So to sum up everyone’s ages:
Hunter - mentally 16 and chronologically 8 due to his artificial grimwalker origins(and we still don’t know how they age, but let’s assume that like normal witch, maybe a bit more).
Vee - mentally 15 and chronologically around 20-25 due to being a basilisk with a longer life span(that I hc and I feel like it makes the most sense in canon with the time period Belos made them).
King - mentally 9 and due to being a semi-immortal titan his chronological age will have extra 5 years, since he grew from a baby to toddler size in eight years and got just a bit taller and lankier in 4 years, so some time had to pass between him being an infant and a baby.
Collector - despite living chronoligically for thousands and thousands years, they are mentally 8 due to being an immortal being with an enormously long aging process.
Luz - a 14 years old human girl xD
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The Collector: unlike anything we've seen before
So I saw a video essay that was pretty much about how 'Shadow Collector' was different from current Collector. I also once saw a Reddit comment complaining how they didn't like how childish Collector was, and wished they were as menacing as they were in their shadow form.
I, for one, disagree with that statement. I know we all loved Bill Cipher as a villain ever since we've seen Gravity Falls. Then Amphibia replicated this villain archetype with Darcy/The Core. When Shadow Collector was first introduced, we all assumed this was another 'Bill Cipher-esque' villain.
But honestly? When I first saw the Collector I didn't love them as I love them now. I thought this was another Bill Cipher clone, thus I didn't think they were as unique or interesting. I was honestly getting tired of the archetype being repeated across these 3 Disney shows.
But as soon as I saw the Collector in their physical form I fell in love. They were unlike any 'overpowered' character I've seen before, and loved the idea of a playful child having the might and power of the gods.
While I absolutely love the Bill Cipher type of villain, I wouldn't have loved the Collector as much as I do if they were another Bill Cipher villain. Collector wasn't even meant to be a villain, just an antagonist meant to stop the protagonists from achieving their goals.
Thus, I feel the change made to their character was not only a good change, but a necessary one. It wouldn't make sense for a non-villain character to have the personality of one, yet they still pose an imminent threat to the characters.
Think about it, would Collector really be as memorable if they were another 'snarky, comedic yet powerful villain' in a sea of other villains that are already like that? No. And I'm happy the change to the Collector's character was made, and we got our little Enzo Gabriel goober guy
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hi so i know i've told my more consistent partners this, but the ages of my muses are flexible. one of the reasons i love to write is because i love to do character development, and aging up characters gives me an opportunity to write them at a different stage of their life, and give them a different development and story arc. this is always an option, please never be afraid to ask for that if a muse is too old/young for what you have in mind.
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One-Of-A-Kind Music Player, Circa 1975,
Pierre Tanter design, Realization by Atelier Cheminées,
Mother of pearl lacquer,
H. 140 x 170 x 120 cm.
Courtesy: Galerie Yves Gastou
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I still think that taking collectors power is the ideal way to redeem them, not even all of it, just so they are equal to an average witch.
I baby sat horribly rich children with similar abandonment issues, and they don't start feeling sympathy unless the parent agrees to take away their power for a while. Forcing one to be an equal gives them a unique perspective they otherwise would of never agreed on even existing
I really don't like it. Losing his magic will rip away Collector's personal unique upbringning. I can understand if he locked part of his powers away by himself and can return them all whenever he wants it. But just permanently lose them rubs me the wrong way.
People are not born with money. But magic is like another limb.
And in TOH magic is not just cool super power, it's a way to self express yourself. Luz found a way to be a witch using different kind of magic. The main villian was restricting magic and depriving witches from their freedom.
And losing magic is... not good. It is a metaphor for disability. Hunter being without a bile sac is a 'half a witch' and we saw on Eda's example how people like that are treated. Willow just for being a late bloomer was bullied and name called. This is not a good behaviour of course. But this shows how magic is ingrained in their society. You can't just be without magic with your life staying the same. Especially in a dangerous place like Demon Realm.
Stripping Collector of their magic to level them with witches is... unfair. Because he is too powerful? He did not cheat his way in, he was born a different being. Just like King. Should King lose most of his powers too? Collector is a collector, King is a titan, Luz is a human, they all are different and deserve to stay who they are.
And giving Collector new perspective...
This is just a straight up punishement. Why must Collector be punished for being different? Again, for me this feels like Luz s1. Who was punished for being harmful to others by sending her to camp with a goal to strip away her energised creativity(basically force her to stop being ND). Yes she needed a new perspective to learn better, but she did not lose anything on the path to it, only gained new knowledge and tools how to use her energised creativity in a healthy way.
Collector is an OP child and his magic can prevent him from learning, yes. But I think Collector already proved that he wants to learn, he doesn't need to lose anything because he knows how to respect boundaries, he doesn't lack the knowledge that will be in the way of his improving. He needs experience and supportive people in his life. That will give him the right knowledge and unconditional love.
I know this a bit idealized, but this is TOH. Having an ND child that harms people because they don't know how not to, and instead of hurting them to 'make' them understand, they will get support and help and love. If not a cartoon with right morals and lessons, where else we will get it?
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