#tw fetishization discourse

[mewos-laptop]

Actually no, I don't think it's appropriate to say "oh well I'm bisexual so it's even better for me" in response to sum1 being intersex or trans bc that's Really Fucking Weird

[saltyfoxes-artist]

Someone's existence is not a commentary on your own

This applies to all queer identities

This applies to all contradictory labels

This applies to all plurals

Someone existing in a different way than you isn't saying anything about how you live you're life. I have chronic pain, that doesn't mean you can't run marathons for fun. And that applies to everything. The reason for certain identities being "bad" is because they're based on bigotry, usually misinformation and often fetishising a group of people.

For example, rcta (race change to another) is not a good faith identity because it relies on a misunderstanding of race, ethnicity, nationality, racism and culture.

An endogenic system is a good faith identity because it is not built on misinformation or harmful to traumagenic systems.

"Transitioning to intersex" is a harmful thing to say and believe one can do because it relies on misinformation about intersexuality and fetishising intersex people.

A transfem who was afab does not have a harmful identity because it is not built on transmisognyistic ideas, and doesn't harm other transfem people.

Another person's existence is not a commentary on your own. If you think it is, you need to reevaluate.

[buddiereceipts]

[antiship-callout]

Are you truly anti-harassment, @ anti-paradise?

Before we begin with this post, we would like to make the following clear:

asks, submissions and notifications have been turned off. We will not be looking at or answering any comments or reblogs, should there be any

we do not like being called proship, anti anti, anti or anti-shipper. We are critical of "both sides"

we are aware that most of the depicted accounts are owned by teenagers, with two or maybe three exceptions.

we are strictly against harassment and do not wish for the individuals here depicted or anyone else to be harassed

at the same time we are aware that there is at least one harasser who keeps interacting with the individuals described in this post, and who these individuals call "shoo". We condemn any harassers' actions

we collected screenshots from different posts, but we are not associated with any person

Now with that out of the way let's talk about the "infamous" anti proship group that has been making the rounds on tumblr. If you know who we are talking about, it is the individuals frequently found defending, following and or reblogging from the blog "anti-paradise" who was previously known as antiproshipconfessions.

We decided to categorize the group as "anti-fans". Unlike normal fans who interact with media or a person they are a fan of with genuine passion, anti-fans invest time and "passion" into mocking, criticizing, spreading bad faith rumors, and posting malicious posts or articles about the media, person or group they hate. This may also border sometimes on strong and negative obsession.

This specific group shows clear signs of this preciously mentioned anti-fan behavior.

We also need to mention that all of the people within their circle want fictional characters to be treated like human people, and anyone who tells them that fictional characters do not have human rights is quickly slandered as "insane".

They are invested in denying people of their humanity, their identity and are constantly breaking their own DNI as seen in the first screenshot above. They pretend that they are just "criticizing" people, but genuine criticism does not give anyone the right to make false accusations. If you want to criticize a work posted online, you begin with analyzing it, giving your thoughts and offering improvements.

Instead, these people made clear that their goal is to attack any small fish they perceive as "different" or "weird". They have not spoken up about bigger and controversial personalities whose works have wider reach such as Colleen Hoover, George R.R. Martin, Neil Gaiman, or Maïmouna Doucouré (Director of the movie "Cuties" - which was criticized for sexualizing the cast members, most of which were young girls)

We have also looked through all of the accounts they have targeted in the past or present, and none showed any sign of worrying behavior towards or about (prepubescent) minors.

However, we are excluding people who identify as radqueer from this. We do not support them, but we believe that they should be left alone as well.

But why are these haters making these false accusations?

One of the major reasons is the concept of reciprocity: negative energy or behavior can be mirrored and reciprocated by those who encounter it.

Or simply said: haters attract hate. And haters rarely hate alone, they feel empowered when they hate the same thing together, and will encourage others into hating the same thing or people.

Hate groups form identities through symbols, rituals, myths and conspiracy theories, which enhance the members' status and, at the same time, degrade the object of their hate.

We would like to emphasize on the word "degradation". In the beginning of the post, we have described that these anti-fans deny their enemies their humanity and their identity.

This hate group has been noticed by both anti-shippers and pro-shippers because they have decided to use the loaded term "degenerate" and its variants against pro-shippers, and continue to defend the usage of this term.

The screenshots above show that these people have been educated about the term and why they should not use it (by anti-shippers as well), but they ignored it in favor of continuing to defend and "giggle" about the controversy. It's just a "silly word" and using Nazi terms is no big deal apparently

And for those unaware, here is a small history lesson on why "degenerate" has explicit Nazi origins.

It was used centrally within their ideology since the 1920s to describe any group varying from their notion of the ideal human ("Aryan," straight, cis, etc). During the 1930s, the term was most known for the 1933 Nazi book burning (the destruction of literature considered as "Un-German") and the infamous 1937 Nazi exhibit "Degenerate Art."

Today, people like Nick Fuentes, Richard Spencer, and Donald Trump continue to use the term degenerate to attack minoritized people and political opponents.

Anyone who seriously uses the term "degenerate" is invoking Nazi ideology. When they call POC, Jews, queer/trans people, or anyone who may differ from them "degenerates," they're calling for our extermination. This is also something anti-paradise has not only "joked" about, the other hate group members supported it as well.

The extreme radicalization or just reactionary behavior, the need to defend open death threats, book burning, the erasure of their enemies' (proshippers) humanity, the eagerness to call them "illegal aliens" like racists call immigrants and refugees, the call to criminalize adult material, which will always affect and hurt minoritized people, the accusations that their enemies are "faking" their trauma, and denying that they are also LGBTQ+ or BIPOC/Jewish is extremely worrying.

Some people have played their behavior down as "rage bait" coming from "uneducated" teenagers, but the eagerness they display when they degrade people they hate tells, in our humble opinion, a different story. We also believe that most anti-shippers at least respect pro-shippers' basic human rights and identities - these hateful people do not.

The accounts with the random usernames and standard tumblr profile picture is the previously mentioned harasser "shoo". Most of their accounts are deactivated

Curiously enough they want to "redeem" pro-shippers of their wrongdoings, but to do that you must actually see "wrongdoers" as human. People who merely exist in their own spaces and who do not intrude in yours are not evil. People who respect internet etiquette are not criminals, nor can someone "recover" from being in favor of letting people be, even if someone ships something they dislike.

You must respect a human person on grounds of being a human if you want to redeem them.

And to be human means that no one is good or bad, we are simply people.

Secondly, these people erroneously compare being in favor of letting people ship whatever they want as long as it's fictional to a coping mechanism. But being in favor of or against ships is not a coping mechanism, and they never suggest a coping mechanism that, in their eyes, is better than adhering to fandom and internet etiquette.

We also find it quite interesting that an adult, rainbow-starheart, has come to the defense of yet another hateful person (or teenager, we are not sure), who keeps using the term "degenerate", who agreed with the intent to criminalize adult material and who called for the destruction of a queer webtoon.

Naturally we do not see issue with people disliking "Boyfriends", but just because you may not like it doesn't mean you should wish for its or any art piece's destruction.

We also have reason to believe that the hate group members do not care about copying and or indirectly supporting Republicans and their plans to harm and censor LGBTQ+ people. They most likely know who they're sounding like - and chose not to care

The screenshot above depicts the Heritage Foundation's "Project 2025"

And this screenshot is Oklahoma's new planned bill to criminalize adult material. This bill doesn't directly name trans people, it makes a reference to gay and trans people instead ("warps young people's perception of the opposite sex").

Have you noticed that the Republican Senator is calling adult material "degenerate material" and likens it to a highly addictive drug? These people also believe that one can "recover" from a nonexistent porn or sex addition despite the fact that major health organizations recognize it as a behavioral problem rather than an addiction instead.

Our belief is that people like these, despite identifying with left leaning identities and movements such as LGBTQ+, have never truly unlearned internal biases or have picked up anti-kink rhetoric and sex negativity from conservatives.

This is made evident as they only target anything related to sex, sexual assault and sexual health or kink, and associate transgressive fiction and kink with pedophilia.

The screenshot of rulerzreachf4n7's complaint about Medrano's show "Hazbin Hotel" proves this as well, to them the only problem lies in the fetishization of sexual assault. Other problematic behavior such as Val's love-bombing, violence and the manipulation of Angel is ignored.

Lastly, we are concerned that this inappropriate and concerning behavior is encouraged by another adult. We do not know how connected they are to the hate group above as they have previously never interacted with each other before until the harassment started.

The conversation in this screenshot shows that this adult and rainbow-starheart have become "protectors" to (these) minors, and this inappropriate behavior has unfortunately been normalized in fandoms.

Do not misunderstand, we are not accusing either adult of grooming, we simply criticize inappropriate behavior some of them (may) have shown such as:

promoting anti science beliefs and encouraging youths to trust random bloggers more than medical professionals

seeking validation and emotional support from minors

posing as "one of the good ones"; a self proclaimed protector of children and the vulnerable.

showing minors 18+ material to "warn them" about certain artists

encouraging minors to openly discuss pedophilia and sexual abuse in art

casually discussing sexual topics openly or privately with minors.

reblogging public posts from or encouraging minors to publicly discuss the "ethics" of kink based on personal disgust

making themselves seem safe compared to artists who draw or write the "nasty" media they or the minors they encourage cause scenes over

bonding over how "gross" certain sexual topics are

encouraging minors to catfish people they believe to be pedophiles and or sexual predators to "expose" them or to gain evidence

encouraging minors to seek out and "criticize" adults (random strangers) about (their) kink(s)

A true "safe adult" who has the best intentions for a minor or minors would not encourage them to "make connections" to or discuss pedophilia so openly. Minors should not discuss or be encouraged to talk (to random strangers) about any of these things on a public platform, it is inappropriate and unsafe for them especially

Now we would like to finish this post with the following:

You are allowed to dislike or feel disgusted about anyone and anything, for any or no reason at all

remember that anyone can be a predator regardless of the ideology they have, the things they support or how they treat others

disgust is a defense mechanism that protects us from harm, but not everything that triggers feelings of disgust is harmful

if you are truly disgusted by someone or something, it is healthier and easier to avoid the person or the thing rather than mocking, attacking or verbally abusing the person or the thing

blocking people is not censorship, it is a tool to make your internet experience more pleasant

to any harasser/to anti-fans/to shoo: do not engage or stop engaging, move on and leave people alone

here is your chance to let this discourse finally die. Do not contribute more to it because it will affect you too

Fandoms are for many a place to escape life. Do not join fandoms if your intent is to be a hater

please do not encourage for the censorship of art in an age where this is happening again. It does not benefit you at all

remember that trauma is always dark and never clean, as such healing process of a survivor may be messy

education and information is power. Do your own research instead of blindly believing others or rumors

verdict: anti-paradise and followers are not anti harassment

[yinyuedijun]

end notes for zero-sum game (tw: slavery, sexual abuse)

hi if you're here it means you read my deranged aventurine smut. thank you for reading that abomination lmao I hope you enjoyed it 😭 once again I've touched on really sensitive topics and don't want to be misread so I'm writing some disclaimers/explanations below:

In the act of gambling with human stakes, as well as doing business with human traffickers, Aventurine is essentially himself engaging in human trafficking. This is not something he particularly enjoys doing or wishes to exploit (which I did try to indicate in the narrative); he only does this for his role with the IPC. 

The reason I made this a narrative about human trafficking is not because I wish to glamorize this crime. I framed the narrative this way because I wanted to point out how Aventurine actively perpetuates the kind of capitalistic violence that ruined his life by being a Stoneheart. This is something that is implicit in the game but not openly explored, hence I expanded on it here.

Somewhat thematically related: the reader actively engages in self-objectification—using it neutrally as a tool for their espionage work at times, but also positively in order to eroticize their one-sided and exploitative relationship with Aventurine. This was not intended to condone the objectification of human beings; rather, I wanted to show how a lifetime of sexual objectification and extreme dehumanization as a slave has led them to objectify and dehumanize themselves, sometimes even in the capacity of enjoying it. 

Aventurine in canon similarly engages in self-objectification and dehumanization as a trauma response  (i.e. he refers to himself as a chip in a positive manner, clearly as a reaction to how his owner referred to him callously as a chip when he was a slave), though in my opinion he's not really implied to derive any real joy from the idea.

Related to the point of objectification: Aventurine and the reader clearly do not engage in particularly safe, sane or consensual sexual dynamics (specifically referring to how he started undressing them before they fully consented to public sex and just kind of decided what to do with them without prior discussion). This is not because I think this is acceptable behaviour; it is a reflection of their unequal power dynamic that the reader actively encourages and Aventurine is fine with perpetuating. It is also implied to be the result of his own distorted relationship with sex—he has literally been coerced into doing exactly the same thing in the very same establishment, and assumed that the reader would be fine with doing it too because they generally enjoy it when he exercises "ownership" over them, which they both associate with sexual control for traumatic reasons.

I've seen discourse around the fandom where people interpret the act of kissing Aventurine’s commodity code as a purely sexual or fetishizing action. I thus feel compelled to explain that the act of Aventurine and reader kissing each other’s codes in this story served a specific purpose within the wider narrative about dehumanization. I wrote a lot of things in this fic purely because I was ungodly levels of horny for Aventurine (lol), but those particular actions actually had narrative weight lol 

With all this being said, I hope it is clear that the reason I chose to focus on themes of slavery and dehumanization is not because I intend to promote or glamorize them, but because I wanted to explore specific points of Aventurine’s characterization that exist in canon. The theme of sexual abuse (and its psychological fallout) is also something that is a natural extension of his story arc in canon. I have no wish to perpetuate any of these things, and I have faith that my audience can distinguish fiction from reality and thus will not have their perspectives on real life issues be seriously influenced by my dumb horny fic on tumblr dot com. 

Also I should hope this is obvious but do not use your regular everyday gloves to finger someone! I like to imagine that Aventurine’s expensive science fiction gloves has the incredible ability to remain sterile in everyday circumstances 👍

[dreaming-of-mogai]

TW: Pregnancy, Delusions, Phantom Pregnancy etc.

[ID: two flags with seven stripes. Its colors are muted purples fading into muted indigo. The first flag has a symbol of a person frowning with their hands over their stomach, sweating symbols above their head and irritation symbols beside their stomach area. The second flag has no icon. End of ID]

Phantom Pregnancy Awareness Flag

[PT: Phantom Pregnancy Awareness Flag. End of PT]

I made this in mind for those with schizospec, psychosis, delusions, hallucinations, exomemories, plural folks etc who all deal with Phantom Pregnancies. I don't see people talk about it much but i feel like its important. I may make an updated flag as i made this for a temporary one for now for ourself.

This Flag is Not:

For kink / nsft / fetishes

A transid term ( "transpregnant" )

Meant to be mocking, romanticizing, or rude.

A gender

[ID: a medium pink with light pink banner with dark pink text that reads "DNI: Anti Endos, Anti MSPEC gays/lesbians, Anti Furry, Anti Therians, Anti Kin/IRL, Discourse, etc." It also has Pink Diamond from Steven Universe both on the left and the right. End of ID]

[tenshidecay]

　　　　　　　　　　　Jude　✟　nb★boy

　　　　　　　　　　　　　「he/him」　16yo

　　　　　　　　　　†. jirai kei ໒꒱　ITA/ENG

　　　　　　　　#1 Kyouso Shizuki fanboy 🤍

　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　⁺‧₊˚ ཐི⋆♱⋆ཋྀ ˚₊‧⁺

TW: occasional ED mention (I have a blog all about it), sh, suicidal thoughts, vents, all the jirai shit !!this is your only warning, I won't put TWs on my posts!!. I relate the fashion aspects with jirai kei however, it is not a fashion. I WILL talk about stuff like dark girly, mizuiru, yami kawaii etc etc because this is my blog and I do whatever the fuck I want, just keep in mind I'll never be calling them "jirai fashion"

I am a (sharing) Kanato Sakamaki yume, if you're non-sharing DNI!! Stay safe!!!

!!ALSO KEEP IN MIND: there's a very low chance I'll participate in any sort of chain post/thingy in which I have to tag mutuals or have to send out anon asks, please don't take it personally it's just my issue!!

DNF: antis (I am profic idgaf), radqueers, heavy into discourse, fashion "jirais", fetishize/demonize mental illness (stay the fuck away from me), pro-c para and the whole deal.

Anyone who would fit a "basic DNI criteria" kys

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[damnfandomproblems]

About 6988: (TW for sexual assault, pedophilia, death threat mentions, and zoophilia)

You got brainwashed by antis. Antis have been the ones being exposed as pedophiles and even defended them. The anti lolicon people have stuff behind EDP445 because he said lolicon is pedophilia. For those who don’t know, EDP445 is a disgraced YouTuber who was caught TWICE trying to meet up a minor for sex. Once was a guy pretending to be a 13 year old girl, twice is where he tried to meet a real life 16 year old and sexted her. He SOMEHOW got a platform again.

There are actual pedophile rings on Twitter with adults meeting actual minors and using codes and emojis to hide what is actually happening, a proshipper pointed this out, and an anti was actively looking the other way and instead focused all of their attention on what the proshipper liked in fiction. Imagine that someone points out a pedophile ring and you see someone looking the other way because they saw someone’s taste in fiction and instead put 100% of their focus on that and not children being groomed and social media.

I have seen antis get caught being creeps. One anti was sexually harassing an ex partner while they were 18 and she was 15. Another anti who is a horror themed lewd V-Tuber (ironic) interacted with minors from ages 14 to 17 years old. Idc if you knew the minors as friends or if you’re 18, you should not be interacting with minors as a NSFW account.

I’ve also seen antis ENCOURAGE proshippers, who they THINK are “pedophiles” to go hurt real children. I’ve also seen them tell people to kill themselves over fiction. I’ve seen an anti tell a recovering self harm addict to “relapse.” I’ve seen too many antis tell sexual assault victims that they “deserved their abuse,” or they invalidated them.

Antis were also the reason why a non-binary artist I liked get ran off the internet all over what? A yucky incest ship? Seriously? THAT is the reason why they get ran off the Internet, meanwhile actual pedophiles still have platforms or have been given platforms?

Antis are also the reason why most fanfic writers quit because they don’t like the content they write.

Antis have been racist to said fanfic writers. Particularly, a south Asian writer who wrote dark fetish content who used dark content as a coping mechanism.

I’ve also seen an anti who is another V-Tuber get exposed for being a rapist, as they repeatedly attempted to have sex with an ex partner against their will while they were drunk and they ONLY stopped when their partner started crying. They also got off to their ex’s photos without their consent as well and cheated on their partner by sexting a minor.

Also, antis were strangely very quiet when it came to infamous zoophile Kero the Wolf coming back as a V-Tuber. For those who don’t know, I’m sorry for the horrors I’m about to tell you. Kero the Wolf was a part of a few zoosadist and zoophilia rings and even sexually abused his OWN DOG. Then, he made a half-assed apology (like that will ever reverse the damage he did to those poor animals and his own dog…) went into hiding for a very long time, then came back as a V-Tuber model and used a voice changer. Antis have not talked about this guy, and yet it’s the people who can separate fiction from reality (aka, proshippers) who spoke up about him.

THE LIST GOES ON. Do you STILL want to paint Proshippers as the “bad guys” and Antis as the “good guys” here? If you still think Proshippers are bad even after I tell you all of this, then idk what to tell you.

I don’t label myself as a proshipper. Because I think the label is stupid. Back then, we called it, “mind your own business,” and “Don’t like? Don’t look.” But hey, because of the state of the internet from 2016 to now, those labels and the ongoing “proshipper vs anti” discourse will still continue because we’re gonna keep letting it continue.

Posting as a response to a previous problem.

[badgalsasuke]

Fujoshis fetishize gay men?

So this is more of an opinion essay/think piece on the never ending discourse regarding whether fujoshis fetishize gay men or not.

TW: discussions of rape and other forms of sexual assault. Crude language too.

First things first, let's define what is a fujoshi. The word fujoshi, which literally means ‘rotten’ and connotes the presumed, perversions of women who fantasize about male-male eroticism (Pagliassotti, 2013) are also widely considered to be heterosexual women who seek erotic content of homosexual men to fulfill their own sexual fantasies through a different lense, one that by removing the female character found in heterosexual romances, allows women to indulge in "perverted" writing without feeling the urge to condemn the text that'd otherwise happen if it was a fictional woman going through these scenarios.

Think of the amount of BL works depicting rape, kidnapping, sexual acts with dubious consent, physical assault such as choking or slapping and other forms of violence. In BL works these acts tend to be presented as desirable. The bottom, who is usually the one subjected to this violence, will say no to these acts but the top will ignore the pleads because he knows deep down the bottom desires what is happening to him. There lies the fantasy.

Under patriarchy women have a deeply complicated relationship with sex. As a woman you can exist as either the whore or the madonna. Women who enjoy sex proudly and loudly are quickly labelled as whores and thus degraded by both men and other women, becoming outcasts of society; for women sexuality is shameful and must be hidden at all costs but this of course, doesn't stop women from having sexual desires and urges. This creates a very interesting phenomenon; you want to mantain your respectability as a woman because you're not like one of those sluts that actively seek to be degraded through sex and penetration (all sex is degrading when you're penetrated, that is the patriarchal view of sex), but you still desire to be touched and feel physical pleasure so women end up developing "taboo" sexual fantasies, acts that normally you would be disgusted at, except in the privacy of your mind.

Naturally, the erotic content aimed at women consists for the the most part of a woman forced or coerced into sexual acts that she deep downs know she enjoys and actually wants. You cannot be a slut this way, you did not open your legs for a man he did it! her forced you! you didn't want to do the things he made you do because you're so pure you could have not thought about them in the first place! but he still made you reach an orgasm, didn't he? Women become passive agents during sex to avoid the stigmatization of slutshaming.

This of course is a reproduction of rape culture in media and is the reason why so many women became detractors of heterosexual erotica. That's where BL comes into question; take the female character out of the equation and instead insert a male character with a preference for penetration and have him go through the same stuff, bonus points if he's very feminine looking. The character is still being assaulted and violated but by making him a man instead of a woman you distance him from the female audience thus minimazing the guilt and shame women'd get from reading such stories.

It's no surprise that these stories have become so popular among women, they have the erotic taboo elements so many fantasize about while making sure women don't see themselves directly in the abuse.

This is the issue that gay men in real life have with fujoshis and BL as a whole. And I get it.

It's understandable why gay men find unappealing the idea of being used as self-inserts put through grueling scenarios to fulfill somebody else's sexual fantasies and that somebody else being someone that will never have to go through the struggles of a gay person will, similar to lesbians not liking being objectified in porn by straight men for the pleasure of other straight men.

There's other cases of marginalized communities being used as some type of doll for sexual scenarios, for example black men who are often fetishized over their penises by white people to the point there's a whole porn category for it: "my wife tries a BBC in front of me", "Twink destroyed by a BBC", "Sucking a BBC for the first time", and many more titles likes that in every porn site you can find. Asian women are also fetishized by westerners, they're attributed naivety and innocence traits and are portrayed as naturally submissive to fulfill a borderline pedophilic fantasy. Latinos deal with fetishization too, as a Mexican myself I can attest that latinas and latinos have been painted as oversexual beings that always want to have sex and are always down to have sex with anyone available.

All this fetishization leads to dehumanization of the group you're protraying in your erotic works or media so of course it will have its detractors.

So yes, I can acknowledge the feelings of gay men regarding certain BL stories. Those certain stories definitely dominate the BL market but here's where I have to say those are not the only type of stories you can find in BL and that's not fully what the term fujoshi encompasses.

I mentioned at the beginning of this post that fujoshis are considered to be mostly straight women. I think that is an unfair generalization to make, there's also queer women and trans people, both men and women, that proclaim themselves as fujoshis who have found a safe space in BL fan communities to explore sexuality hand in hand with GL content and communities. After all BL is still queer content that can be and is enjoyed by queer people.

Aditionally, I don't think there's anything inherently wrong with straight women enjoying queer content. In the same way queer people can enjoy media depicting heterosexual romance I believe straight people can also enjoy queer media. There's a difference between a someone who's fetishizing a group of people and someone who's engaging with gay media like they would for any other type of media. I do find it to be a dangerous path to act like it's wrong for heterosexual people to enjoy queer media and push them away from it, queer media should be consumed as much as straight media.

This aversion to straight women who enjoy mlm stories has led to shippers of mlm pairings from media that's not sold as BL (Naruto, JJK, etc.) to frantically trying to prove they're not a straight girl. Again, it defitnitely needs to be told that not everyone who ships mlm is a straight girl, these are still queer spaces occupied by queer people, however there's still nothing wrong if you're a straight girl that ships mlm because anyone can (or should be able to) notice queer subtext, which leads to my next point.

When it comes to online discourse surrounding fujoshis it's always presumed that mlm ships from non-bl works came to be because a silly horny straight girl saw two boys breathe next to each other and decided they would look hot together regardless of how they're actually written in their respective canon works, I'm sure there's definitely some mlm ships out there that abide by these standards but not all of them do. I've noticed that when it comes to mlm ships that aren't endgame but have actual homoromantic writing in their canon work homophobes tend to weaponize the term fujoshi against its shippers, hence the frantic need in so many mlm shippers to prove that they're not the stereotypical fujoshi.

I believe that is the harmful fujoshi stereotype here, not that straight girls like to ship boys with other boys but that the shipping is shallow. There is this assumption that no one takes homoromantic and homoerotic writing seriously and everybody is just here for the shits and giggles, which I find quite frankly offensive. It's anti-intellectualism to pretend there's no place for interpretations through queer lenses of any type of media.

As a SNS shipper I can guarantee everybody that's not in the Naruto fandom that shippers in this community take queer analyses and readings of the manga seriously here. Sure, some people joined because they thought both Naruto and Sasuke looked cute together or because they accidentally kissed and presumed that moment to be fujoshi fanservice but once they're in they start seeing all the queer writing in the actual manga. SNS isn't the only ship where this occurs.

SNS shippers care about the writing of the manga and its characters perhaps more than any other subfandom in the fandom, to the point several shippers were able to predict what was gonna happen in the manga years before it actually happened.

On top of all that we have endless metas, masterposts, essays and manifestos that show SNS shippers having such deep understading of Kishimoto's writing and the characters he's created. SNS fanworks have dialogues that are exactly what the characters would actually say, in the case of By My Side even the panels are the same, you can read the full doujinshi here. For more examples of other doujinshi predicting manga chapters click here.

Fetishizers can't predict the writing of a piece of work because they wouldn't care about the writing in the first place, they're just here to see two guys suck each other off.

So when the term fujoshi is weaponized by het!shippers towards mlm shippers (not just SNS shippers) I find what they're actually trying to do is shut down any and every queer reading of media and to paint all shippers as shallow & mindlessly horny morons in an attempt to delegitimize us and our arguments. You know how it goes "why does everything have to be gay? why can't they just be friends? y'all always turn everything gay". In some cases they take it a step further and start accusing mlm shippers of supporting incest to the point they've even created the term "pseudo-incest" that supposedly represents two men with no blood relation but have such a close relationship they could be brothers (so basically, not incest). What is funny is that this term is exclusively reserved for mlm ships, you'll never hear anyone use it for a f/m ship where both characters have refered to each other as siblings even if they don't have blood relation. Textbook homophobia.

Queer and straight people can spot queer subtext (that sometimes isn't subtext but actual text), this does not make them fetishizers, to imply such to silence their analyses is homophobic.

So, if you're a straight girl who noticed the queer subtext of any media then don't be ashamed or scared of it because you liked it, don't let the homophobes corner you, *you* are the one who understood the text. And if you're a queer person then defend your stance even more proudly, don't be one of those pick-me gays that go "well, I'm gay/bi and I don't see it as gay" just because they want acceptance from the homophobes. Inquire, question the status quo, look deeper into the meaning of things, I promise you once you spot the first sign of gayness you will find more layers to it.

Finally, regarding the explicit sexual content in gay media:

Y'all have very weird opinions on bottoming. I already posted about it here. But basically y'all need to stop seeing the bottom as the girl of the relationship and need to stop seeing being penetrated as an act of humilliation. I know some people like when the traditional top/bottom dynamic is subverted (I do too!) y'know when they make the top shorter than the bottom, or the top is the feminine one or stuff like that but you gotta keep in mind that no matter how they look, they're still both men so it's still a gay ship, the bottom being a feminine man doesn't make him a girl, that's still a man.

Likewise, there's nothing wrong with explicit sexual content. Over the past couple years people have taken this weird almost puritanical stance on sex scenes not just of gay media but all media where they just want them to not be included at all and it's just bizarre, there's nothing wrong with sex (and no, you're not being oppressed or traumatized by a movie because it has sex scenes my god).

Personally, I will always defend sex scenes in gay media. Give me more The Handmaiden idgaf. Gay sex has been taboo, criminalized and hidden for decades, it should now be CELEBRATED and SHOWCASED as the act of love it is as much as straight sex. Furthermore, you don't have to choose one or the other when it comes to gay media that's sexual and the one that keeps its rating PG-13. You can have both, you should fight and demand to have both, you can have your Heartstopper and your Interview With The Vampire. I really don't like when some people go "finally a show where the gays aren't always f*cking" I sense sinister vibes...

This might be perhaps a hot take but I also don't think we should shy away from queer stories that depict sexual abuse either. I understand that they can be triggering for some people but this should not lead to censorship which can be quite arbitrary and cause the persecution of creatives that wish to explore sexulity beyond the confines of what's "proper" or "adequate".

Oh also, maybe we shouldn’t generalize the entire BL industry as an industry that only produces “problematic” stories, there’s a lot of variety out there and it’s actually really easy to find. But the problematic stories should still exist, again I'm not calling for censorship but rather a different aproach to our engagement with these stories.

In conclusion, some fujoshis definitely have weird behaviours towards actual gay men and the way they choose to depict them in their works but also the term fujoshi has been weaponized to silence queer readings of media and art by homophobes, the two can co-exist.

Reference:

Pagliassotti Dru., Boys’ Love manga special section, Journal of Graphic Novels and Comics (2013)

[the-autistic-vulcan]

The Loli Type: The Differences of How the Loli Archetype in Anime is used

TW//: Inappropriate themes, pedophillia themes, fetish content discussed

The Loli Archetype:

"The general idea is that these characters come off as really innocent, mainly because of their youthful appearance." (Majitora Wiki)

I recently came upon some discourse on Tiktok (of all places), specifically on Dungeon Meshi, when discussing the appropriateness of people having their fictional crush being Chilchuck Tims, the half-foot lockpick of the party. One particular post caught my attention where an art account depicted Chilchuck in spicy content, nothing too nsfw, but still spicy. The comments were pretty much at war as to how the reactions of other commentors and even the artist viewed the character, calling out the double standard as to how male loli-types are reacted to differently than female-loli types. And much of this point of view has to do with the context of the story (whether anime or manga) and the original intent of the mangaka (creator). A few examples will go into detail about the handling of this archetype - reader discretion is advised.

KINUE HAYASE - MASAMUNE-KUN NO REVENGE

(couldn't find a gif. GOOD)

Arguably one of the most infamous of examples of the Loli-Type in female characters, according to the character description, she is "a positive mother who is always doting on her children and she shows special attention to Masamune Makabe where she is always trying to do things that will make him happy" (Wiki). And, according to sources, she is reportedly a 40 year old, as well. Due to fairly obvious reasons, it is understandable why people are deterred by her, however some are not - she is a plot device in the sense that she was created for fetish content, particularly on her constant doting on her son, clearly meant to be a play on a young girl willing to please a man. Is it reading too much into it? Sure. But it is still worth noting. In recent years, she is a heavily memed-on character and has become a fairly niche inside joke in the anime community - although not explicitly an nsfw character, but the projection of such an agenda is incredibly evident.

ELAINE - SEVEN DEADLY SINS

This is where it gets slightly complicated. Having only seen the first season of this show and dropped it, I came to the conclusion that Elaine was clearly not a character geared towards me, but more so to men - here is my explanation. Elaine, in the context of this world, is thousands of years old, and fairies in this world do not age the same way as humans do. But my problem with her isn't necessarily her character, because I think she had potential, it was just her very childish appearance and somewhat childish behavior (at least in season one), that easily puts people off. However, this particular behavior is common for mangakas and television companies to hone in on - amping up the childishness to fit the loli-type behavior. Her love interest is Ban, who looks significantly older to the non-fan viewer or reader, and the relationship without much context can come off as incredibly predatory - but even with the context, it still comes off as creepy considering Ban is incredibly obsessed with her, and hooked on trying to get her back. She was a character clearly meant for the male audience of Seven Deadly Sins, as were pretty much the entire female cast, but I'll end it here for now.

MITSKUNI 'HONEY' HANINOZUKA - OURAN HIGHSCHOOL HOST CLUB

The male loli-archetype is a more difficult one to dissect as it isn't as common as the female loli. But Honey-Senpai is a very good example to discuss this particular subject. The purpose of Honey wasn't to inherently fetishized the loli-type or young-looking people, but to make fun of the loli-archetype and how audiences fawn over cute things - which include people. Honey is incredibly childish, considering he is a third year at Ouran Academy, making him approximately 18 years old in canon. He doesn't have typical 18 year old interests, and instead indulges in sweets, cake, Usa-chan (his bunny plush), and is often depicted as easily over-emotional, all of this is also a part of his marketing in the host club, according to Kyoya Ootori. However, it is easy for people to see why Honey's character is so over the top childish, but it does leave a certain gateway open for Honey being fetishized.

CHILCHUCK TIMS - DELICIOUS IN DUNGEON

And now, our eponymous subject - the one that inspired this post. Chilchuck Tims is a character I genuinely adore and to a certain extent, I understand why people were turned off from him - his unbelievable youthfulness. Chilchuck in the story is a half-foot (or halfling for any D&D fans out there). In this universe, Half-foot people naturally look very young and only live until a certain age, hence why they mature quite young (around 13 years old). The character is 29 years old, a divorcee father of three and...doesn't act like a child. That singular factor separates him from the likes of the previous three examples. Yes, you could make a case for Elaine that she also come from a fantasy world, but both character's behavior are very different. Chilchuck has adult interests, he has adult occupations and acts like a brash, emotionally stunted dad to the rest of the party, and aside from Senshi, is the oldest of the group.

Do I personally think Chilchuck could be candidate for the Loli-type like Honey-Senpai or Kinue? No.

Is the aging typically canonized to the fantasy world like Elaine? Yes.

Does he act like a child? No.

Is he perceived as a child? Yes, but mangaka Ryoko Kui wrote Chilchuck's character to be complex and not some form of fetish fodder for readers and viewers

In conclusion: Chilchuck Tims is not a Loli-Type character as he does not fit the personality criteria - childish, whiny and overall acts like a child.

I think the discourse on Chilchuck as a character is somewhat unnecessary and heavily taken out of the context of the series. Unlike the other examples used, Chilchuck is not used for fetishization and rather is just a little joke that he looks young despite his adult-reared interests.

(idk how to end this)

Hopefully this cleared some things up and I would like to hear other's opinions on this.

[florenceisfalling]

to my followers unaware of what the fuck im talking about re: toonimal, txttletale, and tyler

tw for csa and transmisogyny

edit: check comments after reading

toonimal aka ezra orena is a tumblr user who also ran a website for "big three" paraphiles (pedo/necro/zoo), including those who are pro-contact and including minors. this obviously led to a bunch of pedophiles sexually engaging with minors and exchanging abuse material.

ezra was already known for being pro-contact in some spaces and had been called out for it. ezra was thus banned on aethy, which is an 18+ proship website, i assume due to the following rules:

there was mild pushback to the fact that aethy also banned ezra's callout, not just ezra; however, this was due to the fact that spreading a callout about ezra's website would also spread links to a pro-csa space:

despite the aethy ban, ezra wasn't called out in the mainstream (to my knowledge) until more recently, when a super huge google doc rolled in with evidence of the abusive behaviors on his website

also despite this, when this doc dropped, some people targeted and doxxed a completely unrelated moderator of aethy for something they had no involvement in.

the google doc. is bad. i understand the good intentions, but it includes irrelevant fantasy as evidence and, more importantly, does not censor victim names. it also does exactly what aethy mods were seeking to avoid by providing a platform for this site, rather than sending it to the proper authorities and letting it get handled properly. statement from an aethy mod:

however, the doc includes lots of evidence for toonimal and his site's users being abusers. its Bad. really really really bad.

because many people did not know toonimal was advocating for abuse prior to the doc being shared, toonimal had some popular posts on tumblr.

one of these posts is a post about "killing the cop in your head" re: accusing people of being degenerate or dangerous over fetishes and kinks that are taboo. while the post might seem weird with the context that ezra is a pedophile, this post was incredibly popular among people who didn't realize. it was just a solid discourse post at the time:

in fact, i checked, and i reblogged this post back in the summer, before i knew that toonimal was advocating for pedophilic contact. this post was not part of some "niche pedophile community." this post currently has 19,000+ notes. it does not mention contact with children. it mentions kink and shipping. drastically different from the content on ezra's site!

and even if you did elect to check ezra's about page before posting, ezra isn't an "open" pedophile. there's a reason his site was secret.

neither of these things mention paraphilias. you have to click on a separate link in the about page to see the tags/warnings that mention lolicon (which is fiction anyway) or illegal paraphilias. even after clicking on those, ezra still upheld on tumblr at the time that he was anti-contact.

the above screenshot is from 3 months ago. now, ezra posts things in the pro-contact vein, but again: he was denying this three months ago. his post was popular even back six months ago. in fact, ezra denied he was pro-contact a week ago, but when evidence popped up he just resorted to insults.

now that we've established that ezra being a pedo was not common knowledge and his post was literally just a popular kink discourse post...

tumblr user txttletale aka healed, who is a trans woman, reblogged it with the following comment months ago:

and later makes a post expressing her opinion on games like stardew valley having somewhat problematic elements to them. in response...

random tumblr cis gay man gets mad and says that healed aka txttletale "markets incest shipping and loliporn as an inherent part of queer sexuality" because she reblogged the toonimal post with 19k notes MONTHS before ezra was called out

reread the toonimal post. there is no mention of loliporn.

even if there was, thats a drawing. its fiction. just like the farming simulator is fiction. who cares

roadhogsbigbelly then doubles down and says that, well, healed might not have mentioned loli, but ezra would support loli. the problem is, again, ezra was not even entirely open about this. why on earth would healed be endorsing that solely by reblogging ezra's post?

then, people start to accuse healed of being in a secret pedophile community with ezra and other popular trans women on tumblr, like predstrogen and maia crimew

a bunch of them notably being from a group of bloggers who love to harass people over stupid shit, be exclusionists, and make conspiracy theories about "closet pedos" and generally just talk shit about anyone they deem below them - especially tgirl bloggers

most of this harassment operates on the idea that healed was mutuals with ezra or aware of ezra's behavior, meanwhile she reblogged ezra's post 3 reblogs down a chain and literally didn't directly interact with ezra at all. neither of them followed each other

people also brought up healed's past controversies, most of which have been apologized for or were simply not fucking relevant

even if healed did follow ezra, the insistence that loli aka drawings is what is sooo sketchy about ezra rather than the fact that he had a site full of ADULTS INTERACTING SEXUALLY WITH REAL MINORS is absolutely fucking batshit

also healed has posted stuff against loli and proship fic/art before. healed literally doesn't approve of that stuff fucking anyway which is imo hypocritical to the kink thing but still proves the accusations against her are false

roadhog guy continues doubling down on how ageplay/cnc/incest shipping/etc is Bad; yet argues that pup play is fine. he thinks ageplay is pedophilia but zoophilia isnt a problem to this guy i guess

despite the fact that the guy who made the pedo website is a trans dude and the victims in the doc were overwhelmingly transfem, random trans women who had no idea ezra was a creep are becoming the main targets of a ridiculous harassment campaign. its such blatant fucking transmisogyny it makes me want to crack my skull open

the neotrances/tyler friend group continues to be weird about it, including getting furious that healed defended herself from pedophilia allegations rather than vetting literally every blog she interacts with or trying to needlessly battle against adults engaging in consensual kink

i hate all of this. so deeply

ultimately my opinions are

ezra has done so many completely fucking awful things and deserves every inch of the backlash he received. he deserves no support for all of this. avoiding him seems to be the best course of action at the moment. part of that involves letting the legal shit go down rather than trying to out-twitter him and his friends over sex crimes. his site probably already had feds on it tbh.

having paraphilic feelings isnt a crime, but involving real children is. genuinely fuck all of the adults on ezra's site

aethy and its moderators experienced targeted harassment over shit they were uninvolved with. this included doxxing and harassing their families. this is especially cruel since they seem to be one of the few sources of common sense in the situation

the targeting of healed, avery, maia, and others: completely just transmisogyny. this shit is insane and nobody should be held to the batshit standards they were held to. please pay attention to this shit and dont let it happen again. don't let stupid discourse un-person a trans woman for something she literally didn't do.

raging about loli/ageplay/whatever the fuck is completely stupid, especially in this situation. when faced with an actual group of pedophiles who are targeting actual, living and breathing children, why do people scream about the fictional expressions of abuse rather than the real-world examples of it?

again. so much of this is just transmisogyny.

fuck tyler and his little clique . all to hell

the people who spread the doc tended to treat csa as a joke. the doc put victims on blast. the doc mishandled evidence.

apologies for any inaccuracies im somewhat late to the ordeal

[yumeyuyumeyume]

pissy messy vent over the smallest thing (actually spiraling so tw)

I really hate it when someone who's a fan of my f/o draws better, is more creative, has more creative storylines in their heads, draws so much better stories and knows more content abt him than me. ik I should feel inspired and look up to them, but I can't help but feel like crying. I'd like to be friends with them and others but I feel inferior, esp as someone who fucking selfships with a highschool anime character (even though I don't gaf abt his age bc I see him as my age or ageless) and has a reallty nasty fetishes that belongs in fucking deviantart that I've had since I was a little kid all bc of unrestricted internet access and youtube. just look at them, all pure, they can draw so much comic series without being lazy and their fics and comic series are so cute that I'm crying again... meanwhile I'm a disgusting lazy freaky wuss who doesn't know him as much than they do and is too shy to even consume official media of him otherwise I get overwhelmed and stop after just one millisecond.

life would be much better if I was a pure vanilla child-hearted person (I don't wanna say anti bc antis are cruel and harass). I really hate myself and my sullied heart. I wish all this fandom discourse and paranoid anti mindsets a very burn to hell and that everyone just gets along and be full of joy and rainbows and all stuff and that there's no such thing as discourse labels or dnis.

I don't know how to express my feelings well but I don't even feel angry, just crying. there's no way to completely purify myself until I hate even the word "romance" so here I am. I should stop being a victim and just be like them, but idk how... idk how to expand my imagination further.

just where the hell did this whimsy child in me go...??

[yoichiue]

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[felixdragonheartofficial]

TW: MENTIONS OF MEGASTAR, SA, ABUSE

I've said this before, but I deleted the Megastar post during a manic episode which sucks because i still stand by the points I made

Not all Megastars are created equal.

There are many, many, MANY fanfics of Megastar where it's legit just the rapeyist power fantasy I've ever had the displeasure of seeing

I've noticed that many people in the transformers fandom can, and will villanize the shit out of you if you ship Megastar

And I can understand to a degree

-which like

-What the fuck

Idk, maybe it's because many like to project onto megatron, and as soon as there's a flamboyant, seemingly weaker man going against what they want, they write this cringe power fantasy where they can jerk off to the power imbalance

I understand getting mega sus of the cyberverse/unicron/idw/tfp shippers

I can fully understand ostracizing those mfs because I also want no association with the kinds of people

(especially the tfp/idw megastar shippers holy shit)

Most (not all) of the fanfic stuff I've seen from those two specifically are a different kind of 3rd degree cringe, I can assure you

but unless you have proof of posts or fanfics made by those individuals that prove they infact ship megastar for the abuse, I don't think you should be sending them death threats or making very gross assumptions about their character over it

*This is the part where I defend myself or something*

I am specifically a TFA megastar shipper

These mfs in this fucking show are so goddamn petty istg

I fucking love them

Literally the match made in hell-my otp of all time

The playing field is much more even for those two, starscream is able and confident enough to take on megatron by himself, which leads to megatron actually struggling to fight him lmao

TFA is most likely the safest of all the ship versions because of how goofy these goobers are, they legit spend most of their time together trolling the piss out of each other- it's very dumb

TFA starscream doesn't have a past of being abused by megatron, And I've never depicted them as an abusive couple towards each other

So it really rubbed me the wrong way when someone legit accused me of having a-

FUCKIN RAPE FETISH CUZ I SHIPPED THE TWO CHARACTERS????

Like I'm seriously not trying to do a whole " woe is me UWU" thing but YOU CAN SEE WHY I HAVE A PROBLEM WITH SOME PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY WHEN IT COMES TO SHIPPING DISCOURSE RIGHT???

[roxanneslosteyes]

Full DNI

Tw for brief mentions of heavily topics (p3d0philia, incest, abuse, SA/sexual abuse, rape and human trafficking)

warning for minor mentions of Proshippers/proships since people like me are uncomfortable with Proshippers/Proships or they are uncomfortable with shipping discourse (that's what people call it to my knowledge).

So if you are uncomfortable with these topics I highly suggest to not look at this post or at least wait if you are in good mindset to read it

Side note: There are no fandoms {besides like one due to the nature the type of media is} nor harmless ships on this dni list because if there any media or harmless ship I don't like is normally blacklisted by now. This dni don't really have tags for those types of people. And the ones that do have tags don't really use them sometimes so they can still interact with my account when I don't want them too.

(BIG NOTE: If I mention Fetishisation or fetishize. It's in not in the context with Fetishes. Fetishisation in this context means treating group of individuals mostly minority groups as sex objects or even heavy topics as sexual "fantasy". This type of heavy Fetishisation isn't done by survivors as a coping mechanism but by people who aren't survivors and it's very harmful. For example, if someone has a rape fetish, it fuels the rape culture beliefs, that's one of the ways Fetishisation of heavy topics can be harmful.)

Proshippers/Comshippers/Darkshippers (Whatever those types of "shippers" are now called, these shippers fetishizes heavily topics in ships like abuse, incest, etc. Also some Darkshippers still use proshipper term so that's why I added it here)

(In the original context of term proship and comship was originally pretty harmless. Comship was originally made for ships that were complexed like Goddess/God x human, vampire x human, Vampire x werewolf, etc. However the fetishes changed their name by stealing another shipper name which complicated things this is the same for proship which was originally meant supporters of ships (which was harmless and not fetishizing heavily topics) until those fetishizers stole the term and completely changing the original meaning.) (And the fact proship/darkship/comship community has alot of adults who are groomers too and has groomed minors into being proshippers/Darkshippers so yeah the community is just a safe place for online child sexual predators or child predators or Darkshippers/proshippers are child predators/Sexual child predators themselves but dont want to admit it) (side Note 1: Darkshippers still use proship/proshippers and still use comship/comshippers even though users are trying to get these terms BACK to their original meaning so that's why they are on the list) (side note 2:I have blacklisted the tags for proshippers/Darkshippers/Comshippers so I won't see them but sometimes they won't use the tags for some reason. I had a Darkshipper's artwork on my fyp of a fandom I love and a meme with two characters from the fandom I love. I reblogged it but didn't know they were a darkshipper until I looked back and saw a tag saying they are a Darkshipper. I did unreblog and unlike it and blocked them.)

(Another reason: They also disrespect creators boundaries so add Proshippers/dark shippers community being a safe place for sexual harassers and rape culture mindset people)

profic people (people who are interested in harmful things in fictional media isn't lime that in real life. For example someone being a lolicon/someone who in sexual or romantic interested in child-like in looks or child anime characters ≠ liking kids in that way/ways irl. Even though it still makes one a pedophile no matter if the child is fictional or not.), Radqueers (Someone who thinks people with harmful paraphiles like pedophile, Zoophiles, Necrophilies and transids/transracial/transabled/etc linked to transids should be in the queer community.)

(Lolis/Lolibait being one of the harmful things in fictional media.)

(Note: The fetishized/Fetishizes/Fetishers as in fetishisation, Fetishisation and Fetishes are VERY two different things despite sharing a same word. One is straight up bad because its harmful aka Fetishisation because Fetishisation treats groups of people as sex objects not humans)

(Examples of groups of people that Fetishisation has its hands on: sex workers, women, lgbtq people, POC/People of colour, traumatised people etc. Fetishisation even applies to heavy topics like SA, p3d0, ¡nc3$t, etc which harms people who went through those trauma. This type of Fetishisation isn't from traumatised people nor does it come from people with mental issues/disorders, it's comes from non traumatised people/abled body people (people with no disorders/mental issues) because its apart of the Fetishisation of the traumatised people who went through this trauma. For example there is a popular book about heavy topics however re-releases of that book, the cover of these re-releases sexualizes the heavy topics in the book. Because its apart of that heavy topics Fetishisation.)

(Note pt 2: while one is in the grey zone aka Fetishes. Grey zone doesn't mean it is 100% bad thing and you are automatically a evil person! It's a complex thing that depends on the person 👍. How is it complex? Well Some Fetishes can be apart sadly apart of Fetishisation, while other come naturally, while others are from trauma, while others are come from disorders or mental issues, etc. That's why it's complex, this is same said with kinks which is also complex and in the grey area because it's depends on the person for that reason and how they are treating their Fetishes/kinks. Fetishes and kinks aren't all evil but we all have to be aware of horrible people who are misusing their fetishes/kinks to keep people with fetishes and kinks safe from those types of people because those types of people don't see their partners as human with boundaries, safe words and feelings but an object which doesn't create a healthy environment in that nature. The people who misuse kinks/fetishes come from fetishisation to the point they might harm people in real life because of their kinks/fetishes that came from fetishisation. Fetishisation even got its dirty hands of fetishes and kinks too however not everyone has sexual fantasies/kinks/fetishes come from fetishisation/want to harm others! There is a big difference between people with fetishes/sexual fantasies/kinks that don't come from fetishisation and people with fetishes/kinks/sexual fantasies that come from fetishisation!)

people who hate on kins (like fictionkins, dollkins, otherkins, etc) and therians

p3d0s (this includes L0l¡/sh0t@ likers/supporters) (Note: I'm not talking about people with intrusive thoughts nor people who was falsely accused of the horrible crimes like p3d0ph¡l¡a. They don't count in this dni) (Context: Lolicons and Shotacons are grown adults who find fictional characters that look like children/toddlers/babies attractive or sexual attractive. So yeah basically they are pedophiles trying to justify their sick behaviour behind "It's fiction" excuse. Shotacons for attracted to little boys and Lolicon being attracted to little girls)

Z00files/Animal rapists

Crypto bros/sisters (idk the female version of a Crypto bro even though there are women who go into Crypto)

People who support or make gen ai "music" (context: I didn't know this was a thing until I saw a fanart of one of my favourite characters and that artists sadly put ai gen "music" under it. I thought at first it was a singer who put AI in their stage name similar to Weird AI or a fan made vocaloid since vocaloid have characters linked to their voice banks. I thought someone made a vocaloid and put AI in the name because the character was meant to be a robot. Nope! It was a gen made AI "music". Thank goodness someone pointed it out in the comments because I deleted that reblog and blocked the artist.)

People who think sexual abuse can be "consensual" (yes there are people people who think sexual abuse can be "consensual" when that "consent" wasn't even consensual)

People who uses "don't read/play/watch it" to put people down for criticaling media or calling out media which has harm in it. (Even though they can simply block those people instead of commenting that if they can't handle the truth, don't like their favourite media having criticism or straight up have harmful mindset they want to keep. Yes don't play/read/watch term has been used to put people down for criticism or calling out harmful behaviour instead of actual trying to help people LIKE ITS SUPPOSED TOO! You know people who thought they can handle it then they turn out they can't and thats perfectly fine!)

Anya x Jimmy (From mouthwashing) shippers

transids (transabled, transracial, etc)

intersexist

exorsexist

Urbanspook Fans (I don't want people who are a fan of exploitation horror on my account. It's fine if you have your own au that isn't a work of exploitation horror like the original because the series had potential but it ended up being created by someone who is a piece of shit. It's just people who like the media being exploitation horror as it is)

(If you don't know, exploitation horror is a harmful genre in horror, it uses heavily topics just to get a reaction from the audience or there just for shock value. There is nothing wrong with using heavily topics in fiction ofc! But using heavily topics just for shock value can be harmful)

Fatphobic people

Ai artists/supporters

Ai fanfic/author writers

Art stealers

Fanfic stealers

Anti furries people

Anti therian people

Any people who just hate anything that is harmless and isn't harming people in real life

Radqueers (People who are in support of paraphiles, yes it includes the harmful ones like pedophilia and want them in the queer community. If it was about the harmless ones only like people wanting to date a robot or a device. Then sure, it wouldn't be a bad thing. But they are supporting the harmful ones so I don't want those people on my account)

(Okay I found out that term also got fucking stolen and changed by people who want pedophiles, animal abusers and corspe rapists in the queer community. The original term was pretty harmless with queer communities allowing harmless different gender identities in the community. If you are of the original meaning term you are allowed to be on my account. If you are the one who wants Animal abusers, corspe rapists and pedophiles in the queer community. Please block me.)

People who bully beginner artists/Artists with exaggerated art styles

People who find "jokes" of people bullying beginner artists/Artists with exaggerated art styles "funny"

NFT supporters/likers

People who are into stepcest (Step mother x step daughter/son, step father x step daughter/son, etc)

Donald Trump supporters

prolifers

Transphobic people (This includes terfs/Transgender exclusionary radical feminists)

Homophobic people (This includes Lesphobic, Aphobic, Biphobic etc)

Racist people

people who believe in purity culture

Anti ACAB/All cops are bastards

Swerfs/Sex Worker exclusionary radical feminists)

Anti porn people (This is due that anti porn comes from whorephobia aka the name of the bigot nature against sex workers because pornstars are still sex workers and anti porn also comes from purity culture too. Its also demonises human trafficked victims and drug addicts. Its also supports police brutality)

anti sex work people (same reason as anti porn, it comes from whorephobia and purity culture, the demonstration of Human trafficked victims and drug addicts and supporting police brutality)

(How does anti porn and anti sex work demonise drug addicts and human trafficked victims? Simple it's the police, police arrest drug addicts when its been provided time and time again, addictions don't come out of nowhere it comes from some sort of cause like childhood trauma, peer pressure, trauma in general, mental health issues, etc. Sex workers can be drug addicts due that they are human just like everyone else, they can have the same reasons why they got addicted to drugs. The police will arrested human trafficked victims if porn and sex work is illegal because they are still a "sex worker" and not a victim in the eyes of the police and the victim were only trying to escape their abuse only to be thrown in prison or even get the death penalty. So being anti sex work or anti porn supports police harming drug addicts and human trafficked victims also making porn or sex work illegal harms POC/People colour and POC/People of colour sex workers because police will kill or arrest people of colour who aren't sex workers and cover their hate crime with "they were a sex worker/Pornstar so I can Legally kill them". Yes making porn or sex work illegal gives police to kill more innocent people legally meaning it won't count as "murder" or "hate crime" or "Abuse of power" in the eyes of the court.so yes being anti porn/sex work doesn't make you a "Feminist", an "Ally" to queer, victims of human sex trafficking or people of colour, disabled people, transgender people, its makes you a supporter of police's violence against minorities and victims. I swear many anti porn and anti sex work people have forgotten why the whole ACAB/All cops are bastards movement exists.)

N@z¡ supporters/N@z!s

Israel. supporters

Ablest people

Pro Capitalism

Pro patriarchy

Anti abortion people/Pro lives

People who think fictional can't affect reality (I'm more talking fictional that has harmful elements such as demonising minorities, fetishizing heavily topics aka Fetishisation of heavily topics, etc, false information about animals or groups of people) (For example, in fictional media they demonise sharks which had a strong affect on real life. Fishers won't save a shark that been caught because they think they are going to kill them because that what fictional media told them. How racist people demonise cultures in their fictional media to the point, people start to think that's how the culture is like without looking into it. Another example is how media treat female sex workers to their male sex workers counterparts. Female sex workers are mostly seen as human trafficked victims that have no plot to the story, its just "all female sex workers are human trafficked" point. But when it's male sex worker, there is no mention him being human trafficked. It's seen as his job he signed up for. I have no problem with media calls out with serious topics that happen in jobs. But this is a double standard in fictional media about sex workers) (note: There is also problems with fictional media that can harm real people, for example there is a oversexualisation about women especially black women in fiction media. This came from gross white men and has caused affect of women. I think people think fetishizers fetishize real people of colour sex workers when it's not always true. They go after fictional porn too. This is why it's important for websites that allow fiction porn to block tags that rooted in fetishisation of real people, same with websites that allow real porn to save real sex workers to not feel dehumanised and help the less fetishisation of real people. Heck there are countries that block out inappropriate material that used for harm in fictional because predators use it instead of real child sexual abuse material or any real abuse, child predators do use harmless material of kids too sadly. I think people think child predators only go after real sexual abuse material. When they don't, they look at alternatives and fictional child sexual abuse material is one of the alternatives.)

People who think cyber bullying isn't real

People are anti an religious that isn't Christian (example: Anti Jews, Muslims, Pagans, people who believes in Satanism, etc. These are about people who hate religion because they can not about people who hate religion due to religious trauma!)

misogynists

zionists (not the religion, the people who support Isnotreal since that's what they are called.)

Incest likers/supporters

fetishizers (the ones who fetishize race, Sexuality, Disabled ppl, People's trauma, gender, bodytypes, etc aka seeing groups of people as Objects not humans.)

bimisogyny (another term I wasn't aware of that existed until now so its also on my dni list)

Sexist ppl

Fatshamers

Slutshamers

Victim blamers

People who hate on harmless ships (Such as Oc x canon, canon x canon, rarepairs, Self inserts x canon etc.)

Toxic Helluva boss/Hazbin fans who have to make a big fuss over harmless things (like a vaild criticism of episode feeling rushed as a example or even harmless redesigns. (I seen alot HH/HB fans being just bad people over the redesign one when the redesigns were just there for fun or to help with character designs for future ocs they might have or characters if they go onto bigger things 😥) (Also I'm not talking about people who is critical out of pure hate for the creator or show. Since those type of criticise is out of hate then being helpful. Like I seen toxic helluva boss/hazbin hotel fans getting pretty pissed off at people who are critical of the show who are being very respectful with their criticise of the shows. Since the criticise they have is pretty useful for anyone. :3)

👆 This goes with any fandoms ngl

Any toxic fans really in any fandom

Alex Kister apologists/supporters (The creator of TMC, I'm not talking about people who don't know what he has done nor fans of TMC! Im just people who knew what he has done and still support him 👍)

Bigoted people!

ICE supporters (Immigration and Customs Enforcement)

People who make traumatised people's trauma as gender wars (Example: Mostly **from what I seen btw** the male fake allies of male trauma of any type survivors saying 'It's happens to men too' under a female or AFAB person of the same trauma video about their trauma)

People who sent threats of any kind or dox people for no reason because a user was doing something they don't like. (For example something harmless like self shipping, headcanons, etc or something that is questionable like using gen ai, proshipping or etc. I hate gen ai and proshipping but doxxing or sending threats to people who do that is taking it too far. It's better to report and block.)

Anti-Kink people

Fujios (This is under fetishizers who fetishizes groups of people since they fetishize gay people to my knowledge, correct me if im wrong 😭.)

People who forgave yan dev and people who support him

People who support Dream (The dsmp member)

Fascists

People who romanticizes true crime

People who treat real victims of trauma as circus animals and not humans

MERF (Male exclusionary radfem/Radical "Feminist", I looked this up and many sources say its an alternative term for terfs who are Transphobic to trans women, they see trans women as men.)

People who sexualizes/Fetishizes religion (that does includes nuns because the fetishisation of nuns came from cisgender straight men who has/had a rape culture mindset)

People who think cisgender men or straight people or white people can be opesssed (the only times these people can be opessed is they already apart of a minority but again they aren't being opessed. For example a cisgender man might be a person of colour living in a white dominated country he is opessed because of his skin, a white person might disabled they are opessed because they are disabled and straight person might be transgender they are only opessed because of they are transgender. These are only examples.)

Lovelypeaches fans/stans

People who demonised addictions (yes this includes the demonising porn addiction and Character ai/cai addiction since porn addiction and Character ai/cai is still addictions. Addictions are hard to stop being addictions, shaming someone for their addiction isn't helping or portraying someone for their addiction as a "bad person" or calling out a user for their addiction is also a shit thing to do. I don't use c.ai, I think people attacking people over unhealthy addictions is bad thing to do instead of helping them!)

(Also people who have addiction to cai or character ai are mostly minors and people shouldn't be harassing minors.)

Anti recovery people

White supremacy people

Classicism People (I think that's how you spell it, People who judge others based on where they are in the hierarchy)

Wilbur Soot (The YouTuber from Dream (Minecraft YTer's group) Supporters/forgivers

white feminists (White Feminists are basically a "Feminist" version of White supremacy)

People who think "blackwashing" exists (it's a term that was created by a white supremacist)

transmisogyny people (I didn't know this exists until recently)

Georgenotfound supporters/apologist (I'm not talking about people who didn't know, I'm talking about people who do know and still support him)

Those "meme/joke" accounts or people who support those accounts (the ones that joke about heavy topics not for comfort but they don't see those heavy topics as heavy topics, straight up bigoted or hating on people who is having fun and doing something harmless)

People who spread misinformation about important things and heavily topics on purpose

culture appropriation people (under the racist dni)

People who have crushes on REAL LIFE abusers/rapists/serial killers/etc

People who use character ai/cai to talk to AI bots of real people (I'm not talking about live action characters more so on real life abusers/actors/singers/rapists/serial killers/etc. I don't use c.ai but i still find it weird)

People who write/read fanfics of real people (Again not talking about live action characters since it doesn't count due it is a character. This is more about celebrities, actors, etc since it's done without their consent most of the timr. Even people do this with real life serial killers/abusers/rapists/etc)

People who "joke" about fucking animals/fishes (it's fucking weird, I don't know what's so funny about sexual animal abuse)

I should really explain some things of my DNI list.

What's Terf?

A terf is short for Trans-exclusionary radical "feminism"/Trans gender exclusionary "Radfems"It's pretty self explanatory, they are "Feminists" who are Transphobic.

What's a Swerf?

A swerf is short for sex workers exclusionary radical "Feminism"/Sex Worker exclusionary "Radfems".

Swerfs are the sister of terfs in a way.

Yes the sex work industry and its sub industries have serious problems and exploitive however the sex work industry and its sub industries aren't the only industries with serious problems and exploitative, all industries in this world have serious problems and exploitative due to all industries are under Capitalism and Patriarchy's control.

Swerfs also have this black and white view of sex workers and clients, Swerfs think all sex workers are straight cisgender women and all clients are straight cisgender men when in reality sex workers can be any gender and Sexuality same with the clients.

Swerfs also think sex work is the reason for women objection (when it's Patriarchy's fault) and sex work is only for "Male gaze" (Which doesn't make sense as male clients aren't the only clients due there are clients that are all genders)

The time i know about the male gaze fits into sex work more on the heterosexual men side since well that's literally what male gaze applies too, gross Heterosexual men (I'm talking about misogynistic straight cisgender men who objectify women btw)

However Swerfs only use it to fit in "Every sex worker is a woman and every client is a man." View they have while completely forgetting about lesbian SWers, gay SWers, Bi Swers and other Sexuality outside of straight SWers and clients. Queer clients and Swers exist.

Swerfs also blame sex workers for the gross crimes of men and inappropriate behaviour against women (Again Patriarchy's fault) **FROM WHAT I SEEN**

They also blame sex workers for holding up the patriarchy and blame them for fetishisation of groups of people who get fetishized instead of the fetishizers and Patriarchy.

They also paint SW as all types of literal sexual crimes. When SW and those sexual crime CRIMES ARE VERY DIFFERENT.

(SW is legal and the crime they normally paint Sex work as takes place in countries where SW is illegal.)

Swerfs treat sex workers as not human as all, which is really dehumanising. For example when a gross man is being weird over a woman's body and people call it out they go "wow you met a real woman" since they associated this kind of behaviour with porn or they go "Wow, you met a woman outside of porn" which gives the vibe if a woman becomes a pornstar (a type of sex worker) she isn't a human anymore which is really dehumanising. It's like how terfs and transphobes hate trans women because they aren't "real women".

Also they are very hypocritical, For example many swerfs see SW as danger to women and queer/genderqueer/trans/intersex/non binary people that aren't SWers (because they think Queer SWers, Female swers, intersex swers, trans swers and genderqueer swers are responsible for the quee/trans/intersex/Non binary fetishisation and gross men seeing women as objects. They only care about non female, genderqueer, trans, intersex, non binary SWers and non queer SWers not the Swers themselves even though that's what they are claim to be "saving") and fictional adult content is fine, only for them to a 180° and start attack fictional adult content and also calling it harmful to women and queer people (Also doing the same thing they do to SWers. They blame all SWers for the actions of gross men and not the gross men for their own actions or in some cases blame all SWers for a one bad SWer actions. For example if a SWer is doing kinks that are for traumatised people for the male gaze and people found out about this, swerfs blame all SWers for that SWer action.) But in this case, blame every person who does adult content instead of the gross people (aka the queer fetishers and gross men who see women as objects or the people who made that content for the male gaze/they are queer fetisher themselves). (Don't get me wrong there is problems with fictional adult content of all kinds, it's good and important to call it out. However what I explained with the swerfs, there aren't doing that. It's about villainizing and controlling thanks to purity culture.)

Also swerfs with anti fictional adult content movement they now hooked on, they also have the same black and white mindset like they do with SW but In this case be the only people who draw/write adult content are men. (I guess queergender/intersex/trans/no binary people, women and queer people who draw/write adult content is non existence recording to swerfs)

Don't get me wrong there is times where nsfw art has crossed the line like fetishisation of trans people and intersex people or other groups of people (ex: the porn trope of "Futa/Futanari" or "big black cock" porn trope), involving harmful things (rape/incest/etc), sexualizing children/minors (both fictional with them using children/minors characters models and clearly can tell they aren't aged up since they look like kids/minors still with their clothing and hair style they wear in canon. the only thing they slap on boobs or adult body on them and call it day. And real minors like Jellybean at that time), sexualizing real people (like Jellybean or a Jadenanimations even though they both said they are uncomfortable with it) or sexualizing characters from indie projects without the creator's consent (because the creator is a minor or is uncomfortable with that kind of content).

So bit of context: If you don't know, people make porn of Jadenanimations sona even though she is aroace and is uncomfortable with adult content/sexual jokes and her sona is based on her irl. Since she is a queer woman, there are some nsfw artists who do not give a dang about basic consent. With Jellybean, people was making porn of their sona even when they were a minor, they aren't comfortable with that type of content too.

But they go onto adult women fiction characters and go "this is harming real women!" And completely ignored actually harmful things that exist in nsfw content.

I do understand the worry about minors getting into sex work while underage however it isn't sex work's fault for this, it's the lack of education because there are some important things that is missing like if they went homeless while underage its literally child endangerment but schools wont talk about it. but many schools don't teach that. Heck even in sex education, some schools don't teach kids consent or signs of sexual assault/sexual abuse or safe sex, some schools just stick to sex = babies and pregnancy over and over again. (From my experience at least in school at least). How to fix this? Tell people how important education is! Instead of blaming sex work.

Of course, the sex work and porn industry deserves to get its serious problems spread awareness. People forget that these industries are complex due to how easy it gotten to do porn or sex work same with other industries like Video games, Animation, Music industries (industries with same problems due to corruption of jobs as a whole). Like Porn and sex work don't need a boss to get the job unlike before pornstars can pick up a camera to do porn with other sex workers who is the same as them (aka they are being self employed or having friends who are sex workers or a partner who is okay with this type of sex work). Making Sex work or porn illegal doesn't help these problems. It causes more problems. Heck, Police doesn't give a shit about human trafficked victims in all types of jobs industries. They still think they are breaking the law and call them "illegal workers" then arrest them or sue them and letting their abusers off the hook to continue their harm. Swerfs only bring these problems just to make those jobs illegal which again doesn't help.

Making sex work or porn illegal gives police the right to LEGALLY kill sex workers (that includes sex human traffic victims, Poc/disabled/queer/Intersex/queergender/transgender/Non binary people, people in other minorities and women who aren't sex workers), that's right the law can give police to kill sex workers legally. It won't be seen as an abuse of power or murder or police violence againist the innocent in the eyes of the law. These people have families and friends since they are still human, if a police officer kills them then their families and friends cannot do anything about it. Because the police officer will tell the court "They were a sex worker, by rights of the law. I was allowed to kill them." No matter what if they killed a sex worker or not. They will use it as an excuse. Why on earth are they giving more power to the corruption of police force?

Yes, Sex work is a job people have to do out of necessarity but again all jobs are out necessarily because of capitalism. People need shelter, warmth food and water. It's our basic needs to living. It's always have been. Capitalism put shelter, food, water, warmth behind a pay wall. People have to get jobs to survive, they don't want to be kicked out from their homes or staved to death. So people have to get jobs to pay rent, to pay water bills and put food on their plates.

Not everyone is a rich person or living with good amount of money to live comfortably.

There are people who have to work two jobs or more to survive or look after their family and they aren't sex workers yet people do not bat a eye or talk about it. It is because those jobs are more accepted by society while sex work of all kinds is not. Because of purity culture.

There are some jobs that won't allow queer people to be in the jobs or people of colour to get a job.

For example, In Australia, Bisexual people can't get a job because of their Sexuality. Queer people can lie and they are straight to get a job but there is a lurking fear that they will be exposed for their Sexuality which means they will lose their job.

Some queer people don't want to risk that. So since some types of sex work doesn't have that criteria since on how easily it can be done. Queer people might do porn to get their money to survive.

Do not blame sex workers or any workers. Blame capitalism, blame the rich people who don't care about working class or poor people. Blame the government for their greedy ways..

What are anti-kink people?

Anti kink people are people who don't understand kinks at all but only know the serious harmful stereotypes of kinks. They don't want to learn about kinks, they want kinks to be illegal due to the harmful stereotypes against kinks they know of since these harmful stereotypes have filled up their brain so they assumed all kinks are like their harmful stereotypes counterparts

Also they confused kinks with Fetishisation.

(Note: Fetishisation isn't about fetishes, Fetishisation is about people seeing groups of people such as survivors of literally crimes, POC, disabled people, women etc as objects not as humans.)

When both aren't the same thing. Don't get me wrong there are people who misuse kinks for their own pleasure or for the "male gaze" or fetishisation of real types of people (especially kinks that are mostly used by traumatised people as a coping mechanism, that kink was formed from their trauma or take back control they lost in their trauma because people who aren't traumatised by the topics that the kinks are based on because they find those topics "hot" and it's closer thing they are going to get to their gross fantasies) also there is kinks that arent here to help traumatised people but to fetishisation people/fantasies about harmful stuff/justify gross mindsets (by non traumatised people/gross people btw) and we should call out these gross people but anti kink people can't tell the difference between kinks being used right, kinks being used bad or the "kinks" that are rooted in harmful nature

They think all kinks = bad/harmful without talking with traumatised people who have kinks, people with kinks or doing any research on the kinks themselves.

The same way Swerfs want SW to be illegal and Terfs want transgender to be illegal too.

Due to

Swerfs treat sex workers as subhumans and the cause of everything bad

Terfs treat Trans people (Mostly trans women) as sub humans

Anti kink people treat kinks as an abomination sub group to sex and the cause of every thing bad.

Because of the Transphobic ideas, SWphobic (idk if I can say the actual word on here) ideas and anti kinks ideas against those people (Sex workers and Transgender people) and that group (kinks)

Also making kinks, sex work, porn illegal is apart of Prison–industrial complex, if you don't know, to be it short it's a racist system in prison system aka putting POC sex workers and queer POC in danger (Since kinks are a big part in Lgbtq community). This system is already in prison system and is actively causing harm to POC (People of colour)

[sapphire-weapon]

I want to ask this bc youve been in the fandom for longer and I'd like your analysis of this as a social phenomenon.

So the tweet that was deleted was a mutual saying Ada is an anti-hero and she is important to the narrative but she is not part of the main cast. He was attacked by so many ppl he deactivated.

Most of the responses were "Keep Ada out of your mouth, talk abt your fav". What is this lmao. When did expressing your opinion on a character from a videogame become such a big deal.

Is this new in the fandom? Bc God knows I scroll past dumb takes all the time bc like you keep saying, nothing we say here truly matters and defending your fav character to death or bragging abt how many likes your edits have on TW or TT aint gonna make a difference. Capcom aint really looking.

They're so quick to jump to defend pixels. Is it projection? They think they're the character or sth so it feels like theyre being attacked? It truly baffles my mind bc it got super ugly.

This is a new thing...ish. There was always "Ada's a bitch who manipulated Leon" discourse, but Ada fans always historically celebrated her anti-hero status. It was one of the main things they liked about her character.

This strikes me as the younger generation not knowing what an anti-hero is. Because it's not being taught in schools anymore. They don't realize that an anti-hero still performs heroic acts and is generally looked at as a protagonist. They looked at it and probably read it as "the opposite of a hero." And that's not their fault. But as a Vegas folk, if I were to bet on this, that's what I'd put my money on having happened.

Also bragging about engagement on your fan edit isn't a new phenomenon, but this generation takes it far more seriously than mine did. My generation looked at numbers purely as clout within the fandom or a mark of quality of their work. This generation thinks their numbers mean that Mr. Capcom himself is going to see it and make their headcanons canon. It's insanity to me.

But in terms of an overall jumping to defend pixels? Oh yeah that was always a thing. The Ada vs Claire arguments got so viciously misogynistic in a way that outperformed fetish anon, even. But it wasn't constant, because social media didn't exist. These arguments happened between 2-4 people at a time in multi-paragraph essays on livejournal and various forums -- not single-sentence dogpiles of constant bombardment against one fucking person.

Social media has made fandom demonstrably worse in every way. It has done nothing to improve or build on fandom. It has only eroded the experience and made it shittier.