#thundersaur

[cyber-streak-2]

Krok: Thundersaur and Flywheels are gone, we need help.

Spinister: We have Misfire.

Krok: I mean real help.

[princesstarfire1234]

What I find very interesting, and I'm just again having another scavengers thought before i head to bed because my brain has horrible timing, but uh... so we know mostly every Scavenger's backstory:

Krok lost his squad and it fucked him up real bad to the point of delusion + PTSD

Crankcase suffered a terrible headwound from Thunderwing during his time as part of the Nebulos infiltration unit + PTSD

Fulcrum's backstory is several levels of fucked up to me; being born into the war, being punished for not being able to fully handle said war, tortured on Styx, getting his frame reformated into being a suicide bomb bot like jesus...

Grimlock was experimented on for god knows how long to the point that he became braindead for a good couple of years

Nickel lost her entire planet to organics (Prion), not to mention ya gotta be fucked up in some kinda way to be part of the djd AND excuse their actions (srsly that convo she has with the scavs still kinda irks me eh)

Misfire, its not much but we do know WHY he ended up with the Scavs--trialed and being convicted for accidentally shooting about a dozen decepticons until his friend Thundersaur had his dying wish be to save him, and so Spin and Krok (who were also buddies with the guy apparently) came to the rescue to pay off their debt to their old friend

HELL we even know atleast a little bit of what Flywheels was up to during the war: (get ready for this cuz oh my god) he was in charge of gluing inhibitor spikes to the roof of Autobots' mouths, its basically a torture method where if a bot with one of these things transforms, the spike from the inhibitors pushes up through their head and basically insta-kills them by stabbing thru the brain module. what the fuck.

(panel from mtmte #48, speak, memory pt.1)

so this all brings me to this...

What the hell is Spinister's story?

[telesodalite]

Uhhh, I'm having thoughts about fulfire and sparkmerging. But like, not in a sexy fun way, and more in that there is a stark divide in how they'd feel about expressing such vulnerability, and how it could be interesting character exploration-wise.

I considered writing it as a fic, but it seemed intent on being only a vague thought instead, so yeah. Long ramble below 👍

So, this is all in the context of the more soul magic-y kind of smarkmerging concept. With memories and feelings bared, and just, that sort of all encompassing, "I see all of you, you see all of me" way. Light and energy imprints and all that. Still something that can be casual, it doesn't mean you're bound by it, rather its more of a very indepth transfer of soul data. But depending on ones beliefs and such ig, it could be "not casual", idk.

But anyways-

So, Fulcrum. Besides the DJD affair, it doesn't seem he has much else to hide? He's honest, more so than the other's at times. He doesn't seem to shy away from speaking his mind, or sharing his feelings, (even if it puts him in a hypocritical position, but this isn't exactly about self awareness lol), and in turn, he's receptive to other's feelings and honest thoughts.

He's hurt if he doesn't know something, and he tries to reach out, even when it's not particularly wanted. (*cough* krok *cough*) But even when trying to reach out, he's blunt about his opinions, too honest perhaps.

So, what might that all say about him? Well, at the very least, I think him trying to lay his whole traumatic experience out to uncaring audials early on could be an interesting starting point to speculate and build off of perhaps?

He wants to be known. He wants to be acknowledged. Or at the very least, he wants to be understood. So vulnerability is a release, a weight off his shoulders, an open offering in the hopes of being accepted and seen.

But none of the others offered up a similar offer, rather they chose to ignore his and move on. So? What was he to do if he wanted to be understood? Obviously work to understand them first, to try and pry and crack them open, dig up old wounds, so that they might acknowledge his own open wounds in return.

That's how reciprocation works, right? ...Ehhhh, no. And it obviously didn't get him super duper far with anybody, even with years worth of time to work on it. Maybe that blunt honesty got in the way? They're all trying to keep shit buried, and here he comes, unprovoked, with a shovel, trying fruitlessly to dig it all up as they stubbornly throw more dirt in the way.

But for the sake of this whole thought thing, let's imagine that somehow it did work for him, at least enough to get him into Misfire's bed.

So, ok, what's Misfire deal then? Well, its uh, not as simple.

He's also honest and blunt about his thoughts and opinions, very much so. But, a line is drawn at feelings, not angry feelings or fearful feelings or friendly affections, but vulnerable feelings, vulnerable emotions. Weak points and shortcomings. Those don't get bared so easily, those are kept balled up like a fist, until they start to slip between his fingers.

He doesn't talk about his history or his hurts. He doesn't offer up his wounds for them to be considered. It has to be dug out of him, only to be spat out short and bitter, or spoken only as something vague and distant and not wholly his.

He doesn't want to touch it, and he doesn't want anyone else to touch it, or really even see it. He wants it to be ignored. And yet he tries to reach out to see and understand others despite this. At least, he tries for Grimlock (*cough* Thundersaur haunting the narrative *cough*), and he tries for Connie, and maybe even towards Swerve, in a way.

So, taking Mr "I would bare my soul at a pin drop", and siccing him on Mr "I would rather die than say how I earnestly feel deep down", well, that's gotta make for an interesting pair, yeah?

Things are easy mostly, casual, comfortable, hell, even comforting. But eventually there's a line Misfire drags his feet at crossing that Fulcrum is desperate to reach. And what encompasses the very heart of this issue more succinctly, than baring their very sparks to eachother.

It's not necessary, not even something they'd probably consider initially, but once thought of, the idea would probably seem great to Fulcrum.

Explaining and offering every aspect of himself, his true self, with a piece of him untouched by reformatting, still whole and original and solely his? Well, sign him up. How simple and easy it'd be compared to wasting all those words trying to explain every hurt and affection instead.

Of course, on the other hand, once thought of, it probably seems like a form of cruel and unusual torture to Misfire

Bare his soul? Share every single aspect of himself? All the good, and all the bad? All his secrets, and all his fears, his hopes, his pain, his love, his grief, all of his weaknesses? Each and every single one of them? Just laid out like a buffet to pick and tear at? He'd rather put a barrel of a gun to the roof of his mouth instead.

But... he wants to know Fulcrum. He wants to take the soul thats offered to him so openly, he wants to know it, he wants to understand it, he wants to see it, he wants it. But there's a price for getting that, for appeasing that want, that curiosity, that fondness.

Would he pay that price? Set aside walls he's been desperate to keep standing to claw open his own armored chest and bare what he's kept hidden away to the warm light of Fulcrum's thinly guarded spark?

Would he risk being truly seen for all he his? Just to know what it's like to feel all of someone else again, someone who doesn't hide, someone who offers all their good and all their bad so easily to him. Could he do that?

*shrug*

You decide.

[seaquestions]

drawins

[anotherramblingfangirl]

How did Krok know Thundersaur?

There was a post by @seamania, speculating that Thundersaur very likely having a reptilian/saurian alt-mode, that being this guy talked about here:

I myself have also talked before about how, based on things like the alt of his toy, I also think Krok’s alt-mode was an actual alien equivalent of a crocodile before he later joined the militant monoform movement and had his t-cog removed:

Which brings me onto speculation as to how the two might have known each other, enough so that Krok owed him enough to bust someone out of jail for him.

Honestly, I think it was likely a situation similar as to with Gasket and Drift.

Krok being Drift, in this situation.

To give quick context, this is who Gasket is: 

He was a homeless mech who took in and helped other vulnerable homeless mechs, forming a support network of sorts who would look out for each other.

That group of bots he took in included Drift, who had been doing very poorly before he did so.

As for why I think something similar happened with the reptiles?

Beastformers got it particularly bad on Cybertron, whether their beast-mode was their alt or base, often viewed as just as bestial as appearances would suggest. 

Here’s one thing that the wiki had to say about it:

“When Nova Prime united the tribes of Cybertron and instituted functionism, he placed them near the bottom of society, above only those in the so-called Disposable class. Transformers with beast alt-modes faced institutionalized discrimination that remained until the start of the Great War, and a stigma that lasted longer”

We know this big, insitutional stigma also pushed quite a few into the streets, where they too tended to band together. 

As was the case with Ravage, Laserbeak and Buzzsaw at the time of their discovering of Soundwave, who they adopted into their merry little band:

So, again going with the speculation that both Thundersaur and Krok had reptilian alt-modes, it’s very likely that pre-war, they would have both ended up on the streets as a direct result of that.

Having been on the streets for a while could also lend way to explaining a few aspects of Krok’s character too.

Anyway, as said, those on the streets have also been repeatedly shown to try band together. Particularly those with beast-modes banding together with those who also have beast-modes. Sticking together.

Meaning that it’s very likely that something similar would have happened with Krok and Thundersaur there as well.

And as for why I think it was like the Gasket and Drift situation, well, that would explain the big favour Krok willingly pulled for him wouldn’t it?

A life for a life. 

Thundersaur gave the mech who would later be Krok some relative safety by taking him onto his crew and we all know what Krok ended up doing for Misfire.

Who, I’m not even going to go into here on how Thundersaur eventually came to know. 

I don’t have any ideas on that one other than perhaps he was the progenitor of the “lets adopt random idiots” trend that has been very present in the ranks of the Scavengers.

But that’s at least my theory for now on how he knew Krok.

[sharkteethies]

So I wanna talk for a moment about Misfire and Grimlock, and how it relates to the mysterious ‘Thundersaur’ mentioned in LL15, specifically why I believe Thundersaur is the reason why Misfire is so attached to Grimlock.

So the name Thundersaur comes out of pretty much nowhere.  As far as I can tell the only time he’s ever mentioned is in that flashback in LL15 where Krok mentions having repaid a debt to him and Spinister makes it known that Misfire’s rescue was Thundersaur’s dying wish.

For two panels this actually gives us a decent bit of information.  We don’t know what the relationship is but clearly Misfire was close to Thundersaur, enough so that he called in a debt on presumably his deathbed.  He also sounds pretty loyal, a rare trait for a decepticon.  I’m thinking some kind of officer, low to mid level, but that’s just speculation.

Now let’s get to Grimlock.  I’ve always wondered just WHY Misfire was so attached him.  He works hard to take care of him.  His quarters always seem clean and bright, he tries to teach him to read and write, generally just tries to make sure he’s happy and healthy.

Why would he do this for someone like Grimlock? Someone who, even brain damaged, is incredibly destructive and dangerous.  It’d be safer for everyone on board the WAP if he was just locked away.

So why did he try so hard for him?  It wasn’t until LL15 and that Thundersaur namedrop happened that it hit me.  Names are pretty telling in Transformers.  They’re usually descriptive of what they can do or what they are.

ThunderSAUR.

My guess? Thundersaur likely had some kind of saurian alt mode.  One that very closely resembled Grimlock.  We know Thundersaur is dead, busting Misfire was his dying wish, so Misfire would have had no way to thank him, show his appreciation.

Then he found Grimlock.  Poor damaged Grimlock.  Alone on Clemency.  And he saw Thundersaur in him.  I think initially he started to take care of Grimlock as a sort of... replacement for Thundersaur.  He couldn’t repay that mech for orchestrating his rescue, so he showered one that was similar to him with his care and affection.  And since, especially in the beginning, Grimlock wasn’t really chatty, it was probably easy to superimpose Thundersaur over Grimlock.

He likely started to care about Grimlock for his own merits later once he spent time with him and got to know his habits and not just because of who he SAW in him, but I think that was the origin.

And it makes everything even more sad and tragic in the end.

[robotclownindulgence]

So i've had this theory about misfire since i first read mtmte that i will do my best describing below. Keep in mind that i have always been bad at putting my arguents so please bear with me here:

I believe that misfire is not actually a bad shot

In lost light we learn that misfire used to be called flyhigh but after an incident that lead to him being incarcerated he changed his name to misfire because of the incident that left him in this position

It's never mentioned what exactly this incident was but we know that shooting was involved. However, given the fact that he was the sole prisoner on a decepticon ship we can assume that he was the one shooting his own people. So what if it wasn't actually a "misunderstanding" that caused those cons to die? Because in every instance we actually see misfire shoot someone in a combat situation he seems to hit his mark

This is the first instance we ever see him shoot at somebody and it's once again his own team mate. However, and i know this might be a stretch, i don't think this was actually an example of misfire, but a deliberate attempt to ease krok's pain and shoot him unconscious so he won't experience more of the pain the djd's torture causes. We've already seen something similar in the comic when chromedome shoots down the vessel containing overlord and rewind

The next example is almost played as a joke because how seemingly out of nowhere it comes. Surprising almost everyone, he shoots down three enemies surrounding him, three shots and each one an instant kill

So, what i'm going at is what if misfire actually intentionally murdered those twelve cons for one reason or another and later built an antire persona around the fact that he is bad at shooting in order to hide his true involvement in their deaths? Or maybe to cause his potential enemies to not actually perceive him as a threat?

I mean it worked. The name and his reputation catch on really quickly

According to tfwiki he could have only changed his name after 2008, after thundersaur who is mentioned in the first panel died and after he was sent to prison and yet the autobots only refer to him by his new name and only know him for his bad reputation

In conclusion:

I believe that misfire feigned incomperence after killing a dozen cons, maybe to get a lighter sentence, to hide his true agenda in the war or to throw off those that are after him going so far as to change his own name to fit his reputation and he ket this persona ever since

[best--strategist]

STUDY :  Cap Krok of [REDACTED]

—    basics.

▸     is your muse tall/short /average?

He’s what I am assuming is average height at 27 ft. (guesstimating from grim and megs both being at 38 ft)

▸     are they okay with their height?

For the most part, yeah. And then he realizes he’s usually the shortest person in the room, not counting minibots.

▸     what’s their hair like?

In holoform/holomatter, hair is a blonde color and short, although it looks like it should be longer but he didn’t know how to shorten it so he took scissors to it.

▸     do they spend a lot of time on their hair / grooming?

Not in the slightest, no. Shortened the hair so he wouldn’t have to deal with it, and only really makes himself look nice if there’s something important he has to do.

▸     does your muse care about their appearance / what others think?

Not necessarily. If he cared for what he looked like or what others thought he’d probably have changed his paint-job by now.

--      preferences

▸     indoors or outdoors?  indoors.

▸     rain or sunshine?  rain.

▸     forest or beach?  forest. he likes how calm it is

▸     precious metals or gems?  metals. they’re easier to find

▸     flowers or perfumes?  flowers.

▸     personality or appearance?  personality.

▸     being alone or being in a crowd?  crowd but like, a small one.

▸     order or anarchy?  order

▸     painful truths or white lies? sweats nervously yes

▸     science or magic?  science.

▸     peace or conflict?  peace.

▸     night or day?  night.

▸     dusk or dawn?  dusk.

▸     warmth or cold?  warmth.

▸      many acquaintances or a few close friends?  a few close friends.

▸      reading or playing a game?  reading.

--     questionnaire

▸     what are some of your muse’s bad habits?

Tapping, clicking, fidgeting, withholding emotions from those close to him, drinking while withholding said emotions. He doesn’t do this as much now that the war is over but working late into the night or all night simply to fil out meaningless paperwork.

▸     has your muse lost anyone close to them? how has it affected them?

Radar and Gatoraider. The death of his squadron sent him one a really negative downward spiral, yes, but losing Radar and Gatoraider hurt the most. While under Bludgeon they had been the only people he felt he could truly trust, and to watch them die felt like having his whole world be ripped apart. He shutdown.

Thundersaur. He wasn’t as close to him as he was with the others, but Krok looked up to him. He was sad to see what was essentially his mentor go, but it sort of cemented in him that he had to do better and carry on where he left off. Even if only by helping other lower-class cons like himself.

Flywheels. He’d grown close to the mech after he’d joined his ragtag group and he’s certain that thanks to him and the others he was starting to do better. But seeing Flywheels be torn apart had him blamed himself. He shut down again.

He was back at square one.

▸     what are some fond memories your muse has?

Hanging out with Radar and Agonizer when they were still young. Visiting a replica of the crystal gardens on some organic planet, because he never got to see the ones on Cybertron.

Working alongside Spinister and Thundersaur for those couple of years, because it felt like they were actually doing something.

Meeting the scavengers and going on journeys with them. Their crazy adventures are all good memories. Despite what he had said before.

Depending on the au: all the people he’s met. 

▸     is it easy for your muse to kill?

Yes? Though he sometimes does think back to the people he’s killed, he has no problem pulling a trigger.

▸     what’s it like when your muse breaks down?

Going back to the above, he shuts down. He freezes. He feels like it hurts every part of his being to move let alone break down. He goes into hiding and isolates himself as best he can, because for the next unforeseeable amount of time he’s going to be unresponsive. I think if it gets really bad he let’s himself cry but otherwise doesn’t.

He will, however, gather all his hidden engex and throw himself a pity party.

▸     is your muse capable of trusting someone with their life?

Yes.

▸     what’s your muse like when they’re in love?

A tad flirtier than usual. Clingy. He wants to show the person he loves that he’d do pretty much do anything for them. He wants them to be happy and safe near him.

Tagged by: I stole this from three different people ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Tagging: steal it, you coward.

[johobi]

DD! Crew: what are some interesting habits about humans that you've learned about from the MC, that you don't normally,see within your species? And have any of you picked up any of them?

All in the room are contemplatively silent. Much too soon, Hoseok’s voice rebounds, loud and unabashed. “She excretes blood even without instance of injury!”

“That’s not a f--” ____ catches the unbecoming curse between her teeth. “That’s not a habit, Hoseok. I don’t choose to do it.”

“Ah, of course. That’s, rather, one of your physiological oddities. You possess a great many of those.”

____’s mouth is wide in outrage, her cheeks deep in colour. “Wh--”

“She emits noise nasally while sleeping-- an incredibly wise tactic that is sure to keep lurking foes at bay. I, too, have adopted it,” Namjoon offers proudly, thinking his contribution valuable. “No-one is likely to approach that which sounds akin to a Thundersaur.”

____ keels over in her seat.

[snowley]

reblogging for Miguelito Thundersaur

@paraqeet designed some cute GrimFire babies and I had to draw fanart of them!!, they’re called Slap, Snort (named by Grimlock) and Miguelito Thundersaur Lock-Fire (named by Misfire)

[dustbunny105]

So, this Thundersaur person. Misfire was totally their piece, y/n?

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[sofaslugcomics]

Innovation Comics - Biff Thundersaur #1

[anotherramblingfangirl]

So who is Thundersaur?

Who was he to Krok and what was the debt big enough for him to go hijack a prisoner ship for him? Especially since, at this point, Krok was still looking for his squad and this would be a detour from that.

Did he meet Thundersaur before that wrecker attack that resulted in the loss of them, before he was Krok, or after? 

And who was Misfire, then Flyhigh, to Thundersaur? Obviously someone very important for that request of Krok to be made but in what manner?

Who is Thundersaur?

And for that manner, how did Spinister run into Krok too?

[zxid]

Misc misfire content!

Context: So we were talking about how in the flashback is explained Misfire joined the Scavengers because a dead guy named Thundersaur asked Krok and Spin to rescue him. But he didn’t have a designs, we thougth of the Dinoforce who are cons and dinos, and cosmic brain @seaquestions pointed Rairyu name translated into “Thunder Dinosaur”.

So here, bit art for the friendship (romance??) we never saw in detail!