#1543

[dailysmilingnatsume]

[jeannepompadour]

Tomb of a woman from the Adelsheim family in Germany, 1543

[tudors1485-1603]

Henry VIII’s copy of Miles Coverdale’s translation of the books of Solomon with his annotations. British Library; C.25.b.4(1), f. 4v. Printed by Edward Whitchurch in c.1545 and formerly kept in the Upper Library at Westminster Palace.

In February 1542, Henry VIII’s fifth wife, Katherine Howard, was executed in the Tower of London. Details of her pre-marital relationship with Francis Dereham and alleged adulterous relationship with Thomas Culpepper, a gentleman of the Privy Chamber, had ultimately come to light, annihilating Henry VIII’s affections for her. Cast as an improper and unfaithful queen, she was deprived of her position and condemned to death. Her remains were laid to rest in the Chapel of St Peter ad Vincula where Henry’s second wife, Anne Boleyn, Katherine’s cousin and fellow beheaded queen, was also consigned to the grave.

In July 1543 Henry has married again. this time to the conscientious twice-married Katherine Parr. The inscriptions made by Henry in his copy of the translated books of Solomon date to the time of his final marriage. Here the text characterizes the ‘good’ and the ‘bad’ woman. On the bottom of the page in the margin, Henry has written ‘for wyfves’, drawing attention to the paragraph underlining the need for a husband and wife to not be ‘straungers’. ‘…be glad wyth the wyfe of thy youth’, the book instructs which may seem a strange thing for Henry to mark out given he was clearly not content with the majority of his initial marriages. But he concluded his union with Parr was only his second legitimate match and perceives it as a comfortable union that will last.

At the top of the page, Henry has bracketed various lines and written ‘bene’ – ‘good’ – on the edge. The lines refer to the arbitrary woman who has the ‘lyppes of a harlot’ but is absolute as ‘bytter as wormewode, & as sharpe as a two-edged sweard’. This woman ’regardeth not the path of lyfe’, but is concerned purely with her amusement and fraudulent paths. The text advises men to ‘kepe thy waye farre from her, and come not nye the dores of hyr house’. Was Henry supposing here of his former, dubious wife? The text provides a bewitching understanding of Henry’s decency, tarnished, as common, with a deep sense of dissembling and self-righteousness.

[my-chaos-radio]

Release: July 23, 2001

Lyrics:

Call my name

Call my name (call my name)

Call my name (call my name)

Close your eyes

Give me your hand, darling

Do you feel my heart beating?

Do you understand?

Do you feel the same?

Or am I only dreaming?

Is this burning an eternal flame?

I believe it's meant to be, darling (ooh-ooh-ooh)

I watch you when you are sleeping (ooh-ooh-ooh)

You belong with me

Do you feel the same? (Ah-ah-ah)

Or am I only dreaming?

Is this burning (burning), an eternal flame?

Say my name (ah-ah-ah-ah)

Sun shines through the rain (ah-ah-ah-ah)

Never life so lonely

And then come and ease the pain

I don't want to lose this feeling, oh (oh-oh-oh)

call my name

Call my name (call my name)

Call my name (call my name)

Say my name (say my name)

Sun shines through the rain

Never life so lonely

Then come and ease the pain

I don't want to lose this feeling, oh, oh

Close your eyes (ooh-ooh)

Give me your hand, darling (ooh-ooh)

Do you feel my heart beating? (Ooh-ooh)

Do you understand? (Ah-ah-ah)

Do you feel the same?

Am I only dreaming?

Or is this burning (burning), an eternal flame?

Close your eyes

Give me your hand, darling (ooh, yeah-yeah)

Do you feel my heart beating?

Do you understand?

Do you feel the same?

Or am I only dreaming? (Dreaming)

Or is this burning an eternal flame?

Songwriter:

Close your eyes (ooh-ooh)

Give me your hand, darling (give me your hands)

Do you feel my heart beating? (Ooh-ooh)

Do you understand? (Give me your hands)

Do you feel the same? (Ah-ah-ah)

Or am I only dreaming? (dreaming)

Or is this burning an eternal flame?

Susanna Lee Hoffs / Thomas F. Kelly / William E. Steinberg

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[wrongwarp]

[sweet-vanilla-sims]

Year 1543 Part 4:

Shortly after Agnes moved out following her wedding, Andrew returned home though he wished he had waited a while because then he wouldn’t have accidentally caught a glimpse of movement in the bushes that left little wonder when his brother and sister-in-law snuck out sheepishly when they realized they had been spotted. 

Aside from the awkward reunion, the two oldest brothers were overjoyed to see one another. Andrew said he would have spent more time in Windenburg but the house was getting crowded what with Francis marrying and having his own family in the home. Anthony understood since the house was uncomfortably full as usual. 

Thomas was glad to see his son returned but he knew that if he waited the young man would run off from town leaving his responsibilities behind so he arranged for his wedding to Dorothy immediately. Andrew had hardly the time to settle in back home when he married his wife. Though the festivities were dampened for Wren since she felt ill a lot recently.

Dorothy could tell her new husband didn’t necessarily want marriage but their families made it hard to argue against when they got them a house in town for them live in with their meager savings. 

[acrosscenturiesandgenerations]

▪︎ Portrait of a Young Woman.

Artist: Paris Bordone

Date: ca. 1543-1550

Medium: Oil on canvas

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[realcatalina]

Family portrait of Henry VIII

I know I promised you doing the pearl necklaces, but to do them correctly, I need detailed chronology of 1540-1560 portraits. Tbh, it might take months and certainly would not fit in single post to explain all of it. Hence I’ve decided that to instead give you little tidbits of what I found.

So here is why this portrait was NOT done in 1545.

It is located in Hampton Court and is part of  Royal Trust Collection, on their webpage dated as c.1545.

But other webpages instead give it c.1543-1547 dating. Why?

Well Edward is no baby in there, it is not by Holbein(who died in 1543) and Elizabeth and Mary are included-suggesting this portrait is to  mark their newly found place in Succession, which occured in July 1543. Hence the dating is stretched between 1543(succession change) and and 1547(Henry VIII’s death), and the middle of that estimate(middle value of that range) is used by Royal Collection trust.

1545 is middle value between 1543-1547. 

(If it was during Edward VI’s reign, Edward’d be much older, and probably in the centre of the painting instead of his father.)

 However most fans think that c.1545 means it is max 1 year away from 1545(1544-1546) or even strictly that year, just 1545.

But of course when professionals use this sort dating, theirs estimate(placing it in middle of assumed range) and mine won’t always match!

I am nitpicker. If there is any evidence as to where to that range portrait belongs to, I will find it. I will find evidence which will say-oh it is towards beginning of this range or towards end of this range. Or-i found no evidence of it meaning towards the ends of this range-so it probably is in middle of the range.(or i don’t know then). 

They assume it is after succesion was officially changed in July 1543. But I think it is actually likely to have been done before July 1543. 

(Henry VIII probably needed to get it through parliament first, but his intention for it could have arised much earlier. )

But still possibly that year-1543. Just different half of it. 

My estimate is 1542-1543(1st half of it) and there are several  reason why I think it way more likely: 

Number 1: Edward’s matching in fashionstyle his portraits done in 1542/1543 by Holbein:

Unfortunately only copies survive but give you good idea of fashion he wore around that age. There is surviving drawing by Holbein which was likely ment for another original(clasps are across chest) but face is just the same. Faces of little kids change so rapidly, so it should be him around same age.

And even if we stretched dating to max. Holbein could only paint and draw Edward up to November 1543, a month after Edward would turn 5. Still small kid.

Number 2: Size of both sisters and size of Edward

Mary was notably short. Elizabeth was on at least higher average. I am notably short myself. Do you know how many 12 year olds have outgrew me? More like which didn’t?’ Plenty of 10 year olds are my height, or already taller than me.

If Elizabeth was 12(c. 1545 dating), she and her sister should have much smaller height difference. 

If we assumed Mary was about 5′ tall as adult(based upon average height of Tudor woman being 5′2′’), then Elizabeth’s height would be around 4′4. She could be as young as eight years old in the painting. Hence 1541 even, but let’s look at rest of evidence.

If we put Edward next to his sisters:

Then he is around 3′8′’. So given he was on tall side, he should be around 5. Possibly even younger. (Depending also on how short was Mary, if she was bellow 5′0′’, he could be even younger, but probably max 4)

Bear in mind that reports of Edward being bellow average height probably come from beginning of his reign and he died aged only 15 and probably never reached his full potential height.

Number 3-Fashion

Fashion wise it also doesn’t fit Catherine of Parr’s time as Queen. Already in 1544 Mary I had undersleeves with 5 cuts style(5 visible cuts). Here we have the previous style(which in this case shows 4 cuts, but usually angle allows only for 3 to be visible). The wastelines also support ealry 1540s, max.1544, but probably not the later date because of how rounded their french hoods appear.  

There is also small gap in middle of the skirt, revealing too much of forefront(look at jane bellow).  Usually it is Elizabethean detail of fashion(and big mistake in Henrician fashion), but also very briefly appears in some of the early 1540s depictions(though i am not sure if it isn’t just one painter in Holbein’s workshop whose hand went bit off), and then it disappears from Tudor fashion and triangular shape is restored, probably under Parr’s influence. 

Number 4: Jane Seymour is depicted

Art historians are always like-oh, Henry VIII was so horrible for not including Catherine Parr(his supposedly then  Queen) and choosing mother of his son instead. He was obsessed with cult of Jane and mistreated Parr!

Now let’s not be biased as hell and let’s look at other more likely explanation.

The portrait was probably done in time when Henry VIII didn’t have a consort. So from all his past wives he chosen mother of his heir. It’s logical!

And that means, it’d have to be painted after Howard’s death, but before Henry VIII married Parr. (It cannot be between Jane’s death and Anne of Cleves arrival. Kids are not that small!)

Hence between February 1542 and July 1543.  It fits in every aspect. 

Mary would be 26-27, Elizabeth would be 8-9 and Edward 4-5 years old.

Being done before Holbein’s death could explain why his influence in the painting is so notable. Perhaps he overlooked design, but another painter eventually finished it. After all Holbein towards end of his career was overlooking entire workshop of artists.

 It’s possible he foucused on single portraits, while others did larger ones/group ones but admitably Holbein did Whitehall mural, so it doesn’t stand to strutiny. But it could be the case that Holbein became sick before portrait could be finished. Perhaps he did just sketches for the painting and another painter finished it. However if painting was 2nd half of 1543 it would not explain why would there be Jane instead of Parr.

But had it been done in 1st half of year 1543, it could still be without Parr. 

It is speculated Holbein could have died suddenly, perhaps of plague or some infectious disease, because one posthumous portrait of Queen Jane was abandoned in very last stage of making and never finished.

But we cannot exclude possibility that his health got progressively worse throughout 1542-1543 and that he was sick several times during those years, and the last illness just finished him off. (It happened a lot in those days,that not the first illness was what kill you. You still weren’t recovered and another illness lurked around the corner.)

Then of course somebody else in the workshop would pick up his work, perhaps still being adviced by him about it or him doing the original sketches for it.

It is likely that making date of portrait would be closer to July 1543, than to February 1542, because it’d make sense to comemorate the sucession change and because it’d better fit with Edward’s height.

Hence imo the portrait was done between 2nd half of 1542 and 1st half of 1543. Prior to succesion officially being changed and Henry VIII marrying Catherine Parr.

So the professional estimate 1543-1547 is not entirely wrong. It meets me in 1543, but they made assumption that it MUST BE after official change of succession.The evidence within the painting itself was overlooked and by many people! This is very well known painting, lots of people have seen it. Experts from all around. And they didn’t question what imo is a wrong assumption.

And that’s just one portrait whose wrong estimate throws us off. There could be many more.

[natequarter]

thinking about how humphrey's marriage was probably arranged during the later years of mary i's reign. how england would've been catholic at that point. how it might have seemed safe, maybe even liveable to sophie at the time. and then of course elizabeth i takes the throne and it all just collapses

[fideidefenswhore]

Was Elizabeth brought to court during the Pilgrimage of Graace?

assuming you mean elizabeth as in henry viii's daughter, yes?

yes, she was brought to windsor at the time. i believe the fear was that the rebels could take london, and that there was a possibility both, or either, mary and elizabeth could be kidnapped and ransomed from their dual residence/joint household to meet their demands (although the contemporary source cites a different motivation, i think that's the one that makes more sense, henry had experience seeking refuge in the tower with his mother during rebellions of his father's reign...then again, it could have had multiple motivations)

source:

Russel is among them, disguised, and sends information to the King, who is at Windsor, and has sent Cromwell here to raise a loan to test the Londoners, who are always suspected of being rebels. From the beginning of the insurrection, the King took from the city many people and furnished as many men with harness as possible, so as to weaken the town and strengthen his army and the Tower, which is his last refuge. To soften the temper of the people, he caused his two daughters Mesdames Marie and Isabeau (Elizabeth) to come thither

i don't think she was at court frequently, per say, but i am a little stunned by how many books claim she was 'never at court' during her father's reign? there was this one, she was present and given a role at her brother's christening the next year, she attended the reception of anne of cleves, she lived with edward at court in august 1543, and the summer of 1544...etc

[alexa-crowe]

at least i learned some german for this

[sweet-vanilla-sims]

Year 1543 Part 3:

Love continued to flourish when a wealthy nobleman, Leonard Mayne, went looking for a bride and found Elinor. Their wedding was quick because of how smitten Leonard was with her though whether Elinor was more in love with her husband or her new status as a nobleman’s wife was unclear. 

Back in Henford, Agnes officially turned eighteen and got married to Stephen making her officially Agnes Ember. Though the couple were still deeply in love, they decided to wait on more children the best they could ever since what happened with Amy. 

[joysmercer]

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I went the first year of my life without tomatoes and I honestly think that's tragic.