#Fanon True Mandalorians

[evaarade]

New Mandalorians ARE the Canon Version of the True Mandalorians

Ok so, a long time coming but here's the gist:

I truly think that the New mandalorians are, to canon, what the True Mandalorians are to fanon.

Yes fanon, not Legends Canon because they aren't as good as people make them out to be in, you guess it, fanon.

Let's get on with it.

To start, let's established what I mean with Fanon True Mandalorians and Canon New Mandalorians.

New Mandalorians are show to:

Want to move on from their Imperialistic History

Not erasing any history (see: murals in the city) nor the language (see: the mando'a all over the city, in the Academy and Satine openly speaking it) nor even their warrior traditions (see: kids still knowing how to fight)

Seem to be the majority of the population, composed by a big mile by Non-Warrior AKA the majority of the population even before the civil war.

Are hated by the Death Watch

Are the middle ground

Want and Do focus on the non-warrior traditions and elite (after centuries of it being the focus on their sector), but not to the extreme of banning all warriors (see: The Mandalorian guard, the Protectors - who are lead by Fenn Rau) instead possibly asking the Warriors who Refused to back down to not start shit in return of having the least damaged planet/moon aka Concordia

Are trying to make Mandalore and it's people Better

Those outside of the Royal Guard and the police don't seem to wear armour, though those seem to not be the bounty hunting version of it and those who Don't wear it certainly seem to use clothes with the beskar heart - the Kar'ta Beskar - in them

Follow a more progressive type of government - out from the Warrior's Elite control and more into the non-warrior population (aka the majority of the population)

Don't seem to have problems calling non-warriors Mandalorians as long as they meet a certain criteria

The Fanon True Mandalorians, meanwhile (from what I could gather from fanfictions):

Warrior Focused but out of necessity because of the Civil War, but don't seem to want to focus All on the warriors

Are Hated by the Death Watch

Are the middle ground

Care about their culture

Don't seem interested in going imperialists

Are trying to make Mandalore and it's people Better

Wear Armour even outside of battle

Don't seem to be the majority of the population - fanon varies between them being a minority or being a big part of the population (or at least, the minority with the support of non-warriors)

Follow a more traditional Mandalorian Government

Don't seem to have problems calling non-warriors Mandalorians as long as they meet a certain criteria

From these, we can that they ARE similar, and if we go further into semi-canon (which is iffy but we are handling fanon while talking about canon, so I will allow it) we do know that the New Mandalorians and True Mandalorians were at least relatively neutral towards each other, imagine if the True Mandalorians were their fanon self? They would get along way better!

But that's not the point of this post, the point is to show how the New Mandalorians are the Canon Version of the True Mandalorians with a few tweaks - which I do think I already proved from the points alone.

Out of the 10 points I spoke about, 6 they immediately agree on (even if on the last points they need to have a conversation on what their mutual criteria would be), with the first and seventh point being an half point since they are in a civil war and seem to be part of warrior clans, and we were not shown any of the warrior clans in the New Mandalorians outside of Satine, a Pacifist that leads by example (hence not using her armour, especially because she might have trauma related to it), Korkie, a child that may very well not see the point to when everyone doesn't wear it + there is peace (maybe he only used it from traditional celebrations), and Almec, who doesn't wear the armour until there's a civil war again.

Either way, summed up it's 6 points out of 10 that they agree on, more than half.

The New Mandalorians could simply be the True Mandalorians but evolved post war, or, as I suggested in the start of the post, they ARE the Canon Version of the True Mandalorians.

Simply because they weren't wearing armour at all times or fighting or part of the War, people threw them under the bus as 'genocidal colonizers' (even though nothing in canon suggests otherwise, if anything it suggests the opposite).

Personal Thoughts: The Canon New Mandalorians and the Fanon True Mandalorians are a LOT more alike than people think and it's sad that all they can seem to write is 'New Mandalorians Bad, True Mandalorians the BEST EVER'.

[constantlymisspelled]

Houses in Mandalore - History

For our own benefit, and simply because there was no mention of them earlier, I am running under the assumption that Houses weren't just a retcon from Disney to give Mandalore's politics a more familiar structure, but because they actually didn't exist until Tarre Vizsla's time.

In fact, if we run off the assumption that Tarre Vizsla left for Mandalorian space to quell political upheaval, we can even assume Tarre themself invented them, or ordered their form as a form of anti-corruption, or to force larger Clan's to share resources with others.

If nothing else, this inclusion into Mandalorian History, and direct political effect outside of 'fancy laser sword' gives Tarre a genuine reason to be remembered by other Clans and Houses outside of Vizsla.

Additionally, much like the noble houses of England, and the redistribution of power from the upper class to the general populace, I am also running off the idea that these Houses have been limited to a certain amount to per sector, per Armourer, and per planet, so as to stop large Houses, such as Ordo, Fett or Vizsla, absolutely dominating politics, as Houses are listed as a political faction in all forms of media I have read.

I'm not sure I like Houses as a concept too much - they bring a more human feel to Mandalorians, and I would also like to point out that modern Mandalorians are rarely ever non-human.

Either way, this places Houses coming into affect around 700 to 1000 years before current events, maybe even slightly earlier. They are old, and they aren't traditional - by Mandalorian standards. Even the Mask of the Alor was lost before this time.

Furthermore, since then, Houses have faced extremes that they weren't built for, such as the Dral Haran, and the Mandalorian Civil War, of which I am utilising to have been continued by the existence of Houses as they were before Jaster's time. After all, the Civil War has been occurring for almost 100 years by the time of Manda'lor the Reformer. And the signs of the leader - the belief of the Houses, the Mask, and the Sword - have been lost ever since, meaning Jaster had to come to power the good old-fashioned way.

By being genuinely likable.

This leads to a Modern Mandalore where the Houses are afraid to back anything politically in fear of starting another war, or more conflict, with or without contest for the position of sole leader. And that of course, can then snowball further to the New Mandalorians, Death Watch, and then the Empire.

However, I'm writing the codex as it would have been in what I've come to consider Mandalore's Reforming Era - where cultural pride and identity is raising significantly, and without the existence of House Vizsla, Tor, and the Dark Sabre, Jaster would have been a shoe in for the position.

Alas, what could have been. That is why the Codex will have stipulations on what Houses can and cannot do.

[However, I hope this has given people more to play with, world building wise. If you have any thoughts or ideas, let me know! I'll get into individual histories of the Houses sometime down the track, but for now I'm focusing on the Codex, and structuring the politics around it. I'll add notes and addendums when necessary.]

[Click to go to Codex]

[phoenixyfriend]

Thought- in the terracotta warriors thing, you mentioned that the Jedi archeologists brought in a specialist in mando iconography to try and work out what’s going on with the 501sts symbols- what if that outside specialist is jaster mereel? Could be pre becoming the mand’alor, could be just his side job, but either way he spends a few years studying it all and getting used to being the only mando in a base camp full of Jedi, makes friends, has academic discussions and disagreements, steals someone’s holopad to try and use the link to the Jedi archives to read all the things on tarre visla, gets into an actual argument, reconciles with agreeing to help with a historical reenactment of a Jedi mandolorian war, gets Madame nu’s comm number, introduces his new son to his comm bff who argues historical nitpicks with him, brings jango to the next summer at the site, clones react to jango somehow and/or there’s a few tubies in there who look distractingly like jango and/or someone has their helmet off and jango has a breakdown over it looking like a family member? And so on and so on

Context: Sleeping Soldiers AU

See, I don't really subscribe to the "halfway to archaeologist!Jaster" fanon. I'm especially reticent to engage with the Jocasta ship, honestly.

But... okay, here's the thing. It does feel pretty incongruous with how I've written Jaster thus far. I can believe him having like. A 'classical' education. Not actually tutored like a noble, but that he sought out the same subjects as an adult to make sure he understood how to rule once he started having a proper political angle. He's a history nerd in the way that a particularly political/philosophical aristocrat of the 18th century would have been.

Military history, philosophical history, political and even some arts... but not actually in an archaeological sense.

(Also, it raises my hackles because it's one of those things that feels like it's heavily associated with the whole "True Mandos Were Best Mandos" crowd.)

It also really depends on the era! Tarre makes more sense than Jaster, just because of the timescale! The soldiers are millennia buried by the time Jaster is born! That said, even Tarre is a few millennia late but... makes more sense than Jaster.

Most likely, there are historians and archaeologists coming by every few centuries, as new generations encounter the issue, and older analyses are lost in the depths of the archives. Frequency tapers off after a few millennia, but... by the time Jaster is around?

It's 100% a New Mandalorian with an art history doctorate. (With a military symbolism specialty, in this case.)

It's probably not a New Mando if it's an Early On moment, but it probably is a New Mando if the Jedi start getting Weird Vibes and investigating the soldiers in the decades leading up to the Prequels.

Would the New Mandalorians know more than the traditionalists? Not necessarily. Would they know less? Actually, no.

I firmly believe that the New Mandalorians are taught about their histories in a "German kids learn about WWII atrocities, going on field trips to historic sites of said horrors, so their teachers can stress that they don't repeat the mistakes of the past" kind of way. I imagine the New Mandos would have plenty of research and records in regards to actual history, with plenty of museums and such. Part of maintaining pacifism is ensuring that the coming generations understand what led them to pacifism in the first place.

Is this thousands of years in the past, and thus difficult to research? Yes, but the traditionalists would have that same problem.

More of them, even. If the New Mandos have been around for seven hundred years, like Legends claims, then the traditionalists have probably have lost a lot of history through various battles and bombings, while the New Mandalorians, while not entirely escaping large scale destruction and such attacks, are much more likely to have protected and maintained their sites, simply by not courting war as a matter of culture. The traditionalists, meanwhile, would have had a much stronger emotional and cultural attachment to legends and themes, though I'll admit those are probably prone to revisionism, much like real-world folklore and mythology.

As @atagotiak put it:

Ehhhh. The traditionalists do care about legends and history and stuff. Often in an idealized way, sure. But you could argue that they’d have more reason than new mandos to be into these stories. Which, to be clear, isn’t like, saying that Jaster is definitely a part-time historian or anything like that. It’s just I don’t think one side would have an advantage over another. (edited)

So the New Mandos and Trad Mandos are probably on an even playing ground, insofar as skill and resources and knowledge go.

But by Jaster's time, the Jedi would have more reason to think the New Mandos would cooperate. No real downside to asking them when it comes to knowledge/skill, and an upside in terms of 'not getting shot when asking.'

As Tia said:

And even if we assume Jaster is a big history nerd and would be receptive to the Jedi (and tbh there’s even less indication of the latter) there’s no reason to think the Jedi would know that.

So yeah, when the soldiers start having Vibes And The Force Becomes Suspiciously Active on that level... New Mando archaeologist, definitely.

[short-wooloo]

I've seen a few posts about how mandos hate child endangerment...

Guys

That's fanon

There is no indication that mandalorians hate endangering children anymore than any other group, culture, individual or responsible/sensible parent

If anything the opposite might be true, in both canon and legends it seems that mandalorians (the warriors anyways) consider a certain amount of endangerment to be acceptable-if not tacitly encouraged-in child rearing

[gffa]

Everyone has my absolute sympathy for trying to sort this stuff out, because there is so much source material to sort through and so much of a game of Telephone being played (ie, one person says something they believe to be true, the next person picks it up as hard fact and repeats it as such, then the next person also believes it but adding a bit of their own assumptions to what the previous posts said, on and on until we get to where we are now in fandom) that it can be hard to sort it all out. My best advice is to just start paying attention to sources on things--like when someone posts a quote from Wild Space, I automatically think, okay, that's in the Legends continuity, because I've looked up which books are in which continuity enough to know that.  Once you start doing that often enough, you start naturally understanding what comes from what continuity. Like, for a specific example--the idea of Jedi aging out at 13, when someone posts about that, where does that come from?  It's always sourced back to the Jedi Apprentice books, so, okay, that's a Legends thing!  Can you think of any time that came up in the movies or in TCW?  If not, then it's not Lucas' continuity and it never happened there.  In fact, The Clone Wars (Ahsoka's 14 in the movie and said to be on the young side for being a Padawan) + Disney (the Dooku: Jedi Lost audiodrama has a 16 year old Initiate who will have to wait another year before trying to be a Padawan again) both show that's not part of those continuities. That's pretty much it, I just constantly go after the source, figure out where something is from, and if I can't find a source, it's probably Legends or fanon.  (Which is no shade!  People should do what they want!  But I do like knowing what's fanon and what's not.) For the Jedi stuff, I can definitely help you out--I have a Jedi reference project, which is a collection of citations from Lucas continuity + Disney continuity (if it's quoted from Lucas, the movies, or TCW s1-s6, then it's Lucas continuity, everything else is Disney on that list) and Part II has an intro section that lists the different continuities as I see them. But I would say the primary differences between Lucas/Disney and Legends Jedi are: (None of these are value judgements!  I have read so many good fics that mix and match all of these things and I hope people continue to do what makes them happy, re: what goes in which continuity!) - Aging out does not seem to exist, the AgriCorps do not exist in the same fashion if they exist in Disney canon. - While Bant and Siri have been recanonized, Garen and Reeft do not exist in Disney canon, nor does Feemor or Komari.  Rael Averross is Dooku's other Padawan in Disney continuity, he does not exist in Legends. - Male Cereans are not endangered, Ki-Adi-Mundi is not married in Lucas or Disney canon. - The post-ROTJ world is massively, massively different, like Luke married Mara Jade and they had a son, Ben Skywalker, Han and Leia had three children (Jacen & Jaina the twins, Anakin their youngest son), Luke trains more Jedi as adults, while in Lucas' views and in Disney, he trains younger students. - The clones are not Mandalorian, in Lucas canon and Disney canon, they consider Kamino their home and they've never spoken any Mando'a.  Honestly,  I'm not sure any Mando'a has ever been spoken in any of Disney's stuff?  (Also, Mando'a was heavily linked with Karen Traviss' writing and, given that she's a Trump supporter and anti-BLM irl, some people really don't want to touch her stuff.) - The Jedi meditation mantra of "there is no emotion, there is peace" is purely a supplementary canon thing, it started in an '80s roleplaying book for the OT, then made its way to PT Legends stuff, and is referenced in Disney's continuity, but it does not exist in Lucas' continuity at all.  Also the "emotion yet peace" version is a prequels era thing, a lot of people will say it's an "older version" of the Jedi Code, but the only time we see it is during the Clone Wars (from the Kanan comics' flashbacks). - Grey Jedi do not exist in Lucas Canon or Disney canon.  I’m not sure if they’re around in some form in Legends (a lot of wild stuff happened in Legends), but they seem to be actively impossible to have in these canons, given the story group’s commentary about how you cannot use the dark side without consequences.  You can’t be a Jedi and use the dark side, pretty much. Oh, no, I'm kind of stuttering to a stop on trying to think of more major differences between the continuities, because honestly I'm better at answering direct questions than trying to come up with something.  (And even then, if I can't write a 25k essay, I feel bad, like, "Is this enough??  Or am I FAILING  here??" because sometimes Star Wars just Does Not Give Us Answers.  orz)

[north-peach]

The level of wordbuilding I'm doing is killing me but sleep is for the weak!

What do y'all think of this?

A new word to refer to the New Mandalorians as!

Usually, in fanon you see Evvar'ade which, translated directly, means "new children". The same word 'ade' is used for "Mando'ade" as in, 'children of Mandalore', as in 'True Mandalorians'.

However, canonnically, the New Mandalorians regarded as 'the faithless' and I don't have a direct translation for that, so I decided to make my own version!

Behold, two versions, one more devastating than the other but both canonically true.

Naas'nare.

No actions vs not of (these) actions.

To be a Mandalorian, one must swear to the Resol'nare (the Six Actions or Tenets). There are gray areas involving children and family, but that's basically it.

Therefore the Naas'nade do not swear to the Resol'nare, and are therefore, not Mandalorians.

The second is a simple addition of a 't'.

Naast'nare.

Destroyer (of) actions.

Which is a fantastical name for a people who call themselves Mandalorians while trying so desperarely to destroy Mandalorian culture.

Mando'a is not spoken, no armor is worn, no weapons allowed, self defense is frowned upon and their leader is a Duke/Duchess, not a Mand'alor.

I haven't seen a single non-human New Mandalorian that didn't have some type of pale skin, light hair and light eyes.

Canonically they are also a government of caretakers installed by the Republic over the Mandalorian sector, on one of the few planets they didn't destroy in a preemptive strike.

Colonizers, trying to assimilate the culture of an almost conquered people is as nice as I'm going to get.

[moltengoldveins]

me: I am very politically neutral! I try my best to base my opinions on the canon word of God, (fanon Jesus doesn’t count) and nothing else! I’m very chill and while I believe in a lot of movements, I don’t have a lot of emotions about them. I’m very calm.

Techno H. Blade: The proper response to a government that cannot take its people’s wants and needs into account and forces its citizens to do things that are wrong is Firm and Demonstrative Force, aimed at the people who perpetuate said government. I am… not perfect at doing this, but I am Trying My Best, and I am supporting other people who believe this and have been harmed by the system as long as they don’t Immediately betray me. Also, the proper response to a government that executes people without reason or trial is IMMINENT DESTRUCTION RIGHT NOW.

True Mandalorians: Adopting children and integrating outside cultures is pog. Harming children and medics is wrong. Obeying your superiors is pog. Obeying them when you know they’re doing something wrong is Not Pog. Arming yourself to protect your family is pog, so is the use of deadly force when my or my family’s lives and well-being is on the line. Using said force during peacetime, or without thought, or for terrorism is NOT POG.

Me, vibrating slightly: so what you’re saying is property damage is ok in certain circumstances

Techno and the Mandalorians, both visibly concerned: um… I mean Maybe? Depends on a Lot of-

Me, standing outside a government building at 2am having just pulled the fire alarm so nobody’s trapped in there, holding a Molotov, standing over an u conscious Nazi: no time for that time sensitive question is or is not arson ok?

[thegreenlizard]

Generation swaps, role-reversals & remixes on the mission to Mandalore (I)

Master Obi-Wan Kenobi and a contingent of Jedi Knights are sent to Mandalore to deal with a threat to Duchess Satine Kryze from militant traditionalists who have been killing peaceful protesters.

(Obi-Wan’s Mandalore mission & Dooku’s Galidraan mission mashup; generation swaps/timeline smash/AU; gen, Obi-Wan/Jango or Obi-Wan/Jaster)

Master Obi-Wan Kenobi and a contingent of Jedi Knights are sent to Mandalore to deal with a threat to Duchess Satine Kryze from militant traditionalists who have been killing peaceful protesters.

Only when they get to Mandalore, it seems the situation is much more complicated than their mission brief indicates. The traditionalists are not a single faction, the evidence is contradictory, and the Duchess isn’t entirely blameless herself. And, not to put too fine a point on it, but his mission is starting to seem mightily like installing the Republic’s preferred candidate as the ruler of a sovereign system. What a mess.

Or: Instead of making their move on Galidraan, Death Watch—disguised as True Mandalorian super commandos—attack New Mandalorian civilians, causing the tentative talks between the True Mandalorian and New Mandalorian factions to break down and the New Mandalorians to call for aid from the Republic. The Republic has been interfering on Mandalore since the Excision, ensuring that the system stays in the control of pro-republic factions. In the recent years, the republic-backed Kalevalan government has been resulting to increasingly extremist policies to deal with the discontentment of the more traditional factions, provoking responses from both Death Watch, a violent terrorist organisation, and True Mandalorians, a moderate reform movement. Now, with the increasing violence from Death Watch and the growing support for True Mandalorians, the Duchess is in danger of losing control of the Mandalorian system, prompting an interference from the Republic via a Jedi task force.

Also:

- Jedi Master Obi-Wan Kenobi might be sent with his padawan (like the canon mission) or a contingent of knights (like Dooku’s mission to Galidraan). Alternatively, instead of leading the mission, Obi-Wan could be one of the Knights, arguing for investigation and against interfering with a sovereignty system, and eventually breaking off to do what he feels is right instead of following his orders.

- Master Kenobi might be the leader chosen for this mission, this time not for his formidable negotiation skills, but for his reputation as one of the finest swordsmen in the Order. He might or might not be (in)famous as the Sith Slayer in this universe as well.

- In this generation swap, the current leader of the True Mandalorians could be either Jaster or Jango. If it’s Jaster, Montross’s betrayal hasn’t happened yet and offers an opportunity for those shenanigans to happen in this story.

- The Republic interference on Mandalore. The Mandalorian Excision makes a good story, but politically, it makes more sense if the end game is not to just crush the Mandalorian threat, but also to install a pro-republic government that ensures peaceful relations in the future. And, well, you could see how the republic-installed government might not be well liked and might need continued support to stay in power.

- If you look at the canon policies of the New Mandalorians, you might see how some folks could have felt justified turning to terrorism. In canon, traditional factions were exiled to the moon Concordia where they were believed to have died out from infighting (tell me that wasn’t the goal or at least a positive outcome for the New Mandalorians). If you add other fanon/canon cultural genocide/ethnic cleansing aspects (outlawing important cultural traditions like wearing armour, citizenship being based on race not creed, Mando’a no longer spoken), you could also see how reactionary movements like Kyr’tsad or Haat Mando’ade might arise as a protest.

- Poor Master Kenobi is being pressured from all sides: he has his orders from the Republic which definitely did not include all pertinent information; his own forces are divided between following orders and investigating more; the New Mandalorians he’s been sent to support aren’t entirely blameless in the matter; Death Watch is a threat difficult to pin down, their members disappearing into the population and their financiers into shell companies and private Banking Clan accounts; both the Death Watch and the True Mandalorians see the Republic sending a troop of Jedi Knights as an act of aggression; and—if you want a pairing—the (son of the) leader of the True Mandalorians is entirely unfairly handsome and honourable.

- Personally, I wouldn’t mind Obi-Wan ending up with a Mandalorian’s vambrace on his arm. Perhaps he defeats the leader of Death Watch in single combat and wins the Darksaber. Unfortunately the Darksaber can’t be simply given, it must be won—and there’s no one on the planet capable of besting Master Kenobi with a lightsaber. The Mand’alor solves the problem by clapping his vambrace on the pretty Jetii’s arm (like he’s been wanting to do for a while). Master Kenobi, who’s been proscribed by the Republic and the Jedi Order for choosing to do the right thing instead of following his orders, accepts happily. Well, he’ll be happy once he gets over being kicked out from the Order he’s served faithfully for his entire life. The Mand’alor is happy to help.

- To be fair, after Obi-Wan helps the True Mandalorians, the Republic sees his actions as the leader of the Jedi mission helping to stage a coup and depose the legitimate ruler. The Jedi Order has no choice but to cut ties; the Republic wants him for questioning and trial; the Mandalorians refuse to hand him over. At that point, his only option is political asylum in Mandalorian space. The marriage is just a (politically both convenient and very inconvenient) bonus.

- With the concerning reports of the Jedi Shadows attached to Master Kenobi’s Jedi contingent, he might not be entirely cut off from the Jedi though… just officially cast out. I of course mean certain friendly Shadows (Vos or perhaps Feemor?) and the concerns about the Sith and/or Death Watch ties to certain republic worlds/organisation/politicians.

- Alternatively, you could ignore the Sith entirely and say this is an AU without the Sith and with dirty politicians of a more mundane variety.

- Bonus points for non-human Jaster, who’s perhaps disliked by some of the New Mandalorians for his species and/or opposes the New Mandalorian humanism from a personal as well as moral/political point of view.

[mrfandomwars]

The Hardships Of Being A Mandalorian Jedi: Part One - Resol'nare

Hello, it's me.

With another post about Mandalorians (and Jedi).

Sorry, couldn't help it XD

Anywho, back to what needs to be said about this post: I'm breaking down how Jedi, if they wanted to be Mando'ade or are mando'ade that were adopted into the Jedi Order (of which then consider something to think about when making ocs like that), would have a hard time with the rules that were put on the concept of 'mandalorian', both in the Six Actions (Resol'nare) from Legends and with the Way Of The Mandalore from (Disney) Canon.

This meta will be divided into 2 parts, the first part is this one and will focus on the Resol'nare (fair warning though, I Will use most of the Legends version of Mandalorian when talking about the Resol'nare, so no fanon) while the second part, found Here, will focus on Canon, specifically on The Way Of The Mandalore.

This part was a lot more certain - in terms of what the jedi would be able to do and what they can't do - than the second part, but only for a bit, honestly.

That said, let's start, shall we?

Resol'nare - Six Actions

What constituted the Six Actions, you may ask? Well, following "The Mandalorians: People and Culture" from Star Wars Insider 86, it's the following six rules:

This is the 'rules' to be a mandalorian that are followed by most mando fans, especially the older ones.

The Resol'nare was - outside of universe - created by Karen Traviss for her version of Mandalorians - of which are still very popular in the fandom, even though a good proportion of the said fans ignore a good part (for valid reason) of what she created.

Wearing Armour

Speaking Mando'a

Raising their child(ren) as Mandalorians

Defending themselves and their families

Contributing to the clan's welfare

Following a Mand'alor and rallying behind said leader if they call for arms

Sounds easy enough, right? Ehn, not so much if you are also a Jedi.

Why, you may ask? Let me break it down for you:

1. Wearing Armour -

This is one of the easy parts, anyone can wear armour - and, although I wasn't able to find a confirmation, it is said that a helmet issue in Chapter 20: The Foundling might have been simply how the mandalorains adapted to someone needs, just like we do in the real world. Meaning that armour could be adapted for Everyone

2. Speaking Mando'a -

Also super easy! And I'm sure there are variants or certain rules for Ithorians, who can't speak basic and have to use a translator

3. Raising their child(ren) as Mandalorians -

Oh boy! Now we get to the hard ones! Why, you may ask?

Because a Mando Jedi Would have Two Cultures that they would raise their kid by!

And while I'm sure it maybe wouldn't be an issue, the fact is: Mandalorians are known to forcefully change the name of kids they adopt (Kal Skirata, for an example of a victim even though his situation was portrayed positively because Karen Traviss Would Never show her mandos in anything that Wasn't a positive view), we don't get a lot mandos that show other cultures Beyond Mandalorian culture - which is bad btw (and before anyone comes at me, I'm just going to say that it could have been done during the Rebels or The Mandalorian) - and also since they view Jedi as enemies it wouldn't surprise me that they wouldn't be too kind on a kid who was mixed cultures, let alone if the kid preferred the Jedi culture more than Mandalorian.

This is not even talking about the fact that raising children is hard and that the Jedi might have to leave their job in the Order to raise the kid(s) if they weren't force sensitives - thus no longer being a Jedi job (which is what most people want when they say they want a mando jedi), and if they were force sensitive it would mean that they would probably be raised in the Order - And I want you to look at me in the eye and tell me if you truly believe that the majority of mandalorians wouldn't say that the Jedi wasn't "a true mandalorian" for taking that decision.

4. Defending themselves and their families -

Again, they will 100% do that UNLESS it means a greater harm for a good amount of people - and can you tell me that most mandalorian clans would accept that fact? That they wouldn't be the priority if something much bigger happened? Most people in real life wouldn't like that! Would fake accept and then get mad when it did happen because they were hoping that the person would change their minds!

But being a Jedi means following a philosophy of Harm Reduction and that means choosing the option that would save more lives/harm less lives, that fact doesn't change just because one of the people you won't be able to safe is your family. Or your whole family will be people you won't be able to safe, but a million more will survive, and there's No changing that.

5. Contributing to the clan's welfare -

This one seems easy but we don't know how much the Jedi are paid - if they are paid at all, honestly. For all we know they could get paid anything that could help anyone and all their things are made by the Jedi themselves or are donated or given by the Senate for missions, like they give them communicators, but it's mostly with the intent of using them during missions and not every day life - even if that becomes a side effect.

Or maybe the Jedi are given a budget, and they pay their workers, buy stuff they need (food, for example, even if I believe a good majority of vegetables and fruits are grown in the Temple) and pay the bills and then pay the Jedi/give the all the Jedi money depending on their age and rank. and maybe Jedi Shadows win money while undercover that they can use afterwards or normal Jedi have side hustles to earn money, but none of this we know for sure.

We don't Know how much the Jedi get if they get anything at all, so they won't be able to provide financially.

Okay but not with money what else could they do? They can't help around with the kids or daily tasks regularly when they have always the chance to be called away for a mission that could take months to years at the time. They can't help moving because they might get on call and drop that agreement. They can't move around or leave the Republic space because they might be needed for emergencies.

There's nothing that the Jedi can promise to do to help the Clan because of their job, and like.

Again, I can see a good majority of the Mandos (and Fans) not being able to forgive that and use it as a 'proof' that the Jedi ins't a 'True Mandalorian'

6. Following a Mand'alor and rallying behind said leader if they call for arms -

This is the one that it's a full No for the Jedi.

They are supposed to be Neutral, they can't join a side - they can't join the Mand'alor side or support them without a very good reason to.

The Jedi joined the Republic because they could help more planets and people would Listen more easily because they would have the Republic's backing. And I mean, looking at the good they did! A Thousand years of peace, ending slavery in the Republic and still working on ending it outside (Quinlan was on Tattooine, probably undercover take down a slavery ring)

Like lives are in danger and the best course of action is to ally themselves with with the Mand'alor.

Oh, and before anyone brings up the Republic and the War:

The Separatists were Enslaving worlds and literally built a weapon to eradicate all the organic life in a certain distance of the weapon, they Needed to be taken down. No matter the faults of the Republic, they were the better option in the Clone Wars as much as I hate to say it

I already said before on how the Senate is the one giving the Jedi stuff, and I will say it again! The Senate is probably the one who pays for a LOT of things of the Jedi, things they possibly need to survive. They Could Not say no to the Senate without risking the Order's entire life, ESPECIALLY because you can't tell me that Palpatine wouldn't activate Order 66 Earlier if they had said no.

Speaking of Palpatine, did you know the Senate and him drafted the Jedi? Yeah, they CANONICALLY did that.

Anywa, went off the road a bit but yeah.

The Jedi would only swear themselves to the Mand'alor If they were forced to, OR more lives would be saved that way.

And this fact? This being unable to swear themselves to the Mand'alor would be a deal breaker, since then they would be following 5 out of the 6

THE VERDICT:

Out of the Six Actions, we have:

2 that a Jedi would have no trouble following

2 that they would need clauses on - something that the majority of mandos wouldn't allow

1 that is Uncertain, but it's probably a negative since we don't know how well the Jedi would be able to help their clan and most mandos would probably want a full commitment and help for their clans

1 that the Jedi wouldn't be able to follow without a good reason that would last longer than a month

Meaning? A Jedi wouldn't be considered a Mandalorian by the majority of the Mando'ade, in fact they would most likely be considered dar'manda by a good proportion of the Mandalorian people.

Personal Thoughts: All my thoughts right now are surrounding Tarre Vizsla and how he would deal with all of this, since he would only be able to swear to two with no problems Makes me think that what @/aspiringwarriorlibrarian (sorry for the tag) theorized about Tarre becoming a Mand'alor via the non-warrior elite is a lot likely

Part 2 Here

[constantlymisspelled]

Mandalorian Divorce Courts be lit

Like wow, I've given them so much more ammunition than they already had.

[ahsoka-in-a-hood]

By fanon Mandalorian do you mean “soft/uwu family” instead of “messy warrior clans”? Either way, I agree about Jango. That man is not soft or adopting anybody lol, he is fucking shit up!

Yeah the super soft found-family version you see sometimes

It's just so funny how not soft fanon-mando Jango is. Fanfic True Mandos are just OUTRAGED by child endangerment? He ditches his nine year old in the middle of shoot-out. True Mandos hate slavery? He literally trafficks in kids. True Mandos are all about adoption? His one kid is a clone (and he sold the rest). True Mandos are honorable? He shoots his colleague in the back. ....I could maybe go on but you get it

Like, imagine if he showed up in that Mandalore one day with his army to claim the title of Mand'alor. Just how popular would he BE

[evaarade]

I'm making a post about influences from the Canon New Mandos and Jedi that the Fanon True Mandalorians have

If you want to see a specific point referenced/talked about, leave it in the replies or in my inbox

[phoenixyfriend]

Hiii, thank you for your master list of links, I already knew some of the New Mandalorians stuff but I missed the whole "the Protectors wear Mandalorians armor" bit because I've never watched Rebels plus I got to learn about the True Mandalorians (who I knew existed due to Fanon but I never cared about them as much as the New) to help better craft my thoughts <3

Oh, the protectors are also in TCW

[thewriterowl]

What is even happening with canon sw right now? -_- I am not even invested in them anymore (not even in the mandalorian, which is a shame because it used to be my everything... but man where is the story even going now)

I'll just stay peacefully in the fanon works among awesome clan of three (or more) contents where it's about din being a dad to grogu with luke who isn't being actively erased out of his own franchise :)

Honestly, I am not sure. I mean, I have been aware of this weird anti-Luke sensation within Lucasfilm/Disney for awhile. And i know a lot of things are coming from a sense of a combination of misrepresentation/push for women (and POC, but within Lucasfilm, over Disney, it's the women) which has its perks--but it does mean that many things originally written for characters like Luke are now, potentially, being given to female characters (i.e. Thrawn and Heir to the Empire to Ahsoka). There are great positives and intense negatives to these things within these new shows and it can come down to personal feelings, bias on favorite characters/what is "law" within this fictional universe, and if there is an overreach for profit vs. an actual care for representation (i.e. while Kathleen Kennedy is not great, I feel like her pursuit of female representation has a more positive intent (though can be very exclusive and white-washed) than some of the decisions Disney is making with live-action remakes and just swapping out races (again, there are positives--but there is a lot of profit grubbing and intense laziness to it that feels more like they are trying to appear they are doing something without putting true effort in)).

I will be the first to admit, I am 100% character bias. I adore Luke. I think this should've been his story as the book was intended. I wouldn't have been thrilled if we got him and Mara Jade together--but seeing more of him and being part of a story that is really, really well loved in the SW book community would've made me cry. But, I have to understand Ahsoka is like that for others and this show is going to do the same thing for them--I just really wished she would be getting her own new, creative storyline and that it doesn't seem that Kathleen and Dave hate Luke with a weird passion.

My not as personal, but what I feel is actually a flaw, is the writing. there just feels to be an intense corporate layer to it that is sucking out the stories and characters to sell things.

It started with Book of Boba Fett--there was no need for Din to be included and for it to all of a sudden became The Mandalorian 2.5 when the vast majority wanted a Boba focus story. The bits with Din should've been the first half of season 3, at least, with the series focused just on Boba and his pursuit of Tatooine and self-redemption. But, they wanted the cash of Din and Grogu and the whole series fell apart.

Then Obi-Wan Kenobi. This series was so close to being perfect. But it was too short. It felt like it was actually written and plotted to be 8-10 episodes long (as the Mandalorian) but then all of a sudden they were told "nah, despite this being the MOST asked for character driven piece of media within the franchise, we want the budget and focus elsewhere" and so it just fell a bit short because it wasn't allowed to breathe as it felt like it was supposed to be.

Andor, miraculously, was perfect. But, it didn't feel like was pushed or loved enough. It came after two series that were not as universally loved as predicted (overlooking the said problems that would've fixed them). I am happy we are gonna get the season 2, but I fear executives will try to say any poor numbers are based on the writing for it...while not doing the same for others.

Season 3 of the Mandalorian....it has great parts! There is a lot of fun and lovely things (and i loved Lizzo's and Jack Black's cameos) but it feels like it is a push for theme rides and toys. Everything we have had slowly simmering has just been "oh yeah, this happened".

Like, Bo getting the Dark-saber is FINE. I can see that being the best choice overall. That execution? Not really. Or the helmet and how Bo is accepted but a massive subplot of Din's story was who he was and what he was as a Mandalorian and within his place as the tribe. That is such a beautiful and great character arc that was just...dismissed? And to have him bathe in episode, what, 2? Almost every big or subtle interesting plot within the first two seasons are just being overlooked or handled without any sort of true thought or care, like we as the viewers are fine with basically starting over in the third season.

I am gonna wait to see the whole season to see it together, but it feels choppy and feels lazy and feels like they are trying to sweep Din aside for Bo-Katan to take over, pretend it was the plan all along, without any sort of real and true build up.

I just wish that there wasn't such a intense legal and protective battle to write and publish Star Wars books because I would be using so much energy to have more Luke stories out in the world cause the poor guy needs them at this point.

At least we do have fantastic fan fiction!

[furious-blueberry0]

12 and 25 please :3

The unpopular character that you actually like and why more people should like them

I am a huge Andor bitch, and while I love all the characters of the show, my heart was absolutely ripped out and taken by Nemik.

My little antifascist italian heart has always been a huge fan of the Rebellion, maybe it’s because I always liked to listen to the stories of the partisans of my country, but for some reason Nemik managed to stay there and occupy a lot of its space, I don’t know how to explain, he just feels so real.

I keep thinking about his untold story, what has bringed him there? Was there something more than his ideal for freedom? Did he have to fight with his loved ones for his ideas? Does he even have loved ones left? Are they still alive, were they taken away by the Empire? Does he have family or friends? Is there someone who is still waiting for him to come back home? Is there even still a home to go back to? Did he already lose everything or did he have everything to lose? 

I think a lot about him, he may not be the most interesting character but I love him.

Common fandom complaint that you're sick of hearing

Oh god this is so tricky, this fandom has a lot of shitty discussions and complaints that I would like to see disappear into thin air and never come back. It’s so hard to choose.

Mmmmhhh, I guess a complaint I always disliked is that Satine’s pacifism destroyed Mandalorian culture? When there is no actual proof of that?

She is one of the only characters that speak Mando’a, and actively uses their alphabet and language, plus the whole “Mandalorians were not only humans” is a fanon thing, so again complaining that she destroyed the “true culture” and is also racist is a take that has no actual fondements. 

But I guess that for this kind of people Mandalorian culture is mostly about armour, fighting, killing others in the name of ideals or glory, or going around starting wars and colonizing planets.

[yellowocaballero]

Anon who sent an ask abt no chip au here again bc i forgot to say that what was crazy to me about it and all of your sw writing was the fact that you gave voice and new stories to these characters that to me had been meandering around in my brain for more than a decade .. I felt emotions and remembered memories that were buried deep in my psyche for so long i’d forgotten them. Also i love obi-wan being a bitch

OH THAT TRACKS. I know how you feel, it's weird to see nostalgic childhood cartoon characters be put in completely different stories and through the wringer. I have people saying to me, "I want to read your Star Wars stuff but I have no idea anything about Fox/Cody/etc" and I'm just like baby do you think I didn't make all of this up? Do you think we ALL didn't make all of this up?

TCW fanon is ridiculous because I never have any idea what's canon in the show, canon in some way, fanon from implied canon, or pure fanon. I think more people are unaware of these differentiations than they know. People are out there writing meta on why the Mandalorians are a thousand times better than the child-abusing Jedi, when they are basing their entire argument off fanon. Forget about Satine. Personally, I dislike just slapping a fanon characterization onto a guy and calling it a day, because fanon characterizations are frequently boring, but I also just can't fucking tell. So I go hog no matter what.

Does Bly actually have a crush on Aayla? Was that said anywhere? I have no idea. I just accepted it was true but I can't find the mention in the wiki. What's going on.