#weird route mention

[bookof-xreaders]

So I have seen some of your headcanons of Kris's (S/O) following Kris into the dark world but if it is possible can you make a fanfic where Kris's human fem (S/O) invites Kris to her house to study, only for her room to become a dark world. I'd imagine the (S/O) would become a princess/have a princess class inspired by Anthy's dress from Revolutionary Girl Utena specifically the one from the movie. (Sorry if this post is long btw)

Sorry for taking so long on this! I had to do some research, so I hope you don't mind! Along with Anthy, I also based her powers off of Amy Rose (Sonic) and Princess Peach (Mario).

I just realized this was from June, so I apologize deeply!

Kris Dreemurr x Fem!Reader: Floral Princess

Upon landing in the dark world, the both of you realized how it looked like a kingdom. This kingdom looked like it belonged in a television series marketed at girls, more than anything.

However, the kingdom obviously had elements from your room. The castle itself looked more like a giant plastic toy than a castle.

Even though you were presented with this, Kris couldn't see much. You now had roses on your head, which seemed to constantly shed petals.

Once they were able to get out of the way of the roses, they fully saw you. Your outfit looked oddly familiar, probably it was from a video game or show you liked?

Even though you were both surprised that a dark world opened up in your room, Kris insisted that the two of you met up with the others. They didn't fully know if the group would be in this dark world, but it was best to find out!

On the way, the both of you discovered your abilities. Most of the time, your abilities activated by accident.

Your joy controlled wind, either making it a light breeze or a strong gust. Your anger lit caused things to burn, and pure rage could set things on fire.

After making you laugh, Kris was flustered from the sight of wind flowing around you. Full roses fluttered around the two of you, and Kris swore there was a pink tint to their surroundings.

During one fight, you summoned a weapon to defend Kris. This would only occur after Kris has been downed. + If the Player did a Weird Route, the weapon would be a sword similar to the Sword of Dios (as seen in Revolutionary Girl Utena). If the Player did not do that, the weapon would be a hammer similar to Amy Rose's Piko-Piko Hammer (as seen in Sonic games).

Thanks to your hammer, you're able to propel yourself (and others) off the ground with a single hit. This has been used in fights where launching someone at the enemy was required. + Ralsei does not like your hammer. Mainly because he was launched with it.

If you encountered Noelle or Ralsei in the dark world, they would make a lighthearted tease about your Princess and Knight in Shining Armor appearances. Even in a different plane of existence, you somehow managed to compliment each other!

[agentravensong]

I cannot remember if you were the person I meant to talk to but there’s a theory that Dess was a human adopted by the Holidays, and her disappearance was the result of Noelle killing her and repressing the memories (we know that even though intent is required in hurting monsters, the same thing doesn’t necessarily go the other way- while a human would need to want a monster dead, as we see in Undertale, it’s entirely possible to kill a human even when you really don’t want to)

Hm. Not a fan of this theory, gonna have to say.

The idea of Dess not being a reindeer monster is a plausible one; there's that bit of dialogue from Sans in UT where he refers to "the antlered girl and her sister", which implies Dess lacks antlers. But then, if Dess (or a version of her) exists in UT, then she can't be human, right? Because there's no way a human is just living underground at the time the game takes place; that would take all the importance of Frisk's arrival out of the story.

In addition, I think if she were a human, then it would lessen the impact of Kris being the only human around growing up, which is important for how isolated/distanced they seem from everyone else in town. (Though I suppose having one human companion only to lose them would be comparatively traumatic...)

And generally, I don't like DeltaRune theories that posit a character who we've yet to meet and whose status is currently vague was actually killed by one of the teens. There's an easy counter to such theories in that all the playable cast start the game at LV 1, and there's no indication that LV in the light world works differently in DR than in UT. And the edgy grimdark nature of such theories just feels out of place to me as something canon to these games outside of the bad routes (which are, importantly, something the player causes and therefore opts into).

Noelle's clearly already traumatized by Dess's disappearance, and we already have a route where we see her reacting to doing something horrible to someone she cares about and trying to repress the reality of the situation. I don't see what having her secretly already killed someone adds - if anything, I think it takes away from the weird route and the seriousness of what we do to her.

Plus, with Dess in particular, if she's dead, then why did her secret page imply that she's findable?

[lilybug-02]

Weird Route...

Spoilers for CT Weird Route below.

Please check tags for anything triggering ❤️

Afterlife...

........

This is not cannon, as the weird route is finished and it will not be added upon. But.......I often find myself wanting to draw for it. So here you are...

The weird route ends abruptly and without art for a reason. I wanted to make it painfully obvious that as YOU continue the route/story YOU stop getting anything out of it. You're only hurting the characters, and by the end, there's nothing left to do except start over.

I had thought of Asriel discovering Chara...well, dead. But I think that would have been too much for the scene. I didn't want to get any more depressing than it already was.

tbh I only hope that I can make an ending even half as good as this one. I still think about it often and I'm proud of the amount of work I put into it.

[kyeterna]

obligatory mspaint omori meme about the finale

[kastillia]

Truth is only an illusion.

[huecycles]

jevil & noelle friendship post

hi, i want to talk about how noelle and jevil would definitely get along well or even be friends! also how their characters contrast nicely with each other and could possibly have a dynamic as interesting and engaging as spamton does with kris. this is quite a long post, so yeah grab a seat lol. first off, take a look at noelle’s reaction to both of jevil’s items:

noelle likes horror movies, and jevil definitely fits that scary clown trope. the description for jevilstail is “a j-shaped tail that gives you devilenergy”, and it can be equipped on noelle. considering her comment, and how she compliments susie’s tail later, this could mean she thinks tails in general are cute (perhaps longer ones? susie is often headcanoned to have a lizard-esque tail while jevil has his j-shaped devil one. noelle has a deer tail which is pretty small lmao, kinda unrelated but i’m sure it could be for a silly reason like that, and in susie’s case, highlighted by her crush on her).

the fact noelle can equip jevilstail and say she likes an item that gives her “devilenergy” is very interesting too, and kinda goes along with what she said in the ferris wheel cutscene, how she wishes she could break the rules and be more like susie who isn’t afraid to do that. compare that to ralsei’s “i’m a good devil, ok?” and susie’s “figured i’d grow one someday” and you’ll see how noelle likes the idea of being “devilish” but is pretty shy about it as she mutters it.

now let’s talk about devilsknife. devilsknife is a susie weapon, it is pretty powerful and the name itself is already scary sounding. of course, noelle can’t equip it since her weapon type is supposed to be rings, but she doesn’t seem that scared when presented with the item, unlike ralsei who says it feels “too evil”. this is what she has to say:

devilsknife, as in jevil, smiles at her. now, how could she be seeing that? most people interpret this smile as the blade deforming itself to resemble jevil’s face, or his own smile being reflected in the blade. however, there’s a detail a lot of people have missed (as well as this little moment altogether which is one of few the indicators of jevil’s actual and current presence in chapter 2).

this is devilsknife’s description:

there’s a skull symbol emblazoned in the blade (which is a hybrid between a scythe and an ax, aka what lets susie equip it due to her weapons all being axes). 

now, according to my own headcanons due to certain wording jevil uses in his fight, like “EVEN DEVILSKNIFE IS SMILING!” and “LET’S MAKE THE DEVILSKNIFE.”, plus how tasque manager has the exact same reaction to both of jevil’s items, meaning she knows it’s him/knows of his presence there - contradicting the common idea that jevil is not the jevilstail and thus not in the inventory due to his wording in chapter 1 - but still regarding the devilsknife with some strange familiarity which could imply she knows it is a weapon and has possibly not only met jevil but fought him before: “silly tail” vs “silly Devilsknife”, capitalized...

...make me believe devilsknife and jevil are not one in the same, and are only “fused” (metamorphosis?) in the inventory. while i know certain details are hard to portray in a tiny sprite, you can see there’s no skull symbol anywhere in the devilsknife’s blade which has more empty space, and given how it’s “emblazoned” it would mean it’s a printed/engraved symbol somewhere.

so my small tangent here is that the skull only appears once jevil and devilsknife are fused together and in your inventory. considering how scythes are often seen as a grim reaper's weapon and associated with death, having jevil become the actual devilsknife and clearly maintain his conscience would nicely translate into a skull symbol appearing. the “THIS BODY CANNOT BE KILLED!” line also gives this some more depth. given how jevil’s "mind" is chained to his "body", as he gives a lot of emphasis to his body (”THEY CRAVED TO IMPRISON MY BODY”) and the association of how his mind is “free” while his body stays locked up paints a grim picture on how he was deemed insane, yet found a loophole in that, and thus “freedom”.

scythes are also famous for beheadings. jevil has no neck, his head separated from his body. and bringing all that back to noelle, THIS is how he smiles at her. pretty morbid, right? cool as fuck too :o)

of course, these are noelle’s only direct interactions with jevil through his items, but i’d also like to bring attention to how her themes and symbolism go along so well with jevil’s, just like spamton’s go with kris’s.

kris is often likened to demonic imagery, aka their creepy red eyes, the use of the horns headband, how they have an interest in summoning demons due to their search history, and finally: king calling them "lightbringer" which is just what “lucifer” means in latin + that word itself is generally associated with lucifer, satan, what have you. noelle has obvious ties with angels: being called one by both spamton and pink addison while on a snowgrave route, her comment about growing big angel wings in the ferris wheel cutscene, the angel doll her and dess made which rudy keeps around as a good luck charm, and so on. spamton and jevil, respectively, are the opposites in that regard when compared to kris and noelle, so the contrast here is really damn fun to think about and explore.

another thing is how both noelle and jevil are incredibly powerful and involved in violent acts (though you know how snowgrave goes, of course), and how kris and spamton are in a very similar predicament as puppets who try to fight back. i believe just like how spamton and kris both managed to relate to each other’s despair and tried to help each other out (albeit in a very warped way in spamton’s case), i think noelle and jevil would have a similar thing.

lemme talk about something interesting in the snowgrave route. there is a pattern going on with noelle that is slightly overlooked, which is this:

1) a order is given by the player through kris, often “proceed”. 2) the screen goes black, the iceshock sound is heard. 3) noelle is completely confused about what just happened.

in the weird route, there are several times where noelle zones out, and while the moment people focus on is when she’s using snowgrave on berdly, the iceshock on the puzzles + the pink addison to get the freeze ring are very important. she comments later on how the battles are blurring together and how she cant remember a lot of details, she just followed "kris's" command and acted accordingly. a similar thing might have happened when she iceshocked spamton neo too, as the screen goes black again.

considering how she says “there was so much snow, i couldn’t see anything” after berdly is in the ice, i believe whenever she uses her power while aided by the player (and later, her own, as seen in the last puzzle where she does it by herself, leading to when she encounters berdly where she was just about to freeze him, completely on “automatic mode”, seemingly just waiting for the actual order) her mind goes blank, and she just acts as instructed. noelle might even look like this while the screen is black, which is a bit haunting to me:

going back to jevil, and knowing how prone to violence/chaos he is, i believe he would be able to sense her affinity for power and maybe even help her control it, likely for his own gain as he is hypocritical (strips the player of choice once you arrive with the key and refuse to open his cell), though similarly to spamton and kris, jevil could feel some kind of connection with noelle’s power and how dangerous it can be.

i believe jevil could help noelle get a hold of herself when using her magic and not just follow someone else’s commands, as well as keeping a clear head through it all. he’s pretty damn powerful himself, so he would instead help her come up with her own strategies and willpower, even if his teachings might fall flat due to his own insistence on having her cause chaos. i believe that can overruled by noelle's kindness and gentleness, and due to jevil's own influence on her (to be more bold and assertive, as she expresses she wishes she could be more like susie and break the rules like i said before), whatever "plan" he may have on turning her into this powerful killing machine backfires simply because she says no to him. lol his own strong personality boosts her shy and scared one so that itself is his own failure, i think that’s hilarious and a great character study for the both of them!

i headcanon jevil calls her "headlights" as a reference to how she's easily scared + a cruel nod to the “deer in the headlights” thing, which fits with his character who has probably a morbid sense of humor. noelle would definitely be intimidated by him at first, but i think she’d warm up to him due to her own interests in “scary” people, firstly her crush on susie and secondly her strange friend jevil who looks like a killer clown in the flesh. an easygoing, kind kid in jevil's life would also brighten it up :) he could definitely use a gentle presence in my opinion, i mean. guy’s said to be a loner, even if he had seam.

long post, but yeah! i know the susie and jevil connection is easier to make because of their brief interaction, devilsknife etc, but i feel like noelle and jevil being friends is very unique and more interesting to me personally. if kris has their scammer puppet uncle, noelle has the silly, slightly intimidating clown (also uncle coded) who helps pick out her fits for halloween and do her makeup. she also gets to wear out five hairbrushes on the wavy mess that’s under his hat, then braids his hair during the afternoon and shows him different hairdos, choosing the one jevil’s eyes dilated at. kris takes a picture of him looking handsome under noelle’s care and hits ‘send’ saying “ey uncle spamgton check out ur lover boy” while spamton tells them to “del3te THIS”.

it’s nice it’s cool!! let jevil and noelle be friends!!

[theriverdraws]

Remember when Toby was like "I can't promise to be able to make you feel 'that feeling' that Undertale made you feel all those years ago", and now we only have 2/7 deltarune chapters and I'm already more mentally ill than ever before.

[rist-ix]

https://www.tumblr.com/rist-ix/749015401700229120 not you reblogging this when you ship bloom with the man who murdered her family 😭

Bloom's into ppl who slay! Hope this helps :3

[misted-buttercup-enjoyer]

Noelle and Chara Parallels

TW: Abuse, manipulation, murder, genocide, bad romance.

Noelle and Chara are interesting characters in similar situations of being manipulated into mass murder / thinking murder is okay. Quite a chilling concept! here are a few subtle parallels between them, plus bonus sections that gets a bit more speculative. Let's get right into it.

1: Coming When Their Name Is Called

Chara states, after you do two genocide runs, that they are "the demon that comes when people call its name." That would suit their role in Undertale (endorsing the Narrachara theory) where they begin narrating for us shortly after we name the fallen human. And Noelle seems to come when she's called as well. In the Spamton Neo fight, we call for help from Ralsei and Susie, to no avail. (The game specifically says, "You called for help...but nobody came.") Then we whisper Noelle's name and Spamton is frozen by Noelle's Ice Shock.

Bonus: We don't see Noelle do this, just like how we don't see Chara come at the beginning of the game either. Interestingly, we're able to see Noelle as soon as we meet up with her and only at the end is she out of our vision. Meanwhile in Undertale, we don't see Chara at all until the end, when we finally meet them face to face. Additionally, we meet up with Noelle fairly soon after beginning the game, but she isn't there right away. Neither is Chara, who begins narrating for us only after the first Flowey fight.

2: Being Angels

It's no secret about Noelle that she's surrounded by angelic themes. Spamton calls her "angel," she states on the Ferris wheel that she'd like to chuck herself off the Ferris wheel and "grow angel wings and fly away," and her outfit in the Dark World resembles an angel. Many have suggested she will be the Angel whose Heaven we, according to Ralsei's prophecy, have to banish. Meanwhile, Chara was one of the candidates for the role of "Angel" in Undertale's prophecy. Since they came from the Surface, many monsters would probably have expected Chara to be the angel who would free them. The Underground, as a storyteller states, was full of hope. Of course Chara failed at freeing monsterkind, and the prophecy angel turned out to be either Asriel or Frisk, depending on who you ask, or maybe it's the both of them. (That's a topic for another post.)

Bonus: What's really, really interesting is that there is so much evidence that Noelle will be the Angel, which makes me wonder if she really will be the Angel, or if the game will pull a 1'80 and it'll be Kris or Susie or something. Or maybe the role of Angel will be shared between a couple people, like it may or may not have been in Undertale--again it's not entirely clear on who the Angel is in Undertale. If she doesn't turn out to the Angel after all, then it would line up really nicely with Chara being someone that everybody thought was the angel but turned out to not be.

3: Twisted Romance

This one is a bit more debatable based on how you interpret Chara's lines in Undertale.

In Deltarune, our language and actions suggest Noelle as a romantic partner. We buy her a ring and convince her to "get" a ring. We pressure her into riding the Ferris wheel with us. And when asked if she and Kris are friends, we refer to her as "something else." This adds a theme of twisted romance to an already horrifying dynamic.

A lot of people are just so freaked out by Chara's unnerving encounter to analyze the lines much, which is...definitely understandable to be honest. But you'll notice that Chara refers to us as their "partner," stating that you'll be together forever. Both Frisk (who we are/are possessing, which is, again, a subject for another post) and Chara are referred to with gender-neutral terms and pronouns. "Partner" is often used gender neutrally to describe a romantic partner. Chara also has pink cheeks, which could be interpreted as either blushing or just natural color to their cheeks. Frisk and Chara both also share a (potential, in Frisk's case) mother figure and father figure, plus they are literal children. If that's not twisted romance, I don't know what is.

4: Getting Stronger

Chara states that together, you eradicated the enemy and became strong. This is how they refer to killing monsters. Meanwhile, Noelle refers to freezing Darkners as "getting stronger." Even the narration of this game states "Noelle became stronger."

In conclusion, both Chara and Noelle are manipulated into thinking murder is okay, have links to angelicism, may or may not be in a bad romance with the player character, and view killing as gaining strength, by the time we're done with them. Some of these are a bit shaky, but I'd say at least the first one is pretty definite.

Or at least that's my undertake, reverse salutations and have a nice day.

P.S. this is my first ever theory/analysis post so try to be gentle in constructive criticism, thank you T-T

[iamapoopmuffin]

I love when we sit down to play an otome game and manage to pick the choices that get our character horribly killed. 

Our stupidity becomes power of the worst kind.

[rogersstevie]

this season of ted lasso saying sam should forgive racists who vandalized the restaurant and  then you know, dropping anything to do with that storyline immediately afterwards

and the saying jamie should forgive his abusive father bc hating him apparently isn’t good for him or whatever

doesn’t feel great tbh

[mx24]

so. breaking down biblical verses from Job 37 NIV that may have relation to Deltarune, this time, in relation to the Snowgrave Route.

4: God's voice equated to a roar, a word in game that is currently important to Jevil, Susie, the Titans, and in extension, the Angel. of note, Jevil's line: "AND HELL'S ROAR BUBBLES FROM THE DEPTHS."

4.2: "his voice" and "holding nothing back", equatable to the Player's forcefulness in the Weird Route.

5 and 6: Kris' continues to put their trust into the Player, despite the actions they take in the route.

8: Darkners hiding and actively running from Kris and Noelle as the route progresses, they ARE the weather.

10: "breath of God produces ice", as Noelle Iceshocks per "Kris'" and the Player's command.

19: i have nothing specific to say here, just wording of particular interest to keep an eye on.

20: the Player is unable to communicate with Kris, even if they wished to object.

22: God comes "in golden splendor", gold of which is Noelle's color.

23: the Player is not able to be reached by Kris or Noelle, and this could be "justified" (incorrectly) that the Player is not (intentionally) oppressive with their choices, and are "correct" in them.

24: Darkners of Castle Town refer to Kris (and likely the Player) as Boss. Darkners, especially Ralsei, see Lightners as superiors, too. and "does he not have regard for all the wise in heart?" to oppose Lightners (and Lightners, the Player) would be incorrect; it is "wise to follow the order of things".

[ source: Job 37 NIV ]

these being verses from the Book of Job is particularly interesting, as the two of the primary themes in it is: trusting God, despite all that you may endure or suffer, and the mystery of His justice.

if you've got the time, definitely look into a summary or something of Job's story, as it is very applicable to Kris', especially with the Weird Route in mind.

[strang3n1ghts]

🚫

[saturnsfather]

something something clara states multiple times that she does not lie and although you have multiple options of dialogue with people ultimately you never truly know whether shes lying because you just dont know enough about her. artemy is incredibly straightforward in both games and very rarely ever lies, he doesnt see the point in it, and even when he doesnt tell the flat truth he doesnt lie he lies by omission. daniil is stated by saburov as being ‘impeccably honest[…]’ and that being what got him in trouble in the capitol, and while daniil definitely (at least has the option to) openly lie(s) to people more than artemy does, he doesnt shy away from being Blunt and open with his thoughts of people most of the time, and when youre not playing as him, he almost Never lies, and tells you when hes not going to reveal something to you.

they are all honest, blunt, and open people who are exceedingly clear about what they want and who they are. there is almost no obfuscation of the truth and yet. clara sees the other two as liars and demons intent on destroying everything, daniil sees the other two as fools who wont tell him what he needs to do his job, and artemy sees the other two as poisonous outsiders saying whatever they need to to get their own outcome.

theyre all portrayed by others, both the other healers and the people of the town, as deceivers and charlatans. and yet all three of them are some of the most honest people in the whole game.

[hella1975]

HELLA THAT CHERUB SKIRT IS AMAZING!!!!

teehee thank you my love <3

[multishipper-baby]

Deltarune Chapter 3 will be an interesting one, I think, because it will allow us to get a more clear vision on the patterns the game follows. What things are likely to be repeated and what are just coincidences.

Like... Every dark world so far has had a ruler, but I wonder if that's a necessity? Are all dark worlds MADE with some type of monarchy? And even if they are, how much can that be played around with? Because I can totally see the next storyline being about Toriel becoming the queen of the new dark world (and maybe also the antagonist depending on how the story goes?).