#sanders sides romulus theory

[do-not-consume]

Sanders Sides predictions!! (On my burner account just in case anyone takes this too seriously) this is just for fun, don't sue me. (Includes all characters... Uhh in some form, there is no violence except threatened and I do realize at least some of it could never happen due to being too complicated to film in an apartment.) It starts very vague and then gets to dialogue for the really good part. DLDR

The video starts with Thomas. He's really struggling to put together a video. Logan immediately jumps to the opportunity to talk about the healthy schedule he proposed. Patton is summoned pretty early (pops up for a pun) but after he stays uncharacteristically quiet. When he's pushed, he admits he'd rather be quiet than wrong.

Logan assumes it's an anxiety problem then and summons Virgil. Who, for some reason, is avoiding Thomas like the plague. He tells them he has nothing to do with it, which immediately calls up Janus. Virgil leaves asap. Janus explains that, actually, he's not here because of Virgil, he's here to watch what Remus is about to do. Turns out Remus has been walking around all excited about this new change in process that's supposed to happen today and since he wasn't in his room, Janus figured he would find him up here. But there's no Remus.

Janus also looks confused as to why nobody went to get Roman. Logan admits he still doesn't like him very much and would have preferred if he stayed out of the picture for what is clearly a Patton related problem, because Patton is very soft spoken right now and Roman would just talk over him like he always does (and he had plenty screentime in the last video anyway). Both Thomas and Patton feel too bad about last time to talk to him first. But alright, if it will help the case, we'll summon him... Exept he doesn't show up. Thomas isn't scared, he's got complete creative block.

Roman must've ducked out.

They decide pretty quickly that they should go to his room (at least once Janus reminds everyone that they don't know where Remus is and what he could do if he's alone with Roman)

So they get into his room.. but it's dark. There are torches on the walls, beautiful paintings of Prince Roman, slaying the Dragon Witch, slaying on the stage, royal portraits of him and Mrs Snuffles. A single painting of two young boys, playing together in the garden, one dressed in black and one dressed in white.. And there's a throne.

"Well well, look who decided to finally show up." A man gets up from the throne. His voice sounds ice cold. And as he steps down into the light of the torches, they turn green. And they see a man with a big crown, worthy of a king, with a white streak in his hair and a sword by his side.

Janus looks like he'd just seen a ghost. "We have to leave. Right now. This isn't safe for any of us"

"Awwwh, Janus," the man before them slips into a Remus-like voice, walking closer and closer"don't spoil the fun." His voice turns cold once again. "You know.. I've been thinking about what you said to me last time we met. That I'm just the same as my brother. That we're both evil and cruel.. and it hurt me. It hurt me very very deeply," he grabs Janus by the cape. Others try to help him but he dismisses them. "I never wanted to leave my room again, how much it hurt. I couldn't believe you would say something like that... Something so.. true. I was too blind to see it before, but you were right. I am just as bad, as my brother is. And if I'm just as bad.. there's no reason to stay split apart."

Logan finally gets between him and Janus. He lets him go willingly. "Falsehood. You all have your own specific purposes in this system. So please, Roman-" a deep chuckle interrupts him

"Roman? Oh, haha, no. Roman's dead now. Me and my brother are one once again, no prince, no duke, but King. No Roman. No Remus. I am King Romulus, and you will address me as such. Now, get out of my room. Before I feed you to Mrs. Sniffles."

Behind the throne, a large plume of smoke emerges.

"Well, that ain't a cat" Patton is still quiet, staring down a giant silhouette of a dragon witch rising up.

[deepred00]

NAME IMPORTANCE IN SANDERS SIDES

Guysssss, I just realised something and it might have already been talked about but I couldn't find anything so I'm writing it now. So, we all know about the name reveals in Sanders Sides, their meanings and their importance, but I was casually watching through the series again when in Selfishness VS Selflessness I realised something that I have been noticing before but not knowing why. The moment Deceit, Janus, talks to Anxiety, Virgil, and brings up Virgil's reluctance to share his name. And that scene has always stood out to me in someway but now I finally realised why. Because Janus lied. It's not something new, he's literally Deceit, BUT it's what he's lying about that is important.

Janus: "Oh, so you've never been reluctant to share anything with the group then?"

Virgil: "Don't"

Janus: "What? I just meant your name"

Virgil: "DON'T!"

JANUS IS LYING YET BEING TRUTHFUL ABOUT HIS RESPONSE!!! THAT'S THE BEST WAY TO LIE, TO ALSO BE TRUTHFUL!

We may think, even assume, that Janus is talking about Virgil not telling his name to Thomas for a long time before finally revealing his name to be Virgil. BUT Virgil's reaction is too emotional, too strong, too desperate to be only about that. It's more like he's pleading Janus not to reveal something. And it would be ignorant not to include the fact that there's A LOT of theories about when Virgil was a "dark side" he was not Anxiety but Paranoia.

And now to the point I wanted to talk about. Names, their meanings and their importance. So let me list their names in chronological order they were revealed so you can see them clearly.

Logan

Roman

Patton

Virgil

Remus

Janus

And of course the orange side we do not know of yet. But look closely at the list of names. And do you remember what Patton said when Virgil revealed his name? "Huh, but that doesn't end with a -N"

And now look at the "dark sides" and their names. They end with -US. Do you see the the name that doesn't really fit in?

VIRGIL

AND I BELIEVE THAT IS BECAUSE IT'S NOT HIS "REAL" OR "TRUE" NAME BUT CHOSEN NAME!! Virgil means protector, that is what Virgil want to be for Thomas! Virgil doesn't want to be Paranoia, he doesn't want to be the bad guy. HE WANTS TO BE A PROTECTOR! And that is why he chose that name!

AND THAT'S NOT ALL!

Let's look at the name etymology here too!!

For the "Good sides" their names correspond with Aristotle's ingredients for persuasion, albeit Roman's name is not visibly linked to its correspondence like the others.

Logan - Logos

Roman - Ethos (Roman being the side with charm and scene presence)

Patton - Pathos

And now for the "Dark sides" we know of. Their names are derived from roman mythology.

Remus - Twin brother of Romulus, the founder of Rome which corresponds Remus being Roman's twin, since Roman's name is basically taken from the ROMAN EMPIRE as well as Romance and all. Plus it also places great significance that Remus is only an offshot of Roman, without Roman, Remus would not exist and therefore his name corresponds to "the twin brother of the great mythological founder of ROME"

Janus - God of doorways, duality, gates, passages, beginnings and endings, always depicted as two-faced. Two-faced=Deceitful

AND WHAT ABOUT VIRGIL'S NAME? DOES HIS NAME FIT INTO THESE CATEGORIES? NO! VIRGIL IS NOT FROM ROMAN MYTHOLOGY NOR ARISTOTLE'S PERSUASION! IT'S A SIMPLE ROMAN NAME, THE MOST WE CAN FIND IS THAT AN ANCIENT ROMAN POET HAD THE NAME VIRGIL. WHICH IN ALL HONESTY FITS ROMAN SANDERS MORE THAN VIRGIL. AND I BELIEVE IT'S BECAUSE DESPITE EVERYTHING VIRGIL WANTS TO KINDA BE LIKE ROMAN TO THOMAS, HIS HERO. ROMAN IS THOMAS' HERO AND VIRGIL WANTS TO BE THOMAS' PROTECTOR, HIS HERO!

SO IN CONCLUSION... I think Virgil's name is not the name he had before or his "true" name. It is his chosen name and that is what he wants to be. That's why it's different from the other sides' names. That's why Virgil has been so sensitive when Janus brought up his name and why Virgil has been sensitive about being called paranoid. Because that's basically someone he has been and not someone he wants to be. It's almost like being called by his dead-name. And this just makes me want to hug Virgil even more, feed him spider-shaped cookies, give him some calming tea and just.. be there

[justyourtypicaltuesday]

Can Roman Mythology give us insight into who Orange is?

(Note: To minimize confusion, I will be differentiating between historical/mythological figures and their Sanders Sides counterparts by coloring each mention of a Side in their respective color.)

Ever since the fact that three (or four, depending on definition) of the known Sides have names rooted in Roman mythology was brought to my attention, I've been meaning to do my research and explore how this could hint at the next plot point- and given my recent fascination with WTIT, I thought giving my thoughts on Orange theories couldn't hurt.

If you didn't already know, Virgil is named after the famous Roman poet because Joan and Thomas wanted his name to fit with Roman, like Logan and Patton's go together as Logos and Pathos. In addition to this, Remus was named after the Roman myth of Romulus and Remus, in which two princes disagreed on how to found Rome and Romulus had Remus killed. And most intriguing of all, Janus is named after the Roman god of doors, duality, beginnings, transitions and famously has two heads (which the half-human, half-snake face is reminiscent of).

While this is all very intriguing, I started doing research into these Roman myths to explore possibilities for Orange's character. So, I started by looking at other Roman deities closely related to Janus, and two names came up repeatedly, Juno and Diana. Juno is the Roman equivalent of the Greek goddess Hera, and Diana the same for Artemis. Juno and Janus in particular have a strong relationship, often working together to bring in a new month with a new moon. The epithet Juno Covella- to "oversee, help and protect the moon during difficult labors," and that during these rituals Juno "had the function of aiding and strengthening the moon / when her force was supposed to be at its lowest." Additionally, in Virgil's "The Aeneid"; the protagonist Aeneas has to flee Rome because of a storm Juno created. He's led to Carthage, which is historically Rome's sworn enemy, but he starts to grow an attachment to the people there. While the rest of the story (which I've spared for the sake of brevity) may be a concerning parallel to Virgil's character development, the main character having to flee his home for its rival is a dead ringer for his story, and in this comparison, Rome would be the Others. If Rome was home of the Others, Juno would be one of them, and therefore could realistically be a contender for Orange.

Depending on the source, Janus and Diana (sometimes called Jana) are a pair of deities, or Janus is the son of Trivia, an epithet of Diana. Either way, the two are closely linked. Given Diana's equivalent to Artemis, she is associated with hunting and the wild. However, something particularly interesting about Diana is she is sometimes referred to as a "triple goddess" - referring to three aspects of herself. Diana the Huntress, Diana the Moon, and Diana of the Underworld. Virgil often would call Diana by the name Trivia in his works- referring to three-way crossroads. In legends associated with Diana, she is shown to have the power to assign and rearrange authority, and is heavily associated with a woody grove named Lake Nemi. She was even sometimes worshipped as "Diana of the Wood". Given the WTIT endcard completely centred around a tree, this makes for an interesting observation...

And if you think I'm reading too much into things here, maybe you're right. But during this research, I found that Virgil is an anglicization of what was most likely originally Vergilius or Virgilius. This being Virgil's original name would fit with the naming convention of Janus and Remus, and there's evidence Virgil was mocked for his name sounding like virgin. Sound familiar?

"Shouldn't it be something like Virgin?"

I'm not saying that my theories are flawless, or even likely. In fact, Thomas has no obligation to continue the theme of Roman mythology in characterizing the Sides. But given the current pattern, I wanted to take a stab at what a possible Orange inspired by Roman myth could be. And here's my answer:

- Name beginning with C or D to continue the trend of naming each side with a unique letter.

- A "last resort" - a push of energy to get through a difficult, desperate situation.

- A metaphorical hunter, a "tamer of the wild". A calculated aim and precise with delicately honed skill.

- Assigns authority and place. Possibly responsible for assigning the Duke and the Prince, and who is regarded as a Light or Dark Side.

- A guide through difficult crossroads and a bringer of well-meaning change, often in partnership with Janus.

- Symbols of the moon, lakes, trees, and the underworld.

Take what I've said with a pinch of salt, as this is mostly the result of a few Google searches and internet rabbit holes late at night. I am not a historian and I'll never claim to be one, but it doesn't mean I can't have some fun and learn something in the process.

[anotsowickedwitch]

Romulus! He was a founder to and king of Rome, and was a TWIN BROTHER to, guess who? REMUS. Read the wikipedia about Romulus and Remus, there's so much connection! This whole thing ties into my theory of Roman (His name kinda sounds like Romulus, doesn't it?) becoming, or at least considering becoming a 'Dark Side'.

Hear me out, here. Roman has been getting increasingly... Rude lately, and with Janus being chosen by Thomas over him in the latest episode (Putting Others First, Selfishness vs. Selflessness redux) has got him feeling that he isn't being listened to, that he's beginning to work with the 'Dark Sides'. Desperate for Thomas to listen to him, he joins the ones Thomas is beginning to trust more, in Roman's eyes.

Maybe he changes his name, changes his entire persona. OR maybe he fuses back with Remus, Gem-Fusion style? (It is known that Romulus killed his brother in a dispute, so maybe Remus didn't want to?) This could be a very interesting plot point, and maybe they could unfuse once Roman breaks out of this black-and-white, good-evil mindset he's fallen into!

Who knows, it's a possibility. We won't know until the next episode comes out.

Date of Post: 11:16 AM, May 11, 2020

Edit: JUST REALIZED ANOTHER CONNECTION GUYS. It involves Janus! Right, so King (Prince and Duke connection!) Romulus and his men ended up doing some pretty bad stuff (kidnapping Sabine women), JANUS caused a giant volcanic hot spring to erupt, causing the attackers to be killed, burned, or disfigured in some way. Later, though, they decided to make peace with the Sabines, and created a new community together.

So my guess is:

Roman feels the 'Dark Sides' are being listened to more than him, so in a desperate attempt to get Thomas to register his opinions, he fuses with Remus (Who might not even want to, or is hesitant to at least?).

"Fine! If you won't listen to me, I'll be somebody else!"

They fuse, Steven Universe-style, and a new side emerges. Romulus, King Creativity. Two halves made whole. Grey clothes, orange sash. The line between good and evil, black and white, has been blurred.

It would be interesting to see if he had, like, a split personality? Or maybe no prior memories up to when the split originally happened? Who knows! I really hope this is what happens! Happy theorizing, Fanders!

Date of Edit: 11:13 AM, May 22, 2020

Sanders Sides: /gives me Remus, Janus and Vergilius (the “original version” of Virgil)/

me: /immediately researches for any Greek/Latin names that ends with “-us” for Orange/

[knottaghost]

I feel like Janus would call Roman different names just to mess with him. He’d be like “Romeo shut up” or “god dammit Robert”...also have you guys noticed that Roman is very defensive when it comes to his name- he started to freak out when Janus said it was spelled “wroamin” and when Virgil say “5 seconds max” he just immediately starts freaking out by saying “I’m not ‘mAx’ I’m prince Roman”

[phantasmofimagination]

The Split

Morality couldn’t stand the thoughts spewing from the Kings mouth. Sometimes the Kings ideas were beautiful and enchanting and other times they were vulgar and gorey. It was the horrific thoughts that he couldn’t handle. Hurting butterflies and pushing other children off the swing set. That was wrong! And those kids had done nothing to Thomas. And if The King was talking about things that were wrong... wasn’t he himself wrong?

Self-Preservation enjoyed his time with The King, even laughing at some of the more taboo thoughts that spewed from his mouth sometime without thinking. They had there ups and downs, with both of there egos having plenty fuel. However they got along for the most part. The King was interesting... And the duality of The King made him so intriguingly Charming.

However, over time The King became difficult to manage. His ego swelled too high and he wouldn’t listen to anyone, sometimes resorting to violence to shut anyone up who dared to question him. He was becoming a detriment to Thomas. The young child spewing things from his mouth without thinking and thinking far too highly of himself.

Morality was appalled by how Thomas was acting, and knew he had to do something! He had been far too lenient, he would have to be stricter. For the greater good of Thomas

Self-preservation could see how this was effecting Thomas, how his once good friend had lost control of himself. How it was causing chaos in the mind palace. He knew that he had to do something to keep the peace. No matter the cost, He had to protect Thomas.

Morality and Self-preservation met in the common area. Self-preservation had been pacing a hole in the carpet, trying to figure out a way to manipulate The King into hacking down. Morality run into him on accident. He had been heading to Logics room to ask him for ideas. (Though he wouldn’t tell him what exactly for, to protect him.) When Self-preservation asked Morality directly what he was doing Morality couldn’t lie to him, and he told him what he was doing. Self-preservation told him that he had been having similar thoughts. And the two hatched a plan.

They would take the good part of King and separate the bad. Though, neither could decide which was truly bad. Morality disliked the unfiltered part of the King, while Self-preservation hated the egotistical, selfish part of the King.

Self-preservation was at his wits end. And so was Morality. They couldn’t decide what part of the King to be rid of, but they couldn’t destroy all of him! In the middle of there argument the King came back from the imagination and demanded to know what was going on. Self-preservation kept his mouth shut, while Morality fought to explain. The King was enraged, and drew his sword at Morality.

Though before he could harm the moral side, Self-preservation struck at him, telling him off for all the things he’d done. The King seeing this as a sign of betrayal cursed his old friend for if he wished to slither around his emotions and lie through his teeth, Than he could do so permanently, as a snake! Self-preservation almost had no time to dodge the magic and he wasn’t able to dodge it completely. It hit one side of his body, making the skin fester and boil until scales took its place.

Morality, seeing this as his opportunity started the process of removing the “evil” part of the King. Self-preservation though blind in one eye and in searing pain was not going to let the “detrimental“ part of his friend be put in the spotlight and so he did the same.

With both of there goals different and conflicting interests all around, neither part of the King was destroyed. But he was torn apart.

Most of the values Self-preservation despised and the characteristics Morality adored were put into the side that had a red outfit.

While most of the values Morality Despised and some that Self-preservation adored were put into the side with a Green outfit. However, this new side wasn’t breathing.

Self-preservation made his way over there and tried to save him, he ended up using the last of his energy to do so, however he lost a part of himself as he did and Morality watched with tear filled eyes as a section of the Green King’s hair turned silver. Then he started breathing again.

Morality tried not to show his fear of the side of the face that Self-preservation was cursed on, but it was hard, however Self-preservation showed no filters on how disappointed he was in Morality. They were supposed to work together! And all morality had been was Selfish!

Morality, with tears streaming down his face took the Red side of King to the the common area and Self-preservation took the Green side of King, and took him deeper into the mind where neither of them could be hurt again.

Self-preservation lost most of his ability to speak the truth, and was only able to do so if he focused, but it left him drained and his throat sore if he did it for too long.

Morality lost his confidence, choosing to bottle up his emotions and fears so that he wouldn’t be selfish and tear apart something again.

The Red side didn’t remember much, only to not trust the words of a Slimey Snake.

The Green side remembered Most of it, and knew never to trust Morality, he tried to kill him after all!

The “Twins” met for a few months when they could get away. But overtime the Red side declared that the Green was bad for him, he was too unfiltered and had horrible ideas, while The Green side thought his brother was far to egotistical and his ideas were cliché. The two went there separate ways.

Overtime it became noticeable that the two still had traits of the other, The Green having a large Ego at times, and The Red having ideas that were taboo in someway.

You can never shatter a mirror directly down the middle.

Several things were lost that day, all for the good and wellbeing of Thomas. 

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This is just an idea that popped in my head of how several things happened in Sanders Sides, all occurring from the split. I hope you enjoyed! Have a wonderful night/day! And remember to be the You that You want to be!

[pontsalin]

That’s my headcanon now

[morannegg]

Okay, but what if the blank character slot is the King?

[aj-the-witch96]

Sander Sides theory?

Okay, so I was working on a new fic, and I don’t know exactly why it just hit me, but it did. We all know Roman and Remus are brothers right? Uk what I just realized,

Romulus and Remus

Roman and Remus

In Roman mythology Romulus and Remus are TWIN BROTHERS whose story tells the finding of Rome. In the story Romulus kills Remus.

So are Roman and Remus story loosely connected to Romulus and Remus or am I just crazy?

@thatsthat24

[transmasc-charlie-lee]

So. Virgil Sanders. The Dark Side who is no longer a Dark Side. I have had this theory about him for a WHILE now, since rewatching the series a few months ago.

What if Virgil wasn't always his name?

First of all, all three Light Sides (let's call them LS for quick typing's sake) have names that end in 'N' (LogaN, RomaN, PattoN). And the two Dark Sides (DS) who embrace being DS both have names that end in 'S' (RemuS, JanuS). But Virgil's name doesn't end in either, as Patton points out: "But that doesn't end in an 'A-N' or an 'O-N'". It makes sense that Virgil would want to not have his name associated, even subconsciously, with the DS, but also too anxious to try and force himself into the LS.

And second, something that doesn't really relate to his name but rather to not wanting to be associated with DS: the accents. Janus and Remus both have vaguely British accents, and in the bloopers, Virgil is the only Side that Thomas accidentally slips into a British accent for (I know, I know, it's not technically canon, shh). I think this is because Virgil has a British accent but hides it.

But what would his name have been originally, if not Virgil?

Well, it would have to be something ending in 'S'. Another thing connecting the DS is that each of their names have connections to Rome - Janus, Roman god of two faces, Remus, who got killed by his brother Romulus in a Roman myth, and even Virgil, a Roman poet. So Virgil's old name would most likely be connected to Rome as well.

My best guess is Marcus. One of the names most associated with Rome. And trying to come up with a new name is one of the reasons he held off so long on telling the LS his name. He would've been worried that they would think it didn't fit him, or matched up too much with theirs to have just been his from the beginning.

And that is my theory. Another one based off of this same information is that Roman believes he should be classified as a DS and so copies them as much as possible while still fitting in with the LS. That, or since Roman knows Remus, he would know that Virgil was trying to come up with a new name that wouldn't match the DS as much and so started vaguely copying the DS so Virgil would know that it was okay to be a little like them.

Do with this information what you will. I honestly just wanted to get it out of my head and into the world.

[codecarpenterbee]

Sanders Sides Theory/Imagine

(originally posted on my Twitter @/CodeCarpenterB)

Imagine.

Okay okay, so this is more of a theory than an imagine (and possibly an idea for a future episode), but bear with me. You'll need some background before we get to the ✨j u i c y ✨stuff.

❤️/* Content warning for angst. */ ❤️

What's in a name?

It tells a lot about a Side. Their past, their present, their future. Going through the series, we can clearly see that a name is a deeply personal thing to a Side.

It's their identity.

And that identity is strongest for one Side in particular.

Which Side that has repeatedly, needlessly reaffirmed his name?

Which Side that panicked when his name was doubted, albeit jokingly?

Who is the one Side that is so steadfast in his name, his identity, that he is nothing without it?

Identity. Self. Ego. Pride.

R-O-M-A-N.

Think about it.

In SvS, he nearly panicked when Janus said that Roman's name was "actually spelled W-R-O-A-M-M-I-N."

I'll admit, Janus was definitely joking here. Simple teasing, nothing more. The most intuitive Side in the Mindscape surely isn't onto something.

In FWSA, not once, but TWICE did Roman reaffirm his name, even though no one was questioning it right then.

It seemed completely out of place, but there he was, telling us that he is indeed Roman, the one and lonely. (oop Freudian slip, and a discussion for another time...)

The bottom line: in recent episodes, it has been made perfectly, 100%, crystal clear.

Princey's name is Roman. His name has always been Roman, and his name will always be Roman.

...right?

You could probably spell your own name for me right now if I asked, almost without thinking.

So why would Roman, the brave, handsome, unbeatable Roman, need to use a memory device (Really Obviously Muscular And Nice) in SvS to remember how to spell his own name?

All the clues (the memory devices, the needless reaffirmation, heck even the part in SvS: Redux where he uses Janus' name against him) point toward one conclusion:

Roman's name is important to him, specifically him.

"Prince Roman" is his identity.

But what if it wasn't?

Imagine. (Yeah, we're starting for real now.)

* * * * * * *

They'd sunk down into Roman's room looking for him.

When they found him, they wished they hadn't.

The very instant Thomas and three of the Core Sides rose up, they could tell that everything was wrong.

Roman had always been so careful to keep his room regal and fit for royalty, but now the very air told a "riches to rags" story.

The red and gold curtains behind Patton, now just barely hanging onto the walls, had been ripped to shreds by human hands and some sharp weapon.

The makeshift stage upon which Thomas stood had almost been turned upside down, quite literally, in what was obviously a fit of rage.

Even the shelf of acting awards, the ones Roman had been so proud of, had been destroyed, shards of wood and metal littering the carpet.

"You sure he's here, Logan?" Patton asked, twisting the sleeves of his cardigan, a habit he'd most likely picked up from Virgil.

The anxious Side himself was clearly even more worried, biting his nails and glancing toward the Side Patton had addressed.

"Of course he's here. We've searched all the other rooms, and he wouldn't enter the Others' rooms, so this is the last-"

If he hadn't ever so slightly moved to the left at that moment, the katana that harmlessly whizzed past his face could have done some serious damage.

A Side (most likely Patton) screamed as the lights went out. An eerie voice began to speak.

They wished it didn't sound so familiar yet so strange, like the voice of an old friend but grating against their ears.

"You know what they say. Rome wasn't built in a single day."

A Side (most likely Patton) screamed as the lights went out. An eerie voice began to speak.

They wished it didn't sound so familiar yet so strange, like the voice of an old friend but grating against their ears.

"You know what they say. Rome wasn't built in a single day."

Like the room itself, everything about him was so, so wrong. His spotless white attire had been traded in for a suit of black, almost blending into the shadows. The royal sash he'd cared for so well was gone, replaced by one of a much, much darker shade of red.

Even his eyes, once a warm and vibrant shade of chestnut, now almost glowed as they burned into the souls of anyone looking into them.

"R-Roman?" Thomas stuttered, clearly in shock. Surely this figure before him couldn't be the prince he'd known and adored since childhood.

"Roman is dead."

"NO!" Patton yelled before he could stop himself. "You're Roman! You're Princey, our hero!" His glasses fogged with the tears he hadn't even noticed had begun to fall.

"You're right. Roman was a hero." Then those fiery eyes stared directly into Thomas'.

"But I'm not your hero, am I?"

So who—what was this Side? He looked exactly like the Roman they knew, yet nothing like him at all. Like the departed specter of someone they once knew, only very much alive and terrifyingly real.

Thomas could barely choke out the words through his panic and shock, but most of all, his regret.

What had they done to cause Roman to become... this?

"W-who are you?"

All eyes were on him as he began to speak.

"My name..."

The now-Dark Side before them took his sweet, sweet time to answer, dramatically savoring every word as though he'd rehearsed for this moment for days.

Who knows? Maybe he had.

And it was in that moment they understood the gravity of the situation.

Roman was gone.

"My name is Romulus."

*** fade to black ***

[eccentric-blobfish-on-the-run]

THEORY ABOUT NEW EPISODE (SPOILERS AHEAD)

So I've never posted a theory before but I've been reading through the ones about the most recent episode (Working Through Intrusive Thoughts) and I have my own theory that I'd like to share for discussion. I'll be using points and ideas from other theories and I apologise for not remembering all the names of people but I'll say when it's someone else's idea

THEORY:

There's a theory going around that Logan and Orange are a Jekyll and Hyde situation and I like that, I think that's a great idea, so I'm piggybacking off of that and I think that Orange has the same purpose as Logan, he just achieves it in a different way. This theory follows the general belief that Orange represents Wrath/Rage/Irrationality in some way, which I've seen circulating a lot, especially since the latest episode.

If they're a Jekyll and Hyde situation, they would have to be seperate 'people', so I don't believe that Logan is a Dark Side, as another theory goes. What I do think is that they both have the same function (logic) but Orange is what happens to Logan if he stops restraining his anger.

Whenever Logan has lashed out or lost his temper, it seems to occur when he's being ignored or people aren't listening to what he's saying (examples: Accepting Anxiety, Learning New Things About Ourselves, Working Through Intrusive Thoughts) and that is Orange trying to make Logan, and therefore himself, heard. If they have the same function, regardless of which one is speaking, their point will be the same, its just that Orange has no reservations about doing what needs to be done to get people to listen.

In terms of why they split, I think maybe Logan tried to separate himself from that side of him, the angry and more irrational side, and thereby created this extra logic, similar to how c!Thomas separated Roman and Remus and created the Creativitwins. I know that c!Thomas dictates how each Side looks and behaves sort of internally but Janus has the power to hide Sides from him, so potentially Janus is involved in keeping this side of Logan more subdued, though occasionally he slips up and Orange is 'released', so to speak.

After the latest episode, there also seems to be a general consensus that Apollo is potentially the name of Orange, and my theory supports that too. Doing some research (since we know all the Sides' names have connotations to their purpose), the name Apollo in Roman mythology refers to the god of light, the sun, philosophy, healing and medicine. However, in Greek, from Hebrew derivation, the name means "destroyer" or "to destroy", which I think is interesting and worth noting. In mythology as well, Apollo was one of a set of twins (with Artemis), and twins are not only a theme in the Sanders Sides series and the Bible (Romulus and Remus) but also fit the theory of Logan being in a Jekyll and Hyde situation, since his Hyde could technically be classed as his twin.

LAST NOTE:

That's basically all I have but I wanted to share my theory and get other people's thoughts on it too, so that we can figure this mess out together. Thanks for reading

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Newest Sanders Sides Theory

Hello! I have so far stated that Virgil is a bat until Thomas says I’m wrong, and stated that Patton is a frog, specifically a White’s Tree frog. But What is Roman?

So far, I think a wolf. 

Firstly, wolves are symbols of leadership and loyalty. Roman considers himself the leader of the sides, as seen in the ‘Am I Original’ video, casting himself as Leonardo, the leader of “The Ninja Turtles’. Not to mention that he is literally a prince, a leader. 

We can also examine his name: Roman, derived from Rome. Based on the ledged of Romulus and Remus wolves are considered the symbol of Rome. And given our beloved hero’s family history we can see that the story of Romy and Remy is rooted in his lore as well. 

Wolves are also heavily associated with another famous twin, the god of music and sunlight Apollo. Roman definitely has a connection to Apollo considering that his emblem has a shining sun, and that Roman is the embodiment of creativity. 

Wolves are also a symbol of romance, since they mate for life. They are pack animals, much like Roman needing his friends and they are fairly stubborn and territorial. So, they aren’t likely to forgive any snakes that have already tried to trick them.     

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Okay so like I’m going to try to guess Janus’ entire arc in one Tumblr post so if you don’t want to know my theories, just keep on scrolling.

So recently I had the pleasure of going to the Meet and Greet Thomas was hosting and while I didn’t have time to ask everything I wanted to, I did have time to ask about Janus’ name.

Basically before the meet and greet, I had accidentally searched ‘Janus’ instead of ‘Janus Sanders’ on Google and found that Janus was a Roman god believed to be responsible for managing transitions, literally and metaphorically, doorways, time, etc. He’s a two faced god which probably inspired Janus’ half snake half human makeup. So that was plaguing my mind and as I entered the meet and greet, I knew that I wanted desperately to ask him about that and if that was intentional. Basically he said that it was intentional. And so now that I have that information, I believe that a lot of Janus’ character arc is inspired by what this god is.

Even down to the dynamic Romulus and Janus have is pretty accurate to what Roman and Janus’ dynamic is-

Consider the picture above ^^

So now I believe that Janus’ purpose in Sanders Sides is to guide Character Thomas into a metaphorical transition. Now I have no idea if it’s going to be about his thinking or what but Janus is going to have to guide Thomas through that, even if Patton or the other sides may object.

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Sanders Side Theory: Creativity’s Name and Roman’s Struggles

Theories Masterpost

Well, apparently some people were interested in my Orange side theory and stuff.

So let’s talk about “King Creativity” and why I disagree with every name theory I’ve seen so far and what I think instead. I’m not certain “King Creativity” is ever going to be named in the show, just knowing he existed is probably enough, but wouldn’t it be fantastic if there was a backstory episode? Or even aside episode?

First! Let’s start with the fact that I actually think it’s really interesting that everyone’s defaulting to Creativity being “King” when it is in fact Emperors who ruled Rome. Not a criticize, just interesting thought. Second, Kings were supposed to sit back and let their knights and armies basically do all of the physical work (Unless your Arthur, but it usually got him into trouble so! Moving on!) while you lead them as whatever supreme ruler title you take. However, a Crowned Prince was often at the head of said adventures and battles, in the thick of it all, but was basically indisputably the accepted next in line. (Approved by the courts and all that jazz, I mean historically it didn’t always go that way, but that was the intention). However, a regular Prince and a Duke could absolutely have a power struggle, especially in the situation where the Duke was previously “next in line” before the Prince’s birth. So if Roman and Remus ever did duke it out (also mini theory that Remus chose Duke for the fighting reference) I think one of them could/would become King, but I don’t think that’s who creativity was before the split.

Now I have a particular crowned prince in mind that creativity is named after, but lets not get ahead of ourselves. Let’s start by talking about some of the most popular theories and why I disagree with them.

CW: for before the “Keep Reading” section. There is mention of metaphorical and fictional murder, war, lgbt theory (not that, that should surprise anyone). Roman backstory (aka things he might regret now.)

Romulus: While I suppose it’s convenient in the fact that its sort of the names combined, Romulus is already the role that Roman is filling in his relationship with Remus. Twins that supposedly found Rome, but Romulus killed his brother Remus to do so and become the ruler. Romulus literally named Rome after himself. This isn’t a hint, this isn’t something that’s upcoming or anything, this is backstory. Roman is literally just a modernized version of the name Romulus. Remus’ banishment to the darkside was his metaphorical murder. It also suggests that Roman took an active role in sending Remus away, which also helps explain a lot of Roman’s current struggle with Janus. Can you imagine the kind of guilt he might be feeling if he was the one who decided his brother was evil and he was good and then he passed judgement? If the darksides aren’t evil, then Roman and he metaphorically murdered Remus, then he wasn’t the hero slaying the beast anymore. Instead, he’s suddenly the bad guy.

Buuuut Treeni, what about Patton??? I hear you say. It would have had to have been morality right?

And to that I say you’re WRONG! And also right. Patton’s kinda been shown to be the most accepting bean of the whole lot, he doesn’t really try to force the others away the way some of the other sides do. Instead, he puts his foot down on his own convictions and refuses to listen to reason. (I didn’t say he was perfect.) Still, he doesn’t try to physically push the others away, not Virgil when he tried scaring Thomas, not Janus when they argued and Patton was clearly distressed by the courtroom situation, and not even Remus when Patton was clearly scared of him (also defensive of Roman). He doesn’t need to, he’s self-assured in his own place and convictions that he doesn’t worry about Thomas pushing him out. Instead, Patton kinda takes the family holiday party route and will do his best to put out the emotional fires and stand his ground on his opinion to Thomas when he needs to. (The ONLY time I could find Patton sort of pushing someone away was when they were in his room and Patton asked Logan to stop. While that could weaken my argument about Patton, I think it strengthens it because it shows how big of a deal it was at the time that Patton tried shutting him down. Logan reacted the way he did by immediately storming off because it’s not something Patton does.) While it could absolutely be Patton’s influence that caused the split, it would be out of character (as he’s currently defined) for Patton to actively push a side away. (I’ll get into some of his more negative aspects in another post if ya’ll wanna hear about it.)

Remember, Roman was the one who tried shutting down Virgil with bullying tactics, Logan too sometimes. Then he tried to use the same tactics on Janus when he tried putting his foot down on maintaining a black and white view point of the world after Remus’ appearance. Keep in mind that Remus actively told us that he blames Roman for his banishment. He compared himself and Roman to Cain and Able. While c!Thomas and even the audience as a whole were sort of led to think of Remus as Cain because of the “dark and evil” association, Remus is telling us that he is Abel. Roman is his destroyer. (Before you feel too bad for Remus, that misconception was also on purpose because while Remus isn’t a liar, he can manipulate a situation with honesty. Again, another post if you wanna hear about why.)

So now there is some general understanding of the twins backstory, you’ll see why Romulus would be a terrible fit for their combined name because Roman is already Romulus. Period. He’s the one who betrayed his brother by “murdering” him and taking over.

Making Romulus the name of who creativity was before because the names kinda morph together would lazy writing compared to very carefully woven details the show has had thus far (particularly in season 2). Okay, that went on a bit of a tangent, so next!

Caesar: This is a person who brought about the destruction of Rome, not the creation of it. (With Rome basically being the metaphorical state c!Thomas is living in now with clear lines between good/bad, right/wrong etc.) While it’s not a horrible ideology, it would be moving forward in a historical timeline instead of backwards. If you subscribe to the idea that Roman and Remus cannot go back to who they were (even with some kind of theoretical re-morphing) Caesar might be who they become, but it seems unlikely that is who they were. Remember that both sides are individuals now and those individual traits they’ve gained since splitting may not re-mesh cleanly back into who they once were. I personally don’t think there’s any “going back” for Creativity.

If they show him as he once was, it would likely only be in either a backstory bit or in a temporary situation where the re-combining doesn’t hold. However, if Creativity ever did become one thing again, I think it would be something completely new and I think Caesar would be a good fit for that in particular.

Aeneas: Again, it would be kinda lazy writing comparatively. Instead of using a sorta combination of the names that had some historical basis, this theory is based entirely on the idea of a convenient ancestor who quested and failed over and over to create Rome. I could have bought this had it been from lesser writers, but Thomas, Joan and the whole team do not mess around in story crafting and really carefully woven in references. I am literally degreed in writing and analysis and I keep finding myself impressed at the layers.

The name Aeneas also implies that the character Creativity was specifically questing for a change and that seems doubtful given the resentment between the brothers. Aeneas was essentially a left-over scavenger trying to scrape together a new home from what he could from already broken pieces and that does not sound like what Creativity is implied to be.

If we look at child development, I would theorize that Creativity is the oldest side. In the creative process, there are two major steps, first is information absorption, then second is application. The first thing any child must do is learn, anything and everything. The world is a limitless and imaginative playground. New material is around every corner and there it takes a while before the distinction between reality and fiction to be understood. It was probably just c!Thomas and Creativity for a while and as the others emerged, they looked up to him. It could even be potentially argued that Creativity was literally their creators.

This would imply that Aeneas would be a pretty terrible fit for him in that case because there’s nothing broken that he’s trying to salvage. The kingdom is his and c!Thomas’ to preside over with the other sides as his subjects. (c!Thomas being the distant “King” and Creativity being the “Crowned Prince”).

So, with all of that out of the way on why some of these theories are probably wrong, what do I think?

I think Creativity’s name is Hector.

Now, hear me out on this. For those of you who have read the Iliad you probably know exactly who I am referencing. You just may not know why. So stay with me here.

1. First, for those of you who don’t know, Hector was the Crowned Prince of Troy, the leader of the army that the Greeks (the perspective we’re getting) are facing off against. He’s also cousin to Aeneas, but actually accomplished things during the war beyond being saved by Aphrodite. This means he’s also an ancestor to both Romulus and Remus (albeit technically less direct). However, Hector’s family is where the royal lineage of Aeneas comes from. Though we follow the story mainly from the perspective of the Greeks (and the gods because they’re TROLLS), the Greek’s are pretty villainous in a lot of their actions throughout the story and they are most definitely the invaders. In this case, I would liken the Greek army to “outside opinion” for c!Thomas. Others interjecting their views on to someone and breaking his own beliefs. In this situation, Creativity would have been his biggest defender and hero, retreating into magical imaginary worlds to escape judgement.

2. So lets get onto the character and why him, shall we? Hector will literally do anything for his family. The war takes place because his little brother, Paris (one of a whopping 49 brothers mind you) either kidnaps, has Aphrodite kidnap or runs away with the Spartan Queen Helen because he fell in love with her. (It varies on the version and she was forced into her previous marriage at about 13 anyway, so Helen leaving willingly for the guy who the gods deem is the most attractive man alive is a popular modern reading.) It would have been so easy for the Trojans to yeet Helen back to Greece, but they don’t and Hector’s defense of her and his brother is a big reason why. Hector even chastises his brother for the mess he’s caused, but still stands by him and defends him. He also defends the hell out of Helen and refuses to blame her for their problems. Then in Troilus and Criseyde (Basically published Iliad perspective shift fanfiction with OCs) he defends the hell out of Criseyde when even Troilus, (apparently one of the 50 brothers) the person who claims to be in love with her, wont. Hector’s truly an all around good guy, great leader and has a very distinctive and personal moral compass that doesn’t always align with what’s being told to him is right. You want a character representation for someone who led the sides despite their clear struggles? Someone with Roman’s charm and heroism, and Remus’ understanding and drive? Hector is probably it.

3. Hector’s death is both a huge symbol for the end of Troy, but also isn’t? Let me explain, narratively speaking, Hector’s death is the point you know that Troy is basically doomed. His end is the representation of the end of it all. His corpse was literally paraded around as Achilles’s dragged it on the back of a chariot for days to show their doom. There was a distinct “aura” shift from Hector’s death as all of Troy mourned his death. We as an audience know Troy is basically doomed from Hector’s death alone. Hector was a person that even the enemy Greeks hella respected as a warrior and leader. Essentially, this was the point that the war that had been raging for about a decade became serious. At the same time, it just simply isn’t the end of the war. There’s the whole horse thing still to come and all that jazz. Still though, Hector’s death is very much a symbol of “everything changes, but nothing does.” Which is the perfect symbol for the twins split to me. Just because they split doesn’t mean that all of the sides did immediately, yet it was still probably the turning point that drove a wedge between the “dark” and “light” sides.

4. The character Hector arguably died in the name of gay love. Okay, story time. So in the Iliad, Achilles is being a little bitch and refusing to fight anymore because drama between him and the king of Athens, but he’s their best fighter and the Greek’s are basically sorta loosing because of him not helping. His boyf- I mean best friend Patroclus goes out in Achilles armor and leads his army in his place because Achilles is a whiny baby. Except Hector kinda immediately kills Patroclus, thinking he’s Achilles with reinforcements.(This was full body armor baby and distinctive cause baby of a god and all that mocha frappe.) Of course, Achilles has to immediately get angry revenge for his boyf- BEST friend and ends up killing Hector. This would make the character Hector a great metaphor for Creativity if his split had anything to do with sexuality or even acceptance as a whole. (Though we know acceptance is definitely a part of it considering Remus.) We know that Remus wants c!Thomas to explore darker themes and the struggle of sexuality and acceptance could be a possibility in what is to come as a previously “off-limits” theme.

5. A big one is that the destruction of Troy is what eventually brought about the creation of Rome. Essentially Troy would be the metaphor of c!Thomas’ existence/mentality before the sides split into dark/light factions. Then Rome would be the metaphor of c!Thomas’ existence/mentality after the sides split into factions.

6.Finally, the name Hector literally means “to restrain” which would work well for Creativity as he was likely trying to reign in the others from infighting (and you can see how well that went with him being gone). 

Cheers to another rant into the void. Huzzah! God this is nearly as long as some of my seminar papers. Do what you will with this information.

Please keep in mind that I adore Roman as a character. This post isn’t meant to hate on him. It’s meant to bring awareness of the layers of his character. Every Prince Charming was a villain to someone, every hero that slays the beast is a murderer from a different light. 

I don’t bring these things to light to cause pain, I bring them to light to help bring awareness of what’s probably going through his head.

(Yes, in regards to the Creativity being made first thing, I DO even have a theory about existence order, I promise you I have theories about everything. My mind does not stop with this crap. I have theories on everything from what animal association Roman and Logan have to Virgil’s key role in Roman’s backstory. I’ve ranted about a bunch of these things to a few specific people so if you ever want me to go on a rant about anything in particular let me know. I didn’t expect anyone to actually look at the other theory post tbh. Inbox me if you want me to go to unnecessary lengths on something else.)

(Also, correct me on the Patton thing if I’m wrong. I took notes on a recent watch through, but I wasn’t specifically looking for his rejection sooo, if there are other moments of it you can find that didn’t jump out at me I totally accept criticism.)

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Here sre some of my Sanders Sides theories. Long post btw so yee

Roman and Remus were originally one all-encompassing creativity, then they split and become the two different sides of creativity, or the "Creativitwins". Their names seem to follow a theme: Ancient Rome, specifically the legend surrounding the creation/beginning of Rome. I think that the original creativity's name was Romulus. Here's why: Remus killed Romulus over a land dispute and then started the city of Rome in his brother's name. Citizens of Rome are called Romans. Though it could be argued that Thomas's moral sense as a concept, not necessarily Patton, separated the two, thus "killing" the original creativity.

Patton may have suffered from anxiety and could have created Virgil as a way to relieve some of his stress, therefore making him Virgil's "dad" in a sense, in Patton's mind warranting him calling Virgil "kiddo" all the time.

We all know that Patton is allergic to cats, but what about the others? What are their weaknesses? My speculations are that Virgil is iron deficient, as he doesn't like to rise up because it makes him dizzy, he is also described by Roman to be the "fairest of them all" and then admitting it was a pale joke in Virgil's expense. Roman is lactose intolerant, as when Patton is feeding him cream of broccoli soup, Logan says that it will "upset Princey's stomach". Logan is OCD: Always planning and organizing things. He gets upset when things don't go exactly as he plans it. He also feels the need to always be right and to make sure everyone else is kept in line. Also: Patton seems to suffer from depression. Oftentimes depressed people crack jokes and give people the general idea that they are happy. They also try to make other people happy. Patton also sometimes gets into these sad funks and even says "I had this problem where I'd hide my less than awesome feelings, so when I would feel like sobbing I'd just smile and crack jokes. I thought that was coping, only joking, never showing sadness, hoping it would just go away".

The thumbnail for "Putting Others First - Selfishness v. Selflessness Redux" has a character selection screen telling the viewer to "select a side", but one thing I noticed is that there is a blank box, indicating a locked character or a character who hasn't been revealed yet. Another thing I noticed is that the sides have a rainbow theme going on. Thomas even says that he is "full rainbow all the time" as an allusion to his sexuality, and possibly even the sides in general. Roman is red, there is no known orange side, Janus is yellow, Remus is green, Patton is light blue, Logan is indigo, and Virgil is violet/purple. Red is the color of physical strength, power, confidence, and passion, which suits Roman's personality. Yellow can be happiness and joy, but also directly means cowardice and deceit, which is self explanatory. Green is a color of healing, life, and vitality, but the flip side being greed, jealousy, pessimism, and superficially. Blue is the color of trust, loyalty, faith, wisdom, truth, patience, and understanding, which sums Patton up pretty well. Indigo resembles wisdom, integrity, fairness, impartiality, and justice, which is all right up Logan's alley. Violet is the color of ambition, dignity, devotion, pride, mystery, independence, magic, being cynical, and mourning, which all makes sense in Virgil's case. Now to orange, which resembles joy, sunshine, risk taking, adventure, enthusiasm, creativity, attraction, success, rudeness, frivolity, and untrustworthiness, which is a balance of traits that both Roman and Remus have and directly resembles creativity, so orange could be a fusion of Roman and Remus, the original creativity before they split. Another possibility for the next side is someone who resembles ethos, as we have pathos and logos (Patton and Logan).

All the sides have an ancient Rome theme going on. Roman and Remus, after the legend surrounding the beginning of Rome. Virgil, after the Roman poet Publius Vergilius Maro, who is often called Virgil. Janus (formerly known as Deceit) after the Roman god of the same name (Janus is the god of new beginnings and transitions, often depicted with two faces facing in opposite directions, one for the past and one for the future). All of the sides except for Patton and Logan, whose names are derived from pathos and logos, an ancient Greek concept proposed by Aristotle. And have you noticed that they mirror each other in almost every way, suggesting that, much like Roman and Remus, they are brothers, possibly even twins?

Dukes tend to not be a part of the royal family, but if so they are princes who have gotten married. Does this mean that Remus is married?!?!? If so to whoooo?

Welcome to me overthinking things again! What if Roman has control over the other sides? Like he's creativity and the sides are figments of Thomas' imagination, so like what if one day he was just done with Logan's nonstop fact train he just (this is extreme) went: "Fuck you, Logan, you're dead now" and Logan straight up dies? Like where would his power end if he could do that? Overthinking things can be scary kids, let me do it for you.

If you overthink it: Patton basically just was like "Nah" in POF SvSR. So he said in SvS that going to the wedding would make Thomas feel good, something that he basically controls because he is Thomas' moral sense and at the center of most of his feelings. Basically Thomas went to the wedding and Patton was like: "This is nice and all and you did the right thing, but uhmmm about those happy feelings. No." And then got all sorts of frustrated about being wrong. So yee. I am just doing the overthinking things thing again.

What if creativity split solely as a big "Fuck you, Logan"? Like I just imagine: C: "Hey Logan, I'm performing mitosis"

L: "Yes, your cells- *he looks up* Whaaaaa?"

R&R: "Cha cha real smooth, Logan"

And thus the twins were "born"

Logan thinks feelings are bad and claims to not have feelings, even though he clearly does (cough, cough, Crofters the Musical? Getting angry in some episodes? Logan, you're a bad liar, bud). So he bottles up most of his feelings, for all practical purposes making him a ticking time bomb. Something's probably going to happen and he won't be able to hold it all in and he'll have an emotional breakdown of sorts. Another thing is he will not duck out. He knows he's too important to Thomas' mental wellbeing for that. He is also getting progressively more angry as the others listen to him less, so he's probably going to overwork himself trying to get everyone to listen to the point where he physically can't be there for Thomas. Cuz like I suspect Logan leaving would have the same effect as Thomas having a massive stroke: The right side of his body wouldn't work, he wouldn't be able to talk/communicate, and his reasoning skills would be gone.

Janus just loves philosophy. Every episode in the main timeline, he makes references to famous philosophers to get his point across.

Patton is always the first of the light sides to accept the dark sides. First with Virgil and then with Janus. He may be taking them in as his troubled but lovable children who he will defend under almost any circumstance.

Virgil's name is not Virgil. People think his full name is Virgilius, though Thomas and Joan have previously stated that it isn’t. Bc of that, some people have theorized that Virgil was lying about his name, or that when he moved to the “light sides” he changed/used a different name, and maybe they’re going to reveal that sometime. Like the scene with Remus and Vee where Re goes, “I would never hide anything from you” looks pointedly at Virgil, and you assume it’s bc he took forever to tell Thomas, but what if it’s bc he was lying about his name from the moment he told Thomas??? And also the moment when Janus says "It takes a liar to know a liar" and Virgil says "Don't" and the response was "What? I'm only talking about your name" I think his name could be Acanthus

Ya know, Patton probably has an indirect role in how the other sides look. Not like "But you're anxiety, you wear the hoodie" but closer to Thomas beliefs of stuff like lying is bad and the fact that Janus often plays devils advocate, so he has a snake face

Random thoughts:

Virgil has the most ace/demi aesthetic and I love that

SvS: Multi part episode, "bad/evil/dark" side gets accepted, the FEELS, angst. Hmmm…

The twins getting along and just like sitting at a table causing minor chaos.

Patton randomly hugs everyone. He just does.

Janus and Patton: animal bros