#CoE: Day 4

[searching-for-arcadia]

I thought of you with love today, but that is nothing new. I thought about you yesterday, and days before that too. I think of you in silence, I often speak your name. All I have are memories and a picture in a frame.

Author Unknown

[walkingnightmare]

you ever think about ianto telling jack that “(he’s) the worst monster of them all” in cyberwoman and how that probably stuck with him. no matter the change in their relationship, jack always has those words echoing in the back of his mind

[its-that-gay-fox]

hey here’s a reminder that ianto died thinking he was just a blip in jack’s life and that he was unimportant and unmemorable just in case you were having a good day

[meta-squash]

I'm reading the Children Of Earth scripts and man they had SUCH a cool parallel that they cut out of Children of Earth Day 4.

At the very beginning of the episode, when Clem is reacting to seeing Jack for the first time and points the gun at Jack, he says "You're in every nightmare I've ever had" and in the script Jack responds with "I'm sorry. If I could've taken your place, I would've done."

They cut Jack's line out of the scene, and instead just had Clem shoot him after he says "I'm sorry."

Later, when Ianto is dying in the Thames House, Ianto tells Jack he loves him and then grows too weak to keep his eyes open. Jack says "Stay with me! Stay with me, please!" and in the script, when Ianto opens his eyes again, Jack says "If I could swap places..." but doesn't finish the sentence.

I so wish they'd kept those parallel bits of dialogue in. Just two examples of the absolute futility of Jack's words when it comes to the consequences of his actions. Two examples of the way his immortality ruins both the lives of others around him and his own life. The complete inadequacy of apology and of useless offers of sacrifice, an 'if' that is completely impossible and whose sentiment can't really be considered a comfort.

[burtonsdoodles]

Children of Earth: Day FOUR Reflections... #6

No. SIX of my more lengthy points, which got shortened for my full list of thoughts after watching Day FOUR of CoE...

"An injury to one is an injury to all…" Now, I'll admit straight up, what I'm about to talk about is probably not what's actually happening in the scene, but the thought crossed my mind and it was funny to me, so here it is anyway…

So, the “very old, very wise friend”, who taught Jack the philosophy he tells the 456, is the Doctor, right?… well, I like to think Ianto's sharp, rather biting comment about it not mattering is actually a bit of a reflection of Ianto not liking the Doctor very much. (I know it's not. It’s more likely just one last bit of bickering for them, so we can hear some Ianto snark before y’kno: DEATH. Or more plainly, it's Ianto criticising Jack for using metaphors against an frickin’ alien!) Either way, I wanna talk about this other concept instead… 

I love the idea of Ianto having this deep disdain for the Doctor. Everyone else loves the dude, but Ianto? Ianto just associates the Doctor with utter disaster… FIRST, the Doctor was there at the battle of Canary Wharf, where Ianto lost everything, including (eventually) Lisa, the woman he loved. SECOND, the Doctor was the reason Jack then disappeared for months on end after Abberdon, Ianto had just gone through watching Jack seemingly being permanently dead, to then be very publicly and passionately kissed by the man on his miraculous return to life... to then be completely gone again when Ianto returns with the coffee. THIRD, he was the reason Jack ditched Gwen and Ianto again during the Stolen Earth crisis to go help the Doctor aboard the TARDIS…! Basically, if the Doctor is around, then Ianto is probably about to lose something he cares about. Therefore, it is my belief that Ianto has zero shits to give for Jacks infatuation with his beloved Doctor.

On a slightly separate note, I wish this were an idea that was actually explored in the show somehow, because I think it's a brilliant concept. Not only would it have been quite funny to see, but it genuinely could have been endearing or even a compelling source of conflict for Jack and Ianto to deal with - and you know my thoughts on the lack of Janto conflict.

But that's just one of my thoughts (admittedly, the most random and ridiculous of the thoughts that came to me after watching DAY FOUR). And I lied above - I actually cut this from the original list since there wasn't a quick way of shortening it, but I saw no reason not to still post it here anyway.

Only two more points to go, then I will be done with all my reflections from DAY FOUR... and I'll have no excuse not to watch that final episode of CoE… oh god.

LB :)

[captainjackscoat]

Happy Fifteen years to Torchwood: Children of Earth Day 4.

I miss you, Ianto.

[thirteens-pocket-watch]

Why do we never talk about how Big Finish released Serenity on the 10th anniversary of CoE Day 4?

[doctorwhoisadhd]

friend who has just finished s1 of torchwood was just talking about how jack is to ianto what the doctor is for jack. and they fucking said "and as someone who shipped jack/doctor i am trying to figure out how to make it not feel bad for ianto"

oh no bestie.......

[jubileepizza]

Somehow in all the horrors, I’d completely wiped from my memory the child in the tank with the 456. It’s so awful. I was like oh it’s so clever how they keep it a mystery what they do with the children but no, it’s just horrible and tragic and I can’t believe I’ve still got the end of the episode to come when I’m already near tears…..

[jackfromthefairytale]

I am three episodes in to good omens but I know it is going to emotionally wreck me

[filmjunky-99]

r e m e m b e r i n g

George Coe

10 May 1929 – 18 July 2015

⚘️

[pic: coe as durken, first contact, tng]

[that-smallinjured-bowylamb]

National Showdown!

Summary: Yes, the continuation where we left off with Vil crashing out. But first, let's look through your misery. With these white chocolate forms of singulars trying to be plural with you, the black chocolates arrive just in time to crash the oncoming-ungoing wedding plans from the whitewashed united students. And then, we'll look at our depressed betches that think they've almost lost a huzz. If you're asking me if I recovered this prev. No. I had to start over. I wanna kms 😭 anyway, they're not that bad, they're just

....some of the worst to hang out with..

The entire cast x reader (No, staff is platonic, I refuse to make romance with them. Crowley is my irl father fr‼️‼️) have reminders I finished this past my bedtime tmrw I might not post often, my bad g 🙏

Warning ⚠️:Amazing Grammer, crack fic (apparently bc I'm higher than my holy spirits, and will to live), OOC(?), depression but covered with humor, mc has no gender (bc it's you I'm talking abt), I will ALSO talk to you, RSA guys r kinda normal and not too overwhelming *looks at Wintergreen* SOME of them, Floyd is about to be sent to a psyche ward by Jade (man's going to tweak tf out if his brother keeps this up), mama leech mentioned, the Octavinelle dormitory is going through an episode, Rook is probably reciting sonnets in French of how he feels devastated and shi, Cater started the entire shitshow unintentionally (He said sorry over text btw), Idia planning to send Ortho over RSA and become the average American quiet kid that becomes a school-shooter, Kalim is silently panicking bc he thought you got kidnapped bc of him, Jamil is about to turn 91 for this in a Queen Elizabeth style, Silver went to a dream reality (he disconnected from TWST), Sebek is Sebeking, Ortho almost took your weave, Leona planned out a war against Wintergreen, Ruggie is concerningly fast and a bit hungry for smth idk what 4, Jack regrets going to this school, the first years are not handling it well, second years are unhinged, third years are about to commit a third degree murder, different timelines, the post getting too long might have to make another part for the 4th dorm all the way to 7th... srry.

<- Angel of Rewind🎀 or Angel of Journey🪽

A/n: Mentally note that, "COE" means "Crash-out episode" So, don't expect anyone to be taking this lightly (especially reader that got kidnapped), good luck bc there are annoying princes in the Academy... and my brain and fingers hurt more than using it in social skills help I'm so cooked.

COE1:THE NUKE AT THE ASS-CRACK OF DAWN 💋

At the tower where the reader resides in...

Take me to the king.

Imagine, sitting on your rusty-ass bed, doom-scrolling. Then, after talking with your friends on the phone and laughing with them and whatnot, you wanted to sleep, right? Normally, being the Ramshackle Prefect isn't just being a Prefect like the rest are, no. You're dealing with NRC, sweetie. This ain't Candy Land. So, of course you were tired after everything you had to do through out the day (depressed readers w no motivation I'm srry you did work 😔), flopped on the bed and slept.

..."..ess.."

Huh?

..."...ncess, princess?" Some man was calling out for you? Or for whom? Who tf is this guy talking to?

Then you regretted every single decision the moment you opened your eyes. Where in the heavenly fathers' are you?

And of course, getting back to all of your five senses that are miraculously intact, you knew you weren't hallucinating again, (just like how you delude yourself into marrying fictional characters 💘) it was real. But exhausting, so no your clothes were changed and yes, they were not shabby or ripped or whatever Crowley gave you anyway. No, men did not touch you (phew), but the female nurse (phew, that girl 😍) dressed you in silks because she thought you'd get comfy in it. She was so beautiful. Tall, fair-skinned, majestic, long flowy hair, those gorgeous eyelashes, she's so beautiful to the point where- "Are you alright?" You forgot a guy was there, sorry not sorry.

Some guy was just staring at you with a worried face. "Ah, my apologies - ' you should be. ' - The names prince Evan Wintergreen, but, you can call me Evan! Welcome to Royal Swords Academy!" The boy beamed with a blinding light, like anyone could care about that.

And now, cue to you being dragged into a unwilling tour with a tour guide showing you around a very peaceful jungle, you were met with seven dormheads (and you might have an inkling of what's about to go down in the future)

One was Allen, a bit ditzy but still mature in a way, maybe emotionally? Oh, well. But he greeted you warmly with open arms (<-either metaphorically or literally)

Second was Livre, a shy but reserved individual whose quite timid around you, he's actually one of your biggest fan of you when Cater first revealed you (book1), and he was a story writer, along with his brother, his opposite.

Third was Rielle (Wait...)

Fourth was some guy that heard about you from Kalim, Yasmin. (Idk I had to search up a name 😔)

Fifth was fucking Neige himself ("Hiii! I'm so glad your here!"...yeah)

Sixth was a Hercules wannabe

Seventh was the reincarnation of sleeping beauty (Aurora? Aurei? Idk I'm calling it Aurei)

So, yeah. Timeskip to you being shown around the school with seven tour guides in each cages, growing more unhinged than the last.

And, starting off with Allen. He is ditzy and and emotionally intelligent, you noted. He was welcoming in the dorm when you entered, it was a nice first meeting. There was an actual Tweedle-dee and Tweedle-doo, the blue caterpillar, the white hare(?), and Che'nya... Wait, Che'nya??? "Perrfect!~ yourr here!~" the grinning cat said. Then, spoke in riddles and no I'm not going to write this down bc I suck at them.

Next were the Tweedle-dee and Tweedle-doo, thing is, they remind you of someone, but, at the same time, they were much nicer in their first meeting with you. (Hear that Ace?)

You spoke with the blue caterpillar, maybe by coincidence or you were genuinely interested, the blue thing just smiles at you (yes, he is in a personified form, not in the actual caterpillar one)

You saw the white hare, running. Looking for something, or someone? Well, whoever it is, it must've been Allen, wandering off again. He spotted you, and waved shyly before running off to who fcking knows where.

All of a sudden you were at the tea party, don't ask how, though. That imaginary is up to you to decide. But, actually? You were kinda enjoying it. It was peaceful, no chaos, no trouble, just... enjoying [which tbh, after staying in NRC for so long, for me, it'd get boring and MAYBE might stir up some trouble]. Oh, but no time to relax, you've got plenty of dorms to go.

Next was Livre, a shy boy around you, you're not sure what caused this behavior, but whatever, it was kinda cute. (<- Those at NRC won't enjoy hearing this from you) and actually? Livre is real pretty. His natural brown hair tied to a up-do bun, and has side braids that ties around the bun.

Tbf, Livre was actually a big fan of you, ever since Cater posted the first photo of you (book1), and while he was waiting for his favorite magicammer [<-Cater] to post, got excited, checked his phone, all he saw was a beautiful person standing next to Cater with an awkward smile... that was you..

Lumiere was glowing, like a candlestick. [<-yes if you guessed], he was... uhm, flashy. Idk what to describe him it is literally 10pm and I'm writing this shit down at this hour- but anyway, he was nice to you, showed you around and his bedroom which actually looked cool. To be honest, you'd be jealous from how the chandelier looked like your dream chandelier bc like??? Dream houses>>>

So anyway, you meet Livre's brother Chris. The total opposite of babygirl. So, now your stuck here with the mix of Kalim energy but Sebek volume. So you were dealing with an exhausting combo that will for sure kill Jamil not once, not twice, but every breath this dude takes. He goes on and on about his unique magic and how cool it is and explaining some of the concepts to the point it actually breaks your mind process because, genuinely, you woke up in a outfit way too expensive to your liking, get dragged out by some chopped shyte, get introduced unwillingly to people you don't fucking know, now your here being shown like you're in a museum.

So moving on, to the 3rd dorm that is about to give you a headache (And Azul gets a telepathic migraine knowing that a bubble-headed red bitch is about to breath near you), the prince (whom you forgot the name of because MAN there's too many people here at once) was making some weird ass assumptions about you finally being "free" and how you needn't to "suffer" anymore. But, realistically speaking, yes, you WERE suffering, no your friends did not have a good start with you, no your friends had long stopped their tormenting simply because your precious to them now (doesn't mean they'll stop completely though), yes they all like you because you've done so much for them (and exhaust yourself to the point Jamil knocked you out to sleep), but maybe you did grown some Stockholm syndrome or smth. Cuz, now you're missing the drama, but you don't wanna be included, that is. So, imagine his shock when you said, "Yeah, but I wanna go back to NRC"... and this whitewashed version of Halloween looks at you then says, "You wish to go back to your cell? How come? Did those villains brainwashed you!? You shouldn't go back! You do not belong there at all! What if you get trapped in there once more, no one to save you? You, are a damsel in distress! The thought of making yourself suffer aches my heart!" Evan exclaimed dramatically. Emphasis on the Villains btw. Okay, ik so tired of these types of princes in fics and the reader is either like mad oblivious or just... idk not doing ANYTHING??? So, I'm tired of this "reader doesn't do shit to the prince that "saves" them bc they're too nice" man, if I were there I would've cried and full on crashed out until I was sent back to nrc and cause chaos. No bitch is safe from me. So, you know what you will do? You walk up to him, look at his dumb fucking face, subtly raise your hand, preparing a blow to the face. You know this world ain't gonna see the next sunrise if you were capable of making weaponry.

*SLAP*

The biggest, satisfying, bombastic slap you've ever given to a man. It was amazing, even more when you noticed a few gasping, chuckling, holding in laughter, or even downright cackling at the scene. The entitled moron got what he deserved. Man's just look shocked as if you shown him r34 arts.

"Anyway, let's continue this tour please!" You say in a haste. Cause' man, you want things to end RIGHT NOW. Your going to lose your shit if you keep staying here, the walls are whiter than the average American girl skin. It's like seeing their inside teeth bro.

Okay, next is Rielle. The red head Azul fr didn't like at all.

He was quite bubbly, and so curious of human customs, too. He shows you around, it was quite similar to Octavinelle but no Monstro Lounge or anything like that. Oh, and if your talking about lounging, yeah there's a lounge a chill Cafe I'd think...

There was Flounder, kinda reminds you of that fish from little mermaid, but it's inspired so what to do. So, your being shown by colorful skittles under the sea. (Maybe you'd understand why Azul hates them, and the Tweels ig🫶🫶) so imagine seeing colorful strings of whatever ducking corals those are, Flounder is not so discreetly looking at Rielle and at you (Rielle is making heart-eyes, so is Flounder but he can't rlly express it, not when his friend wants you) Flounder showing you a rlly cool fish you didn't know existed, your starting to kinda like this place instead of hating it, but there's no contracts to sign so what's there to dislike? Idk maybe a kinder version of Jade Leech. Thats scary.

So then in comes the said kind version, Sébastien. Holy, the literal cut-cloth of whoever tf that butler was from One hell of a butler. (I couldn't spell his last name), anyway, red hair, probably a crab or whoever tf that is. He was actually a decent butler (yes also Jade but he shady asf, let's admit it.) He kissed your backhand (the hand you used to slap Evan), guided you to a table and gave you free food and drinks without discount.

...

This, might be nice. You think you should stay for a littleee while... and indulge for a moment before the peace in this school erupts...

Housewarden 【And vice wardens if you think abt it】 meeting[<-take note their dorm members are also having a meeting too]...

Riddle looks red as fuck.

Leona looks disinterested even though his bitch-ass is right here in the meeting unusually on time.

Azul looks like he's about to have another mental breakdown

Kalim goes, "So, you're saying that they weren't assailants? They were just RSA students that took prefect?" Yes, please don't state the obvious.

Vil looked at him, giving the look of "teacher is about have a mental breakdown in front of class and tell their sob story, while the students hold back their laugh" thing. Yes, Kalim. He fucking told you, dumbass.

Oh, but Kalim knew. He's just playing dumb.

Idia still brought his tablet because the tension was way too high for his social standards (if he ever had one), and is probably just quiet... thinking about something. Ortho is analyzing every word his brother says to him. No, Ortho bby don't blow up the school.

Malleus is dead silent, first time invited and he's seeing these fuckers making sound with no words. His vice is in another meeting with other vices, so he gotta handle this himself like it's WWIII.

"How do we get them back?" "Can't we just go in and grab the herbivore? It's as simple as that, no need to worry about plans. We'll make sure it gets through their head." "Now, now, Leona-san. We can't just rush in recklessly, it's like driving a car with no directions of where to." "Can we actually plan something instead of arguing..." "..." "I think I might have a plan, but, I am not sure if the others will participate." "Oh? Pray tell, what do you have in mind, Malleus-san?"

Vice-housewardens and others...

Trey just gulped at the tension, but he's far off from calm.

Ruggie looked.. idk man, this guy looks like he's about to commit cannibalism bro, someone, save NRC rn 🙏🙏🙏.

Jade still smiled, musing because all this is happening for one student that wasn't even a student to begin with. But he's one speed dial away if he hears Floyd crashing something in the distance again. Might have to call momma Georgina Leech for this one.

Jamil looks like he's about to pass away from so much shit happening, someone, give him a break, he's begging, not on his knees, though.

Rook was making some off-handed sonnets ok how much he longed for you and wished you'd return home to the arms of where you once resided, and shit I can't keep up with this guy, but Rook appreciation is allowed so 💘💘💘 very nice Rook. Now sit the fuck down. We are not in a concert.

Lilia was smiling with a very ominous aura, felt like a dad suddenly stopped snoring, and you'd hope for him to sleep and go back to snoring before you get caught. Man, this is wayyy to exciting for him to hunt- play with these pretentious guys.

"Ah, so you need to tell me, the prefect got kidnapped? How so?" "I am not quite fully sure how they snuck into school grounds, but it is highly suspected it could be them. Even if we check, a specific username had already claimed the prefect had arrived there, more specifically, Neige." "So, Neige is... going to send photos of them in RSA, equivalent to how Cater introduces new students in the internet...?" "Somewhere like that, I guess." "...mhm..." "Ruggie, are you perhaps alright?" "...Yep, Totally! Just thinking." "Alright." "Ohhh! How it pains me, To be ripped away from my heart, mon trésor! If only I knew this would've happened, then I would've saved you sooner!-" "Okay, Rook. Sit back down please. We aren't doing a presentation right now..."

Do you know what the other residents feel?

Cater feels terrible, maybe he shouldn't have sent that photo. So, he went over to his contacts and messaged you,

Heyyy, sooo srry for posting that photo yeh? Anywayzz I rlly hope you forgive me !!! I promise I won't do it again without your permission !!

And on a serious note, I'm sorry if you hate me now.

Yeah, Cater might need a little break for a while... maybe he should delete that message... nvm it's seen already. How'd you get on so quick? [<- idk man you just did] this is why he shouldn't be so deeply connected with others if he knows they'll suddenly be ripped away from him.

Ace and Deuce had been trying to sneak in thrice. Not twice, thrice. They were trying to get you back but is blocked by those flashy, shining, walking materials. Eugh. Why must you ALWAYS bring attention wherever you go?? Ace is literally cursing them out, while Deuce is about to pull out the one punch.

Jack literally doesn't know what to do when he sees one of his upperclassmen planning devious shit but he's trying, also checking if your alright since your one day of disappearance. Like, bro it hasn't even been a day and they've already found out you've disappeared right into their local enemy's territory.

Floyd is genuinely crashing out. And inside Monstro Lounge he can't do shit. It's closed anyway due to a meeting Azul is going through, yet they have the audacity to steal Koebi-chan? [Name]? But, he should've expected it: having to choose a mate that has the tendency to attract bizarre trouble is amusing, but the fact it has ANYTHING to do with romance intervention? Fuck no. Those bitches get their own Koebi-chan! That's HIS (or his brother, if sharing) Koebi-chan to take! Momma Leech even agreed to meeting Koebi-chan one day! (And momma Leech will be so happy seeing her future in-law - son's bestie!

The Scarabia students are quiet and confused, like wtf is happening??? The school was bustling yesterday now there's a whole ass switch up, even KALIM had to go to an important meeting they refused to elaborate on. [<-these guys will catch up dw, Scarabia student B]

Epel was just ranting to Sebek on how annoying those bright baby-ficationed school was. That grown-up daycare lookin ass from the other side of the island looks realll bright. He hopes they like extensive brightness that helps them blow their minds away.

Ortho is just listening to his brother talking abt some... "plans" for RSA... I wonder what it is?

Diasomnia ain't looking too good either. If housewarden Draconia is infuriated, then for sure the rest of his students is down right horrifying, but Silver is in the middle of it. Sleeping, content. Disconnected from the inner war that's about to stir up between schools [<-until his dreams notify his reality by giving him nightmares of you getting kidnapped while he falls into the abyss, helpless], Sebek fucking screamed at anyone that does not match the vibe/mood state of his great waka-sama! Please stfu ima kms. But it's okay, it's Sebek 🫶🫶☹️.

The End.

Sorry if it was short lol. But enjoy this lovely picture of Jade escaping the cops whilst admiring the beautiful sunset that illuminates his pathway, so romantic right? It's not like he kidnapped you to meet his parents or anything. Haha! Never. That would be so out of pocket with him...

[wren-was-here]

thinking about how jack told ianto he loved him in outbreak and ianto told him not to and then ianto told jack he loved him in coe day 4 and jack told him not to and then jack told ianto he loved him in house of the dead and ianto told him not to and-

[its-that-gay-fox]

something i’ll never forget about coe day four is that all the political people who were watching the 405 saw ianto die and saw jack die. they saw that love and dedication and i bet they didn’t care. i bet they just saw pointless replaceable people die. not someone’s partner, or parent, or child. and that’s why they were willing to give up the children. they saw a way to stay on top, not the lives they were giving up.

[edennill-archived]

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🌫️ mithrim-noldo following

Yeah, Thingol kind of flew off the handle with banning Quenya and all that, but why on Arda are people now justifying the Kinslaying in response?? have some nuance and also, that's just plain horrible.

✨ btw-this-is-hopeless following

hope it's fine to copy your tags, mithrim, because they're great:

#I mean I know this is probably because they've taken part in the kinslaying themselves #but #can't you just admit you did wrong and move on? #in so far as it is possible because of course forgetting would be disrespectful and unwise #because the consequences are with us still #but it should be way more comfortable than being on your defences all the time #always ready to rationalize or deny #with a conscience you cannot silence

✴️ eightpointedstar83

I am tired of typing this out again and again but Alqualondë could have been averted had the teleri been less self-centred and readier to cooperate. Thingol is just another example of this attitude. But of course, please deny that the third clan is what it is and pin the blame on the people who saved everyone's skins.

We have done nothing wrong and yet our own people are turning on us. One day you will rue this.

Long live the house of Fëanor!

💝 heart-in-a-box

This is just the sort of behaviour OP was talking about.🤦‍♀️

🌫️ mithrim-noldo following

Admittedly, this seems to be a fanatical Fëanorian and more committed than the average apologist of his/her own actions - but yes.

#current events #thingol's quenya ban #my post

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🧝🏼‍♂️maglorfeanorion following

finished another canto of the noldolante today

🌖 hunters-moon

you have a tumblr account??!

🧝🏼‍♂️ maglorfeanorion following

do I know you?

🌖 hunters-moon

yes :)

🧝🏼‍♂️ maglorfeanorion following

wait - yeah, I do...

which of the twins are you?

🌖 hunters-moon

how did you know😮???

👨🏻‍🦰red-haired-twin

he looked through your blog, nitwit :)

🧝🏼‍♂️maglorfeanorion following

I guess I shouldn't be surprised to find you two out of all possible people on here...

so - which is which?

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🌸 a-flower-in-the-snow following

himring winters are horrible and I hate my parents for bringing me to middle-earth

#rant #children of exilse #i meant #children of exiles #coe

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🏞️ the-wide-earth-unexplored following

Y'all weren't joking when y'all said the Sirion is impressive...

(more photos under cut)

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#photography #nature photography #nature #sirion #falls of sirion

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🖼️ wonder-the-earth

is it still a secret city when everyone is talking about it?

👰🏼‍♀️ celebrin following

that's a good question

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👤 incessant-leaves following

It makes me sick to see all those positive nostalgic posts about the Mereth Aderthad. How pretty the pools of Ivrin were or weren't doesn't change the fact that THE NOLDOR WERE HIDING THE TRUTH ABOUT THE KINSLAYING THE WHOLE TIME. Yeah "everyone was kind" back then. You were feasting together with people whose cousins you had killed and have the audacity to complain they don't like you as much anymore. I don't care if you're a Sinda or a Noldo who "didn't take part in it" - if you say anything positive about it I'm blocking you.

#mereth aderthad #the truth about ivrin

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💎 lord-maedhros-is-the-true-king

Things they don't want you to know about Fëanaro:

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🏹 huntingprincess following

with all due respect, gondolin is the most boring place in the world.

🌼 golden-flower

it's not. but you're entitled to your opinion.

🌌 daughterofdoriath following

if only all debates on here were as civil...

👤 incessant-leaves

OP is a kinslayer apologist. Didn't you check that out before you started praising them?

🌌 daughterofdoriath following

*throws hands up*

I was admiring that one exchange.

(and this was actually more about @golden-flower's response than about OP)

*sighs*

#this site...

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[burtonsdoodles]

Children of Earth: Day FOUR Reflections... #3

The third one of my more lengthy points, which got shortened for my full list of thoughts after watching Day FOUR of CoE...

They finally introduced some CONFLICT to the mix! The discovery of what Jack did the last time the 456 came to Earth was perfect for establishing that little bit of tension between Jack and Ianto before it all ultimately ends in tragedy…

We never really got to see what happens when Jack and Ianto have a falling out in the show, and it's something I would have really liked to see with them. It happened all the time with Gwen and Rhys, even Tosh and Owen had moments, but with Jack and Ianto, there was nothing… the closest we get is in ADRIFT, but we don't stay on them to see any potential consequences. It's always interesting to see how emotionally connected characters handle not seeing eye-to-eye with each other on something. Seeing how they handle the friction without completely falling apart is what reinforces the strength of the bond. Also, I find it highly unlikely that they've never fallen out about anything - Jack is Jack after all, and Ianto can be pretty fierce when he wants to be… the Lisa situation shouldn't have been the only time there was clear conflict between them. There was plenty of opportunity in s2 for it to happen - and I actually think it was supposed to - but for whatever reason it just never materialised into anything, and, imo, it did have a negative effect on the relationships development. (I actually have a mammoth post in the works regarding this exact subject - I had to put it on hold after watching D4 to do these notes, but interestingly enough, there's a fair few thematic correlations between what I'm writing in that (a "theory" about s2) and what's happened in CoE.) 

Anyway, back to D4, I'm glad to see it did give that bit of conflict for them to (sort of) deal with - I mean, they don't really deal with it because Ianto dies in the same episode, but I'm still glad to see it get brought up. To see that it did affect Ianto in a way which could finally get him to acknowledge the realities of being in a relationship with Jack… not just realising the part where Jack will keep living well beyond Ianto's years, as he acknowledges in D3, but also the part where Jack has a vast history that, for his own reasons, he doesn't talk about. I've said it before, this is a truly fascinating relationship that naturally invokes a lot of questions that were ultimately never explored when they should have been in the show. So, while it is ridiculous that they left it until the last minute to actually bring up these necessary things (that should have been in s2!), I do feel satisfied that I got to see them portrayed even slightly in the show… especially because I know I can at least go listen to the audios to get the deeper emotional exploration I didn't get in the show.

Lastly, what’s so interesting about Ianto’s frustrations with Jack is that he’s not necessarily mad at Jack for sacrificing the kids back in ‘65; it’s the fact that Jack never told him about it that seemingly upsets him so. And I think that illustrates brilliantly just what made Ianto such a perfect partner for him, he didn't judge Jack for the choices he made.

Unlike Gwen, who is a much more emotionally reactive character and tends towards vocally criticising Jack's questionable choices, Ianto is much more objectively minded. It's what makes him so good at his job. He can separate himself from sentimentality enough to understand the bigger picture - it’s likely why he knew about Flat Holm when nobody else did. 

He comprehends that there is more to a decision than simply what’s right and what's wrong; there’s a wider array of variables to be considered. It's why he rarely questions Jack. In their line of work, sometimes you have to make the hard choice for the greater good of all. He understands that. He also understands how difficult that decision is to make. So, where you have Gwen judging Jack as cold and heartless for making such decisions, you also have Ianto seeing the strength it takes not to let the emotions distract from what needs to be done for the sake of the many. Ianto knows this because when he had to make the difficult but necessary decision to stop Lisa, he couldn't do it, and innocent people died because of it, because of him. He let his emotions compromise him, and instead of taking responsibility, more and more pain and destruction happened until Jack ultimately saved him from having to make the choice anymore. While everything Jack says and does throughout CYBERWOMAN comes across as harsh, ultimately it's all in the name of mercy. He's trying to save the world, his team and Ianto from the inevitability of more pain and destruction. 

From that point on, as Ianto comes to terms with that trauma and grows closer to Jack, he gains perspective and learns to respect Jack for the role he’s lumbered with. It's a horrible role to have, to be the one responsible for everyone, to be the one that's hated and blamed when someone isn't happy with the choice that's made. To be the one who has to live with every single one of those losses for the rest of time, because he has no choice but to go on living. Jack's life is so heavily burdened by it all, and for Ianto, the least he can do is be the one who supports Jack through it. So he does, and knowing the weight these decisions hold, he likely feels pride in the idea that Jack trusts and respects him enough to help bear that weight. Also, I think he likes knowing that he's helping Jack in some way. He's someone who longs to be wanted.

So cut to D4, and the realisation that Jack didn't tell him about such a thing, that there is probably so much more that Jacks never told him about, and suddenly Ianto's faced with the realisation that maybe he's not as much the supportive partner he'd liked to believe. That Jack cannot or will not truly trust him enough to help him bear the weight of his burdens, neither on a professional level nor on a personal one. So while Ianto may long to be wanted, ultimately, Jack longs to let it all go; he doesn't comprehend that that could actually be achieved by sharing it with someone willing to listen to him without judgment, someone like Ianto…

They're the answers to each other's desires, but in the end, they're both so stubborn and scared of commitment that they cannot truly trust each other to get what they both want. They are the perfect fit, but their flaws were always going to make them destined for tragedy. 

But that's just what I think of the situation, more thoughts will be coming soon...

Also, I just want to clarify here that while I do criticise s2 a lot in my notes, I don't actually hate it. This show has a strange way of having loads of issues that would usually piss me off and make me not want to watch something ever again, especially with shows nowerdays... but for some reason, with Torchwood, I don't actually care. Yes, I'll acknowledge them, critique them, theorise different reasons for them, but ultimately, the show and its characters fascinate me too much for those 'issues' to ever actually overshadow the fact that I really do love this show!! I'll just be thinking about something that happens in it, and then immediately need to watch it all again - that is quite the achievement and it deserves acknowledgement! 🫶🫶

LB :)