#Cyril discourse

[problematic-fodlan]

All your talk about Dedue being Dimitri’s slave and you’re forgetting about the actual child slave, Cyril. House Goneril owning slaves is never brought up again outside of Hilda and Cyril’s support, never once acknowledged by Claude, not even mentioned in Hopes where Holst became a more important character. His past as a slave is reduced to “some odd twists and turns” by FEH. It’s almost as if the writers have a very poor grasp on sensitive issues and shouldn’t be trusted to write them, especially when it comes to racism and genocide.

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[azure-clockwork]

I love three houses discourse because I'm pretty sure everyone just picks their route based on which house leader they're the most gay for and then tries to defend their pick by pointing out the other sides's war crimes via twitter memes. Reader, all four of them do substantial quantities of war crimes. So many. We're just here because the woman with Issues and a big fuck-off axe said so, and then we gotta justify everything she did in the name of dismantling the class system. I mean, I'm here for that, but you could also try justifying Charm Man uses poison and perfidy to try to stop racism, A Sad Little Meow Meow gives no quarter instead of doing therapy, or the Thicc Pope tries to bring back her mom via human experimentation, depending on your tastes

[emblemxeno]

Pros and cons of having a mostly uncontroversial fe3h character as one of your favs

Pros

You aren’t constantly attacked for liking this character

A lot of people will also probably like/be neutral about this character

The tags aren’t flooded with hate for this character

Cons

There is most likely not a lot of content for this character

Somehow, this character will be dragged into discourse for the more controversial characters to make the controversial character look better/worse

SO REAL...

From what I know this is most apparent with church faculty and the Golden Deer commoner trio, and I like Cyril and Leonie which has been a rough peace 😭

[randomnameless]

I remembered you said you didn't like cyril with lysithea as a pairing, but which is worse, lysithea or hilda?

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I don't think one is worse than the other but if you want my opinion on Cyril ships...

Uh... Hilda?

Wins this by a landslide?

The entire "Goneril House had slaves" subplot might have evaporated from the Fodlan devs, FEH remembered it lol

Sure, Hilda might not have been the one who had a slave, being it was her great Uncle Gildas or someone else... And it's kind of heartwarming to see her warm up to Cyril despite his Almyran origins because of all of his hardwork...

And yet, it makes me very uncomfortable, because you basically have someone, a young Noble Lady, whose house enslaves people, who basically tells a former slave from her own House, that she values him because he works so hard :/

Even if Uncle Gildas was the one who "hired" Cyril, it's, imo, pretty disturbing.

I much prefer an ending and resolution of Hilda's bias against Almyrans through Claude (where the slavery issue of House Goneril can be properly adressed) than... have Uncle Gildas attend to his former slave's wedding with his niece, hell, will new Almyran children be hired to attend to their needs or what?

All jokes aside, even if Cyril had been a slave to another house, I still think there's something really disturbing on how Cyril doesn't mean doing her tasks/chores because she's lazy - sure, Hilda has self confidence issues, but between doing something and being afraid of being judged for doing them well, and letting a former child slave do them for you.... I think one option is still way more preferable than the other.

Even if Hilda is not the kind of person (at least in FE16 lol) to enforce her role as... someone with a higher status than him, (something Cyril believes Claude would, and Claude's "stop being so cold to me don't you know who I am?" really sounds wrong) given Cyril's history with House Goneril, Hilda's lack of commitment to this particular issue when it's brought to her (blame Fodlan's writing I guess, or she really dgaf?)...

Yep, Hilda by a landslide.

As for Lys...

Blame it on CF being my first route, and Nopes slaughtering the Deers, but Lys is now the kind of person who can and will sell her friends, country and family to the person who ruined them, if it means she might have a better chance at life.

I think this mindset is completely... at odds with Cyril, who feels so grateful and indebted to Rhea that he is willing to offer his life (and to die for her) and even so, he feels like it will never be enough to repay her.

I don't have any Cyril ships - I much prefer him in a relationship (platonic, familial, whatever) where he can finally have friends and start living little by little, with people who finally care for him.

Even if he was completely shafted in Nopes, I got the feeling he and Rhea talked more, and maybe Rhea might, off-screen because Nopes, tell him to live his life without feeling tied to her? Given how she obviously angsts not once but twice about him dying for her sake in AG (when they run away from GM and when Cyril has an exploration dialogue explaining he cannot fight with Barney and pals because Rhea'd be upset if he died!) they might become closer and have the convo they have in FE16 (off-screen because Rhea cannot be on screen when it's not about Billy!) and ask him to stop living to repay a perceived debt, but live for himself now.

[wingsofhcpe]

Not to mention Cyril canonically tries his utmost to hide it from her. He doesn't want her to know. Which, if you've ever tried to keep a secret from someone you love/respect, is very realistic, and I can say from experience that no matter how much they love/pay attention to you, if you don't want them to find out they will likely not find out. It's that simple.

"Rhea not noticing that Cyril can't read is proof that she doesn't care for him enough to notice something so obvious" tell me you've never met an illiterate person without saying you've never met an illiterate person

[thetelesterion]

"Revered Hypatia, ornament of learning, stainless star of wise teaching, when I see thee and thy discourse I worship thee, looking on the starry house of the Virgin [Virgo]; for thy business is in heaven."

Palladas, Greek Anthology (XI.400)

Hypatia, born in Alexandria sometime between 350-370 CE, was a renowned scholar, mathematician, and philosopher in the Neoplatonic tradition. Her father, Theon of Alexandria, was likely the figure who nurtured her desire for learning and knowledge. She succeeded him as the head of his school, and went on to teach people from different walks of life-- polytheists, Christian, and everything in between. She taught anyone who entered her school with a longing to understand the complexities of the world around them.

Unfortunately, during this time, violence between the different religious groups of Alexandria was reaching a critical point. Riots broke out between Christians, Jews and polytheists, and Hypatia eventually became the target of many Christians, due to her associations with prominent officials of the city, such as Orestes, who was caught in a feud with the Christian Patriarch, Cyril.

Ultimately, in 415 CE, during Lent, a Christian mob pulled her out of her carriage as she was travelling, dragged her to a church, stripped her naked and hit her with roof tiles until she was torn to pieces. They then burned her body.

Blessed Hypatia, pray on behalf of all who face religous discrimination and violence.

(Painting is "Hypatia" by Scott Burdick, 2009)

[problematic-fodlan]

Cyril was accused of being mean as he was. They'd crucify him if he was actually mean.

felix could get vile, and had large amounts of fans defending him by saying "he tells it like it is."

Why? The irony is not lost on me for suggesting a reasoning that seems shallow, but I think that, at least, a factor that plays a huge role in this is the fact that Cyril is not a generically pretty white boi, while felix is.

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[marietheran-archived]

I do want to know what the results without Russian Orthodox would look like though. A cursory glance at the notes makes it seem like they're the ones vehemently against it and I really wonder how much of that is specifically Russian anti-"West" sentiment (in quotation marks because it's very difficult to define what people mean by "West" and I would often debate these definitions but never mind) rather than a particular religious idea.

[emblemxeno]

Cyril (a 14 year old with trauma): believes that he needs to work to prove himself worthy of living at Garreg Mach Monastery

Idiots: HE HAS TO WORK BECAUSE IF HE DOESNT HE WILL BE DEPORTED!!!

^actual thing I saw brain dead Twitter users saying

It's INSANE.

Like, since he was a kid in Almyra, he had to work to survive after losing his parents since the king wouldn't do shit about it. And he was enslaved and forced to work in House Goneril.

Working has been imbedded into his very idea of self worth and security. Cyril doesn't know a life without work. Day-to-day conversation makes him uncomfortable and standoffish because that's time he could be spending working. People offering to do his work for him or even just help him at all is, sounds to him as a threat to his being, his entire life. Why spend time learning how to read or asking people to teach him when 1) that's a flaw that people can use as an excuse to toss him out and 2) that's time spent not working?

It's why when Seteth asks and encourages him about finding purpose and happiness beyond working for Rhea at monastery, Cyril responds with dumbfounded confusion.

"You mean there's something to life outside of working for someone out of gratitude for taking me out of slavery? Hmm, sounds fake." I joke, but that's not even far off tbh. Children are extremely malleable to accepting a life that's severely lacking enrichment and full of maladaptive behaviors, just because hardship is all they know, and like you said, Cyril is only 14 at the start of the game. He lost his parents when he was 5, and was enslaved at 12, for at least an entire year. It takes a lot of fucking unlearning to help him see there's more to life than work.

And since Seteth is the only person who really tackles that aspect of him in a one to one conversation, it should be natural to assume he's truthful in saying that his sister, the archbishop whom he's known for centuries, would support Cyril finding life that isn't working at the behest of others, including her. No amount of bigoted NPCs in 3H or wierdos on Twitter would change the fact that Rhea would never allow Cyril to be removed.

[pandp-author]

As someone who likes Rhea, it feels as though I have to work with scraps and what the writers *tried* to do, rather than what they accomplished, which is not much.

One such example is her told but not shown relationship with Cyril--you could apply this to anyone she's close to but let's focus here. Rhea rescued Cyril from slavery from the Goneril's and gave him a home in Garreg Mach, showing Rhea's compassion and kindness for others, something she will do again for the survivors of Remire. To show his gratitude, Cyril decides to do odd jobs at Garreg Mach, something Rhea not only doesn't oppose, but enables, as she gives him tasks herself. We are meant to see this as Rhea humoring him, as whenever Cyril is tired because he's doing too much it's because he's giving himself more tasks to do. We can analyze *why* Cyril feels this way, but the issue here is that Rhea doesn't stop him.

We can explain away why, such as the fact that Rhea and Cyril don't have a support together that may explain their dynamic (its ups and downs) but the fact is that they don't even get monastery dialogue, or a cutscene or anything! Explaining that it's because of time constraints/budget or whatever doesn't take away the fact that Rhea looks as though she doesn't pay Cyril that much mind because she's never shown to reach out to him. Rhea's inaction says just as much as her actions. It's all told from Cyril's perspective and it's abundantly clear he's viewing her through rose tinted glasses.

On top of looking like Rhea doesn't mind that Cyril is overworking himself (which I'm certain it's not what the writers wanted to convey) She doesn't know he can't read. It doesn't matter that Cyril explains that he's been actively keeping it a secret to everyone (except Mercedes for some reason) It does not look good on Rhea (or Shamir or Byleth, for that matter) that he's gone long enough not knowing how to write and read and that Lysithea had to practically ambush him to get him to learn.

Cyril has potential, and he's not going to reach him because he's limiting himself, because of his attachment to Rhea. She should've told him that he can have a future, a life, outside of her and that "leaving" her behind wouldn't have made her mad or hurt in the slightest, she would've been happy for him. Instead, it's Seteth who has to step in and tell him as much, which doesn't help the image of the relationship between Rhea and Cyril.

And Rhea's problems with Cyril can be extrapolated to other aspects of her character. Rhea doesn't... seem to do much of anything. Which maybe was part of the point, I've said before that Rhea's real problem is her passivity, but that still can hurt her image as a sympathetic character, and she's meant to be one, Silver Snow saying as much.

It's like the second time I've said it but still it's funny how i regularly defend characters i have a negative opinion for. Namely Dimitri and Rhea.

I'll say this if the grievances i had with them didn't exist they actually would've been one of my favorite 3h characters.

[randomnameless]

I had a look at the Fire emblem three houses reddit and they are some people really not happy with both Cyril being in Houses and Dimitri winning the death battle and its getting pretty toxic. Then again this is reddit so it's not like that's news.b

Wasn't this death battle some wankery from spe that got way too much traction and pitted Dimitri against Guts ?

(why would they even fight ?? They're way too similar ! They'd rather try to support each other !)

Oddly enough, the 3h sub doesn't seem to be as salty as expected, even if

Things like these popped up, but they were downvoted fast !

(Granted, compared to the Feh sub more people on the 3h sub fall for the honorary GD uwu fallacy compared to "Cyril joins his mom", even if someone is really happy about it and wasn't "akshually'd" or downvoted to death.)

I guess some people (Khalidstans or maybe me lol) are bound to be unhappy with his voiced lines.

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[gengor]

Not to be too serious about discourse but I actually think you have fucked up severely if you think Rhea’s relationship with Cyril is good for him in any way.

[bowbowis]

If you teach a commoner to read, he might learn about things beyond his immediate experiences. If he learns about things beyond his immediate experiences, he might start thinking about them. If he starts thinking about things beyond his immediate experiences, he might find himself dissatisfied with the current state of affairs. If he is dissatisfied with the current state of affairs, he might start writing about it. If he starts writing about his dissatisfaction with the current state of affairs, he might share his ideas about how things could be better. If he starts sharing ideas about how things could be better, they might not align with your narrative. If they don't align with your narrative, people might start questioning your authority. If people start questioning your authority, they might rebel. If they rebel, they might win. If they win, you'll lose your position of power and influence. This is why you don't teach commoners to read.

Alright I need to rant.

So Cyril right? You know him, but probably not well. So how exactly did he end up in Rhea’s dragon claws?

Okay so Rhea rescued Cyril, right? Pretty good of her, right?

Why the fuck is she letting a 12 year old work for her? Almost all his lines are about work this, work that, Rhea that. Like, he’s a child. Someone get this child into childcare services or something. No offense to him, but he deserves better then working under the church.

Edit: I ALMOST FORGOT. HE CAN’T READ. Why isn’t Rhea teaching this poor kid to read wtf