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bitofanupsidedowner · 8 hours ago

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we're past the appropriate rejection window honestly. remember how steve is rejected by robin in the same season he develops feelings for her? or how dustin is symbolically rejected by max in the season he develops feelings for her? that's because it would have been a super weird choice to build it up for a really long time and then end it with a rejection.

there's a reason why in season three when joyce rejects hopper, we all immediately know it isn't a real rejection, even though they're fighting, she's grieving and planning to leave, and he's being unreasonable and unfair. there's reason after reason to think it's not going to happen, but because he's had feelings for her since season one we know it's going somewhere.

who waits on the edge of their seat to watch someone get turned down? who stays subscribed to netflix for that? that kind of thing would not be interesting, it would just be a confusing way to spend the increasingly limited time right before your show ends. penultimate season. every scene has to mean something bigger, all the way down to lucas talking about new coke or mike trying a new kind of pizza.

in writing you primarily only want to wait and build up to things if the result is going to be worth waiting for. rejection of the perpetually tortured gay kid is predictable and doesn't function to do much at all story wise. easy to write around, too, but they did the opposite. they built will's character around this.

they also have no need to dip back into the rejection pool narratively, doesn't add to the story. especially this late into the game. (sidenote, weird how people were not nearly as sure robin was going to be rejected despite her love interest being mirrored to mike, significantly less developed, and introduced so late, but i digress)

if they wanted mike to reject will, it should have been during the van scene. he should have given mike the painting and said something along the lines of, "i know you don't feel the same, but i really want you to know how el sees you, how we all see you. you're the heart. we'd fall apart without you." it would have still been sad but it would have been an ending.

because plotlines need to end! they need to end when it makes sense for them to, not before or after. dragging it along means they either realize they have something worth dragging, or have deliberately decided to prolong a plot point past its logical conclusion for the sole purpose of milking every last second of misery they can out of will, which would be needlessly cruel and so, so gratuitous.

it's not like the van scene NEEDED to happen exactly how it happened. any scene that is solely character driven with no impact on the plot can be rewritten over and over and changed into whatever it has to be. it was written as the most romantic mike moment in any season, and it was filmed and lit and directed extremely specifically. zero accidents.

robin and vickie was unnecessary without a plan. mike and will was unnecessary unless they have a plan.

so they must have a plan. if mike was going to reject will, it had to be in season four. but mike didn't reject will. not at all. he was actually very, very moved by what will had to say, he just didn't entirely realize what it was he was saying.

in fact, they made sure that this plotline was not just unsolved, but that it was obligated to come back, by having it go against the character's most consistent moral line of friends don't lie. and gave it to the character who, in his introductory scene, refuses to lie. dishonesty has genuine ramifications in this show, and will's is attached to a physical (treasured) object that has to come back into play. they can't sweep it under the rug and mike can't reject will without it coming off as... just... far too late.

#byler #anti milkvan #will byers #anti mileven #gay mike wheeler #mike wheeler #byler brainrot #byler endgame #gay mike truther

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thesoftboiledegg · 1 day ago

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When I saw an animatic from "Cryo Mort a Rickver" months ago, I wasn't impressed. I thought the dialogue was corny, the plot was simplistic and the jokes didn't land. The polished cold open that Adult Swim released a few days ago was a little better, but I still had my doubts.

This episode appeared to lean into the issues I've had with the newer seasons: Rick's meaner just because the plot calls for it, the concept wasn't particularly original, and the characters over-explain everything. I mean, does Rick really need to tell us that the countdown timers are moving faster when we can clearly see it on the screen?

I still don't think this episode has the strongest opening (although the dig at sensationalized gore fests masquerading as "true crime podcasts" was pretty funny), but the rest of the storyline proved me wrong. This could've been another story about Rick being an asshole that culminates in a bloodbath. Instead, it had way more heart than I expected--and Rick did, too.

I do think his scheme at the beginning was excessive for someone who's supposed to be changing, but I guess Rick's cruelty at the beginning--deciding to rob the ship and blow everyone up on a whim, yelling and threatening Morty like we're back in season three--was supposed to contrast with his later development. It would've been less effective if he were nicer from the start.

Dr. Wong's clearly had a huge impact on him, because he's starting to get attached to people again. In fact, it took only a couple of days for him to get attached to the strangers who love him.

I'm still wondering what his childhood was like, too. Season two hinted that he has daddy issues, but the writers have never returned to that thread. Did he latch onto Karen and Doug because he's rediscovering his humanity, or were they the loving parents that he always wanted? Maybe time will tell.

Judging by the episode previews, people had already guessed that Rick would end up in a higher social class and Morty would be a laborer. I figured that Rick would become corrupt with wealth, Morty would get sick of being a janitor, and they'd eventually collide. The episode started going in this direction, and then it surprised me by switching to a new angle altogether.

Rick's wealthy parents don't corrupt him. In fact, they end up softening him. I loved watching him start to care for his new parents, show them affection and protect them from danger. He doesn't even try to deny it. "They were nice, so I was nice back!"

And why did Rick really join the space race, anyway? That was his perfect opportunity to grab Morty and bail. Yeah, he lives for excitement, but maybe he was a little worried about Karen and Doug, too?

He also forgot about his earlier threats toward Morty pretty quickly. In fact, he stood there and did nothing while Morty whooped his ass. Maybe he was trying to stay in character, but he could've slipped in a few punches if he really wanted to. The man who once gave his grandson a black eye for defying him is slowly disappearing.

On that note, I loved the hints of Rick and Morty looking out for each other despite their conflicts: Rick getting Karen and Doug to back down after Morty assaults him, Morty yelling "Watch out!" and tugging Rick's robe so that he falls backward before the priest whacks him in the face.

In earlier seasons, Rick would've had something diabolical waiting for Morty at the end to punish him for his defiance. Now? Morty's less of a punching bag and more of an equal partner.

As for the theme, the writers were clearly trying to make a point about capitalism, but the plot moved so quickly that I'm not sure what the ultimate message was supposed to be. Violent uprisings are bad? Money corrupts everybody? Inserting a chip that punishes you for being mean to other people would create an equal society?

You know these people are going to find a way to screw it up, but that's not Rick and Morty's problem. They started trouble, but for once, the chaos wasn't entirely their fault. Morty was just the catalyst for tensions that had probably been building for decades.

In the past, the writers have used episode endings as a reset, but not this time. Rick's still thinking about his fake parents. Sure, it's unlikely that he'll ever mention them again, but they didn't just disappear from his mind as soon as he left the ship.

Morty mentions that he's part of Rick's chosen family, and Rick actually agrees in his backhanded way. Of course, a few seconds later, he decides to rob another cryoship. Did he learn much from their adventure? Probably not, but the audience just learned a lot about him.

#rick and morty #rick sanchez #morty smith #cryo mort a rickver #season eight #rick and morty s8 #rick and morty season 8 #review

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transparentgayprotector · 1 year ago

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By accident of course.

It starts with a crossover that I don't notice, until I'm in too deep. I get attached to a character and or plot points I need to see the ending but the fic hasn't updated since 2012. I finish it and I'm left with a craving so I look for something similar.

I can't find it in my current fandom, I go back to the crossover boom instantly I find what I'm looking for as soon as I enter the new fandom. I get excited

I watch/read the original content.

I see deeply into these characters and the plot

I hyper fixate.

I need to know more.

I go digging, Where I discover so much about this fandom that I know nothing and everything.

Past fandom? I escaped its grasp the best I can but I'll be dragged back eventually.

I always am.

I read until I won't find any content on what I want to scratch the urge inside of me but when I do I find a crossover that I dont notice in my excitement and the process starts all over again.

Dragged into one hell after the other.

Forever

How about you?

Okay I have a follow up question from a poll I started today, which is tied into the concept of fic discoverability.

I would be fascinated to know how you normally find fics to read, and your reasoning about it, if any. Has your behaviour changed over time? What fandom are you in?

#By accident of course #It's starts with a crossover that I don't notice #Until I'm in too deep #I get attached to a character and or plot points #Then I finish it and am left with a craving #So I look for something similar #I can't find it in my current fandom #I go back to the crossover #Boom instantly I find what I want as soon as I go looking on this new fandom #I get excited #I watch/read the original content #I see deeper #I hyper fixate #I go digging #I need to know more #Where I discover so much about this fandom that I know nothing and everything #Past fandom?#I've escaped it's grasp the best I can but I'll be dragged back eventually #Then I get dragging into a new one #Later I can't find any content to scratch the urge inside of me #So I find a crossover #That I don't notice I'm my excitement #And the process starts all over again #Dragging me from hell to hell #Forever #What about you?#long post

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ibblescribbles · 3 months ago

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Do you think you will ever check out Raincode? It's made by the same people who made DR but with a more focus on mystery. (It has the same vibes and stuff, I feel like you would like it a lot) another thing, the writing is so banger

Yes, I've already played Raincode!! Really enjoyed it, especially for the DR-like vibe and I actually made charms of the main cast:

I have sketches of Yomi and Yakou that I've been meaning to add to this set for ages but haven't been able to bring myself to refine them ;v; Makes me happy when people recognize the Raincode merch at cons tho! I'm really excited for Kodaka's new game too, I haven't played the demo yet!

#i think raincode just didnt have the same grip as DR for me #while i enjoyed it a lot and the general plot kept me hooked i think there were plot points that i wish had been explored more #and the ending was a bit predictable to me which doesnt necessarily make it bad but it set it up to be very shocking and then it was kinda #like yeah... saw that coming ages ago #i think there was a lot i wanted from the premise of the game that it just didnt provide which tbf happens quite often in DR too #but i think the biggest thing is that the characters in raincode feel a bit one dimensional and dont really get devloped as much as id like #now i played before the DLC content was released and have yet to play the DLC so ik that the charas get more fleshed out in that but the #game felt a little bit incomplete to me without that #i think dr appeals to me so well bc the main plot of the game allows for extremely strong archetypes of characters so even when theyre bein #comically over the top or die off early there's still a lot of room for personal headcanons and theories #but raincode misses the mark on that just a tiny bit #perhaps its also just that the cast is so small too #i like the dr murder mysteries bc whether im attached to the victim or murderer or hate their guts im personally invested in the trials #with raincode i didnt like that most of the mysteries felt so impersonal and the NPCs more often than not were generic #it def removed a layer of investment for me #ALL THAT TO SAY. I DONT DISLIKE RAINCODE #like i said i really enjoyed it and i think chapter 3?? Or whichever chapter they infiltrate the school in was my favorite specifically bc #it actually does kinda hit the mark with having NPC's with proper designs and also i really like desuhiko and his ability despite him being #the “pervert” archetype #all of this is mostly reflection on why it doesnt have as much of a vice grip as danganronpa has on me even after all these years #but as a game it was really fun to play and i did enjoy the overall storyline #i think yomi mightve been my next kokichi if his writing didnt flop so hard towards end game #he was so my type of character and then he just kinda. ended up doing nothing.#also i think makoto is ugly. no offense. send tweet #askibble #OH ONE MORE THING i really enjoyed the initial chapter and how the game opens up but im really mad that they didnt call back to the prologu #detectives at all #like i really thought maybe they'd at least haunt the narrative but nooppee #i really like that one girl pucci. or wahtegver her name was #ive been wanting to replay it recently tbh

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twilightprince101 · 1 year ago

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So! The ost for Indigo Park chapter 1 released on youtube. and they come with official titles for all the songs

Do with this what you will Rambley Fans

#indigo park #rambley the raccoon #indigo park rambley #indigo park mollie macaw #mollie macaw #lloydford l lion #indigo park finley #finley the sea serpent #uniquegeese #seek's animation and stuff #((I personally see “lovesong” in a very abstract sense here. platonic love exists as well ya know #and i REALLY hope this means that the game is focusing on what I think it is for the story #that being Rambley's loneliness. moreso than whatever conspiracy is going on in the park #all mascot horror games in them have conspiracies it's practically a requirement. I wanna see CHARACTER DEVELOPMENT #and I feel Rambley getting too attached to the player in some way shape or form is gonna become an important plot point #maybe not romantically. but in a “oh god please stay and be my friend i need someone to talk to and I cant get out of here”#but again. to each their own #go hogwild rambley shippers))

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moeblob · 7 months ago

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Right and his work menaces (Brent and Karen).

I don't remember last I mentioned it but apart from crude nicknames to people (except Chris), he also just puts them in his phone really weird (except Chris, who is literally in his phone as Chris). And I bring this up because in Right's phone, Karen is saved as "Lawful Obligation".

#my characters #oops i fell in love #can you guys tell im stressed and hyperfixating on my own fucked up ocs cause i am #also brents nickname at work and in rights phone is fuckwad #and hes like yeah if im called anything else at this point by right its weird and uncomfortable #and when it is finally approached as if paul is only in rights phone as shitty-ex (answer) now that hes an excoworker #what was he in rights phone BEFORE the transfer #and right is like annoying dickwad ... karen is like oh i see thats why you call him a dick still #thats like a nickname from his phone name #and brent has to ask why fuckwad and dickwad and right looks at him and takes a deep breathe before saying #because i like the word wad and it is very comforting bc like a wad of paper ? you can throw it away #and so if i realize i gotta get rid of attachment i wad it up #also dont tell paul that dickwad was a form of attachment or he will never shut the fuck up about it #karen and brent both swear to never mention it to paul #paul is honestly such a weird anomaly in the plot bc he doesnt directly work at the same police station #but he is CONSTANTLY a topic of gossip or annoyance or updates #hes literally karens best friend! aside from chris he was one of the few right worked with who HAD touch privileges before right banned it #hes also just genuinely well liked but no one can actually tell him or he will become insufferable #which is a crime that rick is guilty of once when he meets paul and karen introduces him #and rick is just OH i know that name! youre her best friend #and she looks so betrayed and paul looks so delighted and stunned and radiant over this fact #and rick makes up for it before the night is over which is why karen forgives him - he made paul back in his place #anyway yeah right has lots of fears and hes my bundle of anxiety and i love him and his atrocious nicknames #i think i would die if i gave someone a rude nickname even affectionately irl #also also final note on this ig #since right is a detective and not always at the station its worth pointing out brent and karen just work taking calls and #doing misc other work at their desks which are nearby so they 100% bond and its wonderful #ok i lied final note on them is #for a very long time karen has to check with right to make sure she isnt annoying brent because he doesnt emote well #and shes scared she wont know if shes annoying him please help youre like the only one who reads his moods accurately

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icewindandboringhorror · 4 months ago

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I'm so heavily anti-advertising that all pitches sound goofy silly to me/I can never take them seriously, so I have no idea how I'll manage to to advertise my game even if I do finally finish it soon-ish lol...

#Especially how so much modern media advertising is like... getting people excited about random tropes and stuff like #''Do you love enemies to lovers? Do you love sad stories that make you do a heckin CRY? Do you love big stupid dumbo muffin cake #sinnamon roll babies who are too good for this world? Have you ever wanted to read a blah blach blah" whatever stuff and it's like #... i cannot type that... I couldnt do it.. I couldn't even think of how to do it ghbjhbjh #I am such a literal person... Like I love when an advertisement is just like 'This product works well. Look at it. Buy it if you want. Ok'#You know what makes me want to read a book or watch a show or play a game? Reading a detailed plot synopsis or the full wiki page #for it and then deciding 'yeah I wouldnt mind sitting through seeing the events I just read about happen in more detail' lol #OR aesthetics. since I do often watch things JUST for the set/costume design. Sometimes I will watch stuff literally #just because I saw a picture of a costume in it that looked really cool and I want to sketch costume looks whilst watching #But aside from appearance like... little bullet point break downs of things that are in a story just ... do not do anything to me at all.#And i just hate 'selling' things to begin with. I don't want to have to convince people to like something.. they should just... like it...#LOL.. like.. just be born liking it. just like it automatically please. Dont make me beg to you like a weird little freak. So many commerci #als seem weirdly desperate and manipulative. Like those Truck/Car commercials that will have like a freaking dog crying and #a war vet in a wheelchair with the american flag in the background and a family hugging around a christmas tree or some shint and its #just like oh my GODDD... shut UPP.. you could literally not be MORE blantant about just trying to prey on peoples emotions to build #some sort of fabricated positive association with your product/brand.. begone.. Or brands having their own twitters where they post #~~relatable content~~ as a means of shallow audience endearment GGGRR..... ANYWAY.. hhrgh...................#Maybe that's something I can ask playtesters I guess like.. I feel like I don't know my own audience very well because I am not #much of a media person?? ironically.. Like I do enjoy MAKING media. But I've never been in a fandom. I've never read fanfiction. I've never #spent much time in those spaces. I've just never really had the inclination and don't personally derive much joy out of stuff like that #(since I'm already so focused on my OWN world and projects its like.. hard for me to even find the time and mental energy to expend on #others). Even when I finish a movie or game and really like it.. I just kind of like...move on? and don't really dwell on it much? At most #I will get into the worldbuilding of a piece of media and read the wiki for a while or watch Lore info or critical analysis videos. But I #never really care for or attach to the characters or the plot itself very much. So I feel like.. the way my brain works. I'm just not as #good at approaching things from that angle? Kind of like how if you're a lifelong vegetarian whos never eaten meat - you might #struggle to write an ad for fancy brand of steaks bc you'd be like... idk what meat eaters are even looking for? whats the selling point??#Which I'm not saying that I wouldn't play my own game. i AM definitely the audience for it. But it's more like.. I would play it for my own #very niche specific reasons that I think are different from what MOST people might want to play it for. So I need to somehow #tap into the minds of the Majority who play things for Normal Reasons than pure lore collection or whatever lol.

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dogrocks · 4 months ago

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how do you not get bored of your clangen game. i’ve tried recording moons on a document but it doesn’t seem to work :(

#meows #i mean maybe the answer is my attention span isn’t meant for it but #i like playing it but i get bored so quickly and i make a new clan #i do get attached to certain characters and plot points and i fantasise about having a clan that’s many years old but aughh

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lokh · 1 year ago

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watching the last episode of a series we've never seen and trying to guess what all has happened

#just did this w my mom and sibling and. well it wasnt a good series LMAO it was mid #i think its relatively easy to get the gist of whats going on #but the biggest thing u lose is: emotional attachment LMAO #the characters and their actions feel ten times as stupid when u dont rly care about them #the next is obviously u miss entire plot points or the context for them #and also u lose the time scale. like u dont have any real idea #how long its been since the start of the series #unfortunately i also do this with books LMAO i like opening to a random page and reading from there

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scarlettfevor · 8 months ago

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Writing klance fics is so hard when I haven't watched the show since it aired and like many other klance fans I am determined to forget everything about the show and the fandom circa 2016-2018

#the pyre #its so funny how this ship had us in a chokehold to the point where even now like 8 years later I still consider klance to be one of my otp #but I've never seen a fandom this determined to forget about the show #like being attached to a shitty series bc you like the characters/ships is not uncommon #I feel like everyone on the fandom side of tumblr have been here for atleast 10 years and have all been apart of a fandom like this #but the fact that immediately after the show ended fans created an au where this ver of voltron gets remade AGAIN where keith and lance #have diff names but still the same personalities but actully end up together #like WHAT is that?!?!#I love fandom history I think it's so funny whenever a fandom is weird enough that they make fandom history #like the onceler fandom all being about one guy who appeared for like 5 minutes and ppl shipped him with himself #or the dr + undertale fandom shipping nagito and sans #of the sherlock fandom creating a character who literally does not exit in canon #and for better of for worse (def for worse) voltron has made it's home in the fandom hall of fame #I went on a loooong tangent #moral of the story is that it's hard to write klance fics when I literally forgot everything that happened in the show #and I haven't as much as read a klance fic in years #like lol I forgot the plot and the setting and the antags and what happened in every season #but I didn't forget about how much I wanted keith and lance to kiss

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angelsdean · 2 years ago

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there are a few side characters i just find so boring, uncompelling, or only relevant in the era they exist / only enjoy from my personal interpretive lens but if you express any of that some people will act like you've committed a murder. but sometimes a side character is just a side character there to fulfill a specific narrative purpose! and that's fine. like i don't hate any of them, but i also don't particularly care abt them beyond their narrative purpose ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

#like of course everything is very intense when ur actively in a fandom.#but watching other shows recently like smallville in a casual way has reminded me of how easy and normal it is to just. dislike a character #for no real reason. no 'moral' or 'problematic' reasons just. they are annoying or boring #or you can see behind the curtain to why this character was used in this way in the narrative and it becomes a sticking point #like sometimes i can just see the writers' mind map of why they put that character in and i'm like. hm. and all i can see is the plot devic #and because this IS fiction and it IS a story i will treat it as such like no these aren't real people yes characters can be plot devices #or narrative / thematic symbols #so some characters are less real to me. especially side characters. they become symbolic for other things #but naturally a lot of people will get attached to certain side characters and that's fine!#but it becomes an issue when talking abt a character as an element or a symbol is perceived as an attack or a reduction of that character #instead of a normal way of viewing and interpreting the function of characters in a narrative #yes they allll feel real to us because we love them. but discussing a character as a symbol or archetype in a literary context isn't wrong #vic.txt

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desertdragon · 1 year ago

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This shit is so ass I just want it to be over