she's a real person the writing team has no control over?? The ink on the page is going to die of incest???

Open calls and wishes for a "mass extinction event" in ThunderClan because "we need to kill them off" for being too genetically unhealthy

Delight and revelry in the fact that Moonpaw's chimerism probably comes from inbreeding, often paired with conflating chimerism with mosaicism

LOTS of jokes about "ugly, misshapen, deformed" Moonpaw, some saying she would be mentally impaired, even comparing her to unethically bred animals because her parents are "practically siblings."

So forgive me for having a hunch that these people don't actually give a shit about the victims of incestuous abuse. I've got a feeling they just want an acceptable target to make ableist comments about. Something tells me they might not think eugenics isn't all too bad if it's done against populations they think are "actually" undesirable.

These jokes and comments are not fucking funny and the fact that some of these are the very top of the Moonpaw tag makes me sick. I NEVER want to hear these ghouls complain about the tangled family tree ever again if your reason for it being bad isn't because of intense social control or authorial carelessness, but because it might produce ugly and/or disabled people. Wither and rot.

[ashrimpnamedlauren]

If you are using Moonpaw's lineage as an excuse to be an ableist bigot.. As someone with Autism and Adhd, I'm going to say this as nicely as possible.

Get the fuck out. Unfollow, bye bye, leave my space. See you later.

We don't want you here.

[mallowstep]

Making a new post to put in the main tags but actually you can go ahead and fuck the hell off if you think that making fun of genetic differences is ever an acceptable thing to do & you can fuck the hell off even harder if you’re going to harass people who point that out

[the-owl-tree]

and that in turn allows an avenue for wc influencer/youtuber/uh idk. big account to just be able to make a platform off of wc fandom shit. you can be entirely disconnected from the books and still talk about them. fascinating.

i said it in my tags but i find it interesting that there are people who are not fans of the books but fans of the fandom and that in part is how they enjoy the community. very obviously this is not a wrong way to enjoy the community, i have friends who never read the books but love participating in wcrps, just a really interesting thing for me, someone who feels very disconnected from the community if i've not engaged at all with the source material.

[badgerstep]

anyway here’s a reminder that the I in RAINN stands for incest.

if you’re in crisis because the moonpaw discourse is triggering, please call or text someone at RAINN.

+1-800-656-HOPE (+1-800-656-4673)

i see you and i love you.

[wc-confessions]

i genuinely do not understand the chimera Moonpaw discourse. as far as i understand, chimeras can have split-face markings. "But not all chimera cats!" but if it's scientifically possible, then what's the problem?

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[everybody-loves-purdy]

this new family tree reveal might have been one of the stupidest I've ever seen. Tawnypelt is doing absolutely fuckall about reacting to having another set of grandkids (though from what I've gathered Poolkit and siblings didn't do much either, so at least it's consistent), Flipclaw and Myrtlebloom make their children literally the same amount of inbred as Moonpaw and we already had a whole discourse about That, they refuse to address Floatshimmer's age and instead just make her and Graysky have a Happy Little Family (despite how she's too young and the odd implications that it gives to Gray sadly enough), and WindClan is becoming a mess.

All of the young cats in that Clan are related. Appleshine and Woodsong are Breezeheather kits, but Whistlebreeze, Flutterfoot, Songleap, Grassfur, Branchleap, Learcurl, Stripeheart and Brookripple are all Sedgewhisker's grandchildren and now you're telling me Sedge had Two More Kittens?

And now Apple and Flutter had kittens together. There is no way WindClan isn't becoming the next target of first cousin pairings (I'm calling Grass with either Stripe or Brook, no matter how much I despise that idea) because all of their young cats are descended of one cat now.

They could've saved themselves so much trouble by making Fluff and Silky kittypets, or at least the kids of Slightfoot or someone else that ISN'T related to Gorsetail, but noooooooooooo.

We complain a lot that ShadowClan has become SnowbirdClan, but WindClan is basically becoming GorsetailClan at this rate and they don't have any unrelated mollies anymore. The HeatherBreeze kids are tied up in this mess too now and the only other one they had left to ThunderClan to nearly be cheated on. The only hope they have left is to get sole cats from outside to join not Tawnypelt please, but they're probably too irrelevant for them to actually have something interesting like that going on

I feel like the modern timeline series needs to end after changing skies before these cats inbreed themselves to death. I know inbreeding is inevitable in these kinds of populations but still maybe the Erins could, oh I don’t know, stop putting first cousins together and actually utilise clan swapping and the outsiders joining the clans. Is that too much to ask?

[blazingmicah-wc]

so has moonpaw been turned into a black/ cream cat bc of the discourse over her chimerism [since she is described as pale=dilute]?? if so then that would be cool but it could just be "oh the reflection is pale cos of the water!!!!!!!!

[raspberry-gloaming]

Not to warrior cats post in the year 2024 but i return to see what on earth is happening in that fandom every so often as ive got a soft spot, it being my first fandom.

And i pop in to see - ah, discourse. um so ignoring that here's what i imagine Moonpaw to maybe look like based on genetics of her parents, i used the sparrows-garden kitten generator and put in stuff of her parents to get these 3 kits - im thinking that Moonpaw is a chimera of the first two, making her a short and long haired chimera which is fun, and a non-absorbed brother. Please note i had a cat genetics phase back in the day but that was years ago now so idk this is probably wrong, and i manipulated stuff to give me a desired result (such as how ive seen a lot of people saying Moonpaw would be dilute as both her parents are dilute (which is recessive) so i made Bayfire homozygous not dilute, and instead wide band with non-silver inhibitor, which also results in a golden cat which allowed any kits to be non-dilute). (:

[skyclan-funny-name-squad]

I'm just gonna be blunt if you start defending the very ableist fandom treatment of Moonpaw in the replies im just gonna delete it, I do not want that energy

my opinion at the end of the day about all discourse forever really boils down to people are allowed to do things i think are in poor taste, but im also allowed to go "hey thats kinda fucked? dont do that? i do not not think you should be doing that" in response as long as I don't cross the line into harassment, especially when its about harmful stereotypes to stigmatized groups.

[bonefall]

Moonpaw discourse summary

[jewishdainix]

please i am not in the warrior cats fandom explain what is going on with moonpaw. is it a cat thing or a story thing im not understanding.

I'm not keepping up with warrior cats either so keep in mind all of this os second hand informatiom but basically Moonpaw is a character from the next arc

Thing number 1)

She is a chimera and has heterochromia. Problem is? Her design is based on this cat

Who is not actually a chimera!

Thing number 2)

People are being really ableist towards the character. Appreantly her parents are cousins or something( Not new in warrior cats at all and also happens in real life with animals all the tiiime please spay and neuter your cats and pets in genral!) and people are saying shes a chimera because of the inbreeding (not how chimerism works) and using ableist language, the r-slur and basically exposing that they believe in eugenics.

Because of hints said by the writers about a prophecy concerning two cats. Some people have been interpeting it as the two cats that fused into moonpaw (which is actually almosy exactly like fanfic I daydreamed in like fourth grade isnt that wild?) so people have been predicting/headcanoning taht manifesting as "hearing voices" or DID/plurality.

Thing number 3 (aka the thing that actually matters) (aka the fanon) (aka why I love her so much):

Fans headcanon her as intersex. Fans have headcanoned her as a system. (Both extremely iffy, but I like them because theyre a part of the drama and terribleness of this character. Which is a big part why Im obssessed with her). As a lesbian. And DATING THE MAGIC POOL. YURIOUSLY.

Tldr; in classic warrior cats fashion a character was not thoguht out well, in classic fandom fashion the fandom reacted with ableism, discourse, and fanonising the character, and I am abseloutly OBSSESSED. And she's dating a pool

[runn1ngn0se]

Can somebody please explain the whole “Moonpaw isn’t a real chimera” discourse going on rn?