Episode 15: What Happened to Monday & Tron: Legacy
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What Happened to Monday
Tron: Legacy
Sarah and Jojo: Welcome to the costume plot.
Jojo Siu
I'm Jojo Siu
Sarah Timm
and I'm Sarah Timm. We're professional designers with a passion for costume design and the performing arts. Our podcast does contain spoilers. Accompanying slideshows for each movie are linked in the episode description.
Jojo Siu
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Jojo Siu
Hello, and welcome back.
Sarah Timm
Welcome back to the costume plot.
Jojo Siu
Second episode of the day.
Sarah Timm
We record these back to back so it's been two weeks for you guys, but it's been about five minutes for us
Jojo Siu
It's weird to think about that.
Sarah Timm
A little bit, huh? How's the future? Is it fun?
Jojo Siu
I know. Tell us. Tell us all about it.
Sarah Timm
Is Coronavirus over?
Jojo Siu
Finally. Oh man. Oh, yeah. Did you get your vaccine?
Sarah Timm
I did! Yeah. And by the time this episode comes out, I will be fully vaccinated meaning that the two weeks will have passed. I got it on the 29th of March.
Jojo Siu
Woohoo! I'm super excited. So excited! Then we'll both be fully vaccinated.
Sarah Timm
Yeah
Jojo Siu
And we can actually have a hang out! Without masks!
Sarah Timm
Imagine that. I know. Our friend Ramsey has gotten his vaccine and his boyfriend has, and we're planning to have dinner parties. And we're just so excited to finally DO stuff.
Jojo Siu
I know. I'm very excited. Matt's supposed to get his on Friday.
Sarah Timm
Exciting.
Jojo Siu
Yeah. All right. Well, I will I will get us started on our our next episode,
Sarah Timm
What's our theme today?
Jojo Siu
This one is not as scary as I last episode. Sci-fi is a little less creepy for me. Although, you know, it is also something very near and dear to us in the future. So that COULD be scary.
Sarah Timm
Sometimes, Sci-fi is scary.
Jojo Siu
It's true. But I'm very excited to talk about this movie. It's something that I watched a long time ago. And I will say the storyline is probably not the most new or interesting for a sci fi kind of thriller. But I also really just love the actors that are in this movie. And it's a pretty big all-star cast. So I will get started. Let me share my screen. Okay, so I will be covering the movie "What Happened to Monday. And this movie, it's probably not as well known. But again, it's something that I've really come to enjoy. And it's a very fun movie. So if you're looking for something kind of, I don't want to say on the lighter side. I guess there's some light parts of it, but it is kind of a darker movie. It's directed by Tommy Wirkola, who wrote and directed "Dead Snow" as well as "Dead Snow 2". You probably know him the best from the new "Hansel and Gretel" movie. So he did that action "Hansel and Gretel" . And then he also did--I wrote this down because no one knows what it is--but it's "Kill Buljo" which is a parody of "Kill Bill". Oh, and apparently, there's also a sequel for that. So I thought that was funny that, you know, that was on his list of things. So he hasn't done a ton of work. But the few things he's done--it looks like they were more in the sci-fi genre. So he tends to kind of lean towards that. And then the costume designer for this was Oana Paunescu. I hope I'm saying that correctly. She did several versions of "Dragonheart". And then she was also the wardrobe supervisor for a show called "Mirrors". And then she also did "Seed of Chucky", which is probably the one that most people know.
But yeah, so this was an interesting kind of adventure for her, she talks a little bit about how she really had to figure out how to dress seven versions of the same person. And I should probably go back and tell you what the premise of the story is. So the idea is that we are in a kind of not-so-distant in the future. The setting is 2043. And I don't know what city it's supposed to be, because again, this is in the future. I think it's supposed to be kind of a representative of any urban city setting.
But it's the idea that at this point, they've been doing all of these things to kind of solve all the environmental problems that we've had, that have been created by you know, world global warming and all those other things. But in order to do that, it's actually created a new defect, where humans when they get pregnant, are actually coming out with multiple births. So people regularly will have septuplets or you know, quintuplets or whatever. So basically this idea of overpopulation has now happened. And so in order to control that, the character Glenn Close, who is not necessarily
a councilwoman but she's kind of representing this new age of science, where she is fighting for putting all the siblings or having one child in each family that exists in the world and then having all the rest of her siblings or his siblings put into cryogenic sleep until sometime in the future. So that's their way of kind of controlling the population and trying to keep that in control.
And so of course, that means that you know, every sibling is supposed to be put into cryogenic sleep, but of course there is the main character is played by Noomi Rapace. Is that how you say her name?
Sarah Timm
I think it's "Rapas". I'm not 100% sure.
Jojo Siu
Noomi Rapace, who is infamously known for "The Girl with the Dragon Tattoo"
Sarah Timm
The Swedish one, not the American one.
Jojo Siu
Yeah, yes,
Sarah Timm
She's so good in that,
Jojo Siu
Yes, very good in that one. But she plays our leading lady. So basically, her mother died in childbirth, giving birth to her and her six other siblings. And Karen Settman is the name of the mother. And so the grandfather, father of this mother, who gave birth to these sevenchildren, he decides discreetly, he finds a hospital where she's allowed to deliver them safely and ends up keeping them. And so the grandfather ends up coming up with this whole system. Where because there's seven of them, he names each of the kids after a day of the week. And so he trains them and basically protects them, and actually builds a whole space custom made for them. So he teaches them to go out each day of their week, and only go out, but always as Karen Settman. So each of them has their persona inside the house. But when they leave the house, they are always representing one only child--Karen Settman.
Sarah Timm
So they each have their own day of the week where they get to leave the house.
Jojo Siu
Yeah, exactly. But you know, one of the things too, is that the grandfather recognizes that this is a very dangerous world. They actually COULD be taken by the police, and he doesn't want them to be put into cryogenic sleep, he wants them to be able to grow up together. But of course, because of that, he has to train them to realize that whatever happens to one of them outside on the streets, has to happen to all of them, because they all have to be Karen Settman--the ONE Karen Settman. So they kind of lose their own identity. He talks about them being able to be themselves at the house. And there's a lot of flashbacks to him, training them as kids.
And what happens if they can't have two of them out on the street at the same time in case someone sees a second twin, or suddenly realizes they have seven of them in the same house. And then he also builds in basically a cry of a panic room. And has them train what'll happen in case the government comes to the door and they have to hide.
Sarah Timm
Wow.
Jojo Siu
So basically, that is the the starting premise of this story.
And of course, we show the flashbacks of how they came to this place. But then the movie starts off with Sunday returning home. And she is basically you know, she's she's lived her life, she's come back from work. And they have a very specific dress for what she looks like everyday when she goes to work. And then when she comes back to her very kind of shoddy looking hotel,
you finally realize she's got six other siblings and their practice is, at the end of every day, that she introduces, or sorry, they all have bracelets where they check in to each of the locations. And it actually--the bracelet goes to the government and tells them this is a one child only. So there's a lot of things that you know, the grandfather has clearly done to tamper with all of this technology that's in the future to make sure they're safe.
So the movie is called "What Happened to Monday?" Because on Monday, "Monday" goes out she has this big presentation where she's supposed to get promoted at work. And she goes and is very worried about her job on Monday. And then she suddenly goes missing.
Sarah Timm
Oh!
Jojo Siu
...and shortly before she goes missing, you find out that one of her co-workers is kind of threatening her and says "I know. I know your secret. You better. You better listen to me. You better give ME the promotion so that you don't get ousted"
Sarah Timm
Right.
Jojo Siu
And then she just disappears so she never comes home. The rest of the sisters don't know what's happened. And that's kind of where we start the movie. So let me move on to our costumes.
Sarah Timm
Oh, wow.
Jojo Siu
So I'm going to start actually breaking this down by character because I've given you quite a lot of backstory.
So I'm not going to necessarily go throughout the movie because they mostly stay in very similar costumes pretty much throughout the entire story. And again, this takes place pretty much over a week, because we go through each of the days.
This is just a quick, quick close up of Glenn Close, I wanted to focus very briefly on all of her costumes. Because she, at least in this picture, she reminds me a lot of Margaret Thatcher.
Sarah Timm
Yes.
Jojo Siu
And sort of the new age of the future. She's kind of trying this changing of a lot of what's happening and trying to really do good for, for controlling this overpopulation problem. And so she's kind of the face of, of this overpopulation. It's called the... Collection--I should know this--Collection something Bureaucy. But it's called CAB for short. So she runs CAB. And basically, they're the people that collect the siblings, if they find out there are more than one.
Sarah Timm
This hair.
Jojo Siu
I know, it's crazy. Her hair isn't like that the whole time. That's just the introduction, we see her in at the very beginning of the movie. So then we go to the second image of her and this is when she's in her facility. So in the CAB facilities, and you see her kind of peeping into a room full of children. And these are children that they've collected, when they found out they were siblings of other parents.
So she, she looks in the room, and it's just this group of small kids that are kind of playing around. And so she keeps talking about, "they're not going to be in pain, it'll be great."
And so this--I just wanted to focus on how beautiful this coat is. She's in a lot of like blues and greens throughout the movie, kind of very earthy tones, which is very ironic, because she's kind of she's actually kind of our villain until the very end. But I love how clean cut her look is. And again, very, very, like Prime Minister; a very "Margaret Thatcher" look.
Sarah Timm
Yeah.
Jojo Siu
And then this is the final scene. So this is actually towards the end of the movie when she's about to run for council woman. So BIG SPOILER alert, you find out that she has not been cryogenically freezing any of these siblings. She puts them into this pod, and then gives them a shot to basically, either put them to sleep or make them unconscious or whatever the series is, and then they actually get burned to death. So they all get incinerated. So you find out that she's actually just been killing all of these siblings.
Sarah Timm
I mean, that's not surprising. But the mess is.....
Jojo Siu
Right, right. Right, exactly. So, you know, you find out that she has been lying about all this stuff, she has been the face of this cryogenic, you know, CAB thing for so long. And so she is trying to run for counselor. And she's made this deal with one of the sisters to let her live in order to help her. To give her a huge donation basically to become council woman. So this is that final scene where she's talking to the sister. And this is also just a quick show of whatall of the Karen segments were when they go to work. So this is the typical outfit, every single one of them has the same exact clothing, they wear their hair exactly the same way. And you'll see kind of when we go to some of the other characters, how different they are when they're back at home. But this is kind of the image. And Monday was the first one that was born out of the seven. So she is the one that kind of starts the week. And so, when she disappears, her outfit actually is the closest to what she wears inside the house in addition to outside the house.
So I wanted to kind of show that, because that's basically what you see most of them in when they're out on the street. Okay, moving on. So this is just a quick family shot. And you can see how different each of the different family members are. Sunday is actually right at the end of the table Monday you see here is right on the...kind of right of center. And she you can see here she's got green on, but it's actually the same exact silhouette as the blue blazer that she's wearing in the previous scene. This one is Saturday, so she's kind of the party girl.
Sarah Timm
Basic, 'cause she's Saturday!
Jojo Siu
Exactly, exactly. And I'll talk a little bit more about how the costume designer decided to break up the days of the week too. Friday is right here so she's kind of got the beanie and the plaid flannel. Thursday is sort of our tomboy, skater girl, so she's kind of the one that always questions the system; doesn't understand why they have to do this; feels like she wants to break out and always wants to have her own voice. Wednesday is our kind of athletic gym rat. So she is the one that's always working out and you know, doing stuff, and then you can't really see your face, but we'll we'll get some close ups on her later. But Tuesday is kind of our hippie pot smoking nerd.
So she's the one that's always smoking and always whatever--very chill.
She's also the only one with red hair out of the...
Sarah Timm
Oh.
Jojo Siu
Seven of them. Okay, moving on. So just another quick shot, this is just what she's wearing all the time when she goes out. So she's got that dress underneath with the blue, but then she always has this blue trench coat that she wears on top. And you see her in that all the time--she's always in the same earrings. So there's a whole scene where they have almost like a technology grid, and it actually will take a look at all the blemishes on their face to make sure that they look exactly the same.
Sarah Timm
Fancy!
Jojo Siu
...whenever they go out, which is so crazy. So you have acne "here", or you're a little red "here", or your eyes are really red today or whatever it is. And then it helps them kind of figure out what they need to make up or cover up in order to look exactly the same. So again, this look is very, very contrived, every single one of them has to look exactly the same when they leave the house. The other big part is they have to tell each other what's happened in the day. Because if there's anything any conversations they had with another, you know, coworker, or they have to be consistent, they need to know exactly what the conversations were about, and all of that. So that part of their bracelet is that they actually have a little camera in there to kind of walk them through what's happened throughout the day.
And Friday, who's the tech geek is the one that kind of helps them figure out all of that.
Sarah Timm
I was thinking how hard it would be to only get to go to work once a week and have to pretend like you've been there the whole time. That's a lot of work to keep up with!
Jojo Siu
It is. SO much. And I think you know, they all start kind of feeling that eventually, because they've been growing up in this system for so long. So losing that individuality anywhere outside the house can be really hard.
Sarah Timm
Yeah.
Jojo Siu
So it was really hard to find pictures of of these costumes. So I pulled up all of these posters. So there actually won't be as many pictures for this one, Sarah, you'll be very excited.
But I wanted to kind of just go through some of the costume designers' notes on what each of the days meant for her. So like we talked a little bit about Monday. So for her "Monday would wear something a little bit softer in color, and you wouldn't necessarily think that she's softer because of what her character does."
And again, SPOILER alert, Monday actually sells her siblings out in order to try and stay alive.
And she has good reasons at the end of the movie, but the way that it's portrayed in this movie, it makes it seem like she's the villain. When you find out at the very end that she's actually fallen in love with one of the CAB officers, who doesn't know that she's a sibling, but he and her basically have been together for months. She finally decides that she wants to just be free of this life and doesn't want to have siblings.
And she's also pregnant with twins. So, in order to protect her twins, she signs this, you know agreement with Kaman who is played by Glenn Close. And so, in order to give her that huge donation to become the Councilwoman, she will be protected, her kids will be protected, and not taken.
And so, in addition to that, she has to obviously reveal that she is one of seven, Sarah: Right.
So they basically the the rest of the movie is Glenn Close and all of the agents that she sends to try and kill the rest of them. Because the fact that seven siblings have existed and have escaped her notice and not gone into cryogenic sleep, is really bad for her reputation. So rather than trying to like suddenly throw them into cryogenic sleep and make it okay, she just opts to send people to kill them.
So, of course, when Monday disappears, then Tuesday tries to go in, but has no recollection of what's happened the day before because she wasn't there. And so she gets she's the first one to kind of get taken by CAB. And so, everything after that kind of trickles after that. So Mondays, you know, we talked about that--Tuesday comes after a Monday. So she said, "which means for example, you may need to smoke more." 'Cause Monday's always the hardest. She said Wednesday, "you're realizing you smoke too much and you have to work out." So again Wednesday, it's like our gym rats. On Thursday, she said "we reboot ourselves". So you find out it for this version of Thursday. She's almost kind of like the Butch femme. So she's always in black t-shirts or white t-shirts and skinny jeans and black combat boots and she's got the short pixie cut. So she's kind of our leading lady out of the seven, if you can really call it, that besides Monday, but she's the one that kind of leads the rest of the sisters in trying to find Monday and save everyone. So Thursday is the reboot day and then Friday. She said "Maybe we choose to study more". So again, Friday is our kind of tech nerd/geek nerd. And then Saturday, "Let's drink" and Sunday: "We choose to behave and go to church".
So Sunday is actually the first one that dies. Sorry, SPOILER ALERT. But she also is the one that they talk about, that has to believe. She was always the believer, she always believed in better, she always believed in, you know, better hope for the future. And she's also always dressed in these kind of cardigans and sort of Sunday church dresses.
Sarah Timm
Yeah.
Jojo Siu
And so again, very--on the surface--very perfect and hopeful in her dress and in her costume. So when we first see her in the first scene with the sisters, she's always in these like floral prints, which I really love too. And I think the costume designer actually, I think she was the only one in really a print, everyone else was in kind of more geometric blocks or, or just plain tees. So the fact that Sunday is always our very floral and kind of natural and organic prints, this idea that she's sort of the the hopeful one. And I think that's reflected in her costume.
So Monday, again, you know, this was really the only other close up that I could find where we don't see her in the blue, because again, the rest of the movie, she's pretty much missing. And at the very end, we'll see a picture of her back in kind of like a version of the dress that she normally wears. But the way that they differentiated is the costume designer blocked off different parts of the costume, which I really loved. But again, she's she's always kind of in the same type of silhouette each time, even when she's at home. So always this idea of needing to look perfect, always being perfect. And she talks a lot about that. She's the one that's the oldest. So she always sets the example for everyone else.
Sarah Timm
Right.
Jojo Siu
This is another picture. And again, this is sort of the way that they differentiated, you know, Monday from Thursday later on, because Thursday also ends up in a dress very similar to this, but the different cut outs is how the costume designer was able to show difference. So, I think Thursday doesn't have the pink on top, it's just the the darker pink and fuchsia on the sides. Alright, so this is Tuesday. So again, kind of the very hippie dress, she's got a lot of off-the-shoulder kind of baggy sweaters, she's always wearing sort of the hippy skirts. It's a very boho look. And again, she always wears a ton of bracelets and a ton of rings. And her hair is always in two pigtails. And she's, again, the only one with red hair.
Yeah, so this is just another kind of close-up picture of that soft draped sweater that she has. Okay, so Wednesday, again, is our workout girl, she's always in a black hoodie, and some sort of sports bra, and sweat pants. Most of her scenes are her jogging, or punching a punching bag in the apartment. And when she goes out, so this is after they found out that Tuesday has been taken. Tuesday's eye has been sent back to the house with...
Sarah Timm
Oh
Jojo Siu
...agents to kill them. And so Wednesday is the first one who goes out on Wednesday and tries to escape in order to find out more information because this is when they find out that the co worker has some sort of blackmail on them. So she goes to try and find out what's happened. And of course, she's being chased around the city at this point. Because she knows that they're after her. A lot of agents have been sent after her to try and kill her. And so the other three sisters--it's Tuesday, Friday and Thursday--the tech nerd at home is basically helping her figure out where to go, how to escape all of this stuff. And she gets so close to escaping and she ends up obviously getting killed, but it's the saddest way to get killed. So all of it, of course is very athletic. She gets the most athletic time because you know, she's working out all the time. So she does the most punching and running.
Sarah Timm
You would think that if they have to make sure that they havethe same zits and stuff that one of them working out more than the others would be an issue.
Jojo Siu
Yeah, exactly.
Sarah Timm
Why does she have a bicep?
Jojo Siu
Yeah. The dress does hide a lot of their outfit.
Sarah Timm
I guess she's not in a midriff top when she goes to work.
Jojo Siu
Exactly. Most of the shape is hidden. But yeah, it's mostly face shape. You know, obviously after this scene, when she goes out on her day, she's kind of gone off the deep end. She's like, "I'm not even going to bother wearing the dress anymore", because she's got so gotten cut up at this point. They've somehow defeated the first round of agents. So her coming into this is just, "I just need to find out what's happened". And so she's kind of gone out and gone rogue a little bit. But at this point, they also know CAB realizes that there are seven of them and is trying to kill them.
Sarah Timm
Right.
Jojo Siu
So she's kind of the first one out there.
So this is just some other running shots. But again, you can see she's just, you know, her athletic day, I guess, of her just running everywhere.
And there's another one. Again, just kind of showing all the T-shirts and hoodies that she wears. Alright, so Thursday, again, very much the rebel. They show some flashback scenes of her when she is a child. And she's the first one that actually kind of messes up the system. And she talks a lot about that when she kind of confronts Monday at the very end. But there's a big scene where, as a child, she actually escapes. When it's someone else's day, she goes out andskateboards, and then comes back after the dad has realized she's gone missing. She's out there and everyone else has returned. And she comes back with her finger hanging off because she got into a skateboarding accident. And so of course, because her fingers cut, hanging off, the grandfather ends up having to cut all the other siblings fingers off. So there's this whole like, you know, this big scene just talking about the seriousness of like, Whatever happens to one of you has to happen to everybody.
And she's always the one that's like, :I want to get out of the system. Why are we doing this? None of us are living a real life".
Sarah Timm
Right.
Jojo Siu
But she is also the one that ends up...I thought I had more pictures of her. Unfortunately, I don't. There were very few pictures of her, but again, she's always the one in black. A lot of tech gear. And when I say tech gear, I mean theater tech wear: black t-shirt, black pants, black combat boots.
Sarah Timm
like she's a stagehand.
Jojo Siu
Yeah, exactly.
So then Friday is our--like I said--tech geek nerd. And she's always in these kind of oversized sweaters or oversized flannels, and everything is very hidden about her. And she's she basically is the tech geek that gets everyone, you know, where they need to go at the very end. And she and Friday do end up lasting kind of the longest. Until Thursday finally escapes. So sorry, Thursday is our Pixie girl. And then she finally, in order to let Thursday escape, she actually sacrifices herself at the very end, which is really sad. But she talks about how she needed this family. "I'm not like the rest of you. You guys are all independent, and you could do your own thing. But I never thrived without you. And like I wouldn't survive without you". So she decides to sacrifice herself instead.
And takes out some of the CAB agents with her. And then we get to Saturday.
Sarah Timm
I love her hair!
Jojo Siu
So cute. So Saturday--She's always kind of a schmoozer. So whenever she's at work, she's the one that's really great at networking. She's really great at going to parties. They have this whole thing in the very beginning where she comes back and pukes in one of the buckets and so the guy at the front desk is like, "how do you do it? You were puking yesterday, and today, you look so fresh". And that was Sunday walking out.
Sarah Timm
Right.
Jojo Siu
And so of course, it was this idea that she also didn't share all the information with everybody.
But you actually find out that even though she talks big about sleeping with everyone, she actually is a virgin, because you find out she runs into the guy that Monday is in love with and has been sleeping with for months. And she doesn't realize that he doesn't know it's not her or that it's not "Monday". So she tries to also find out information about what's happened to "Monday" by pretending to be "Monday" from within. So anyways, it's this whole thing where all the sisters sacrifice for one another, which I just thought was really interesting. But again, she's always in some kind of pink hoodie or really bright red kind of bra or bralette and some kind of jeans. This is one of the last scenes and you can see here, this is Thursday, and this is Monday. And so this is where you find out that Monday has basically betrayed all of them. Thursday is trying to save everyone and get her out.
But you find out that, obviously, she has signed off this contract to basically protect her babies.
Okay, and then just a couple other shots. You can kind of see here again Thursday, she's always in black. She's also got a black hoodie, very similar to Wednesday.
And then you can see the yellow kind of oversized cardigan, and the really bland colors on Friday. And then the pink, and she's always wearing some sort of denim and the red bra for Saturday. And then I believe this was the last one that I pulled, but I wanted to pull the last little quick image of the grandpa and then one of the kids when they're doing the training at the very beginning.
And I just wanted to pull this image because again when they got into the street--so this is the first day that he finally lets the first kid go out into the street. So prior to this, he hasn't let any of them leave the house.
Sarah Timm
Wow.
Jojo Siu
They've all been confined to the home to try and learn, you know, what their skills are. And also make sure that, you know, they understand the system; that they only can go out one day at a time. And it's funny to me that they're still wearing that dark blue blazer. This idea that they belong to the masses. And I think that was something that the costume designer talked about, too, you know, "I picked a color that kind of blended into the mass and didn't stand out because they needed to kind of disappear.
Sarah Timm
Yeah.
Jojo Siu
And also the fact that Willem DaFoe was in grandpa's comfort wear.
Sarah Timm
Yeah.
Jojo Siu
In all grays. So interestingly enough, when he's training them, there's quite a few shots with him in actually more vibrant colors. And at one point, he's actually wearing that yellow sweater that Friday's wearing, which I thought was really lovely.
Sarah Timm
That's cute.
Jojo Siu
But, you know, the rest of the time he's wearing these blacks and grays.
Sarah Timm
Yeah.
Jojo Siu
And you don't really ever find out what's happening to him either. So it's a little sad, but you know, they don't really go further into that side story.
I think that was the last of it.
So again, not too many photos for this one. But I just, you know, how do you make seven different characters with the same actress? And how do you make them all look different enough and have their own character?
I mean, Noomi is pretty amazing. She was basically acting against herself for most of it. And she mentioned that this was one of the hardest products she's ever done, because she didn't have other actors to work off of or to bounce ideas off. She had to create who that other actor was going to be.
Sarah Timm
Yeah.
Jojo Siu
And that carried over, I think, into her conversations with a costume designer as well, right?
Sarah Timm
They probably use--lots of times when they're doing stuff like that they use like a body double, but it's not someone who's going to be acting and giving you the same energy that a fellow actor would give you.
Jojo Siu
Right, right. Yeah. And they did us a couple body doubles. But I think, you know, it definitely was like, "I had to figure out who all those characters were". And I think she said she actually secluded herself for five or six months, so that she could get into the headspace of who these characters were. She was like, "it was really hard because I couldn't talk to anybody for five or six months". And I was like...
Sarah Timm
Commitment.
Jojo Siu
"That's worse than quarantine!
Sarah Timm
I feel like we always hear about famous male actors who goes super method. Why aren't we talking about Noomi Rapace? Clearly she's...
Jojo Siu
Yeah.
Sarah Timm
Super method. She's committed. Wow.
Jojo Siu
But yeah, and you definitely see how different the little ticks are in each of her characters, even for this movie. So yes, I would highly suggest it. Again, the story plot--there's a lot of plot holes. So I think that's what a lot of critics have said about this movie. And again, it is very close to whatever the episode of "Black Mirror" was...
Sarah Timm
I was thinking it sounds like "Orphan Black".
Jojo Siu
Maybe that's what it is. Maybe they meant "Orphan Black". I could have...misquoted that.
Sarah Timm
"I've seen "Black Mirror", but it's been a long time since I've seen certain episodes. So it might be an older one that I don't remember.
Jojo Siu
Yeah, that's true.
Sarah Timm
Orphan Black is the one where Tatiana Maslany plays clones.
Jojo Siu
Oh, yes, then that's the one. Sorry, I misquoted that. So it's definitely "Orphan Black". But yeah, I know, they took it off with some other idea because that was one of the big criticisms that they got. They were like, "well, it's nothing new. And the storyline is kind of unfinished."
Sarah Timm
Interesting.
Jojo Siu
Yeah.
Sarah Timm
Interesting concept.
Jojo Siu
Yeah. Yeah. It was definitely one of those movies that I kind of stumbled across and then I was like pleasantly surprised.
Sarah Timm
Cool. Well, great job!
Jojo Siu
Thank you!
Sarah Timm
Okay, are we ready for me? This was a request--my movie that I'm covering. My dear friend Christie messaged us and requested this movie, I think, over Instagram.
I'm covering "Tron: Legacy", which is a movie I hadn't seen since it came out. And I forgot how fun it is. It's very fun. So, a little bit of background. It's this is a Disney movie. So take with that what you will. It's directed by Joseph Kosinski. And this movie is his directorial debut, which blew my brains. I could not believe that this high budget and big of a movie was somebody's directorial debut. And I I did a little googling because I was like, How on earth did he get the job, then...
Jojo Siu
Yeah!
Sarah Timm
...if he's never directed anything? so I found a New York TimesNew York Times article that says, and this is a direct quote, "it sounds corny, but it all started back in 2007, with one guy who believed in him--Shawn Bailey, a Disney producer, who was trying to figure out how to reinvent Tron. Mr. Bailey had heard through the Hollywood grapevine about a director
of commercials, which is Joseph Kosinski, who had an unusual visual style." And the article kind of went into how this happens sometimes with really big studios; they'll give a big budget movie to somebody who has only done a few commercials. And some people think it's because a first time director will be easier to control by a big studio, you know. A bigger name will come in with an artistic vision and be like, "Well, I'm not conforming to your corporate Disney whatever. I'm going to do what I want."
But then also, like, the more optimistic view of that is, it doesn't matter, your resume if you have the right vision and the right, you know, artistic gumption to go and get it. But I will say that, like, I don't think that if he This might sound cynical, but I think that like, especially in 2010, when this movie came out, I don't think if he were non white, and not a man that he would have gotten this big of a chance.
Jojo Siu
Agreed. Sad, but true.
Sarah Timm
Yeah. When I've heard of that kind of thing happening, where it's like, oh, my god, he's only directed five music videos. And they gave him a superhero movies indirect like it's usually a white man that they're talking about, unfortunately. So yeah, that was an interesting thing to learn.
Jojo Siu
Yeah.
Sarah Timm
Yeah. The costumes were co-designed. So two people--Christine...Christine, Bieselin Clark. I'm just gonna say that's how you pronounce that, who has worked on "Star Trek Picard", "Maze Runner" and "Ender's Game". And then the other designer is Michael Wilkinson, whose name you might recognize because he did "Jingle Jangle".
Jojo Siu
Yeah.
Sarah Timm
So he's done a lot of Zack Snyder's like "Justice League" franchise movies, "Aladdin", "300" and "Garden State".
Jojo Siu
"Oh Garden State". I haven't seen that movie in so long.
Sarah Timm
That's a good one.
So yeah, interesting. I think it kind of makes sense that like two people do the costumes. This is it's, it seems like a very collaborative design these costumes, because like, the visual style of the movie is so distinct that like the production design, and the costume design, and the special effects are all kind of hand-in-hand. So it's a real team effort. It seems just, that's just my view of it. So let's begin. This is...
Yay!
...the beginning of the movie. Oh, I will say I have not seen the first "Tron". So
Neither have I.
So one of my first notes was, "I need someone to explain to me what the grid is, because I still don't quite really know."
I don't know.
Jojo Siu
I am probably just as lost as you are.
So I don't know that I'd be much help.
Sarah Timm
It's a virtual reality space. That's what I've, that's as far as I got. It's like a computer--digitized--but it's like a world you can enter, but it's in the computer.
Jojo Siu
That was a very good explanation, Sarah.
Sarah Timm
Thanks so much.
So this is the opening. Basically, the basic plot is: Jeff Bridges who's in the first "Tron" was the founder of this, sort of, tech company. But he went missing in 1989. And his son is now technically the head of the company, but isn't involved at all, I think, and he's kind of like a rebel guy, he doesn't care about the company. And it seems like these people--the suits--are interested in making money and exploiting the technology. Whereas Jeff Bridges--his character, Flynn--was interested in open source software and making it available for everybody and sharing it. So that's kind of where we come in, is in this board meeting, where they're gonna release this program, I don't know, whatever computer thing.
Jojo Siu
We are so not sci-fi, tech nerds,
Sarah Timm
Computer thing, great.
Jojo Siu
Whatever that is.
Sarah Timm
So I this boardroom scene is interesting to me, because they're all wearing the same color, which is sort of like a slate gray, black. And it's funny to me, because, you would think that we would really want to differentiate this world--the real world--from the grid that we enter later, but the color scheme is kind of the same, which is kind of funny. And interesting that the corporate world doesn't look that different from the sci-fi computer world. I didn't realize that I would sound so dumb describing this movie.
Jojo Siu
It's okay, you and me both. I was like, I can't help you with any of those technology terms.
Sarah Timm
It doesn't really matter to my understanding, like costumes, I think, right? I don't feel too bad about it. Okay, so this is actually Killian Murphy who I was like, Killian Murphy's in this movie?
Jojo Siu
Jojo: I almost didn't recognize him.
Sarah Timm
Apparently he's uncredited, this is an uncredited cameo appearance. Yeah!
Jojo Siu
Uncredited?
Sarah Timm
I know
Jojo Siu
Did HE put that in or did someone else?
Sarah Timm
Did he wander by the set one day? How did this come about? He was just like walking by in the scene and said "Okay, I'll be that dude." But this look is interesting because he looks different from everybody else because he's like the young, hotshot guy. And this already looks very dated to me, even though it's only 10 years old, and I think it's the hair.
Jojo Siu
Yeah.
Sarah Timm
It's very floppy
Jojo Siu
I was gonna say it's that very wind swept look for guys
Sarah Timm
Yeah. That sort of Justin Bieber, Zac Efron, late 2000s...*hand motion*
Jojo Siu
I love how THIS is,
...This is the hands motion
Hand motion over the forehead to portray the bangs.
Sarah Timm
Yeah. And you can tell he's so cool because he's not wearing a blazer, unlike everyone else. He's so cool.
Jojo Siu
Less layers, equals cool.
Sarah Timm
My arms are out so I'm cool. Moving on. So, this is Alan and apparently he's in the first "Tron" as well. So he was like Flynn's right hand man, kind of guy. And he comes to Sam the son with his pager and he's like "I got a page from your dad". And it's like, what? First of all, you got a page in 2010? Okay. And I like his look because he's bringing with him sort of the old school, into the modern day, sort of like a rumpled trench coat, almost film noir because his collars up a little bit, Detective-y sort of land he brings an air of mystery right? Because he's like, "I got a page from your dad who's been missing since 1989. You should go to the arcade to see where the signal's coming from or whatever. So he basically gets the plot going, and I like that the person with the mystery looks like a Noir detective. I think that's kind of a fun little touch.
Jojo Siu
Yeah it was a lot of Noir in this movie, and I don't think I thought about that until you said that.
Sarah Timm
I think, yeah,
...is sci fi noir a thing because that could be
Jojo Siu
...It could be, because they definitely bring in elements of that kind of Noir,like 1930s. I think of like the 1930s Film Noir. But yeah, I definitely feel like I don't know that I realized that until I was looking at this picture again. I was like "oh yeah!"
Sarah Timm
I think he is the most Noir out of the characters for sure.
Jojo Siu
Trench coat definitely says that,
Sarah Timm
Yes, yes. And I also like how he's less corporate, you know, but he's sort of--I don't know what color exactly this trench coat is; it looks brown in this picture, I'm not sure if it is--He looks a little bit earthier, you know, so he's not the corporate greed machine that everybody else at the company is. He's still got the original vision in his heart.
Jojo Siu
Yeah.
Sarah Timm
so this is Sam, the son, before he goes into the grid. This is his everyday look. And I, I like it. I think it's a little bit generic, it's a little bit like Disney version of a bad boy. Which makes sense because it's a Disney movie.
Jojo Siu
Yeah.
Sarah Timm
I wrote in my notes that I think if this movie was made today this outfit would have more personality than it does in this. I like the aging of the jacket, maybe it was his dad's, you know. It's old, but otherwise, he's just kind of wearing jeans and a hoodie and I feel like he could have something, you know, a little bit of pattern.
Jojo Siu
Yeah
Sarah Timm
...little bit more texture to kind of, because I really don't know anything about him still after watching.
Jojo Siu
Right
Sarah Timm
he doesn't have that much of a personality to speak of. So, I think he...
Jojo Siu
Does he wear this the whole time?
Sarah Timm
He wears it for the whole opening scene, but once it gets into the grid they put him into a light suit.
Jojo Siu
Right, right. Okay.
Sarah Timm
So this is all we get to see of like his own wardrobe. So
Jojo Siu
yeah,
Sarah Timm
This is it? And later in this shot, he's in the front right here. It's blurry, but he's just wearing a gray t shirt and I'm like,
Jojo Siu
very indistinct
Sarah Timm
You couldn't at least do like what transformers did and Shia LaBeouf was wearing like a "Strokes" t-shirt. Like it couldn't even be like a Rolling Stones t-shirt or something. It had to just be a solid gray--that makes me sad.
Jojo Siu
I wonder how much of this was budget too though, although it's...you know, it's Disney, so I don't really know. Because I know sometimes with other brand names, you have to be really careful that you're not stuck with a copyright but it's Disney. So you think they'd have a lot more budget
Sarah Timm
A stripe? or a Plaid?
Jojo Siu
Yeah, some kind of pattern.
Sarah Timm
A color? I don't know, maybe it's to communic-I mean, he's supposed to be like the rebel though, so hhe shouldn't fit in with the nondescript corporate-ness and he lives in this cool, under the bridge, apartment thing. So I think he could be cooler, his outfit could be cooler. That's all. Okay, so here we are in the grid. Welcome,
Jojo Siu
So different.
Sarah Timm
So this is him. He basically enters the grid by accident and then just kind of gets ferried along to different places and things happen to him and he's not he has no agency things are justbeing done to him. So this is them getting him ready to compete in some sort of games against other things on the light cycles and stuff. These characters--these female characters are called "sirens", which I was like, of course they are. Sure,
Jojo Siu
yeah.
Sarah Timm
And they basically are in charge of outfitting him for, for the games, and I feel a bit conflicted about the female characters in this movie, because they seem pretty over-sexualized in their appearance. But I had to remind myself that like this digital world was made by a man in the 80s, technically. So like...
Jojo Siu
Right
Sarah Timm
...if it's all this one guy his vision, and he's just a straight dude in the 80s Of course he's like "well, the girls and it all have to be super sexy, you know"
Jojo Siu
Right, right.
Sarah Timm
I don't know, I don't I'm still not sure how I feel about it because I was just like, why? what? You know, you can kind of see on the right here, this little shell thing. They basically come out of these little holes in the wall. And this little door closes over them and theyhibernate, until it's time again, and the shell that closes over them, has boobs on it, it's like molded to look like a lady's body.
Jojo Siu
Yeah
Sarah Timm
So it's things like that was like did we have to do that I don't think we did.
Jojo Siu
That part was unnecessary.
Sarah Timm
And even their, their outfits so they're unitard, you can see on this second-from-the-right girl. It has the outline of almost bikini underwear, and none of the men's costumes have an outline.
Jojo Siu
Right, right.
Sarah Timm
So it's...And then they're wearing these high heels and it's like why would that be a thing? Why do they need high heels? Is it because Flynn designed this world and was like, "the gotta be hot." I don't know.
Jojo Siu
Yeah, yeah, exactly. The 80s.
Sarah Timm
Yeah I mean it's is it like is it supposed to be like the 80s vision of a future and if so then yeah it makes sense.
Jojo Siu
Right.
Sarah Timm
And I have a shot of the high heeled too, which is very interesting--has a bar thing on it.
Jojo Siu
Yeah, it's crazy because I think on the one on the right it looks shorter, and then on the one on the left, it looks taller, and I don't understand. Yeah, 'cause her... yeah her heels are shorter!
Sarah Timm
Also hers looks like it doesn't have the...
Jojo Siu
Doesn't have the bar.
Sarah Timm
It doesn't look like the same girl...
Jojo Siu
Yeah,
Sarah Timm
That's weird. Maybe she was taller than the other one? Maybe they had to make them all the same height. And they were like nobody...
Jojo Siu
Oh yeah. Like at least in the image, they needed to look the same height.
Sarah Timm
Yeah, because I think they're supposed to be...you know, they're digitized, they're not real humans. They're digitized right programs or whatever they're called. So...
Jojo Siu
right,
Sarah Timm
they had to be the same. But, yeah, maybe that was to make them all the same height. Because that girl comes back later, she has a speaking role.
Jojo Siu
Oh, okay.
Sarah Timm
I don't know. Yeah. Interesting.
Jojo Siu
Interesting.
Sarah Timm
So here's Sam and his life suit, I have a couple shots of it. It's cool. These, I think that these costumes are very successful these light suits. It doesn't look new to us now, but I remember in 2010 thinking like how cool and futuristic it looked.
Jojo Siu
Yeah, I remember that too.
Sarah Timm
And I have some information about how they were made because I was like...
Jojo Siu
Yeah.
Sarah Timm
Is the light, practical? And the answer is yes! Which blew my mind!
Jojo Siu
So cool!
Sarah Timm
All the light on all the costumes is practical. It's real; it's not added in CG. Yeah,
Jojo Siu
I love that it's like.
Sarah Timm
So I watched...
Jojo Siu
Was it like E-L wire?
Sarah Timm
Well I'll read to you! I watched some YouTube videos and I'll link the YouTube video that I watched because it's really interesting to see them sort of like building them, they had a couple shots of their shop. So, this is from Wikipedia, "the skin-tight suits are reminiscent of the outfits worn by the actors in the original film. They designed the lighting costumes, which used electro-luminescent lamps, derived from a flexible polymer film, and featured hexagonal patterns, the lights pass through the suit via light tape, says something about lamination and phosphorus I don't understand. To make it a different color, they put different colors of vinyl. Prior to lamination, so apparently... this kind of...I thought about this too was, nowadays you can get fiber optic fabric and lights can basically be fabric now, which is amazing. But in 2010, flexible light that you could use in costumes was a really new idea, so they basically....it was a very new invention and they had to kind of just like figure it out as they went along, because they didn't
Jojo Siu
Yeah
Sarah Timm
they were talking in this behind the scenes thing about how they didn't know how they would make flexible lights and I was like, don't they make strips that you can put on whatever? And then I was like...
Jojo Siu
Yeah I was gonna say, LED tape is very available now.
Sarah Timm
Yeah, so that must be, you know like within the last 10 years that that has been so common and easy to get. So, it was just fascinating to me I was just thinking this is great!
Jojo Siu
Leave it up to Disney to be the first ones to figure it out though!
Sarah Timm
right. So, these suits were kind of like a collaboration between the special effects department and the costuming department, because, the shell part, especially the torsos, they're made out of foam latex, so they're basically sculpted. If you've ever watched "Face Off" the special effects makeup show where they sculpt, and then they mold foam latex, it's basically like that, where you pour it into a mold and peel it out and it's one piece, you know, and then they applied the lights and stuff, and then they would have fabric
Jojo Siu
Wow
Sarah Timm
...suits underneath.
I know can you believe?
Jojo Siu
So many layers!
Sarah Timm
Yes!
Jojo Siu
It's why you gotta have a big budget for this movie!
Sarah Timm
Good segue, because the blonde lady from that siren scene, who talks about her. Her character's name is Gem. She said, it showed her sort of getting dressed and she said that there was, they're basically wearing four layers, so their first layer is foundation garments so the women would be in sort of like a waist cincher and you know Spanx and stuff to hold you in. And then there was a, just a body suit over that. And then there was the electronics layer, and then there was sort of like a latex-y outer layer that felt sort of like balloon rubber, apparently on hers, and the sirens.
Jojo Siu
So....they're giant....condoms?
Sarah Timm
Well, it showed what behind-the-scenes and one of them was getting wiped down. Somebody was shining it with a cloth.
Jojo Siu
Oh gosh, that just sounds so crazy. I mean these look phenomenal, they don't look like they're wearing four layers of clothing, right. I can't imagine what that feels like.
Sarah Timm
I mean Beyonce literally wears three layers of tights doesn't she? So, you do you have to.
Jojo Siu
True, true.
Sarah Timm
So yeah!
Jojo Siu
That's funny.
Sarah Timm
I mean, it literally blew my mind to watch that. I would encourage everybody to watch the video. And the other important thing is that this is a digital world, so the clothes don't exist in a real way so they had to think about what clothes would look like if they weren't made like clothes. How does...What do clothes look like if they haven't been sewn together? If they've just been
Jojo Siu
Yeah.
Sarah Timm
Created out of...
Just been created out of pixels.
Pixels...Yeah, so they tried to hide seams. There was no visible closures, no buttons and zippers, stuff like that, because, as you can see in the picture with the sirens it just materializes on to him, you know. He doesn't need to step into it, in the movie. Just...It's super fascinating. I learned a lot,
Jojo Siu
So cool.
Sarah Timm
...On this,
Jojo Siu
I mean this is why we all thought it was so exciting when we saw this movie because it was just, it really was nothing we had ever seen.
Sarah Timm
Yes, yeah.
Jojo Siu
So yeah, it's pretty cool.
Sarah Timm
Yeah, I think cynically I was like well it's all probably CG, you know. And then I watched it and I was, I felt, you know, I felt so much excitement and wonder, like it wasn't just digital.
So, moving on.
Jojo Siu
Sorry I side-tracked us.
Sarah Timm
This is "Clue". Yeah Clue, which is like a version of Jeff Bridges, but it's like a computer that just looks like him and I pulled this because I hate the young face that they did. It.... Even now...
Jojo Siu
It's sooo creepy.
Sarah Timm
Yes, it looks like a SIM and even now, when they do the aging down digitally, I've never seen that and been like, "well that's convincing and not creepy". It's ALWAYS creepy to me. So I pulled that just so everybody else can be creeped out as well together. I love this outfit, it's very Kylo Ren, Darth Vader, but Tron version it's like a cool asymmetrical cloak with...and he has yellow light, and I think that the colors of light had something to do with their ranks, you know. I didn't, super look into what was what. But you know, the regular programs have just white and then he and his right-hand man over here kind of have different colors. And then I got this of it on display, so that we can kind of see more what it looks like.
Jojo Siu
Yeah, I was curious was the other side of that jacket looked like.
Sarah Timm
Yeah, and it's funny because it looks...
Jojo Siu
It's so crazy it looks like paper.
Sarah Timm
I know it looks a little bit cheesy just, you know, it looks like masking tape or something.
Jojo Siu
Right,
Sarah Timm
but in the in the movie, it looks so rad,
Jojo Siu
so crazy.
Sarah Timm
Yeah, I want to wear one.
Jojo Siu
I know. Disney can you rent out some of your Tron outfits so that we can just have a dress up day?
Sarah Timm
Can I borrow it um....real quick, real quick, just like five minutes.
Jojo Siu
I just need like a selfie andthen and then I'll be good.
Sarah Timm
Did I read anything else I don't think I did. I just wrote he looks very evil. There's something about a long black coat that looks pretty evil. So this is Cora played by Olivia Wilde.
Jojo Siu
She's so pretty.
Sarah Timm
She's one of like, you know, five women that we see. Those are my feelings on that. She's one of two who speaks.
Jojo Siu
Let's pause and hesitate... for a moment of silence,
Sarah Timm
and I feel kind of the same about her as I do about the sexy siren girls, which is like...Yes, her outfit looks really good--she looks great--but did it have to be...you would think in a future world where gender doesn't really matter that outfits between men and women would look more similar, but like I said, if Flynn invented it, and he was a straight man and he wants to see sexy women then the women look sexy. So, here's the classic shot of her on the weird couch thing. And of course she's in a high heel. She has, you know what, what else do we expect? And then she has a cold shoulder and nobody else has a shoulder cut out. So I thought that was interesting.
Jojo Siu
Yeah, some differences.
Sarah Timm
I like her hair a lot, too.
Jojo Siu
I like the asymmetrical being.
Sarah Timm
Yeah, I think that haircut is really cute. And interestingly, she and Gem--the other woman--both wear really heavy, black eye makeup. And this is another thing, where if they made a "Tron" today, I think more of the men would be in makeup too, 'cause I think that today we're more free and open with gender expression in a way where, I think if we were inventing a cool sci-fi world where there was cool makeup, it would be on all genders of people, not just women.
Jojo Siu
It makes me think of...well, just because you were saying that, I was thinking of Aqua Man, because, he wears so much eye make-up.
Sarah Timm
I've heard that that's a fun sort of like campy movie.
Jojo Siu
It is...it...the storyline is like, whatever. I wouldn't watch it from that but, he's definitely got some dark eye makeup. It's very Egyptian-looking almost, 'cause he's got like the Kohl, you know, kind of outline of the eye.
Sarah Timm
Well Jason Momoa--him in a smoky eye , I'll take that all day long.
Jojo Siu
Yeah, it looks very good on him. But yeah, it made me think of that when you said, it's more acceptable across genders,
Sarah Timm
Yeah, yeah, I mean, I'm going to talk about Michael Sheen...well....no...in a second. When he wears makeup, but h e's also sort of like a flamboyant character so it's sort of, she was in this movie. Yeah, he's really good too. So this is Gem, the siren from before. And she kind of comes along to sort of help him get to his next destination or whatever and talk to the people he needs to talk to, to help his dad escape. Because he does find his dad, inside the grid. I feel like the details of the plot are not that important. We, you know
Jojo Siu
I don't remember much of this plot from this movie.
Sarah Timm
The plot is we're in the grid and we got to get out. That's basically it.
Jojo Siu
Yep.
Sarah Timm
I love. So where...did I pull--Yes. So this is how we see her approaching. She has this really cool clear umbrella. And this feels like a very direct "Blade Runner" reference for me, which I have not seen, but I know that they have light-up umbrellas in it. I know that
It's been a very long time. We watched Blade Runner, at school. And I haven't seen the new one. But the old one messed me up so bad that I was like I don't know if I want to see the new one. It's just one of those--it's like--I don't know you feel very unsettled but in like a different way than a horror movie, you know what I mean. But yes, that was one of those movies that I walked out of that room being like, "I feel like my soul has been sucked from my body"
Wow! I've seen some like feminist critique of it so it hasn't made me super excited to watch it just because I like watching feminist movies but I feel like as a reference point, it's kind of an important thing to know, you know to be familiar with.
Jojo Siu
yeah, there's a lot of film references that go back to Blade Runner. Yeah, which is why it was such a big deal, but yeah, it...
Sarah Timm
right
Jojo Siu
it makes you very sad at the very end.
Sarah Timm
I believe it.
Jojo Siu
'Cause...everything is just sad in that movie.
Sarah Timm
Yeah, we'll get around to it eventually. Yeah so...
Jojo Siu
Maybe we'll make a movie night at that one.
Sarah Timm
That coud be fun! And then we can cover it...
Jojo Siu
If I watched it with someone else, maybe I would have like a redeeming something or other for that movie.
Sarah Timm
It would be one to watch it together as an activity for the podcast and then think about it.
Jojo Siu
yeah, absolutely.
Sarah Timm
Imagine.
Jojo Siu
Future podcast episode.
Sarah Timm
Future plans.
Yeah so that that's...even though I haven't seen it, I know about the umbrella and the rain and Blade Runner so that feels like a little nod, a little homage. Yeah. And then she has this clear sort of rainbow thing which I thought was interesting, it's fun to see the play of light coming through it. And then there's her with her little bikini outline on her unitard
Jojo Siu
Of course.
Sarah Timm
Yeah. This is Michael Sheen.
Jojo Siu
Yes, I forgot about that. Now I remember his character.
Sarah Timm
Yeah, so his character name is Zeus, and he's kind of...He's a bad guy. He ends up being a bad guy, but at first we don't know he's a bad guy and he's kind of just at this party, at this sort of nightclub thing, where there's a Daft Punk cameo--very fun because they did the soundtrack--and he said that his character is sort of inspired by the MC from cabaret, or Dr Frankenfurter
Jojo Siu
I can see that.
Sarah Timm
Yeah, a little bit David Bowie, sort of flamboyant glam rock, sort of, circus-y guy, and I like how his outfit is obviously in the same world as everybody else's, but it's not exactly the same. He's got a unitard, but it's not as skin tight as everybody else's. It kind of looks more like what we know of as a tail coat.
Jojo Siu
Yeah.
Sarah Timm
And see, like right there, it's got...It does have tails and then he's sort of wearing a flair. And a bit of a heel too, which is fun.
Jojo Siu
It's a little 1970s.
Sarah Timm
Yeah.
Jojo Siu
But in....
Sarah Timm
A little Ziggy Stardust, action.
Jojo Siu
Tech white.
Sarah Timm
Yeah. So I thought that was cool and apparently he could not really sit in his costume, which is interesting to me because it doesn't look like it's made out of something he couldn't sit in.
Jojo Siu
Skin tight.
Sarah Timm
But what do I know.
Jojo Siu
Right.
Sarah Timm
And then he has this lightup cane, which is really fun. It's, you can see right here, it's clear, and then it lights up and then he shoots lasers with it, which is kind of cool. So then this is a shot of his face, so you can see his got these crazy contacts and makeup and then, you know everybody is really pale, because there's a whole plot point with Cora where she's like, "what does the sun look like," you know, "I want to see the sun." Right, so they're all pale,
Jojo Siu
They don't know what it looks like.
Sarah Timm
They dont' know what the sun is.
And then, this is my last costume I want to talk about. This is Flynn. So, I didn't talk about him much because I had to kind of edit myself down, I had too many pictures, but the costume designer said that he is more organic, whereas he's against this very tech non-organic backdrop. Everybody else looks very sci-fi and futuristic, and he looks a little bit earthier, and they said, "Eastern influence" I think and I can tell, kind of, because in this shot, this garment scene looks Asian, so that's interesting.
Jojo Siu
The double layering of the crossed...cross-body robe as well.
Sarah Timm
Yeah, but I love this cloak. So this cloak is just kind of a hooded cloak, but it has this facing of the light strip. So a facing is on the inside for those who don't know, it's sort of like this strip of fabric that folds to the inside of your garment. So here's a shot of just you know, with the hood so when he has his hood up, it just lights his face and I just think it's so freakin cool. I want one.
Jojo Siu
I feel like...there was a project that I wanted to do way back when, where I wanted a hood with just the inside lit up. Oh it was for "Into the Woods".
Sarah Timm
Oh.
Jojo Siu
I was trying to create a hood for for my witch that just had lights on the inside, and I wasn't even thinking about this, but now that I think about it I was like, "oh, maybe that's what I got the inspiration from."
Sarah Timm
I mean, it's a new idea, but it's not. I really love Disneyland parades, and I love when a light for the actor's face is incorporated into their costume so if it's a nighttime parade like the "Electrical Parade", or "Paint the night", the fairies will have a little antenna, and then the antenna have tiny little spotlights so that you can see the performers face at night. I love something like that that is very...it's practical. It has a function, but it's also really cool looking.
Jojo Siu
Yeah, that's like intentional, they make it look like it's part of it.
Sarah Timm
Yeah, it's part of the costume but it also serves a purpose and it just looks really rad, so it's like, ding ding ding you got all the things you need.
Jojo Siu
Yep! Exactly.
Sarah Timm
And then this coat has sort of a split. It has different panels and all of them are sort of outlined in it, so when he swishes around, you can see the light fans out, and it just looks really rad.
Jojo Siu
That part is really cool. I mean, the hood too, is very cool, but I like that he's got all the, all the edges kind of lit up.
Sarah Timm
I saw it and I was just like, *gasp!
Jojo Siu
So cool!
Sarah Timm
Let's see. Did I say anything else about...I think I pretty much covered everything. Yeah, I did. It was fun to watch this movie and like I said the plot: I didn't really pay super attention to it and I was just like "okay we're in the grid, we got to get out of the grid, I'll just look now at the costumes. It's a fun, you know sci-fi adventure sort of movie and that tidbit about the light on all the costumes being practical really made me have a new respect for it.
Jojo Siu
Yeah, for sure. It shows you a lot, I mean it's, it's different. It doesn't mean that CGI isn't also a lot of work but it's, it's different when you know that it's actually working on the costume, built into the process, as opposed to an after effect.
Sarah Timm
Yes, and I respect CGI artists so much. I saw this whole Twitter thread recently about how so many directors nowadays are using it as a point of pride to use less CG and act like they're not using CG, where in reality like CG can be used for anything from getting rid of pit stains, to fixing the color or something so acting like movies don't have CG when they do is kind of insulting to the artists who spend hours doing their work. So, I do respect CGI artists and obviously this movie has a ton of that in it.
Jojo Siu
Right.
Sarah Timm
But it is really exciting to know that there were other art types of artists who got to innovate and collaborate on this sort of new technology that ended up being used for the movie.
Jojo Siu
Yeah! Super exciting, and we should celebrate all that!
Sarah Timm
Yes, yeah, I mean everybody's role in the movie is really important, you know, down to the down to the grips and the PA's and stuff.
Jojo Siu
Absolutely!
Sarah Timm
That's the beauty of entertainment, is it really is always a group effort.
Jojo Siu
Yep, very true.
Sarah Timm
Yeah, so that's "Tron Legacy".
Jojo Siu
Yay! So exciting! We picked some good Sci-fi ones.
Sarah Timm
Yeah, this...this was a fun one! I liked both of these movies that we covered,
Jojo Siu
I have to rewatch this movie again it's been a while since I've seen it.
Sarah Timm
I was shook to find out that it is not on Disney plus, and the first one...
Jojo Siu
Really!
Sarah Timm
is, and then some animated Tron thing is also on there, and I was like "Excuse me! What?"
Jojo Siu
Theyr'e still under Disney right?
Sarah Timm
Yeah, so I watched it with a method I will not discuss. I did watch it. That's just being real there.
Jojo Siu
Thanks Sarah.
Sarah Timm
But it's not on Disney plus. I mean, at least it wasn't when I looked.
Jojo Siu
Yeah.
Sarah Timm
You know, a few days ago,
Jojo Siu
Well, maybe someone will hear this podcast and put it on.
Sarah Timm
Disney plus if you're listening, put it back.
Jojo Siu
Give us back our Tron Legacy.
Sarah Timm
People need to see it and look at the costumes!
Jojo Siu
All right, thank you so much, Sarah. That was so fun.
Sarah Timm
Thank you Jojo.
Jojo Siu
I'm glad we covered some fun movies today.
Sarah Timm
Yeah.
Jojo Siu
You know, even with the horror movie.
Sarah Timm
As always, get in touch. Let us know if you agree or disagree with us. Give us feedback, or requests: movies or TV shows or theater pieces, or even something else. I don't know SNL sketches, music videos, anything you
Jojo Siu
Yeah
Sarah Timm
want us to talk about,
let us know.
I know eventually we'll cover some non-traditional things I'm excited.
Hopefully we'll have time, yeah, to record another bonus episode soon. And maybe
Jojo Siu
Yeah, definitely.
Sarah Timm
we can do a smaller something, because I definitely would love the opportunity to talk about BTS.
Jojo Siu
Always! Always, Sarah, I expected nothing less.
Sarah Timm
Thank you so much.
Jojo Siu
Oh yes. Yeah, please, keep writing us and keep reviewing us and keep spreading the word to your friends, we are nothing without our listeners. So we love having people chime in and give us comments and notes and just tell us more information because we're always learning.
Sarah Timm
Oh yeah, that's that's the whole, the fun part of this and also I say this to my friends and people who listen all the time. I'm like, I think we have something really good, and there is an audience for this, we just need to find them. So if you have people in your life who you think would enjoy this podcast, please share it with them.
Jojo Siu
Yes.
Sarah Timm
Get us into their ear holes. We would really appreciate it.
Jojo Siu
Absolutely. Thanks again, and we look forward to talking with you guys in two weeks.
Sarah Timm
Yep, see you then. Bye.
Jojo Siu
Bye.
Sarah Timm
Oh, I guess I can stop sharing my screen.
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