#techno crit

[royalarchivist]

Wilbur: Who's the lucky- who's the lucky lady, who's Missa, what's she like?

Phil: It's a dude. *laughs*

Wilbur: Phil, you didn't tell me you were bi, and also polyamorous.

Phil: Definitely not.

Wilbur: What does Kri- what does Kristin think of your- of your... husband?

Phil: SHE'S NOT CANON IN THIS UNIVERSE! And we- and it's not like that, it's not like that- it's uh, we're- it's platonic, we're just dude's hanging out protecting an egg-

Wilbur: Who's the top?

Phil:

[tobi-smp]

I just feel like there's an inherent difference from tommy calling wilbur crazy while he watches his brother, his stability, spiral in front of him. desperate and scared, no idea how to help him, but wanting more than anything to Try, to never let go. trying to do anything to stop wilbur from hurting himself, from hurting anybody else, while wilbur actively tries to convince him that he's already too far gone to be helped. choosing wilbur again and again and again.

and technoblade calling wilbur crazy while actively agreeing with everything wilbur wanted to do. no qualms with him wanting to blow up the country or kill people just thinking he's being too mentally ill about it.

both of them were hurtful to wilbur undeniably, tommy probably more so even. but as the audience we should be able to recognize that these aren't on the same level or coming from the same place right.

[aro-throughyourchest]

why does the dsmp fandom have such a black and white view of characters and if they don’t fit that criteria, they’re too complex of a character to enjoy and if they do but you like them, they’re Actually Not That Bad or Someone’s Lying and why are there like four people who actually fit the criteria of morally grey which just means Villain but Hot

c!tommy is either a hero or a villain, c!jack is either a tragic hero or a monster, c!sam is

do you see the picture

[cmyknoise]

So.

With c!Wilbur’s apologies to c!Techno, and Techno’s claims of being lied to about Pogtopia’s plans on reinstating L’manburg as a country, and how he was betrayed. Let me remind you of a moment. 

A conversation between c!Techno and c!BBH which occurred before Tubbo and Quackity told Techno about their plans on reinstating the L’manburg government, and before there was a war, and most certainly before this ‘surprise’ betrayal of them reinstating a government and assigning a president. 

Badboyhalo was talking to Technoblade about the Badlands. He was talking about if Techno would be okay with an anarchist group [the Badlands], and questioned what Techno’s plans are. 

Techno states that he’s fine with an anarchy, that he’s not okay with killing cats, and then he states this;

"I want to leave a smoking crater from which not only will Manberg never recover, but from which no new country can rise in its place. History will FORGET that a country ever existed in this area."

Again. This is before each and every excuse c!Techno has given to Tommy, Wilbur, Quackity, Tubbo, literally everyone, on why he’d set withers on this place. 

He claims he was betrayed by them reinstating government. He claims that Wilbur had lied to him and that he didn’t know about them planning to reinstate L’manburg. Despite evidence of Quackity and Tubbo literally telling him.

But maybe you can brush it off on he wasn’t listening, or he didn’t take them seriously. 

But this absolutely proves that he was planning on blowing this place up regardless of whether they reinstated government or not. This is evidence is before Quackity and Tubbo tell him. This is before the war. This is before the betrayal. He was already planning on blowing the place to smithereens even before Dream had offered and egged him on. He was never going to let this place go peacefully. He was never going to give a new government a chance of being peaceful. It was deemed corrupt before it's creation.

And this behavior is repeated with Doomsday when Tommy works with him. In his To-Do List, he had always had 'destroy L’manburg' listed at the top. Every time Tommy would say he didn’t want to destroy L’manburg, or said he just wanted his discs he didn’t want revenge, Techno would change subjects until he stopped bringing it up all together (vocally, to Tommy. visually he’d highlight the destroy line in the list to chat every time he opened up the book). 

It didn’t matter, it would have never mattered. Doomsday was going to happen no matter what. Dream planned on destroying the place, Techno planned on destroying the place. There would have been no way to convince them otherwise, and Tommy had tried every time it was brought up. It just so happened that a perfect opportunity and cover arose for it to happen then and there.

Tommy’s “betrayal” of Techno by siding with Tubbo (mind you, he’d done so because he realized he no longer wanted to play this cycle of revenge, and he didn’t want to be a bad person, and he didn’t want to hurt his best friend. He chose Tubbo over Techno, just as Techno would’ve chosen Phil over everything in the same situation). 

Tommy’s “betrayal” of Techno was used as a scapegoat reasoning for his destruction, turning a plan that would’ve happened no matter what, into a ‘lesson’ to be ‘taught’ and an ‘act’ of ‘revenge’. 

This is exactly the same as what happened on November 16th. Wilbur was the only official ‘traitor’ to L’manburg deemed by Dream, as Wilbur had been the one on this spiral and dead set plan to blow the place up, egged on and encouraged by Dream. He had no idea about withers, or that Techno had betrayed them in the first place until recently. He had no idea. He still doesn't even know they had a part in Doomsday. He still thinks it was all his fault.

Techno on the other hand, had known before there could have even been talks of betrayal, or before Wilbur could have even ‘lied’ to him. His mind was already made up. 

Pogtopia’s “betrayal” of Techno was used as a scapegoat reasoning for his deadset plans of destruction, that was planned far in advance of the war. 

They are scapegoats that he still uses to this day, and has even built upon adding details such as adding that Wilbur and Tommy had deliberately lied to him, or had deliberately tried to hurt him, which is simply false. In both of these situations, he’s planned from the beginning what he had wanted to do, regardless of how these “betrayals” made him feel. 

***This post is tagged appropriately with critical tags, so if you don’t want to see or hear c!techno critical, you should block the tags. This isn’t a post for debate or argument, it’s an analysis and well, critical post. That’s the point. Thank you. 💛

[watchthekittycatcher]

ngl i think "until I end up dead" was Lowkey distasteful and weird

[apollos-boyfriend]

i think the funniest part about people constantly shoving c!purpled in with bench trio because “they’re all minors so they have something in common ^_^” is that, canonically, c!purpled has more common with c!hbomb than basically any other character

[ctommymybeloved]

every time c!Tommy and c!Techno have a big confrontation, it feels like c!techno is there giving his reasons or voicing his opinions and having his big speeches without listening to c!tommy at all, completely ignoring what he tries to tell him. it's like c!tommy is trying to have a conversation while c!techno is.... not.

idk, I'm basically referring to Nov 16 and doomsday honestly.

the thing is, later, in the fandom, the big poignant lines that prevail and make it to animations or things like that are ones like: "You want to be a hero Tommy? Then die like one." or "I'm a person. [...] Disc aren't people.", but you rarely hear c!tommy's response, you never hear his "I'm not the hero. No one is the hero. We got L'manberg for each other." as c!techno spawns the withers or the actual conversation during doomsday and him replying "You are Techno, and so are we! The reason, the disc, is 'cause they were stolen from me, nothing is taken from you here, Techno." actually, that whole conversation breaks my heart. and c!toomy tells him time and time again to please listen to him.

c!tommy listens to c!techno and then tries to explain and reason with him, but it always ends up on deaf ears.

anyways, they're never coming back

[heliianth]

srry i think its saurr funny when ppl say ctechno is a prison abolitionist when he a) offered no comfort or opposition to cdreams treatment beyond it being cdream and b) stuck sam in there to starve and die. like i dont think ur pig is as anarchist as u want him to be sweaty

[bronzetomatoes]

what if the entirety of the DSMP was a shock collar stream where cc's got electrocuted when they retconned something

[areus-in-a-little-cave]

thinking of. the horrors

[tinapaysmp]

Just saw a post defending c!techno again, not feeling good.

Granted, I do think that he deserved a trial, but a war criminal being let off scott free all because he's retired will always put a bad taste in my mouth considering the country I grew up in and our history.

[thetimecrystal]

generation nord has some of the best music in critical role history

[aro-throughyourchest]

I saw a post, "Everyone blames everyone for the red festival except for C!Schlatt" and I agree but I feel like there's a point to be made about how hard it is to blame one single party and be right rather than blame complexities and avoid the Big Bad

Yeah, the Big Bad Wolf did terrible things and ate her grandmother, but maybe Little Red shouldn't have gone into the woods alone ://

maybe then you have to realize nothing could be done. and maybe then blaming a Big Bad doesn't matter because screaming doesn't matter Tubbo blew up the festival was ruined and Wilbur watched

I wonder if that runs through the minds of the characters. Who blames Schlatt, and who blames Wilbur and who blames Techno, and who blames Tubbo, and who blames Tommy and who blames themselves

[tsui-no-sora]

Respectfully, please tag your Quackity crit/neg. Thank you. (if this was written too formal to the point it sounds passive aggressive, im sorry that's not my intention)

When have I ever written Quackity crit or neg???? I'm literally in love with him and we are gonna have a winter wedding with mariachi and all (இ﹏இ`｡)

[imsosocold]

The DSMP fandom really does hold the concept of “ there are no bad actions, only bad groups of people” to their chests. 

[42frankee]

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