#the dreemurrs

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🐠 🐠 Last day of Mermay :')

[the-dreem]

Caught red handed

The Dreem part 3

Whats up guyssssss! I slightly changed Asriel's design as he has horns now (and I refuse to go back and change it so I'll probably give it some plot relevance) I really have no excuse for this to have taken 7 months to update; one episode take three days on ave to make so I will probably make two more this week.

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[sandersgrey]

Its become glaringly obvious too that Toriel nor Asgore only ever mention Chara once, and it fucking annoys me.

Asgore will mention "the day after my son died," "I just want to see my son again," but not one single mention of the human child that died under their care until you spare him, and then it's "The human child that fell here long ago." Which one, old man?

Maybe he's compartmentalizing to be able to kill other human children or he blames Chara on some level, but fuck. Asriel/Flowey is the only one who mentions Chara by name, and the monsters at the castle are the only other ones that mention them at all, even though Alphys clearly knows about them from the tapes...

Chara so obviously colors their life too. Toriel leaving and trying to save any children that fell in the ruins as an act of penance, taking Chara's body with her and burying them where we first fell, literally making Chara's death soften our fall. Asgore ruling from a throne room covered in Chara's golden flowers, keeping Chara's fucking casket in his basement with the other children- implying he wasn't gonna bury them? I'm just. I get that they couldnt say Chara's name or itd fuck up the plot twist of Frisk, but not even "my children-" or "the first human child- my human child" at the same time he talked about Asriel? Nothing?

No wonder Flowey kills Asgore when he offers to become your family with Toriel. The fucking hypocrisy.

[patchwork-crow-writes]

Regarding Ralsei's identity… the fact that his name is an anagram of Asriel makes me question whether he was "designed" by someone in-universe to resemble him in some form. People often dismiss this as out-of-universe symbolism of the player's attachment to Asriel. However, it's interesting to note that his mannerisms and even his sprite animations (like his giggling animation, which mirrors Toriel's) sometimes reflect Toriel more than Asriel. Also, remember how Susie comments, "Ralsei looks like your mom, right?" to Kris. His coaster design in Cyber World is also more similar to Toriel for some reason...

His entire form screams "Dreemurr Family", and not just "Asriel doppelganger" to me, almost as if he's been personally tailored to appeal to Kris. This isn't surprising, given how he seems far more attached to Kris than even Susie. (I'm leaning towards this being connected to Kris rather than the player, as our attachment typically leans towards Asriel, not Toriel.)

Though this idea is way more unsettling than the idea that he's consciously altering his form to "fit in" haha. And that could be the reason why Ralsei doesn't know what it's like to be himself – his entire being might be molded to be an effigy of Kris's family, a byproduct of either Kris's unconscious mind or another person's deliberate creation…

Yeah, I think you might be correct here, actually. Ralsei does have this maternal side to him, most particularly in the immediate aftermath of the Spamton NEO fight ("There, there" is such a mum thing to say, isn't it?) And his admonishments to Susie for drinking the tea too fast gives off big mom energy, as well! The Dreemurr I think of most in relation to Ralsei is in fact Asgore, on account of the fact that they are both male and enjoy activities you might consider "effeminate". They both also go above and beyond for the people they care about most, even at the expense of their own wellbeing. I'll grant you that Ralsei isn't quite as much of a wet lettuce as Deltarune Asgore is, but there are definitely similarities to be noted there!

With all of that in mind, an argument could be made that Ralsei is in fact some kind of mental amalgamate of the entire Dreemurr family. In fact, you can go further, and say that rather than him representing Kris's ideal form within that family, Ralsei instead represents the absolute platonic ideal of a loving family (i.e. the Dreemurrs pre-Dess's disappearance). Created to be the perfect brother, mother AND father figure, all at the same time. Almost tailor-made to try and grant Kris, and to a lesser extent Susie, the things they most seem to be missing right now.

As for the somewhat-romantic undertones of Ralsei's interactions with Kris, I think this too can actually be explained using the above. It seems to me a rather childish interpretation of the notion of love, not just in the sense that it's very "puppy love"-esque, but also in the conflation of romantic imagery with all other forms of love, including familial. I think this is because when you're young, things like platonic love aren't so clearly signposted and blatant, in both real life and in media, so a child's idea of expressing love to somebody might cleave more towards the more "obvious" expressions typical of romantic love. If that makes any sense whatsoever!!

Very interesting to think about, anon! And the fact that there's so many plausible theories as to who or what Ralsei is actually supposed to be means I can continue talking about all this for years to come! Or at least until the remaining chapters come out :P

[skeletonsgeorg]

A Family Divided

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Do the Dreemurrs think Chara died?

They thought they are, yes. The truth, they aren't really dead, but aren't alive either.

[unidentifiedflyingchoco]

What Are Chara’s Intentions Behind The Soulless Pacifist Route?

Picture this; You killed everyone, everyone who was supposed to be your friends. You showed them no mercy. Yet you think you are above consequences. You reset, hoping to yet again achieve a happy ending...but this time something changed. Chara appears, again, either with glowing red eyes in the dark, or surrounding your “friends” covered with red X’s. So what does this all mean? At first you may assume that everyone’s dead, but that’s far from the truth. Here’s why.

The Context Behind The Tainted Ending

Something that makes the meaning of this ending apparent is the context behind it. As previously mentioned this ending takes place after a murderboy route. A path which Chara shames us for taking. 

The soulless pacifist ending is essentially a way to constantly remind us of our sins, a way that we can never forget what we did. A nightmare we can never wake up from. How do we know everyone actually isn’t dead though? Our best friend, Flowey, can help us explain that.

Flowey And How Important He is To Proving Our Friends Are Still Alive

While at first our friends appear to be dead the game would suggest otherwise. Flowey specifically helps us see this. He claims everyone is happy on the surface, and that “Chara” can breath easy because everyone’s safe. 

This seems very out of place for an ending where everyone seemingly died, Flowey has no reason to directly state that everyone’s happy if they were really dead. Plus we’ve learned from the Undertale Alarm Clock Dialogue that Flowey ends up going to the surface with everyone else, this is also seen by the menu screen after the true pacifist ending, which shows that everyone left for the surface, even Flowey.

So this shows us that he without a doubt has knowledge of whether or not everyone survived, and in his own words everyone’s perfectly happy.

How Does Chara Do This?

You may be wondering how Chara is able to give us these endings if it doesn’t truly involve death. I think the answer is that they’re manipulating the way the player views things. As we see a similar thing happen with Asriel in the credits. 

They’ve been seen to have strange powers in the past as well, such as sensing how many monsters are in an area. 

The Soulless Pacifist Merch

Now while merch isn’t canon a piece of merchandise based off the soulless pacifist ending still seems to be an argument for some reason, but even assuming this has any merit whatsoever it is easily debunked. The merch in reference is this. 

It is gained through a now gone item called the determination combo. Flowey gave you the option of a one dollar discount, and if you took it you were rewarded with the soulless pacifist end card instead of the regular one. The argument here is that since they appear scared in the picture that must mean they were in danger, although this isn’t the case, as this card is taken out of context. The back of it actually read this:

Now why this is important is the part that says “this is all a bad dream and you’re never waking up”, that is Floweys dialogue from his Flowey X fight. This dialogue is very much here on purpose though, because it further proves the idea that Chara is manipulating the way we’re viewing things to haunt us with the memory of our dead friends, hence the “bad dream” dialogue. 

TL;DR

In conclusion the soulless pacifist ending was a way for Chara to punish us based on the context, and the fact that Flowey confirms that our friends are alive.

[im-not-here-im-dead]

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[minthy]

The dreemurrs

[ask-retale]

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Fun Facts

Asriel's magic would have been a different color, but it now is the same color as the golden flowers due to his time as Flowey

Asgore's soul is glitchy but stable in comparison to Asriel's soul

Asgore does not know whether or not his magic has been impacted by his current situation

Asgore and Toriel never had children in this AU

Toriel's magic is naturally defensive, and she prefers to act as a healer

Toriel refuses to bake butterscotch cinnamon pie, but she will stress bake and cook other items

There are other goat monsters in the underground, but the Dreemurrs family are the only royal goat monsters

Magic property changes depending on the intent of the monster but all magic naturally favors defensive or offensive capabilities

Toriel's staff is not composed of magic, but it is enchanted and can be summoned and unsummoned like other magic constructed weapons

Her staff is primarily used to help focus her magic for extremely powerful healing spells

[pandoratheprocrasticreator]

like honestly just give your non binary characters traditionally "gendered" features. just do it. it's not like being androgynous ever stopped non binary characters from being misgendered.

frisk undertale and kris deltarune were androgynous and are only ever referred to by "they/them" and ppl are still arguing over how the "main character is not the player but their own person" message didn't apply to their genders bc they refuse to wrap their head around different pronouns. raine owlhouse was paraded around as "disney's first ever nb representation" by everyone and their mother but bc they have short hair other countries dub them as male. this also happens to most anime nb characters bc of how japanese pronouns work. halara raincode literally has the color scheme of the non binary flag AND their in-game profile says that they, and i quote "have no specified gender" AND several characters remark on it in the actual game but bc theyre voiced by a female voice actor ppl still call them a woman.

like literally at this point just give your nb characters huge tits and a massive beard. if ppl refuse to accept the existence of non binary characters in media, then there is no way to make a character non binary "enough" to convince them otherwise. no matter how much you hammer in their androgyny in an attempt to detach them from "male" and "female," there will be people determined to assign gender roles to any trait you give your character.

creators being hesitant to give their non binary characters traits that could be associated with a binary gender is why every goddamn genderqueer character that the creator wants you to take seriously in popular media has shoulder length hair and a board-flat figure and a perfectly neutrally pitched voice. like. just do what you want at this point. the character is non binary because your story said so and people who misgender them would have done that no matter how androgynous they look.

[the-dreem]

Sorry for taking long so long to update the dreem, it’ll hopefully be back in two months. UPDATE: the dreem has been updated and will again on Thursday TT!

[petscoboba]

I want Toby Fox three years after the last chapter to make a game where it's just the Fun Gang going on a road trip to the east coast to go fishing. They raid a gas station on the way to grabs snacks for the road (and the lobsters they catch). Happy April Fool's.

[wagoogus-jr]

[skeletonsgeorg]

Sometimes I get sad about Asgore