sometimes i’m sooooo blown away by the fact that kevin is so smart……. like yes he is the fox with the highest grades despite being also the fox with the tightest training schedule and yes he canonically gets called an obsessive genius and yes the extra content explicitly says he is both very smart and very willing to teach people. but really i am thinking about kevin playing reporters like fiddles, jean calling kevin too good of a liar to ever let anything slip, kevin going up to andrew post-game and wordlessly helping cover up the fact andrew is off his medicine by pretending andrew’s racquet had broken (and then proceeding to discreetly crush it in his hand when the foxes gather around andrew), kevin living a lifetime of walking on the edge of riko’s knife, kevin hiding french, hiding thea, kevin spotting potential from a mile away, kevin who even riko thought was brilliant and sharp-tongued. yeah……..!
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do you have an analysis on Alhaitham and Kaveh having no family in sumeru, (haithams grandma, kavehs mother going to fontaine) so they only had eachother? So their falling out must have hit harder-
Hiya! Thank you so much for the ask!! <333
I have some analyses on Alhaitham and Kaveh being each other's home and family! There's quite a few so I'll be brief with the synopses here as I don't want to bombard you hahaha <3 I have discussed the idea of Alhaitham being the ideal companion/family for Kaveh in an analysis of Kaveh's 2023 birthday letter; the motif of 'home' and what it means for Kaveh and how Alhaitham factors into it; as well as in the relationship between Kaveh's mother and father and how this parallels with Alhaitham and Kaveh's relationship.
In terms of Alhaitham and Kaveh's argument, I've discussed Sumeru's concept of the academic family and how Alhaitham and Kaveh's argument served as the dissolution of their found family, as well as an analysis of their argument, specifically from Alhaitham's omitted perspective. I have also speculated life for the two post-fallout, mostly from Alhaitham's perspective as Kaveh (as usual) is more open in his character stories.
You've highlighted a really key aspect of their relationship which haunts me - they met each other after the respective loss of their own families. Kaveh just said goodbye to his mother as Alhaitham enrolled in the Akademiya, just after his own grandmother passed. This passage described in Kaveh's character story 5 describes this, and then him meeting Alhaitham within the same passage.
Kaveh is described to have 'wishful thinking' regarding his and Alhaitham's friendship, in that, where he initially believed that their views aligned, despite the reality they have differing approaches to life, this isn't inherently a negative thing, as it can lead to new philosophies. Kaveh didn't want to believe that their differences were impossible to surmount, and instead that they complimented each other. Perhaps Alhaitham thought so too? They both agreed to work on a joint thesis together, with this conveying the implications of forming an academic family in Sumeru, with Kaveh trusting Alhaitham in picking a topic that highlighted both of their strengths - which ended up being a project revolving around language and architecture; two subjects which Kaveh now believes to exist on opposite sides of the mirror. Initially, this was to demonstrate the good that could come from balancing these seemingly opposing fields.
Although, it would inevitably come to be that problems arose between them when the differences in their philosophies became a point of contention. The two's previous harmony became misaligned when the assertion that their respective viewpoint was 'correct' over the other. When Kaveh tears up the thesis, he effectively ends the relationship he and Alhaitham built together, as well as the prospect of their found family. Alhaitham, in turn, removed his name from the thesis due to Kaveh's ending of their friendship.
After this, Kaveh graduated and threw himself into work, chasing his ideals, effectively distracting himself - both from the loss of Alhaitham, therefore his loneliness, and from the potential truth that Alhaitham revealed to him about his guilt being the cause of his incessant altruism. Contrarily, Alhaitham's life after this point is devoid of detail, only that he became the Scribe and moved out of his grandmother's house into the property that the Akademiya gifted him and Kaveh for the progress of their abandoned project.
Kaveh describes meeting Alhaitham as one of the most pivotal moments in his life in his hangout, and in A Parade of Providence, he describes their meeting as when his life began to go downhill - indicating, rather, to the consequences of their inevitable falling out. Alhaitham considers Kaveh as one of his priorities in maintaining the way of life he seeks to maintain, and although he is more reticent than Kaveh, in that his inner thoughts are concealed from the player, an instance that stands out to me that their argument personally affected Alhaitham comes from A Parade of Providence. This is when Alhaitham comments on the contradiction of Kaveh's motives, in that he expresses he has bad luck but insists on drawing lots, despite the fact that Faruzan offers to split the points between them. After commenting on this, Kaveh displays genuine frustration with him - to which Alhaitham backs down and switches tact. This is especially prevalent within the EN dub, where Alhaitham stutters before changing topics.
To me this underlines that Alhaitham was just as affected at by their argument as Kaveh was. Especially since this exchange can mirror the very exchange that caused the rift between them - in that Alhaitham points out Kaveh's self-destructive habits and it is perceived as a malicious critique. Alhaitham backs down when seeing that Kaveh is genuinely hurt because he doesn't want to repeat the past - he doesn't want to hurt Kaveh and lose him once more.
This is also encapsulated in the fact that Alhaitham sees Kaveh as his mirror, in that they both have a lack of familial connections. When Alhaitham believes that the presence of another genius can 'perfect' his vision, this isn't just a reference to Kaveh's differing perspectives, this also offers Kaveh as a familial figure to Alhaitham - in that, Alhaitham views Kaveh as his family. Similarly, Kaveh seems to hold an idea that he and Alhaitham are bound by fate, or 'the universe', meaning that he identifies Alhaitham as being essential to him in someway, however, as of now, he struggles with this being a benefit, rather than a negative.
I hope this answers your ask!!? You've unzipped me and all the haikaveh found family brainrot is pouring out <3333
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Okay so, my tip for ocṭopath is that, if you're able to afford both, get both, if you can only get one of them, and you've got the money for it, get the second one, unless the characters of the first one appeal to you more.
OT1 isn't a bad game, but OT2 is objectively better in every way imo, and you don't really need to know anything about the first one to play it. If you plan on playing both of them either way, maybe start with OT1 bc it'll feel a lot clunkier if you do it the other way around, since OT2 has a lot of QOL improvements that OT1 doesn't have (like the 3x battlespeed, more varied animations and chapters and fully voiced cutscenes, for example). The characters in both are fun though. OT1 follows the archetypes of the main cast more closely, while OT2 usually tries to subvert them a little more, they're all very charming in their own way!
Anyway sorry for the long ask, but yeah I personally like octọpath a lot, and highly recommend checking it out! If you've got any doubts about whether or not you'd like it, both OT1 AND OT2 have demos you can play first! It's pretty neat
ooooo this is useful thank you!! i'll give the demo a go later today i think, steam didnt have it so i didnt know it was a thing at all lmao
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I feel like I keep saying this but I'm so like obsessed with my one friend (in a normal healthy positive way and also platonic)... Somehow every time we see each other we both act like we haven't seen each other in 100 years even though we just met last week or whatever. It's hard to describe but I keep being astonished that we are friends. The way we met and got to know each other/started being friends was so weird and kind of fateful. And it constantly feels like we're both so different and so similar, and like we know and understand so little about each other but also so much... like. We have extremely different life realities and we both frequently have to translate ourselves (both literally and figuratively) for the other but in a way that's very interesting and compelling to both of us (learning each others languages again both literally and figuratively). And there are some fundamental similarities and ways we just Understand... like I said it often feels very fateful. I occasionally worry that eventually that feeling will run out, especially in the beginning I kept feeling worried that she's like not as interested, but at this point at least I feel pretty secure in the friendship...
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OK wow I am really nervous to talk about them soooo first things first:
trigger warnings for: cheating in a relationship and contemplating suicide.
Vero is a guy, mid-thirties, very happy in a relationship with a woman for a couple years. He thought they were happy and on the same page and neither wanted kids. One night, she’s relaxing with him and brings up children. He immediately changed the topics then said he was going to go get some fresh air... and heads straight to a bar and gets really drunk. He ends up cheating while drunk (with a man) and he knows he messed up and he knows the woman he’s with deserves better. So he tells her what he did and that they should break up. Until that point, he was enjoying life living for her. To be with her. And breaking that trust and breaking her heart wasn’t supposed to happen. So he broods for a couple weeks and then heads to a bridge early in the morning, convinced he should just jump and get out of everyone’s lives.
On the bridge he sees someone already staring out to the water and spaced out. So he sighs and approaches her and it turns out that Chassidy is there for the same reason. She just wants to end her life and give up the pain of being rejected and disgusting. And Vero... just tells her they should grab some coffee. There’s a cafe nearby and out of the cold. She’s so emotionally broken she just agrees and they begin to walk. As they begin to drink in silence, Chassidy is the one to finally talk. She mentions how she was doing well in her college courses, she had a lot of friends, she had feelings for another girl she knew didn’t return the sentiment. But the girl found out and got disgusted telling her that “just cause I was nice doesn’t mean I would ever want more with you”. And Chassidy was just defeated hearing that. What’s the point in liking people if they’ll just be disgusted? When it clicks with Chassidy that the entire reason Vero was on the bridge was for THE EXACT SAME REASON she had she tells him they should just go back. Go and die together. Vero instantly declines.
Vero just tells her it’s a fresh wound that will heal. He says he has to get to work and he expects to see her at the same cafe in exactly one week. And then he leaves.
When Vero gets back to the cafe after the week passes, he realizes he’s actually looking forward to seeing Chassidy again. To see her hopefully having moved on and improved. Instead, he waits. And waits. And after an hour of waiting, he debates leaving. Then Chassidy rushes in and apologizes for forgetting her alarm and she didn’t /mean/ to be so late and she’s sorry for inconveniencing him but all he feels is relief that she made it.
The two continue to meet up and eventually Chassidy finds out about Vero cheating which is why he’s so against relationships whenever they come up in conversation and she tells him that he’s human. He did mess up. He should absolutely acknowledge it! But he shouldn’t let that mess up ruin his entire life. And she encourages him to try socializing with people without worrying about trying to date anyone. Just make friends with new people.
And he says he’ll try.
So the two basically become each others hype man/woman and encourage each other to live their best life.
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