#Entertainment Streaming

[the-name-i-want-was-taken]

The most important comment in this whole mess

[companyissuedbicpen]

Absolutely AMAZING response by Watcher imo.

They acknowledged that they made a mistake, made the wider context more clear, and addressed basically all of the criticisms brought forward by the community as far as I know.

Anyone who already subscribed to the streaming service who no longer wants it gets a refund.

Patrons get a free subscription to the streaming service.

The service now only offers early, ad-free episodes that will still be released on YouTube.

They acknowledged the insensitivity of the original pitch and how the price is not something that everyone can afford.

THIS is how you respond to backlash, especially this widespread. Take time to collect your thoughts, take the criticism into account, and change your actions going forward.

Great job Watcher 👏

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[cbrownjc]

I hope this is true. Because it would just be so in line with deciding to be so cartoonishly evil in public right before SAG was set to go on strike as well. A union that really has the power to shut down the whole industry and make them lose astronomical amounts of money per day.

All that Deadline article probably did was make SAG more emboldened to get everything they're asking for and not extend the deadline again.

[sparticus2000art]

Here’s the bad sanses as team rocket (with nightmare as Giovanni)

It was originally going to be a bit of a shit post but I got a little too into it

Based on a joke from a cjdoesva stream

Nightmare by jokublog

Killer by rahafwabas

Dust by ask dusttale

Horror by sour apple studios

Cross by jakei

[kilogramoftears]

shout out to the people who are about to start saving and archiving every watcher video in light of the news

[winged-fool]

Oof imagine hyping up this big announcement all week only for everyone to react by saying it's the worst idea ever. A swing and a miss, my guys.

[multitv]

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[b4kuch1n]

polymer broadcast signal hijack

[starryfictionalgirl]

Watcher announcing they’re leaving YouTube and putting all their new content behind a paywall via a new streaming service in a nutshell:

[if-we-are-free-tell-me-why]

Do you know how much media has been produced in the last decade? This really was the era of overstimulation where you never really could watch all the stuff there was.

So when people complain that TV will be bad now, so? Go back and watch all the stuff that's just rotting on streaming platforms it's not like it's 2007 and linear TV is your only option.

But most importantly just support the strike so that the people who make all the stuff you like can keep making it :)

[je-mappelle-el]

Well if anyone needs a new paranormal investigation show to watch, I offer you a suggestion. @/Detune on both twitch and youtube:

• streams investigations live

• does ~2 investigations a month, each one at least 5 hours long

• gets super solid evidence

• tries to debunk evidence as we go (to ensure quality and credibility)

• is respectful to both the location and the spirits themselves

• investigations have humorous and chaotic moments

• plenty of dashes of fear as well, for spice

• is super cool as a person

• has built a really kind community, you'll be safe in both yt and twitch livestream chats

• you can access the full, unedited investigations on twitch until the vod "expires" and on yt forever (older ones are under @/detuneVOD, new ones get uploaded to @/Detune under "paranormal detour vods" playlist)

• Julien Solomita was the most recent guest, if you're interested in seeing a 3'6" king hang out with ghosts

• will never completely paywall content

They (singular, Detune uses any pronouns) genuinely work so hard and put so much thought and consideration into how they go about these streams. I know it's not the same, but if you're craving ghosty content in the wake of this decision, Detune is definitely worth your time and attention.

Edit: also, another fun thing is that streams after the investigation are spent combing over the evidence together! And they purposely don't let ads run during investigation streams to avoid ruining viewer experience. The thought and consideration is there, through and through.

[companyissuedbicpen]

“That was a good apology, I’m glad they made changes” and “I’ve lost a lot of trust in them and that will be hard to repair” are statements that can coexist, and are both valid!

[lumiereswig]

I'm still seeing a lot of angry takes in the tags about how excessive Watcher's current costs are and how all fans really want, apparently, is "just shane and ryan sitting in a basement" back again. While I do think Watcher is probably spending over budget and that's a real issue, a lot of the takes I'm seeing show a fundamental misunderstanding of how video production works and where costs actually lie. So a few quick things that I just keep seeing that are bothering me:

It was never just Shane and Ryan in a basement. BFU did a great job selling that conceit and making sure you never saw anyone beyond them and maybe TJ, but they absolutely had other crew members with them on ghost hunts and they didn't do all the work on BFU themselves. This Q&A from Season 2 lists 36 people on staff for Buzzfeed Unsolved. It's fair to make arguments that Watcher may or may not need 25 people, but those arguments should not be coming from a place of "before it was just Shane and Ryan and nobody else."

If you don't know how many people are needed to make a professional video from a TV/film standpoint, you will not have a reasonable grasp of why Watcher wants to keep 25 people on staff. Sure, some YouTubers get by with a ring light and a contracted editor. The Watcher team have stated repeatedly that they do not want to work as just YouTubers and see themselves more as a production studio—so why do people keep referencing the YouTube model to understand their business? This is like asking the local shake shop why it doesn't function like the kids' lemonade stand down the block. The item category is similar but they're not trying for the same products or process.

The "gold dusted food" is not the big budget sink you think it is. On most TV shows I've worked on it's normal to partner with businesses that are shown onscreen and work out a deal where the price of the product (in this case the gold food) is reduced or eliminated in exchange for the free publicity. Watcher very likely made a deal with every restaurant it worked with to make the Korea trip affordable for the company. The real budget spends are on things you're probably not seeing but that still matter: camera and lighting equipment is expensive, insurance for that equipment is expensive, business overhead and paying your staff are expensive. So again—it's fine to critique Watcher for the streaming plan and the perceived budgetary issues, but go into this knowing the costs might not be coming from the things you see onscreen.

My source is that I work in TV and film and actually have a clue on how the industry functions. Again, 36 people worked on Unsolved (and those were the people mention in Season 2—who knows how big the team blew up past that in later seasons). Entertainment work is real work, and demands decent equipment, competent staff, and the same types of business and budget problems you'd find in any other business (overhead, staffing, etc.). Feel free to critique Watcher's business model, but first try to understand where that model is coming from and what goals it's attempting to serve.

[qtubbo]

It always irks me a bit how people try to pretend that Slime isn’t a bad guy, because to me that’s what makes him the most interesting. He’s not a good person, he’s messed up, he’ll hurt people without thinking, who Slime is as a character is this messed up ball of goop that can’t seem to stick right. He tried to hurt kids, he very intentionally tried to kill kids, he was neglectful and just wasn’t a good dad to Flippa. When Flippa died he pulled Mariana down with him, because when he’s hurting he lashes out brutually and he won’t backdown till he’s a sobbing pile on the floor. The thing that’s the most interesting about it is, that you feel for him, you feel bad, or just know why he’s like this, you understand how he got there, he’s a bad person but one easy to sympathizes with. (Semi-Context after this) It’s not mischaracterization for another character to point out worry about him hurting an egg, because they went through his messed up pile of spite, he’s not the evil but he really isn’t close to good. Charlie the cc is very intentional making characters because he has so much experience, Slime is not meant to be a good guy, but he is meant to be interesting.

[buddyhollyscurls]

I am I WAS a watcher patreon and I just got the email saying they're changing their teirs??? And now all the incentives are for their podcast????

Bro bye