#worse than gaybait

[colorisbyshe]

the historical revisionism in that poll… stucky wasn’t gaybait. it was accidental gay subtext.

marvel didn’t even realize gay people existed until years after the captain america trilogy ended. you can’t bait what you don’t know

[dearweirdme]

I thank you for your detailed answer and I understand that things must not be easy for closeted ppl specially with their level of fame and I understand now the importance of choosing a bit more of artistic freedom and freedom in general but I still think that him agreeing to do this was one of the worse things he could have done for his career and i also feel now that him choosing to publicly do a lot of things that very much pointed at him and jk being together was really distasteful, I never would have thought this before but I just don't see the point of him wishing to make a point about his relationship with jk at all after doing what he did, I really wonder what was he thinking? Ppl won't take him seriously, won't take that relationship seriously at all, he's just harming his image bc he had that mediaplay above his head. There's just a lot of ppl thinking he's been gaybaiting all along instead of defending his gf, I guess this probably was important to him, sharing a bit about his real self while everyone was believing lies but it was such a bad choice now that I see it in retrospective. I didn't it take like that at all when all of this was happening I guess I just felt relieved that this hadn't changed and that he was still fighting but now it's like what are you even fighting? You did that and no one is going to seriously see anything statement in what you do with your bandmate, no one. And this will continue like that unless they ever come out which I doubt it will ever happen considering the choices they made. I remember even being somewhat upset back then for what I took as jk distancing himself from Tae publicly when I thought he needed the support the most but now I understand that he did it bc what is even the point in contradicting in any way a mediaplay he took part of and that has a purpose they must have agreed, was needed.

I really wish things would have been different and that Tae would have acted different, it's the way I'm 100% sure that tk are together and I have been for years and I still feel disappointed and I know is my fault for putting ppl I dont know personally into pedestals but it's just like I'm finding out that Tae is not as cool and brave as the person I had in my head and that also most ppl won't ever see him like that too and all the opposite bc of that mediaplay and the way he chose to act after it.

Seeing twt and TikTok and basically every platform after this is having a reminder that ppl really do see him as a coward, liar and a loser, even armys and idk when this will change, I don't think this at all bc i know it's not the truth and I used to get really defensive but now I have to accept that this are consequences of the choices he made, this and ppl never taking queerness related to him as anything but a joke or queerbaiting or fans deliriums

Hi anon!

responding to this ask:

Sorry for being late to respond to this, I've been sick these last couple of days (still feel awfull and pretty ligthheaded honestly, so If I seem weirder than usual... that's probably why.. also, I'm probably making more spellingmistakes than usual😶). I have had plenty of time to think about this though, because both this ask and your former one made me actually really sad... and I did want to think through why you felt like this, and why my feelings are so opposite. So here I go, and I don't mean to be harsh or insult, but at the same time.. this is how I feel.

We all have our own ideas about who we think an artist is. I think it is very clear that amongst fandom, there are many differetn thoughts going around about who Tae and Jk are as persons... what they are like on the inside. When we form an idea about who we think someone is, we also start getting expectations... and I think that is why it's almost unavoidable that at one point we get a bit dissapointed. It can be small disappointements (like, not liking an add, or a song, or that they smoke) but it can also be big dissapointments... like the one you are feeling right now. I think this also ties in with how so many were feeling negatively towards Jk when he didn't act how many wanted him to during Tae's Layover. Expectations were set (because of them being Tkk, but also because of how many perceived his actions during Jm's Face), and he failed misserably in many eyes.... but I digress.

We don't really know them well enough to be able to have that kind of expectations though.... especcially when it comes to their private lives (and when we talk about their closet, or their relationship... that is what those are). As Tkkrs we feel very connected to Tae and Jk. So much so, that at times we feel as though we are fighting alongside them. We make their battle ours. But ultimately it isn't. We can support them, and we definitely should.... but we should at the same time be aware that it is THEIR lives. Only they know the inns and outs of their lives, only they know what's at stake for real.. so they are the only ones who get to decide. So I understand that you might feel dissapointed because you feel you've been fighting for them so hard and now one of them made a choice that to you doesn't fit with what you think you've been fighting for... but at the same time I think you are wrong, because.. we don't know what it is that they are fighting for, and we don't know the exact inns and outs of their lives.

Personally, I've never fully felt as though they are fighting hard to be able to come out or to show us that they are romantically together. I just think that's not even an option for them at this point, both from a business perspective and a private perspective. There's a few instances where I feel Tae went a bit further (the insta pic before Paris, him posting only Jk and Bam before enlisting, the matching T-shirts). To me most of the other stuff is just them living their lives adn things we pick up on because we pay attention. So your and my starting point is different, I don't see them/Tae a someone who has been "wishing to make a point about his relationship with Jk". I think he has wanted to.. very much so, but don't think it is realistic to think that he wanted to out them. Your sentence "Ppl won't take him seriously, won't take that relationship seriously at all"... that's kinda what this is all about right, we're not supposed to take it seriously in a way. Because if everyone would take them seriously, they would be out.

Being in a shipping fandom will forever be weird. Would I reccommend it to anyone.. well, no 😂. It comes with a lot of highs but also with a lot of lows and I consider it to be a neverending rollercoaster of emotions in which you will actaully get bitchslapped from time to time. We will forever be fandom's punching bag. Are we to blame Tae and Jk for that? I personally don't.. and I've though about this hard the last few days. But my answer has continously been that: no, they didn't choose this. It's society that's wrong. That does not mean that I think they can never do anything wrong, there's things that would go too far for me as well. But imo that's not the case here. He did one walk, we don't know what he expected the fan response to be. Maybe he was expecting us all to brush past it with force like we do so many times. Maybe he thought it would have past already with that bua (which is what often happens). You are making a lot (!) of assumptions on his thought process and motives, when in reality we know nothing about it.

We know nothing about the actual hardships they have gone through. When I try to imagine what feelings they must've had throughout all these years of hiding is bad though. It's not just a case of not holding hands whne the camera's are off. It comes with being shamed, with feeling afraid, with feeling alone, with feeling wrong, with feeling you should let the other go because your just an obstacle to them, with feeling like maybe you should just leave, with feeling like you are letting everyone down... and that's just what I can imagine. We don't know the specific memories that haunt them. We know Tae has had mental health problems. To me it is not unimaginable that being closeted had a big part in that. I also think he always put the band before his own needs (wanting to resign for the members). I think the situation has been much more dire than any of us can guess. So when Tae chose an option (and we don't even know which other options there were) to maybe get some more freedom in at least one part of his life, I just think of him and his situation with a lot of empathy.

I suppose all the Taennie insanity from last week has bothered you. And maybe it made you feel as though we will never get rid of them. While I do think Taennie will have a bit of a long term effect, it's more in the sense of every now and then there will be an article refering to a rumored relationship. Taennies themselves will disapear sooner or later (as soon as Jennie is spotted with someone else basically). They are desparate, their ship meant nothing and is basically an empty vessel. Their is no real depth to it. I was kinda joking a while ago by saying I'll get a Jkk like essay in my inbox soon... but honeslty, Taennies aren't even able to leave an in depth essay.. because they have only bits of similar jewelry and edited pictures.

I have often said that Tae and Jk's relationship with Tkkr-fandom must be a complex one. It's a very onesided one, and I think we have to make amends with the fact that it's always going to be a one-sided one. That doesn't mean they don't appreciate us, but it does mean that they will probably never act out their appreciation.

[anxresi]

NEWSFLASH: Pink-Streaked Plot Device Confesses Crush To Equally ‘Perfect’ Protagonist. A Nation Of Undemanding Fans Weep.

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May I offer a few stray observations?

1. Zoe is not ‘Amazing’, Marinette. She’s just written that way. (Bonus points if you can catch the movie reference there) 

She’s obviously SUPPOSED to be because she has so many friends and loved ones, can do everything she puts her mind to SO well and hasn’t got a single fault in her oh-so-sweet personality. 

The problem with being so gosh-darn flawless though, is that you’re straight-out BORING... especially when put into the confines of a TV show where we expect the characters to be more than just insipid one-dimensional goodie-two-shoes. 

If only they had someone better to replace her, like a rebellious anti-hero... with many layers to their character and plenty of scope for growth and change... yes, that would be MUCH more interesting than a perpetually shilled Creator’s Pet...

Oops, they already got rid of her. So sorry, my mistake.

2. People should be honored to be ‘loved’ by Zoe? 

Not really. She probably ‘loves’ everyone, due to her single-note ‘nicey nice’ persona excluding her from expressing any mild distaste about anyone. Including her own newly-psychotic sister, who’s probably told her she despises her for years.

 She’d probably skip merrily into whatever-bullshit-name-Hawkmoth-has-these-days’ lair in a yellow sundress and a basket full of oatmeal cookies, give him a little kiss on the cheek before prancing out singing ‘Tomorrow’ from Annie, leaving a trail of fluffy bunny wabbits and freshly-bloomed daisies in her wake. 

Aaawww! *Retch*

3. “Adrien’s not the one I’m in love with...” OOOH HERE IT COMES! BRACE YOURSELVES...

4. ...AAANND like a deflated balloon, a broken swing and a show running out of ideas so quickly it shoves in these ‘serious’ moments that’ll never be referenced again, Zoe never explicitly says those three magic words (Alakazam, abracadabra and hocus pocus, right?)

I guess she wanted to be ‘special friends’ with Marinette the same way Rose and Juleka are. A more hopelessly unsubtle, pandering load of nonsense would be impossible to find... but it won’t stop a certain percentage of the audience from instantly shipping these two and finding this moment both ‘inspirational’ and ‘emotional’ (I can just see the hyperbolic tweets now: OMG I WEPT BUCKETS! I CAN RELATE SSSSOOOO MUCH etc)

Sorry, but I can’t get on board. I would say this was badly done whatever the sexuality of the couple, so you can kindly burn your placards screaming ‘BIGOT’ right now. The fact it’s so cynically aimed at a demographic that are often sadly overlooked in animation until recently (and naturally, afraid of some kind of Moral Panic the writers STILL can only hint at gay relationships instead of announcing them out loud) just makes the whole shameless manipulative process even worse, IMHO.

To all those who aren’t catered to by an often very heterosexual-focused cartoon industry, watch The Owl House. Give She-Ra a try. Just anything, instead of this pathetic... what was that term I heard the other day... Gaybaiting?

Yeah, that sounds about right.

(N.B If you get something positive out of this episode I am not seeking to devalue your experience or ruin your enjoyment... I am just saying, I think this is badly-done, poorly written tripe designed to earn the show brownie points when frankly it deserves none. A great example of virtue-signalling, to borrow a tired right-wing trope. You might disagree, and feel free to argue your case, but please respect my opinion by not calling me a bunch of profane names in response. Thank you.)

5. The short scene ends with Marinette letting the supposedly lovestruck Zoe down gently, with a hug and a silent promise to never speak of this again (believe me, they won’t).

 It’s a good moment for both of these favorite, endlessly-hyped characters of Thomas... Marinette gets to show her ‘human’ side and improve her already sterling reputation, whereas a lovesick Zoe takes her rejection surprisingly well.

 No tears, raised voices or even mucus bubbles... the entire emotional catharsis is over in less than 40 seconds. Guess they were too busy with more important stuff in the episode like Cheesy Chat puns, Hawkmoth’s Ham’n’Cheese and Marinette getting spotted panties from her Lucky Charm (I wish I was kidding... but I’m not. I’ve READ the leaks... *Shudder*)

.....................

So, to sum up then: another throwaway moment in an increasingly stupid show that could’ve been something special or left a lasting impact... of course, it does neither of those things. 

I mean, what were you expecting at this stage? The people who produce it are clearly not making any serious effort whatsoever, whether that be in the writing department or stopping MASSIVE spoilers from getting out and ruining the plot (although, I think they already did a pretty good job of that even before this latest round of security breaches).

So if they don’t care, why should anyone else? At least it’s fun to vent about... but time for a break now, to watch something with a bit of actual quality. Hmm... *Decides to see the Amphibia finale for like the trillionth time.*

[webginz]

whenever theres a not-gay duo with tons of chemistry in dc theyll make only one of them bi and then make them date someone random and not the person they partners with. like okay thanks for the bi character ig, but why do that if you arent gonna do it for both of them?!? 😭

superboy (jon) and robin (damian) -> superboy made bi and dates some random guy??

superboy (kon) and robin (tim) -> robin made bi and dates bernard?!? his friend from the 90s who called his mom hot

deadshot and catman -> catman made bi and dates ghostmaker?? i dont even know who that is. hes from 2020 and his backstory sounds super generic...

to me? its worse than gaybaiting... id rather they just be ship in the fandom than have their duo be broken up so that they can get with random people that dont make sense... like why do this???

[kelvintimeline]

why do you think stevebucky lost that poll? is it because of endgame? recency bias? the other ship being canon?

Most important reason is just this website sucks.

But it's multifaceted.

Biggest bit is just stucky fans are older, probably have migrated off the website, or at least are not engaged in stucky fandom anymore. It's been a while, it happens. Canon said fuck you, get gone, so many did.

But almost equally as big? OFMD people have a victim complex the size of fucking mars and use polls to exercise said victim complex. It's undeserved--they've been called out and mocked for valid reasons--but like... also a WEE bit deserved in the sense that they are THEEEE punching bag because OFMD is so emblematic of so many things people on this website are annoyed with--diversity to pretend to be "inclusive" and "progressive" while the narrative is the opposite, people who think "gay" is a genre, the weird acting style that's camp... but it's intentional and so it's just like... pathetic and theatrical in an annoying way, so it feels more superwholock than it does like... whimsical... the slavery apologism is a big one, can't forget that... the Taika stanning that popped up right when everyone realized he's a. annoying and b. kinda fucked up (the antiblack racism that keeps popping up in his works, the weird affair thing, and now everything going on with this soccer movie).

So... after Black Sails last treated them as a punching bag, showing them what REAL gay piracy is about... I think OFMD people put more stock into voting and therefore mobilize more around polls to be like "SEEE WE ARE THE GAY REP EVERYONE WANTS" when really, they're not, they're more invested in it (like the average person who has ever cared about stucky isn't... really caring about validation at this point), it's newer, and they have more to prove.

Go through the notes on the post and it's just "WOOO WE BEAT THE GAYBAIT" as if their show isn't just... worse gay bait? Like... it invented canon gaybait. That is to say... they baited in people with gayness because it had little else to offer.

It's not good gay rep. It's just... canon.

It's still shit.

And it still has incredibly weak fandom output outside of poll engagement because people are satisfied with the world driest gay kiss.

They fought harder to win the poll because it's the most attention they'll ever get from people with taste.

[vintage-bentley]

If David were giving "wait and see" style answers I'd have a bit more hope but he was talking to the Radio Times which is a reputable publication in the UK so I don't feel like he'd outright lie to them about the nature of Crowley and Aziraphale's relationship.

To be honest, both he and Michael have been pretty clear on this being a ~secret background story~ or whatever, and have repeatedly said it's up for interpretation, and I'm worried everybody's doing another Johnlock where they ignore what the people involved are saying and have convinced themselves they're getting confirmation that will never come. The difference is this would be even WORSE because of the marketing campaign for season 2 and Neil's baity comments.

I honestly don't think Neil would be affected by this either because the second anybody expresses disappointment the asexuals in fandom are going to make it all about them and about how society ignores and invalidates their kind of love etc. I think he'll be successfully shielded. There will be pissed off people (especially olds like me who were book fans first and have lived through this shit a billion times) and I'm sure a huge part of the fandom will be quietly seething but we simply won't be allowed to call it bait because "Neil has always said it's a love story and therefore canon uwu" (even if it's plausibly deniable to homophobes and eludes the casual viewer 🙄).

I also think it's very telling that Neil only drew attention to the fake spoilers circulating when a post appeared saying the season was "500% gay" and that Az and Crowley had many romantic scenes. He has also said that while the marketing dept at Amazon clearly love the show he would've advised them to do things differently were he not on strike.

I know we've all been interpreting David and Michael's tight-lipped squirming when asked about a romantic subplot as an attempt not the give EVERYthing away, but it could also be that they know they're not going to deliver what the audience wants (including, apparently, every single interviewer on press day lol) so have been ordered not to say anything that sets themselves up.

IF all of this does turn out to be bait I am going to become a fic writer just to spite Neil lol. Trust I will be writing the smuttiest fic and finding the nastiest NSFW Ineffable Husbands art imaginable and it will be gay, gay, GAY 😂

I still HOPE we're getting what we want because I'm an optimistic fool. I'm just not sure it's guaranteed in the way the fandom thinks it is.

(btw if this doesn't go through anonymously please message me rather than publishing? Unfortunately I have co-workers and real life friends following me on my main 😬)

Sorry anon I couldn’t help but publish these together, it’s very funny to me 😂

Now, I know you’ve done a complete turnaround, but I do see where you were coming from with your first ask. It’s fun to imagine that the squirmy tight-lipped attitude is them doing their best not to spoil…but it’s sadly true that it could also be them feeling like they’re walking in a minefield, knowing that fans are anticipating something they didn’t deliver.

And I agree with you about fan reception to Neil. Like I’ve said before, spicy straights thinking they can call themselves “queer” has been absolutely disastrous to our ability to talk about queerbaiting. Because that term is really supposed to mean gaybaiting. It refers to the specific trend of shows teasing a gay relationship to get viewers hooked, but never taking it anywhere to ensure they don’t loose the viewership of homophobes. But now since everyone and their mother calls themselves “queer”, they seem to think the term queerbaiting applies to them, too. Which has led us to the point where people say “actually this show isn’t queerbaiting, because they don’t show physical affection which is aro/ace representation! Not everything has to be gay!” (In other words, “this show is gaybaiting but I’m happy about that so you can’t get upset about it”).

So, even if the show ends up being perfect textbook queerbait…we can’t say that, because of how the term has been appropriated. And we’ll have to deal with spicy straights whining about how they’re oppressed by gays wanting representation.

But as I’ve said before, I’m very optimistic about it not being bait! Let’s hope we’re right!

[dyketrickfoot]

i just saw someone say the gaybaiting in stranger things was worse than v*ltron. i can tell you rn no it was not

[liu-yu-xin]

genuine question (sorry for my ignorance on this topic) - why do you hate w4ng y1b0 and x1ao zh4n? no worries if you’d rather not get into it, have a nice day 👍

no need to censor their names lol i don't like them bc i think their success has made c-ent worse. theyre two of the worst cases of dozens ive ever seen and i would be fine with it if they were dozens somewhere i cant see but they got astronomically famous off the back of that horribly made gaybait cashgrab cdrama (which i also hate btw untamed hater until i die i think its a honest to god embarrassment for chinese ppl that its the biggest cdrama ever with western audiences.) and they're just everywhere. taking opportunities and gigs they have no business taking and getting on stages they have no business being on. and their fans are so irritating literally the bts stans of c-ent. but if im completely honest MOST importantly they're both so fucking ugly which i consider to be the original sin for this genre of celebrity. esp wang yibo who is not even just ugly for an idol he is ugly for a regular person u could walk into any compsci lecture full of balding programmers and find a guy less ugly than him.

[scorpiozun]

straight ppl are so stupid god

like ok “liked by creator” this a kpop gaybait mv its not that deep and its not “representation” go listen to holland and real gay ppl ... stop getting mad abt ppl vaguely criticizing men u dont know

[jothriku]

They are setting up allura and lance, and keith with that galra everyone thought was his sister. And yeah, they killed adam after hyping him up :/

eXCUSE ME!?!!?!?! THEY’RE SETTING KEITH UP W/ WHAT’S HER NAME!?!?! (axca??? acxa?? i dont remember tbh)

dsdhshJJSDKSSDS WHAT?!?! lance and allura i guess i have less of a problem w/ bc they respect each other and i guess it’s been hinted at since the beginning BUT KEITH AND AXCA OR WHATEVER HER NAME IS!?!? literally what the fuck where did that even come from?? that’s so fucking random and?? out of left field?? and the fact that they’ve been encouraging k*ance shippers to get their hopes up this entire time is just. disgusting. bad. so bad.

and then adam... honestly as soon as comic con rolled around and they made their big announcement that shiro is gay and had a bf (fiancé??) i was worried they might just. never even touch on the relationship outside of that flashback. but the fact that they killed adam off entirely. im not surprised but i’m also incredibly disappointed and... hurt?? idec about v*ltron anymore (except for like lance and allura & hunk and shiro too) but that just shows how much the writers and crew actually care about their lgbt fanbase. they only introduced adam for that one scene so they could score brownie points for giving us a gay character who, in the end, never gets to be happy. smh

[boethiah]

I was wondering about your thoughts on how ESO could do better on lgbtq rep and stories?

do the same thing they're already doing, but with main characters rather than having all their rep tucked away in side quests. they're almost doing fine even now, they just need to stop being so blatantly controlled by the marketing department

redo morrowind and do vivec justice this time, redo greymoor and get rid of the multiple dead lesbians and the literal gaybaiting, redo craglorn and let us spare the ladies. let eveli talk about her relationship with solgra during her blackwood cameo (disclaimer: i haven't played blackwood so i don't know if solgra ever comes up, but i'm not optimistic)

like this is a funny question because eso HAS handled lgbt rep just fine. they just... don't do it consistently and have been getting actively worse about it. so ultimately i guess if eso wants to do better on lgbt rep i think they should simply bring back the writing team for the thieves guild dlc and let them take it from here

[emmiewtf]

ill never forgive sk8 for letting me down so much. i rlly thought itd just be a cute n goofy (it still is goofy, but like, in a bad way) anime w cool skating animation, along w some gaybait between the main protags (added for spice) and not... whatever it became in the end. we really Really did not need a "villain" (who doesnt even redeem himself in the end or even die like wtf was the point-). character conflict wouldve been enough + cool skating tricks. thats all i wanted

the way i COULD'VE looked past some of the flaws if ad*m had been arrested but nah he got progressively worse every episode and faced zero consequences for his actions.. like that sends SUCH a bad message and promotes so many harmful stereotypes. like ive seen ppl say 'he sucks but he's a good villain/adds to the plot/etc' but like.. i don't agree with that? like his character ruined the show for me he made me so uncomfortable and was so unnecessary like they could have still had the plot of reki's insecurities driving him and langa apart WITHOUT a pedo clown.. and yeah exactly like the tone in the first three episodes was so jarringly different than how it ended like it could have just been a low stakes funky little skating anime like i dont think anyone was expecting it to be anything other than that. my longest deep sigh

[nenastrology]

if you are watching kids on the slope for like uwu gay subtext cute relationship or whatever get out of here im sorry you literally are in this for the wrong reasons and you dont understand what is happening here even worse if you watched it and are like wow i am sad about the boys who play jazz together no this is an exploration of the depths of the human psyche and how much a single person can take its like a soap opera shoved into 12 episodes that tricks u its normal at the beginning ok whatever kids on the slope is like that iceberg image ok gaybaiting is what ur seeing above the water and then its like below the water is musical genre being a metaphor for what boy sentaro is more interested in the layers of the stupid and insane drumstick scene where u feel like ur head is being melted into a puddle because its like the layers of jealousy happening unclear what the fuck is going on and again the ultimate point at the end is of course sentaros fake out death and going to become a priest to run from gay emotions really um stunningly insane i think stunningly insane i realize i cannot fully capture exactly what i am trying to explain here but please imagine i have locked you in a room and i am explaining the entire plot of kids on the slope to you ok you dont even know the depths here but like that will happen one day like damn super relatable you know when its the birthday of the boy you have a crush on (december 25th christmas just like his idol jesus christ) but also refuse to admit this because again you are engaged in a complicated homoerotic friendship as the two closeted gay kids in school yadda yadda but you also both think the other actually has a crush on your friend who is also a catholic but a girl ritsuko ok and so you thinking you have a crush on ritsuko but she has a crush on sentaro and you are jealous of this and yet unclear of what exactly that means or whatever choose to buy him drumsticks because his second passion after god jesus and probably mary also cuz well hes a catholic is of course drumming and jazz and so since there are two of you like u buy one drumstick each very convenient that humans have two hands and use two drumsticks so this could work out you know but then like u get super upset about this or whatever and then like you say wow i know what its like its so hard to have feelings for sentaro to miss ritsuko or whatever i really get that or something and then also attempt to kiss ritsuko but she is super not into you and like theres crying or something and its like ok my thoughts feel like a blender trying to keep track of all the moving pieces a lot of things are happening honestly maybe i dont blame sentaro choosing god over this mess high school is overrated i mean he chose the beatles over them for a bit but then a power outage i guess short circuited his heart and he realized he couldnt be with the one out gay kid in school and realized that being a catholic suffering was far more important than happiness wow this sounds crazy yeah also like the day after saying i dont like the beatles as much as jazz (metaphorical breakup ok stick with me) and playing music together because well electric guitars are lame relying on electricity and shit to keep going could not be me its all about real instruments you dont need to plug in um and then after that public break up in front  of the school what else is there to do but get hit by a car to realign your life to remember to hold god as ur number one!

[bimboe]

straightbaiting is honestly worse than gaybaiting -_- when my fave straights dont end up together THATS when i feel murderous

[destroy-trash-boys]

i sound like a broken record but really, a lot of persona 5 is just poorly written. it’s been a running thing about how the characters or the party are better in fanon, i just now disagree because the fanon is so lazy and even worse than the canon now. it shouldn’t be up to fans to fix a canon’s bad writing, and even then, as a result of the shit writing, a lot of what people project and write in fanon has now become really shitty too. this goes for everyone. the persona fandom is like that one post about the voltron fandom - you know, the one about the restaurant that serves really great food but when you get there they only serve toast and everyone brought their own jam.

the only problem is you can have a regular arc for the thieves and other confidants, but akechi’s character literally only runs on shit the game didn’t mention and just the mystery and keeping fans wondering. it’s just so unbelievably bad that i can’t believe fans are still falling for it and validating this writing just because they want nothing more than “crazy murder boy”.

fans even admit they know atlus doesn’t care, but won’t admit royal queerbaits. absolutely no one who isn’t a complete hack would write a character this unfinished and leave people waiting for years for any basic information. i almost feel sorry for some of you. it’s really obvious that atlus doesn’t care and they only keep dangling this character and information in front of people just to do the same shit and everyone falls for it because of angst. 

whatever royal is hinting at is not coming. anyone who notices and hates companies doing gaybait would realize what a shit move that is from a company that not only refuses to provide representation, but they choose to bait the protagonist with a character who they were already just using as a cashcow. this shit writing is depending on fans filling things in with headcanons and abusive yaoi because atlus knew how much people loved adachi, and they will never provide anything better because you’re telling them this shit works. they don’t have to write a good character because people want a shitty one so they can headcanon anything, even though the shit they kept a mystery is shit normal people need to know to understand a character, especially a character that a game like this is trying to make “complex”. no normal writer or company would ever write a character like this. please just accept nothing is happening and you’re getting played.

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if you want to complain more about clamp I am listening :) as someone who owns many volumes of the manga in multiple languages...... I am listening. <3

okay i’m just gonna rant in a very, very long post everyone please just avert your eyes mental illness is happening

but like....... as someone who was nostalgically reading these manga to bring back some happy memories i had as a kid, discovering that these series (ccs which i remembere dfondly despite not having actually watched/read as a kid, and trc and xxxholic which i read with some of my best friends at the time) are not just deeply flawed but harbouring so much like... frankly heinous shit in them is like??? deeply hurtful to me???

and like... i could handle cardcaptor sakura being full of evil shit because i had no deep personal connection, i just wanted to better understand ccs references in tsubasa and lik better appreciate syaoran and sakura and like its 90s shoujo OVER COURSE ITS FUCKED UP! just like sailor moon and fruits basket like it’s not good but like... i can process it

trc hurts me because like... the character writing for kurogane and fai is fucking PHENOMENAL, the concept is cool and interesting and unique, it (for the most part) has great themes and the way it explores concepts like grief, trauma, sacrifice, and healing was a balm to my quarantined soul

but you can tell where they realized they literally... did not know how to resolve their plot? and it got so complicated it legit gave me headaches but at least i had kurogane nad fai and then they’re shoved to the side just for it to be revealed that syaoran... is syaoran and sakura’s son... looking to meet up with sakura... to be with her... so they can be his parents

like... wow so great to watch this beautiful relationship be explored with kurogane and fai saving each otehr from the worst part of themselves just to be sidelined for “what if those fourth graders from cardcaptor sakura where husband and wife AND mother and son but like NOT REALLY becaues syaoran is also syaoran’s own dad so is it incest or just really confusing” but no it’s both like legit when falling in love with sakura he comments on how she’s just like his mom like hello bitch? you’re 14 but i’ll still kill you that shit is WEIRD

so that wAS NOT GREAT and then it ends with THE GROUP SEPARATED AT THE END?? SO I COULDN’T EVEN GET A HAPPY ENDING like yeah maybe it’s good sakura and syaoran were separated but kurogane and fai got to stay together beacuse... fuck the incest  but like... where is my catharsis where is my happiness??

and i’m rereading xxxholic which was my favorite of trc/xxxholic as a kid and... first off, it’s boring, secondly, it thinks it’s smarter than it is an dhas contradicting themes every other chapter, but FUCK it’s so interesting but doumeki, himawari, watauniki, and yuuko don’t have half the bonds as the TRC gang and like... i still don’t know why doumeki was going so fucking hard for watanuki

but the concepts were interesting enoguh and watching watanuki grow was nice

but you can ALSO tell AGAIN clamp just got bored and didn’t know how to wrpa it up so suddenly watanuki gives up ALL HIS BONDS AND HURTS ALL HIS FRIENDS just to be reunited with yuuko??? despite the themes of the story being about how self sacrifice causes scars on others?? and that’s BAD like if you love your frieneds you don’t hurt them by undervaluing yourself??? THATS A BASIC THEME OFT HE STORY

and then they rush to pair off doumeki with a girl THEY HELPED RAISE so he can have children to stay with watanuki... himawari is written off despite her last interactions with watanuki being about them caring for each other anad choosing to stay in contact despite her curse... and like yuuko’‘s entire character is never explained she’s just like “i’m a woman who exists as a vehicle of plot in both TRC and xxxholic i will never be given depth beyond that... well also i’ll ruin watanuki’s life”

and hen the last chapters are just watching everyone grow up while watanuki is alone, never aging, helping grant wishes where he watches other immortal beings suffer and lose everyone, and it just ends with him relizing he likely won’t ever see yuuko again but he’ll keep waiting?? even though it’s been 100 yers and everyone he loves is dead??

and that shit is not good for my mental health like i feel like i have been isolated fo ra hundred years beacuse of covid watching watanuki choose it hurt edeply

like half the manga is about syaoran and sakura begging him not to vanish (also that plotline was WEIRDLY dropped) and the series ends with him effectively... vanishing a sa person and just becoming shopkeeper

how fucking depressing??

i could handle a sad ending if it had value. if it said something. if it didn’t have doumeki marrying a girl he knew since she was an abused elementary schooler while he was like 17. ESPECiALLY when IN THE PANELS REVEALING IT it weren’t like “atcually neither of them love each other they love watanuki but it’s fine” like HUH????????? FOR WHY

and ive really had to grasp the reason why there’s so much fucked up shit (incest, pedophilia) in those series is core to CLAMP’s messages accross all their mangas about soulmates nad how about love can triumph over everything

and like using such a PURE message to be like “if an adult is in love with a child and they’re soulmates, it’s to be” is so fucking evil

like they’ll tip toe around kurogane and fai, yukito and touya, doumeki and watanuki, and all the gaybait that i KNOW is in their other series because i’ve grown up seeing shit like tokyo babylon and legal drug and all their other dropped manga

because gay peopl ebeing soulmates is a wink and a nod

but ADULTS WITH CHILDREN THEY ARE IN CHARGE OF??? MOTHER AND SON MAYBE??? oh that’s fine they’re REAL soulmates who will go against TIME AND DIMENSION MAGIC ITSELF to be in love

like...............................

gay people are second class characters compared to pedos and incest... does it get worse than that? like besides emotionally destroyed by the sad endings, i get that shit too?

it hurts on a deeper level like feels like a betrayal and i’m kind of really sad i revisited something i enjoyed so much as a kid (even when i didn’t understand wtf was going on, because i was literally reading it at the same time my friend was and rushing) andd discovered this like... deep rot inside it

i could have continued to remember it fondly but now it’s just like... reaching the last bite of cake and being told it was made with maggots like... well i already ate it all...

there’s no point reading clear card or the unfinished tsubasa/xxxholic sequels because they’ve already ruined themselves like they can’t fix it

kurogane and fai still won’t be allowed to be together. watanuki still outlived everyone who ever loved him for a mother figure that can never come back. cardcaptor wrote off the fourth grader engaged to hre teacher but like... sakura’s dad is still a preadator

like... what do i do with these left over feelings then?

i’ll be over it in a dya but like for tonight i really do feel unwell

okay thank you i got it out in one post i am processing the feelings

i am gonna cry about watanuki being alone tho