#viv make it canon

[acehorrorwhore]

I think if Vox blushed his screen would just turn red.

Like this

[vampistol]

You just know theyre performing each others surgeries lol

EDIT: i made these before the canon designs were dropped rip lol

Icons for u and ur trans and communist friends

Og lol

[showsandstuff]

U still gonna defend Charlastor now that Alastor is confirmed aro? 💀

MY FIRST ASK OMG!! I only activated the option for shits and giggles, never thought anyone would actually bother to ask me something! Yay and Thank you! 🥹

but now to answer your questions: yas, I will!

[cloudysarts]

it drives me insane that every issue in this show could be solved by the protags just FUCKING COMMUNICATING!!!!!!!! TALK TO EACH OTHER LIKE ADULTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

~i dont support vivziepop or her shows + this art/redesign is from my rewrite~

unblurred version under the cut

pssst if youre reading this you should check out my hh/hb critical/general reblog blog over at @fizzbot ‼

[fanofstuff01]

Hiya!!! I had this dumb idea where Melody WASN'T supposed to be Charlie's music teacher lol: basically in the royal palace the servitude has different amulets for those who's soul belong to lilith or lucifer.

Melody was dropping by to visit Adam at the palace and found lucifer'a medallion nearby a bush ( and ashes cause that demon dared smacking Adam's behind to " flirt " and Lucifer oblitered him from existence ) so she goes " uuuuuuh, shiny~" and puts it on; immediately the jewel locks on her neck and Lucifer is alerted he has a new soul bound to him so he goes check it out and finds this whimsical imp lady petting the carnivore plants of the garden.

Lucifer ".....you know you have to work for me now right?"

Melody ".....Can i work with Adam? He is super duper nice!"

Lucifer * relaxes cause gets the hint she is not interested in him that way* " what do you do?"

Melody " i sing and play instruments!"

Lucifer " you are hired "

Melody * autism creature sound * " YIPPIEEEE!!"

Lmao that’s ironically funny.

Amulet idea is also cool! @things-arent-what-they-seem66 what do you think? (Adam definitely doesn’t have a semi heart-shaped pendant one that symbolizes his soul is on Lucifer lol)

Maybe not immediately bonds her soul to Lucifer but Lucifer is alerted that the worker he blew out has returned and then he sees Melody.

So he offers her a job here since she always pops up to see Adam anyway.

[onikiribattousai]

My version of Roo AKA Root Of Evil and some headcanon of her:

Roo is based on Angra Mainyu/Ahriman from Zoroastrian Mythology

For those who doesn't know who is Angra Mainyu:

The most common theory of Roo was her being Eve, I headcanon her that the reason why Roo looks like Eve because she needs a body and since Eve is the first human who committed sin, Roo took over her body ( Don't ask me why, I thought it would be a cool concept that she possessed Eve, besides it kinda like how Kenjaku took over Geto's body in Jujutsu Kaisen, also demonic possession would be a neat if it exist ij Helluverse).

Roo can manipulate and possessed anyone, doesn't matter if it was a demon, angel or sinners . Perhpas the reason why Lilith left Lucifer and Charlie, because she can manipulate her and how dangerous she can be if she ever knew Charlie's existence.

Roo needs more power because she is not really strong on her own. That's why she uses Alastor as her pawn/toy and her treatment to him is probably far more worse than Valentino's treatment to Angel Dust or Mammon to Fizz (I can imagine Roo is greedier than Mammon himself, since she is the root of evil), this can also mean why Alastor disappears for 7 years and how he desperately wanted to be free (one of the harsh treatment to him was stitching his mouth to make sure he smiled all the time, poor Al)

I also headcanon that Roo's personality is extremely sadist, manipulative and can be a bit of possessive to her subject. But she can get bored if her "toys" are useless and would tossed them away in a horrible way (When it comes making an antagonist, I always make them as sadistic, manipulative, psycho, backstabbing, and a bit abusive kind of villain, haha😅)

Like Vox, Roo can spy others with her eyes and since her eyes are all over Hell, she can watches anyone (and possibly picking her new "toy"). Just imagine how fucked up it will be if those eyes were all of her disposed "toys" that died during extermination

Roo's chains can come into any color, her main chain was the same chain as Alastor.

I also did headcanon Roo can changed her appearance to persuade her victim to made contract with her, I imagined that Roo can also make herself look like Lilith and since there is another theory that Alastor making contract with Lilith, Roo probably shapeshift into her and based on my previous headcanon, this is the reason why Lilith left, so Roo can't manipulate her and her family (other than she still thinks that Roo is Eve)

Completely aware that she can't be destroyed since good can't exist without evil

(I was listening to Juby's version of Outer Science and thinking that this song kinda suits her)

[allastoredeer]

You might not have seen this but I need to vent to SOMEONE:

How are people falling for those fake vivziepop screenshots 😭😭 and those joke tweets like saying she called Alastor and Lucifer's relationship next season "old man yaoi"... Guys they're not real please 😭

The reading comprehension on this site etc etc 😭

Wait, there's new vivziepop drama people are trying to start??? Hhhhh the reading comprehension on most sites, honestly. Thank god I enjoyed my literature classes in school and actually paid attention.

Remember kids, literature classes are, in fact, important. Reading comprehension is, in fact, a very good skill to have. If you're not attention in geography or math, then at least pay attention in english class.

As for the "old man yaoi" thing I just siiiiiigh

You know, every non-canon relationship I ship, I don't actually expect it to become canon. In fact, a piece of advice I'd give to anyone new entering fandom is to never expect your favorite ship to become canon if its not already canon, even if its one that could become a relationship, like Huskerdust. You can want it to be canon, but don't assume it's actually going to happen.

I have no expectations for RadioApple ever becoming canon in Hazbin Hotel. Despite being on the Radiostatic train that Vox definitely had a crush/was in love with Alastor, I'm not going to go into season 2 already expecting that to be true, even if I want it to be with every inch of my being.

IDK I think people who believe their ships will be canon before it's ever confirmed or even happens in canon are delulu, even more so when they get mad in the case that it doesn't happen. Like, I'm sorry bro, but you set yourself up for disappointment. Don't expect the creators to follow the plot-lines your creating in your head. Don't expect them to like and cater to the ships you like. That's crazy behavior.

[gctchell]

I love how most Lucilith art sends Lucifer right to boob jail.

[dumbnotstupidfuck]

ok fine I’ll bite, why is vax so popular

[jinxed-sinner]

begging other aroacespec Alastor fans to stop acting like the aroacespec community is a monolith

Before I go any further this is a vent so please keep that in mind. Additionally this isn't targeted at anyone specific, I've been meaning to make my stance on this clear since I first got into Hazbin but anxiety's been kicking my ass. So fuck anxiety, I'm getting tired of implicitly being treated like I'm not aroacespec just because I ship Radioapple.

I've mentioned To Preen An Angel's Wings here a few times, but I am very much respecting Alastor's aroace identity while still making it a Radioapple fic because I'm using it as a way to explore my own identity as demiaroace. Hell, I even make it clear that I acknowledge that Alastor is aroace (I literally have Lucifer saying “I know [Alastor]’s not into romance or sex" in the first chapter, within the first 800 words even). Demiaroace is still aroacespec. Asexuality and aromanticism aren't a one-size-fits-all experience.

I still crave a romantic relationship, but due to a combination of social anxiety, being demiaroace, and just anxiety in general, I don't have that yet. My anxiety prevents me from getting to know anyone so I can form the connection required for me to feel attraction. Additionally I have a habit of purposely ignoring red flags in my friendships, which also makes me nervous about being in a romantic relationship. Me craving a romantic relationship doesn't suddenly make me not aroacespec. I'm still aroacespec. Hell, I'm even sex repulsed and think sex is gross but have a high sex drive. How does that happen? Your guess is as good as mine.

I genuinely don't know what it is about the Hazbin Hotel fandom, but I've never been in a fandom that gets this bad about respecting characters' canon sexual/romantic orientations to the point of harassing people over it or feeling the need to comment on everything that can potentially be read as ship, and I've been in both the Sonic and the Undertale fandoms. It's so fucking bad that I've genuinely questioned if some Hazbin fans have ever participated in fandom spaces before.

I'm not saying other aroace people can't project onto Alastor and I'm not saying people have to ship him with anyone; I am however saying that going after people who project onto him differently or going after people who do ship him is not fucking okay.

Act like a fucking adult. If you see something you don't like, just block it like an adult. Stop reminding people every time you see someone say "ship" and "Alastor" in the same post that Alastor's aroace. It's fucking exhausting to me, as someone who is aroacespec, to see other aroacespec people constantly remind others that Alastor's aroace. Nobody's forcing you to do anything, Vivziepop liking Radioapple doesn't mean it'll become canon or that she retconned Alastor being aroace, and fanfiction and fanart aren't canon. Additionally, people shipping something doesn't mean they want it to be canon. I ship Radioapple purely in fanfiction and fanart, I don't want it to be canon.

Grow up, be mature, stop reminding people Alastor's aroace every time a post can vaguely be read as shipping Alastor, for fuck's sake. If it bothers you that bad just block the person who posted it like a mature fucking adult. I will not be budging on this and if you try to start an argument with me about this I won't hesitate to block you because I'm sick of this

[out-of-heaven-and-hell]

To this day I have NOT warmed up to the canon Beelzebub design at all, so my is mainly canon divergent in just that she looks different

But the most important thing is she's chubby with the fattest ass you can imagine

[xmenwickedgame]

//wait so…if doppelganger!Vivian is dating/hooking up with Laura, and Laura is technically James’ adoptive sister, does that not mean there’s a possibility Vivian could be James D’s future sister-in-law? 👀

[yuusaris]

My Spindle/horse feelings are complicated for reals, but Loser, Baby is gunna be in my head for the next five years, right next to Fuck You, which i wish had a better title, if I wasn't sold on Husk before I am now

[moth-in-the-moon]

Howdy I was that first ask (sorry I'd rather stay anon, bad xmen fandom experiences taught me to keep my opinions to myself or people will go after you personally). I'm only answering now cuz it doesn't look like we got the same timezones : I found your blog after looking up Margali related stuff (I needed this) and saw the reblog with the tag about "messy timeline". I like putting together timeline charts for my favs so I pulled out my Nightcrawler related one (slightly messy from following Si Spurrier's runs) and decided to give a shot to X-Men Blue. Big mistake. I should have listened to you. My 10 years in the making timeline chart is now only good for the dumpster and I'm done with Si.

I sent my ask to you because everyone is very hush hush about these kinds of complains and I just wanted you to know you weren't alone.

Okay so, I don't hate the Golden Child on her own, it's... How she came to be was unnecessary weird (genetically Kurt is as much her grandpa as he is her dad, wtf). What a weird road to go down instead of having her be like Cardinal. You know the chimera engineered from Nightcrawler's DNA +2 mutants that's straight up Azazel with red hair and eyes ? From PoX ? (Not sure if the editors remember him at all)

Funny stuff about Azazel btw, the demon thing was a retcon on his mutant status done after Austen left (he's back to being a mutant since 2019), Azazel keeps close contact with other Winding Way witches than Margali and Nightcrawler's ectrodactyly might have come from him too because he has been shown in a few comics (when doing his behind the scenes scheming with no one else around) to have that at least for his hands and uses his shapeshifting to hide it... For reasons.

I personally never cared about the Baron because he was a nothing character ? Man didn't even have a first name or canon appearance until TAS and his lastname's a plothole. This gets to the point where having him and Azazel turn out to be the same person, like a secret identity to the latter dude, would actually be an improvement and funny idea.

You're right, that "beloved darling child" is a straight up joke when looking at Mystique and Destiny's actions : They adopted and raised Rogue in 616 since she was a CHILD, raised both her and Kurt together in the "Children in the attic" what-if (Scott Lobdell but Mystique didnt throw Nightcrawler into a waterfall to save herself. Still calls Rogue the child she "always wanted" even then) and straight up let Nightcrawler die saving Hope when they were ready to sacrifice her as a baby to save Rogue (Kurt's death was avoidable and Mystique didn't know he'd be back to life like ever).

Mystique also raised Nightcrawler from birth in Age of Apocalypse where everything is Hell and he gets killed (Apocalypse attacks long after he was born so it's the same chain of events until that) and kept close contact and looked after Destiny's many human children, mutant grandchildren and grand-grandchildren throughout the years in 616... To the point of killing Graydon Creed, her biological son which she kept close watch on until his teens, to protect them. Kurt turns out to have been neglected more by her than Graydon at this point following this one shot.

The change made here on the "definite origin story" complicates and contradict stuff for no reason. It also adds another layer of unanswered questions which goes against the point of a definite story

"Why would Mystique and Destiny plan on having this kid, finally have him then straight up abandon him because of a 'sudden vision' when one of them is a precog who checks the future 24/7 to be sure everything goes perfectly fine but apparently kept things going when she saw 0 futures with that baby in it post due-date and never even once wrote about said baby in her future diaries for Mystique to do stuff for him in the future when she was gone (contrary to Rogue the child they adopted) ?" Si Spurrier doesn't care to think about important elements like that and just keeping throwing stuff on a wall to see what sticks

"Why didn't they rescue Nightcrawler before Xavier at any point and recruit him/secretly raise him with Rogue ?" Nightcrawler's first appearance was him literally running away from a mob (canonically not his first) before being saved by Xavier, one of the 3 people Mystique and Destiny were going to assassinate in their first appearance (Days of Future Past) which directly led to Nightcrawler being one of the first (avoidable) mutant casualties of that timeline. So even without years of baggage, these two didn't care about Kurt within their first X-Men issue with him. But sure the answer to this is probably the future vision excuse again I bet...

Well tell that to Margali Szardos, the circus fortune teller who managed to properly raise Kurt and protect him with half the power, wealth, means, knowledge and people. Oh wait we can't cuz she ded (Weird coincidence that the same writer behind this story which tries to make Mystique and Destiny look like the best moms for Nightcrawler turned Kurt's actual good mom into the complete opposite of who she was then unceremoniously killed her...)

Mystique has also spent her time using her knowledge of his origins as way to get him to do stuff for her then lied about them over and over again (this story makes it the third time she lied). Something she never hesitated or regretted doing

Then you have... Krakoa. So much to say. Most recent example ? Mystique and Destiny abandoned Kurt (for the 2nd time now) in the Sins of Sinister timeline when they left the island before he got switched with his sinister clone and Margali did her full corruption thing. They straight up ignored him when he grew horns in present time from beginning to end. He gets mind-controlled, murders people and has to leave to an Orchis filled Earth without keeping in touch with anyone, no reaction whatsoever from them

This reveal just turned Mystique and Destiny from bad to god awful parents in general (it looks like they never cared because they never raised him themselves) and yet the story pretends otherwise

One, before I get into anything, BIIIG ask. I've never had an ask that big. Two, Before I get into anything, Cardinal my beloved, my son, my beautiful beautiful boy, he and god baby should both be canon and like. weird universeally/timeline displaces siblings. A thing about Cardinal that I personally think is an interesting concept is how, being part Rachel (so a descendant of Jean) would make him probably be on the Phoenixes list of favourite hosts, which I think could be interesting with his anti-violence genes (<- whatever the fuck that was). Also they should remember him, since they made Rasputin 4 canon (I have my complaints about her genetic make up too, considering shes part. illyana and piotr.) Again, long thoughts under the read more

Yeah, again I completely agree on the neglect paart. The reveal managed to make Destiny and Mystique even more horrible parents, but it's trying to paint them as loving their son, which, is kinda nonsensical with past context. As I said, this retcon at this point in time is bad for the characters BECAUSE of the years of plot from the past. From mystique caring for other children to how they both act towards Kurt throughout things like Krakoa, it doesnt really add up. Plus, what would be the reason for them to not tell him sooner? Did destiny specifically see Kurt get a sick ass magic sword and go "this is incredibly important to the timeline" and thats why they stayed quiet? Having them make destiny and raven be heartbroken about the baby having to go and having the description literally be like "neither of us ever had any kids because of love until we decited to have you" It's a whiplash that could technically work if built up right, but this wasn't built up. Because I do think this could've worked with better set up, but its too late for that.

And yeah no, there have been what-ifs of mystique "successfully" raising Kurt, so it just makes the vision a weirdly cruel plotpoint. Plus that means Destiny is now canonically at fault for all that happened to Kurt, because she knew and actively set it in motion through this retcon. Which. is a wild thing to accidentally do.

Though I do like the moment where Mystique is like "I wished for a daughter", that feels fitting to her and kurts relationship.

Also this does make Kurt doing his "make 'em talk by letting them freefall under the threat of letting them splat" to Destiny funnier. You go boy, threaten matricide!

And man, yeah, Margali wasn't a perfect mom, but we have many scenes of her being a good mom or at least trying to be (specifically for kurt). Shout out to her calling Kurt her specialest boy that one time, she loved her baby. We need a Margali comic about her and her powers honestly, she's canonically one of the strongest sorcerers ever, bound by the moody nature of a living dimension, it would be so interesting to see how the way actually effects her and if she's like, bound to certain actions by the way, lest it destroys her or something. She is the sorcerer supreme of it iirc so there is a very specific connection here, especially since the wandering way is alive. With Kurt having the magic sword now too, it would be interesting for margali to come back (cause lets be real, she isnt gonna stay dead (<- threat. by me. at the comics.) and maybe teach him magic or how to work with magic. Let them actually work out the cracks in their relationship, show that they both do love eachother, but time and everything that has come up just kept tearing at them and margalis laissez-faire nature and following of the winding way didnt really help.

also man, krakoa was a good fun idea, i hate that they killed her, you couldve done alot of good with krakoa, the writers were just on their "uuuuh. shit we cant have mutants be happy" path again

[hotelbitches-a]

btw if i add val i will never write anything non-con idc what the addict video gave us

[notherpuppet]

hazbin race talk (kinda uncomfy but said w/ love!)

When it comes to human iterations of the hazbin characters, my decision making when it comes to race is usually dependent on canon/semi-canon info and voice actors.

Many of the demons in the show can have pretty "race-blind" casting because their characters don't necessarily have racial ties to their background. There are some characters who do have clear ties to an ethnicity and/or viv has overtly stated so, such as Vaggie (Latina), Angel Dust (Italian), and Alastor (Creole). Some of these may no longer even be canon since the show started. As for their race, their skin tone is still pretty open interpretation for artists because canon reference just does not exist (yet? maybe ever?).

As for other characters, such as Husk, Niffty, Charlie, Sir Pentious, etc. I feel that those characters have a pretty ambiguous background, open to interpretation by artists who are depicting their human forms. I depict Husk as Black because I watch the American version where his voice actor is Black. I depict Niffty as Japanese (when I do draw her human form) because Niffty's voice actress is Japanese. The Hazbin pilot did not have the same voice actors as the ones for the show, and internationally, that's not the case either. And the voice actors are usually just one direction I might take, I don't hold myself to that option as a rule.

Like, idek if I would depict Sir Pentious as White because his voice actor is a White American, I may consider his British background and honestly the fact that he is dark demon into play. I think that's where "casting" the human forms can be very open to interpretation for certain characters.

I think something that is really cool about the show is that there are opportunities to cast a character as whomever. (I think of Little Mermaid 2023). There are times where a character's race is integral to their background, and other times where it is not so explicit. When it is not explicit, I think it's okay for an artist to interpret a different design. I don't think it should be assumed that it is erasure or tokenism (though I do empathize with that reaction as someone who craves certain representation).

I personally love seeing a diverse cast, so I like incorporating that in my design choices! But I don't think someone is 'wrong' for having a different interpretation of a character. It's okay to not like a direction someone may take, but I don't think that means they're wrong and if you don't like it, idk, you can always just close your eyes or scroll lol.

My two cents.

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