assuming you've read tsc, what are ur thoughts?
mixed feelings, anon!
on the one hand, tsc is just another confirmation that nora is a talented writer - i think the dialogue especially is where she really excels. the reading experience was overall very fun, i did enjoy seeing my faves again. neil is an icon, obviously. the culture clash between jean and the trojans was Comedy Gold. and it was interesting to see an exploration of a different trauma response than we've seen in aftg in jean.
on the other hand, i feel like jean's story in tsc mirrors neil's story in aftg - a troubled youth joins an exy team where he will make new friends and get better mentally - but is like. a simplified and less compelling version of that. it's good that jean is his own character, i don't need him to be a copy of neil, but i gotta say - neil's cameo appearances totally stole the show and made me wonder why i wasn't reading a book about him instead. however, it's all the other characters who were the real problem - it felt like i'm reading a version of aftg where a less fun iteration of neil joins an exy team consisting just of the upperclassmen and nicky hemmick which uhhh,, if you've read some of my old posts you know how i feel about him so there was no chance in hell i'd like cat alvarez and her whole shtick. the foxes felt good for the soul bc there was a balance between the upperclassmen's and the monsters' type of care for neil - and crucially neil chose the latter group to be his close circle, among other things, bc he felt they could understand him better. by constrast, jean is alone with the trojans who don't give any credibility to his claims that they just can't understand what he went through, don't respect his right to keep his trauma private and just keep trying to force his "recovery". aftg felt like a bunch of freaks with various but equally fascinating issues put in close quarters and you watch them sometimes butt heads, sometimes uplift each other in the most unexpected ways. tsc however felt like a bunch of normies bullying a traumatized kid - so basically one of those obnoxious fics where the upperclassmen are all in neil and andrew's business.
jean's bisexuality was a double-edged sword too: on the one hand, i felt very smug reading about how his attraction works bc 1) it's so obviously different from neil and 2) wow turns out years of psychological, physical and sexual abuse do not in fact take away your sexuality! le gasp! surprised fucking pikachu!! crazy how through all of this jean is still bi. the human spirit is unbreakable. (unless your mom hits you for kissing a girl, then it's breakable). so i did feel vindicated but at the same time this was not relatable to the point that i can't see myself getting invested in jean and jeremy's developing relationship. nothing is more of a turn off for me in fictional romances than when both of them are immediately attracted to each other and let the reader know in no uncertain terms. where are the mind games? where are the intricate rituals? it feels like a lazy shortcut. but good for them, i guess?
sooo idk. i didn't hate tsc by any means but i'm sad i didn't enjoy it as much as my mutuals😭
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So while I’m an imodna enjoyer, I absolutely agree to the agree-est of agrees that the most interesting thing they could do is break up right now. I don’t think they will, but I would love to see it. My concern mostly comes down to how fandom would react to Marisha or Laura if they did. I enjoy them [the ship] for their codependency and inability to do anything without consistently ignoring their own emotions or comfort to do so. They should absolutely break up. It would be so good. So interesting, I think. I, again, just know fandom would not be normal about it especially when Marisha got so much shit just for saying that Beauregard wasn’t quite serious about Yasha yet, and that was before the ship even had a canon kiss. This? Would be hellfire and as much as id love it, I would literally never open the critical role tag ever again out of fear lol.
Hey anon,
I just deleted a somewhat similar ask and I do respect any choice people made to back away from fandom for their own personal well-being but ultimately...I don't care how the broader fandom responds. This shit pre-dates my entry into the fandom (people freaked out, apparently, when Gilmore's status was unknown in C1 when Hotis attacked Whitestone) and it's not exclusive to CR by any means (see: everything happening with the Good Omens fandom because the two main couples did engage with the various problems and communication issues and different desires they had). It's unavoidable, and honestly, it's kind of exhilarating to me. I am, as I say, a STEM bitch, and meta feels like a sort of logic problem, and a good way to piece together that logic is to find the holes in what others say. You need the bad opinions to be out there in order to best formulate the good ones.
Anyway: I'd rather have a good story than a docile fandom, and I'm posting that one block evader's alts mostly so that people who are more hurt by their statements can take precautions but they are ultimately on par with a disease-free mosquito to me: extremely annoying but not any kind of threat.
In the end, what I need to get on board with the ship is some kind of canon engagement with the core of it: that Imogen told Laudna repeatedly to her face "hey what if your murderer was right." I don't mind if that exploration comes in the form of a breakup, or a fight, or an honest and open mature conversation, or discussions with other party members, or leaning into the codependency; I just need there to be some stakes. Conflict would interest me, but it doesn't need to be a blow-up (though I really do think a breakup would be a new and incredibly good direction - there's a reason why Laerryn and Loquatius manage to have a trillion times the chemistry in a fraction of the time and it's the path from their introduction to their conclusion) - just the introduction of the idea that there is some line that would be crossed under some circumstances, or an exploration of the toxicity of having no such line. I think a lot of people feel the same! I don't think there's many people other than outright homophobes who think of Imodna as an absolute NOTP - it's just that a lot of us find it lacking, and it's a lack that can be addressed.
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Hot take I think ppl in the AVM fandom should stop going 'haha blues so addicted to netherwart it's so quirky loll XDD here's an au where eating netherwart makes blue act like a drunkard and heres fanfics where blues friends treat them like shit and physically assault them to get them to stop being addicted to netherwart bc that's so funny and cool hahaha!!!!' Bc it's lowkey kinda fucked up ngl.
Like as someone who's both dealt with addicts that are family members and has the brand of tism that makes me a VERY picky eater, I think that very few ppl in this fandom are mature enough to put addiction into your stories without spreading REALLY BAD rhetoric, even unintentionally.
Like, I get it it is the funny quirky thing that everyone jokes abt, but like. Addiction is a serious thing that shouldn't be trivialised, and you need to be very delicate when addressing it, even in fanworks. And sometimes a character just has a fucking favourite food they enjoy alot, it's not always that fucking deep. Like I'm sorry if this hurts your feelings but it's kinda scary to see how some ppl treat the subject of blue's supposed 'addiction' to netherwart, especially as someone who has loved ones who struggle with addiction who are already given shit from everyone for it.
If me saying this pisses you off I think you should think abt why it pisses you off before you come into my inbox to say that I should just let people have fun. Because I think that this is a genuine issue with alot of younger fans who genuinely don't know any better.
Basically, TLDR; if you're not gonna do the research on how to properly convey addiction and addiction recovery, do not make blue 'addicted' to netherwart as a part of your fanfic or as a funny joke comic. Because its genuinely not funny and you're unwittingly contributing to a stigma around ppl suffering from addictions.
It's like how you need to be careful with depicting chronic illness or other disorders that are demonized enough already. It's your responsibility to make sure that you aren't spreading harmful stuff around, not anyone else's. Do better.
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ok so.
clown is allowing nsfw now and folks are losing their goddamn minds over it (esp on twitter, on both sides) and ngl it's kinda making not want to draw normal non-au wh art at all due to how big of a deal everyone's making it imo... like some ppl being like weird abt the 'way the posts was typed' and borderline babying him? (ofc that was only some, not all)
idk! i kinda wished clown didn't make this announcement mostly becuz it no matter what/how it was done was gonna cause a lot of flames... from ppl who think they know clown fr, the weirdos that were already disregarding boundaries, some that just hate nsfw period... etc idk!! i wish fandoms weren't this volatile about things but it seems fandom/communities nowadays are destined to be???? (that maybe my shitty memory at play or nostalgia or w/e but i dont remember this much stress back then?????)
so... i'm just gonna keep my doodle to myself for a bit till things cool down again (or clown makes another statement or something idk) which is a shame cuz i had some silly ideas for the lil switcharoo thing with an anxious barnaby reprimanding wally for not practicing good body mechanics...
and will I draw/post nsfw? probably still no? idk, i never wanted to draw that type of stuff for wh to begin with and ofc to respect clown. but idk for sure :shrug:
ANYWAY! i'm rambling now i'm just gonna draw other stuff and enjoy my weekend
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