#this isnt rlly discourse but

[the-ghost-rat]

Trans men who act like they have a right to damned other trans men to draw transmasc characters like they want them to are actual cringe

“But why do they only draw one type of trans male characters-“ idk maybe bcus thats how they present?? Mayb bcus they want more characters who look like themselves??

Random artists arent corporations they arent there to appeal to specifically you-if you want a trans male character who looks like you draw it yourself or follow an artist who draws it

[dullahandyke]

didnt even touch on the sandra lynn stuff int he tags of the last post bcos if i talk about her im liable to explode. get behind me, middle-aged divorced woman proficient in archery

[mukuroom]

sometimes i see takes in the milgram tag that make me kinda glad i don't post too much abt my milgram ocs

[xoxo-ren-xoxo]

for the life of me i cannot imagine how ppl hate so many mcyts with all their hearts. like im a little hater and even then i barely bother posting about the mcyts i dislike. like, if you find a cc annoying or whatever, just dont watch their content... i understand if theyve done something shitty- but if youre just being a hater for the sake of it, idk, it just seems boring to me.

its always the most bland and harmless mcyts too. like, for example, not to be a scott smajor girlie but who gives a shit if he's annoying?? just dont watch his content if you think that... same goes for literally any cc who has done nothing but exist in a way that annoys you. like, who gives a shit. idk. you can be a little hater all you like i will just never understand.

[legogender]

am i going fucking crazy??? do people seriously hate jay to the point they think he doesnt have any fans??? hes literally one of the most popular ninja what are you ON about

[kaeyapilled]

when someone speaks about some discourse or other and you honestly agree with their points but the way they phrase it is so obnoxious and dumb

[butterknifves]

sometimes i see queer discourse on here and im like. wow imagine this person trying to explain what theyre even upset about to literally anyone who isnt terminally online. like it would just be basically incomprehensible. ive had people irl try to do this to me before and the "made up a guy to get mad at" energy was so palpable it was insane. like dude if you take a look at the real world around you and interact with people youll notice that this isnt actually a real problem and it doesnt affect you. its okay i promise homophobia doesnt exist because of bisexual lesbians or whatever . its fine

[beddybites]

Hi, I don't know if this is something that's been addressed lately but what ships do you ship in demon slayer? /nfta

-🍵

i admittedly dont rlly care enough to ship things (something something im aroace something something im more interested in the platonic dynamics of characters) but ill try to list the ones i remember

obanai x mitsuri (PEAK LOVE THIS SHIP)

sanemi x giyuu

obanai x shinobu x mitsuri (yuri)

shinobu x mitsuri

tengen x kyojuro (im half and half w this one, i feel like they're more flirty w each other but don't end up dating or anything)

genya x kanao

tanjiro x kanao

genya x tanjiro

aka genya x tanjiro x kanao is peak

tengen and his wives (i think its adorable how much they all love each other)

kanae x masachika (i like to hc masachika was projecting onto sanemi and really he was the one who was crushing on kanae all the time. i also hc kanae gets crushes super easily and is always pretty boy crazy)

kagaya x amane (PEAK)

now for fun heres some ships i dont like:

sanemi x mitsuri

giyuu x mitsuri (i hate how the fandom characterizes it)

kyojuro x obanai / kyojuro x mitsuri (mitsuri refers to kyojuro as a big brother, and while kyojuro and obanai's familial dynamic isnt canon, it feels canon atp and would feel wrong to ship)

giyuu x shinobu (the way everyone characterizes shinobu in this makes me crazy. stop babying giyuu ill find you)

gyomei x sanemi (in general i dont like any gyomei ship for a long list of reasons)

however gyomei x kagaya or gyomei x kagaya x amane could be super cute if done right though i prefer gyomei just being besties with the two

i dont really ship muichiro with anyone either, but i can see the appeal of genmui and tanmui and support it for my oomfs sakes

all the hashira x demon ships (DONT KILL ME 😭 IM SORRY I JUST DONT FW THEM)

theres a bunch i dont like but im not about to go on a long rant over stupid fandom discourse. my philosophy is just look away and focus on what i actually like. i am 21 years old i have taxes to do

[mortiflyer]

tennis discourse is soooo weird on both sides from the carlos-jiri match today because the majority of people can't even focus on jiri playing great and winning, which isn't totally surprising or anything considering he's quite under the radar for a top 25 player, but im pointing it out bc people were ignoring the win in favor of dissecting carlos' loss and what it means for his career (???) which is so funny bc like. its february. bro had a worse start last year when he didnt win anything till iw and then he won two slams in a row like...u literally have nothing to worry abt

but within the group of people talking exclusively abt carlos there are like two sub-factions, which are his fans and his...idk...weird straight dudes who appear to only watch tennis to drag down every young player ever lol. anyways the fans are oddly up in arms abt this when he didnt rlly play that badly, he just showed his normal inconsistencies like he does in lich rally every match but ok

and then the chronic ig commenters are like "JANNIK IS THE REAL NO 1" which...do we not know this????? look at the rankings dumbass! idk i don't like watching carlos but there is zero merit to comparing him to jannik, theyre so dissimilar and dont even have relevant career trajectories atm so i dont get this. carlos isnt even world no 2 with 10000 points, so he's not close to usurping the top ranking rn. not understanding this need to underline janniks dominance like this is new information

all this to say sports fandom is fawking insane to be a part of and i hope no player in the top 100 ever checks their phone LMAO

[hellofastudysession]

am i rlly going to write a death note literary analysis when i could be doing other things

about the discourse going on in the tag abt "death note is acab and thats why the characters couldnt better the world with the note (/written in somewhat jokey matter)" vs "death note is trying to say we all have potential for evil, especially if you get a chance to insta-hurt ppl without repercussions, and it doesnt matter if youre a cop or not", i personally feel like it ignores the things that i like abt death note, which is "both of these things are true", and simultaneously "both of these things do not matter". the first part of this is dedicated to the first point, the latter to the last.

first point. i think its an important part of the message and themes (unintentional or not, and i lean on the former because... come on, can you really say the author intended you to not think of the cops as good people, at least compared to light and l) that light is a cops son, and that almost everyone who gets the death note is cop adjacent/thinks like a cop and is already corrupt/powerful when they get it (mello raised to think hed be just like l, yotsuba group is self explanatory; you cannot look me in the eyes and tell me teru "churchill" mikami, who was hand selected by light out of a bunch of rabid kira supporters, is a normal citizen). i appreciated the cop post bc its rlly important to not gloss over that aspect.

all of this would be an argument for "only someone like them would do something like this, and i am not like them, so im above them and immune to thinking about what id do with it", but... misa is the MOST important outlier in all of this bc her murders are solely selfish in nature and shes not doing any of this for "the greater good"!!! her nature of being an exception and still a very very bad person is really really important...

or it would be if death note gave a shit about her character at all!!! im not talking about her tragic side, im talking about exploring the ramifications of her killing people the way lights murders are (somewhat) explored. that would strengthen the message greatly! but shes dismissed and that weakens it overall. firstly, she's dismissed by the characters when l only sees her as a way to get to kira and basically shelves her the rest of the time. secondly, shes dismissed by the narrative when her character is gradually ground down to a stump and (not to sound perilously close to the bad takes ppl meme about) she never faces repercussions for her actions. every other character using the death note is treated relatively seriously, but misa just dies bc her love is dead. im not saying this isnt a... fitting punishment or that it isnt in character, but it doesnt fit snugly into the theme other people are talking about of "you reap what you sow" at all.

we do have something of an equivalent to misa's grayscale motives. surprise surprise, its light yagami. first is light's characterization in the musical (i will also note that misa never kills anyone in the musical). light's thinking is coplike, yes — he literally starts his first song by talking about "throw[ing] away the key" — but also, oddly enough, could be read as progressive and therefore sympathetic to tumblr ("let the corporations make the regulations / and hold no one accountable when everything gets wrong / let the rich and famous get away with murder / every time a high-priced mouthpiece starts to talk, his client gets to walk"). compare to the anime and manga, where his bigotry and pride and disgust come from a place of lukewarm dissatisfaction and boredom. the musical has much less time to play around with lights character, so it gives the audience something to immediately hook on. more on how that actually plays out later.

in the animanga, none of this is justified from the start. animanga light could say he was just killing people to make humanity way, way worse, and that wouldnt matter, because at the root of it, it was always his boredom that made him pick up the note. of course he actually believes in justice and believes hes doing the right thing (no, he believes he's doing the wrong thing, for the sake of the world... the right thing, because he is god...), but it was boredom at the start. all animanga light says about justice and righteousness and the law is a front in the end, bc he is exactly like l and misa — amoral. selfish. searching for entertainment. hedonistic. we know this. he kills naomi misora*. he kills lind l. turner. everything hes saying deserves to be dismissed from the beginning.

"but doesnt that mean you agree with the discourse post you wrote this post to argue against?" like i said, i agree with both of them! but i... still think its not right to reduce death note to the message of "the power to kill people is bad". because that is not exactly what the story is saying, even though that's literally its whole plot and therefore reaching that conclusion is self explanatory (lmao). let's look at the concept of mu. nothingness. "there's no heaven or hell". The Real Slay The Princess (Death Note Essay) Starts Here.

in light's final moments in the death note manga, while screaming about not wanting to die, he remembers that the first day they met, ryuk told light that "there's no heaven or hell. no matter what they do in life, all people go to the same place. all humans are equal in death". it is retroactively revealed that light knew this the whole time, operated under this knowledge for all the years we watched him — the knowledge that nothing he does is actually bad, that nothing any human does is actually bad, that shinigami are not "evil", that the universe does not care. that no one cares except humans. this oblivion absolutely terrifies him more than anything anyone could ever do to him. its what he thinks of before anything else as he flails there, screaming, dying. one could say everything he does after that day is him trying to escape that fact, or wrest control over it. but it doesnt work.

here are the lyrics of requiem, the musical's final song, sung over the bodies of l and musical light, a light who was at least somewhat good-intentioned at first: "sleep now, here among your choices / then fade away / hear how the world rejoices / shades of gray / gone who was right or wrong / who was weak or strong / nothing left to learn". this is the final message the death note musical and the manga chose to leave us with. there is no judgement. even after all that acknowledged hurt, after all the damage done, there is no judgement.

in the manga and anime alike, the world is just as fucked when light picks up the death note as when he dies. sure, we as readers can guess otherwise logically (and be optimistic, believing the world was never fucked regardless), but that's not what death note wants you to think. it ends with matsuda and another member of the task force noting how the world is worse again even though they killed kira (matsuda is clearly much worse for wear, but still determined), we see the shitty motorcycle band again, it ends with misa and a whole kira cult on a mountain even though kira died a long time ago...

its extremely important that light is never killed by any human or any aspect of the law. he is always killed by ryuk: a chaotic force completely detached from human sensibilities, one that does not care about good and evil. same with l; in the anime, manga, and musical, he is always killed by rems senseless, morally gray love (and you could argue in the kdrama that hes killed by love there too lol). justice is just a set dressing.

this is not just because death note is a tragedy, because good and evil can still matter in a tragedy. the theme of "nothingness" and "good and evil doesnt matter here" is also shown in a situation relatively unrelated to light winning or losing, or being good or bad. and its in fucking lawlight of all things. we all know ls not a good person. we know lights not a good person. this is tip of the iceberg death note knowledge. but the moment they start to interact, none of that starts to matter. textually, their relationship becomes more important than the people theyve killed and hurt. and the thing is? the thing is? THAT WORKS STORY-WISE. THAT'S ENTERTAINING. AND IT'S NEVER TEXTUALLY CALLED OUT IN A LASTING WAY. l and lights relationship, no matter how much i meme it, is genuinely important to the themes and "mu" because it makes it clear that despite all the pretensions, despite everything, this was never about good and evil. and it still works in the story. this is why death note is simultaneously a comedy — isn't the battle of good and evil supposed to matter more? well, fine, i'll keep watching this anyway. that suspension of disbelief comes crashing down the moment l dies, though, and a relationship built on nothingness (the "mu" sort, meaninglessness, not "character development" nothingness, theres plenty of character development) gives way to just nothingness (again, "mu", not light's post-l depression nothingness), forever.

(an aside: there is no one to root for in death note, and the only things to root for are either interesting character relationships, convoluted plots, or complete and total destruction: for everything to end so no more damage is done.)

not to say that death note does not encourage its readers to consider what damage they might do with the death note (obviously.), or that its characters never do. look at matsuda, a much easier heroic figure to latch on to than soichiro because of his unique place in the cast dynamic and because he's willing to consider both sides of the situation and kill light instantly for all he's done. its just that the story's own stance on the subject is... complicated by the existence of shinigami worldviews and by its own insistence that the world cannot change for the better.

also, this is not to say that this is executed well by the death note manga at all. it is a very strong tool, artistically, to establish and then violently remove any emotional connections between characters and make your story only about the exceedingly convoluted lengths characters go to to survive and catch each other so the reader can realize how ultimately pointless all of this is, but like... is that a good story choice if that's all you do? i would say not really. add in a good dollop of misogyny that destroys the second-to-last character who might actually be an interesting contrast to the rest of the cast's dull one-track focus on winning and justice, and youve got yourself a shitty story that... honestly still achieves what it went out to do, just not in a way id ever want to replicate.

anyway, back to the parts death note's actually trying to say. no matter what any human does in their life, no matter how they try to hurt or help the world, they all die in the end. hey, light, they all die in the end. once dead, they can never come back to life. and the seasons turn. and the world rejoices. and you say "goodbye"...

that's all.

no analysis of death notes overarching theme would be complete without nears final monologue, the definitive roast of light, the "you're just a murderer" speech: "what is right from wrong? what is good from evil? nobody can truly distinguish between them. even if there is a god." if we take this as talking about the actual god in the room (ryuk) as well as light, then near admits that humans will never be able to withstand these overwhelming forces and that, using justice and happiness and selfishness, they are just scrabbling to find meaning in things they ultimately have no control over.

but of course, near does not stop there. "[...] even then i'd stop and think for myself. i'd decide for myself whether his teachings are right and wrong." nears alright with not having control over everything, because near can still control nears own actions. these forces can and do exist, but they have no sway over nears own humanity — unlike light, who caved.

one of the creators of death note said they believe its message is "life is short, so everyone should do their best". the first time i learned this, i was like, thats... nice and optimistic, but an awful reading of the story! "life is short, so everyone should be desperate and striving like light yagami", who literally cut off other ppls lives for his own life? what character in death note are we supposed to strive towards when we "do our best"? they all do awful things with their lives! honestly, maybe they shouldnt have tried their best, if this is what their best is!

but with the view of "mu"... it makes a bit more sense. just a little. maybe.

there is no good and evil. there is only what humans think, and no matter what we do, we all die in the end. it is easy to be crushed and terrified by this in the same way light is, but what is more important than justice and righteousness and finding meaning is... doing your best. not being a person that hurts others too much. not letting yourself get swallowed up by an ideal. not going too far. and simultaneously, trusting yourself.

it leaves a few questions, though... was the currently dead l even a little bit right about his blatantly amoral approach, then? was there a point to this pain, and me slogging through this dumbass manga, and all the people that have lost their lives to a selfish teenage cop's son and the whims of everyone chasing after him? was there a point to any of this...?

the manga** never answers this. it stays clinically impartial until the very end. the musical is anything but clinically impartial (and i love it so much for that), and its ryuk that has the last word.

"there's no point at all."

of course theres no point. none of this was ever supposed to happen. that is what matters more than all the hurt and the crimes and the pain.

and that's... actually okay, because it's over now.

yes, death note has many really important themes present in its story, but its viewpoint is nihilism first and foremost. thats why its so fun and easy to play around with all the other messages, because no matter what fun or torment or awful things or righteous justice or absolute nothingness or sentimentality happens in between, there is always an end.

there is always the end.

[taehyungfirst]

https://www.tumblr.com/taehyungfirst/785244255742459904/yo-isnt-it-wild-that-tae-chose-elio-for-his

I’ve seen taekookers being weird and saying he was lying about the english school thing lol, like why would he lie about that when he’s already talked about the movie a lot of times so he would just say if it was about that.

Or maybe he made a joke. Or maybe he rlly meant his english school. Or maybe he meant the movie.

Not everything is discourse worthy I promise 😭

[utdrmv-confession-box]

Transcript: i rlly dont get the whole discourse abt people „misgendering“ kris, chara and frisk. as someone who isnt an english native speaker pronouns are already hard and i switch up he and she regularly. im sorry if i call kris a guy but why cant we just have a mutual agreement to let everyone gender them how u see them? and its not like theyre hurting cus i call frisk a girl or boy sometimes. feel free to counter me i would like to actually know why its such a scandal in the community to gender them.

[x1702x]

SOTE spoilers below, discourse too, not using my textpost tag for this, lowk my opinion so be mindful

Am I the only one who thinks that after Mohg got his allegations lifted some Mohgmiq shippers/Mohglester advocaters felt?? dissappointed?? that it isnt yk, Mohg being predatory n Miquella being a victim??

Or like anything related to Mohg "kidnapping" and the cocoon isnt like some weird super poetical/complex sexual allusion stuff?? they've been so quiet?

Ive been trying to avoid SOTE discourse for fear of spoilers but mutuals n friends told me abt what did happen at the end with Mohg and Miquella, to my relief. I've been so advocate against Mohg's allegations being true and the shipping those two oddly got going on. (Little rant below)

Im going to be frank, I do not hate media not being dark and grim at times, but what i do dislike is those darker topics becoming a freeway for SOME/THOSE people to start condoning/shipping (Disclaimer: Im not against non healthy dynamics in media, those can exist if they are represented respectfully, its more just against people seeing it as okay to ROMANTICIZE/BLORBOIFY) those topics as just your average pair or using it as a quirky romantic dynamic. (Ex: cough cough Coleen Hoover books cough cough anything romance directed nowadays cough cough YA books cough cough gothic romance novels cough cough)

Miquella undeniably manipulated Mohg and suddenly its an eyeopener and Oh Nooooo! the ugly and scary character is NOT a predator and suddenly the power dynamic is shifted! Not fun anymore! It kinda feels this way which? It doesnt change anything its the same dynamic.

I dont know why but to me theres something holding some back because the blame is shifted and Mohg is a victim instead of Miquella, call me crazy??

I rlly dont know how to feel 😭😭? But ive seen less and less. Everything has been quiet other than Mohg fans finally cheering onto the fact they are not looked down upon anymore in one way or another.

These r my two little cents onto this part i am literally putting myself in fire w this lowk scared of whatever might go on in the notes

[hogfetish]

there are so many discourse posts which basically point to "this isnt a part of your belief system youre just uncomfortable or dislike something and are trying to argue that that means it shouldnt exist" like i get it i rlly do thats why i think we all need to wait a little bit before posting discourse. let it simmer for an hour or two in the drafts and see if you still agree with what you wanted to say and how you wanted to say it.

[petz5]

13 16 24 RAHHHHHHH

13. worst blorboficiation

- THAT ONE PERSON ON DEVIANTART WHO IS OBSESSED W PRINCIPAL KUNO AND SHIPS HIM W RANMA AND HAS DRAWN AKANE BEING BEAT UP AND EVEN BEHEADED BY RANMA 💀💀💀 LIKE BRO???? On a more normal and widespread scale tho i fucking hate when ppl make ranma's parents lgbt i'm SORRY do what u want but i just. Cannot bring myself to get behind it or even entertain the idea. I personally do not think my own mother is a homophobe bc she's secretly gay i think she's just a bigot

16. you can't understand why so many people like this thing (characterization, trope, headcanon, etc)

- so many examples sprang to mind umm. Obv lgbt genma and/or nodoka, homophobic soun (or he didnt train akane properly which ppl flat out forget isnt canon bc its so widespread), sapphic shampoo, sorry that almost my examples so far are me saying "these guys are NOT gay" i just think ranma 1/2 is a story where having only a handful of canonical lgbt characters is uh! Important to the story being told! I don't think utena would have worked if all the characters were also gay and making out and in a giant polycule either. Or brokeback mountain. Or any other story where theres literally any struggle at all to accept that part of yourself vs a story where it doesnt rlly matter like she-ra or the owl house or whatever bc trans/homophobia basically doesnt exist in those worlds

24. topic that brings up the most rancid discourse

- telling twitter dudes that if they insist ranma is cis then jerking off to fanart of his girl form is gay of them lol

[noosferik]

soo glad im not the only one annoyed at the treatment of neotrances... some blogs I normally rlly enjoyed r also reblogging posts abt it as if the guy isnt being completely reasonable in what hes saying ??? sorry to discourse post in ur inbox ur just the first sane person Ive seen talk abt it😭

The treatment he gets for the most self-evident feminist statements and human decency is alarming, a large portion of this site is infested with a clique using idpol and kink positivity to defend publicly broadcasting things going as far as brazen pedophilia and it just kind of slips under the radar. The wider community ostracizes and launches into misogynistic harassment at any attempt to criticize sex posts. Genuinely terrified of the society these people want.