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[theerurishipper]

I have no idea why this clown keeps coming back after I block them.

But anyway, Zuko attacking Ruon Joan isn't abusive. It's not right, it's toxic, but it's not abuse. After this one incident, Zuko and Mai are pretty much okay. They both make an effort to be better and we see that they are happy enough with each other after the fact. They still have their issues, but it is not with each other. And Zuko not releasing Mai is, idk, maybe because he's not actually the Firelord yet? Mai doesn't seem to be blaming him for anything, so idk why you're so torn up about it. And he never tried to start a fight between Mai and Ty Lee. I don't know where the fuck you got that from.

And Zuko never mocked Aang's culture "multiple times." In the first episode, yeah, he did. But I don't recall him ever doing it again. If you're talking about the instance in The Southern Raiders, I've already explained why he wasn't mocking Aang's culture there. Since you have time to circumvent my block and continue to subject me to your inane asks, you can find the time to peruse my blog and check it out for yourself.

As for the "firebending dangerously," he was trying to get Aang to take the situation seriously. You act like Zuko was practically torturing Aang during training, but we see that he's stressed out about the war and everyone else is goofing off. And Zuko never hurt Aang, nor was he actually going to. He was just trying to get Aang to stop goofing off and get his head in the game. Could he have handled it better? Sure. But it was a stressful situation, and no one has anything to say about it after the fact. Aang wasn't even hurt, in fact, Zuko was the only one who actually took a hit.

And now you're just being ridiculous. Zuko never actually stole Appa, in fact, he set him free. And again, he didn't mock Aang's culture. He hired the assassin, but he also stopped him and the Gaang forgave and welcomed him. I don't think you understand the concept of a redemption arc. Please educate yourself on the concept before you try to send asks like this thinking that you've made a point. You're just making a fool out of yourself.

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Zuko literally tried to murder the Gaang by hiring a hit man

Yeah I know. I meant it was a last resort situation for him and that he didn't set out with the goal of trying to kill him. Zuko only turned to murder in desperation when he was at his lowest point, and that doesn't make it right, ofc. But Azula was all down for murder from moment one, even if it wasn't Aang specifically. I don't know if this is the same person, but if you're going to accuse Zuko of trying to murder the Gaang, don't downplay Azula's own desire to do the same by saying she was just trying to capture them, especially since she was way more gleeful about it than he ever was.

[theerurishipper]

So apparently Ozai’s abuse of Zuko excuses trying to murder the Gaang

But Ozai’s abuse of Azula doesn’t excuse her trying to capture the Gaang?

Nothing excuses either Zuko or Azula's actions, but the difference is that Zuko redeemed himself, and worked hard to make it up to the people he hurt. While Azula only doubled down and lost everything as a result.

And I love how you play up what Zuko did as trying to murder the Gaang, while also downplaying what Azula did as merely trying to capture them. It's actually the other way around, buddy, because Zuko was only ever trying to capture Aang for most of the series, while Azula took the first chance she had to choose to murder Aang. Hell, her first episode had her trying to murder her own brother. Get outta here with that bs lol.

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Maybe the reason Azula is often a jerk to Zuko isn't just because Ozai trying to divide the Fire Siblings. Maybe it's also because Zuko is often a jerk to her and never does anything kind for her.

Zuko is "often a jerk to her" in reaction to her being cruel to him. He never really instigates anything between them. If he's yelling at her or annoyed with her it's almost always because she started it. Saying that he's a jerk and never does anything kind for her is victim blaming. It is Azula who is often "a jerk" to Zuko, not the other way around. And Zuko is not obligated to be kind to his abuser who also tried to kill him several times.

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saw a post that was like “ursa has left azula thinking she thought of her as a monster all on her own” and “this is no fault of ozai because nothing in the text suggests ozai ever messed with azula’s perception of ursa”

It's clearly Ozai's fault lol. Ursa never did anything to Azula to suggest that she hated her. She only ever tried to correct Azula's actual mistakes, like wishing death on her uncle and grandfather. And obviously, Azula didn't come to these conclusions herself. I wonder who taught her these things, I wonder who else carries these ideas. I wonder who else would want to isolate Azula from any potential positive influences. Hmm.

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Do you think people would still be mad at katara and call her a bitch if the genders were swapped? How would people take a male katara threatening fem!zuko? Would they accuse him of being sexist or would they be harder on fem!zuko or at least understand that katara has a right to be angry?

I don't think so. I think there is definitely misogyny involved in the way Katara gets criticized for threatening Zuko. If the genders were swapped, I think there would be some outrage about it, but honestly I don't think it would be as vitriolic as some things I've seen.

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Not to mention that saying a villain got what they had coming isn't necessarily victim blaming? Esp when tbe context is theit victims/the heroes fighting back, esp if the villain is more than often at fault for those conflicts and they were the ones who started it anyways. Saying Azula deserved it when her victims/the gaang fights back and knocks her down isn't victim shaming because she's not the victim here. At least none of the people who who hit her left a scar on her or fatally injured her and nobody cares if a genocidal racist gets hurt in real life or fiction so why should anyone suddenly care when azula gets hurt?

Exactly. Azula, despite being a complex and sympathetic character, is still a villain. Her downfall was her own doing, because she pushed away the people who cared about her and tried to control them through fear. Ozai instilled this in her, which is still abuse, but she chose to continue down this path and her own abuse is not an excuse for what she did to her own brother and friends. Azula is villain who did not change, and she got her comeuppance as all villains do. It's basic storytelling.

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Sure, azula wasn't responsible for lu ten's death, Ursa leaving, etc. But she sure did do plenty of awful things that distressed zuko which is everything you've mentioned. She took more pleasure than she should've when she participated in his abuse and while sure, ozai may have wanted her to participate as his golden child, there's no indication he forced her to participate and I think it's pretty clear that Azula herself hates Zuko.

Ozai didn't make her bodyshame Zuko andr Iroh, slutshame and threaten ty Lee, make Mai be afraid of her secretly, shame the servant girl and kick her out, kick out Lo and Li, say ableist things about Zuko, take pleasure in seeing zuko's face be permanently disfigured, say rude and racist, classist shit to the gaang, try to kill zuko and katara again in the finale, knock zuko down for offering her tea, try to kill Ursa and hurt her second family, be mean to Kiyi and taunt zuko when Ursa went missing or mock Lu ten's death.

Those are all things azula decided to do herself. Yes, ozai did abuse and influence her but it's very obvious that azula is a cruel person on her own. Ozai doesn't have to ask her to abuse Zuko because she'd gladly do it for her own amusement as much as she does it because she thinks she makes Ozai proud.

You nailed it, I have nothing more to say.

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What Azula says in the finale is pretty damning because she says, "you can't treat me like zuko!" She blames him for ozai making her step aside without letting her join him in his quest to conquer the world and that sentence says a lot how much of an apologist she herself is when it comes to abuse, especially when Ozai's involved and how much she hates zuko and has internalized tbe belief that Zuko deserved the abuse.

Exactly. Azula and Zuko both internalized the idea that Zuko deserved the abuse, which is why Azula also gleefully abused him with her father's enabling. She knows he's treated like shit, but she thinks he deserves it, and she's better than him so she doesn't. This is all Ozai's influence, of course, but she believes it genuinely and acts upon it to hurt her brother as well, and that's something that's integral to understanding her character.

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How tf does the Gaang have the energy and patience to tolerate azula? She honestly had all of their (retaliated) attacks coming, Zuko should've ordered his friends and bodyguards to attack her a long time ago.

The Gaang are almost saints tbh, I would not have lasted. There's only so much one person can handle being attacked over and over again.

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God forbid if any of the characters in the show ever even so much as bodyshame azula in retaliation or left a severe injury on her/killed her.

Like she's a villain??? She doesn't need to be protected and her actions are bound to be criticized. Love them or hate them, villains are going to be criticized at one point or another so there's no point in her stand delaying the inevitable.

Plus she's not exactly the sensitive type and she's a fictional character. Either way, she's not going to care. Just because she lashes out at any form of criticism doesn't change the fact that she's a rude and mean person anyways.

I think the idea that a character has to be pure and good to be loved is what's responsible for some of the more deranged takes we see here. Azula may be a relatable and symapthetic character, but she's still a villain. She's still the bad guy, and she will be criticized more than your average character. Zuko doesn't get this treatment because he changed. It's like asking why people criticize Ozai more than Iroh. Obviously because Ozai is a villain, and he stayed that way till the end, while Iroh became a better man. I think we'd all be a lot better off if we accepted the fact that liking characters who are genuinely shitty people is not a moral failing, and you can love them without trying to justify their every action.

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I honestly don't mind azula not getting a redemption because it would feel awkward to me and I feel like sometimes villains don't need to be redeemed, especially if they're meant to represent how an abusenvictim could easily continue the cycle of abuse as well as what happens to people like that when they blame everyone else hut themselves for their own misery and agony.

Me too. I don't actually want an Azula redemption. Not because I feel she can't be redeemed, but her role in the story is to be Zuko's foil, the one who couldn't grow and change like he did. A victim of abuse who became an abuser, who continued to perpetuate violence and fear until she lost everything.

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What did they expect the gaang and zuko to do, lie there and take azula's mockery and tolerate her dick moves?

Yes, that's literally what they want. They want the Gaang to just take it and not fight back at all. It's why they always take the comic panels out of context and act like the Gaang are always attacking Azula for no reason, when just flipping one page back will show Azula attacking first and trying to kill them. It's actually baffling to me how you could twist something so clearly apparent into whatever they say.

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What do you think is the reason why people refuse to accept the fact that azula is a villain and the fact that she's supposed to be scary, esp to the child audience?

I guess there are a lot of people who really like her and relate to her, and they can't stand to see anyone criticize her. So, they try to victimize her and blame the people who she hurt, because if it's their own fault then it excuses Azula of any accountability. Which is why these Azula stans almost always hate on Zuko or Iroh by painting their actions in the worst possible light without any nuance or reason, and on most occasions pretty much misinterpret everything they do to be a personal attack on Azula. At this point, Zuko could sneeze in front of Azula, and they would take the fact that he didn't say "excuse me" fast enough as an indication that he is treating her poorly. They just don't want to acknowledge her flaws and so they deny and downplay her actions constantly. Idk.

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exactly, like you said, azula has always been the one about control, always have, always will be unless she makes an effort to change. She herself admitted fear is the only way for her and she thinks trust is for fools. She still displays this abusive, very fucked up way of thinking when she tells Ursa that she should've killed Zuko as if that would make Ursa happy. She's still thinking about herself only and not at all about Ursa or zuko.

This is completely true. And it's sad, because I do think she genuinely loves them and wants to be loved by them, but she just can't let go of the entire foundation of her worldview. She even knows, subconciously, that she is in the wrong, but she just can't stop trying to control everything and make everyone fear her. It's genuinely tragic.

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