#Meta Apes

[veveisveryuncool]

EXAM SEASON IS OVER BABEY‼️‼️‼️ had to bring back burnt out ap student kirby to celebrate

[dailymetanaito]

Day 261 🦭

[dandelionjack]

already seen people calling the marti subplot “unnecessary”. because ruby didn’t turn to the camera and proclaim Abuse And Harassment Are Bad apparently that makes her a moral failure. also seeing the argument “this is a childrens show so it’s inappropriate” okay miss Hays Code, you think a 12 year old will be corrupted or something if they notice a realistic scene of a politician exercising his absolute power to control and manipulate women in his entourage? even when it’s subtext, not stated outright? tfw got so woke you accidentally looped right back to being a conservative pearl-clutcher.

needless to say that even from a story perspective marti’s presence fleshes out what would have been quite a cartoonish villain (teehee wouldn’t it be cool to nuke the world!) into a genuine 3-dimensional representation of evil. the media literacy crisis is getting dire

[eatsbooks]

so what do you think the autumn court’s political system actually looks like?

feudalism !! i think that system fits well for a few different reasons:

canonically, we already know that beron parcels out the land for his sons to rule over in his stead. a feudalistic system would explain why he decided to have so many children to begin with — more sons = more vassals to swear fealty to him, ones that he can better ensure the loyalty of than those of other bloodlines. this further helps to cement vanserra reign. with seven! sons!! he can effectively bump all the other non-vanserra nobles who oversaw parcels of land down the hierarchy, ensuring all are beneath not only him as high lord but also beneath another vanserra lord to boot. it also explains why the younger vanserra boys are so antagonistic towards one another, even knowing the unlikelihood that they will actually become heir — with their brothers out of the picture or just out of their father's favor, they have the opportunity to accrue more power by expanding their provinces or even taking over one another's.

we also know the common folk are suffering while the aristocracy is flourishing. if none of the land they tend actually belongs to them and all of their profits eventually find their way to beron, whether it's coin for rent or the crops they harvest that will ultimately be sold, in exchange for protections that are rarely actually received, this lends more credence to a discomfited autumn court population that is too disenfranchised to do anything about it.

plus there's more fun political drama amongst the vassals and nobles this way! everything has to move up and through this chain of command, which means the corruption can be systemic and spread beyond beron's rule. makes it even harder for eris to enact widespread reform. yummy.

autumn land is always fertile. i guess that's a personal hc more than anything canon, but i feel like that makes sense. anything can be grown, no matter the season, and the soil is always rich, even after a harvest. feudalism is the easiest way to ensure all of the land is being utilized to its fullest, most profitable extent without beron having to overextend himself as a ruler.

while this makes it more difficult for widespread reform, feudalism would give eris more room to maneuver in his own province. in the same way that there's more opportunity for corruption, there is also more opportunity for him to enact positive change — as long as he is coming up with enough coin / crops / what have you to meet quota, he can largely rule as he sees fit without beron's scrutiny. plus, with the land parceled and an isolated sect of nobility beneath him, it's easier to keep any differences in the way he rules compared to his father or his brothers contained. it even fits in with the respect and loyalty he has for his own guard / soldiers versus those of his father — they come from his province, they are his people.

a feudalistic system also gives beron an even better reason beyond just being power-hungry to want to expand his territory in acosf by allying with briallyn. he needs more land to make more profit! and spring might not function exactly like autumn, but it is no doubt the closest when it comes to fertile and bountiful land.

[ambafaerie]

Noa and Mae Parallels

• Noa and Mae are young adults who are let outside the comforts of their home to prove themselves to their society. Noa with the Eagle clan and Mae with the underground humans.

• They were born in the planet of the apes. Where Noa has barely much knowledge of the past, especially human history whereas Mae was raised on stories of when humans used to rule over apes.

• Until they met each other, they only knew of the other’s species as either mute primitives animals or violent apes.

• They both work to save their respective people from Proximus, though where Noa frees his clan from him, Mae steals a device from Proximus’ domain that will help her people contact with other human settlements.

• The elders of their respective species try to tell them to accept the current reality of their situation, but both refuse. Mae rejects Trevathan’s insistence that the world now belongs to the apes and try to coexist with them. Their scene is followed by Dar telling Noa they are now part of Proximus’ kingdom and not anymore the Eagle clan, which Noa refuses to accept.

• They both kill someone of the same species. Noa killed Silva and Proximus out of self defense without really putting his hands on them. Mae choked Trevathan to death with her bare hands.

• Noa and Mae are wearing something blue when they meet again in the ending. Noa has a band of blue feathers on his arm while Mae has a blue poncho. They both also ride horses through a field.

• Noa and Mae reject the current state of the world and seek a radical change of the status quo. Mae wants to see humanity on top again, running back to the past, while Noa is open to coexistence between apes and humans, running towards the future.

[shorthaltsjester]

the mighty nein will always be that bitch (a party with a consistent (and coherent) moral stance, who even if they dismiss alternative perspectives take seriously what others have to say, and who are met with and accept the consequences of choices (good and bad) they decide upon with their eyes wide open)

[sonvern-veil]

Noa and Mae: Unspoken Bond in Kingdom of the Planet of the Apes

There’s something deeply compelling about Noa and Mae’s relationship in Kingdom of the Planet of the Apes. While it never crosses into overt romance, the emotional undercurrent is undeniable. They share a fragile trust, formed in the harsh ruins of a collapsing world, and it’s that slow, quiet connection that hits the hardest.

What stands out is how much restraint there is. They aren’t just from different species — they come from completely different worlds, ideologies, and life experiences. And yet, the empathy, the curiosity, the protection... it's all there, just below the surface. If they were the same species, it might’ve bloomed into something more obvious, but maybe it’s the impossibility that makes it so poignant.

There was even a deleted scene where Noa chases Mae after she leaves, showing his desperation — another thread of connection we only glimpse. Their chemistry is subtle, but it’s real. And it adds unexpected depth to the film.

I don’t need a full romantic storyline between them. But I love that kind of intense, quiet bond — the type that lingers, even if it can never fully be named.

[dabigothic]

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sleepy rainy morning before work

[potakingdom]

This is probably obvious but I just comprehended on my third watch that Mae wasn't allowed inside the base. Presumably considered too contaminated to allow in. Like I'm hoping she was allowed in offscreen later but god can you imagine that

Literally. imagine that. Most likely weeks if not months on her own after her group was killed with no one to talk to until some random chimp and orangutan takes pity on you & adopts you into their group but you know it cant last so you shouldn't get attached but you do anyway because holy fuck. they're showing you,,,kindness??? feeding you talking to you keeping you warm rescuing you. Taking care of you. after all that time alone. For no reason. So you get attached to them anyway. Then one fucking dies saving you. Then the first human you meet after months on your own you have to fucking murder. Literally kill with your bare fucking hands. Then the last person you can call a friend on this planet you have to betray horrifically, and not just him but everyone he calls family. And you just have to walk away because it's for the greater good and youve already come this far and you cant let all those sacrifices (human & ape) be in vain. Then you go back to his camp and realize...woah...he survived. And he forgives you. And you walk away. Then ride to a human camp. And then you can't even go inside and talk to them and be with them to see if what you did all that for actually works. Her life fucking sucks

[timebones]

Love the dual imagery of the old woman. How she represents both the previous generations that dealt with Mad Jack the first time, and the current generation worrying what their future will be. Will the older version of me look on me kindly? Is that even the older version of me, does that person even survive? Or is it only the past, silently watching us walk into destruction?

The old woman appeared after the the circle was broken, yes, but also after Ruby became aware of her own mortality due to the Doctor’s slip of the tongue.

As a representation of the previous generations, the woman is distant and offputting. Not even the oldest folks in the pub are worried about Mad Jack anymore, and when Ruby tries to bring other people in, tries to let those now-dead generations speak, Ruby becomes the problem.

She’s left to embark on this (in retrospect) decades-long mission virtually alone, getting involved in politics, taking calls, holding coats, pulling every strategic lever available to her even if it means working for this terrible man. She has to, because she’s one of the few people who fully recognize the danger he poses.

And both the past and herself-from-the-future are watching.

[veveisveryuncool]

new copy ability: burnt out AP student kirby

[dandelionjack]

@shivorceeratom pointed something out in my tags which i just had to bring to light. “jack of all trades i was, mad jack they called me” — the full expression is ‘jack of all trades, master of none’. say the line folks: which could mean nothing!!

the master’s #1 narrative haunter agenda

[roxannepolice]

I think if Harold Saxon was pointing out post-politics, Roger ap Gwilliam is pointing out a desire for simple solution. The interview kinda nails it: there's inflation and inflation is a messy, complicated and above all boring issue that isn't caused either by rich people being greedy or poor people wanting handouts alone, but you know what - NUKES. Nukes are simple, nukes you understand!

And people gobble it up, without hypnosis.

[ittybittyremy]

imagine how dorian felt during that whole kerfuffle

Two days ago, his brother died and the Crown Keepers separated, all because of the Spider Queen.

A couple of hours ago, he and Orym reminisced about how Orym put a blade to his chest and told him not to put the crown on his head. Something that Dorian is clearly grateful for now. ("Otherwise, I wouldn't be here right now")

Now, he woke up to two of his friends fighting. Then, Laudna claims that the blade on Orym's back will corrupt him "just like it corrupted Otohan." He's still catching up on everything, but he knows that's the name of the person who killed Orym's husband and father. To put it simply, he just heard that Orym may become corrupt like his family's killer was because of a sword.

And here's the thing: He's seen a real cursed item before. He's felt the lure of one and has seen/experienced the consequences of holding onto one. His brother's death was one of those consequences 2 days ago! And now there's apparently another cursed item that's on his "very good friend's" back. The same "very good friend" who he just talked about the crown with. The same "very good friend" who put a blade to his chest so long ago.

Then later, it turns out that the item Laudna was so insistent on being cursed (to the point of injuring another party member [be it unintentional]) is actually not cursed.

Now he's listening to Laudna talk about how she wants to take the blade in energy while belittling Orym for taking it in hand. (Yes, I am aware that this is very simplified)

After all this, Dorian finally gives his opinion.

I think [Orym] should keep it. It's just a thing. I'm so tired of things having control over us. You two are friends. It was his to possess and you tried to steal it from him... It is just a thing. Its history doesn't shape us. Our actions do. [Laudna's] actions tell me that [she did] not have enough trust in [her] friends... What would it have mattered if [Otohon] cut him down with a handaxe or a stick from the street? It was not the thing that did the action. It was the person. It does not matter.

I believe that there are two routes to Dorian's mindset

Gilmore's Wisdom: When the Crown Keepers discuss the circlet with Gilmore, he says something very interesting. "The Spider Queen herself is dark, is evil, but the vestige is simply power, and it is whatever you make it into. Power simply is." (E1x03).

Orym's Threat: Orym confronted him when he saw that he could hold the circlet without issue. He put a sword to his chest and told him to put it down. Dorian did so, saying, "I care about you more than this" (E1x05).

Dorian's point is a combination of those two things. To put it simply, Dorian's point was that friends are more important than objects because objects are just things.

And before I see anyone else blabbering about how Dorian is a hypocrite because of how Cyrus died, Opal didn't kill him, and neither did the circlet itself. It was the Spider Queen that killed him.

During all this, he discovered that Orym, Fearne, Laudna, and Chetney had died due to the blade. He also discovered that Orym made a deal with Fearne's grandmother "to help [them] do the things that [they] have to do. Hopefully in the next episode, Dorian is able to fully process all that information

Side Note: In between those words, Dorian admits that he doesn't fully understand the situation ("You do not know what you speak." "I do not"). Apparently, this is a hot take, but I think that him being the outsider of the situation made him the most clear-headed of the group. He wasn't hurt by Ottahan like the rest of Bells Hells had been. So, he has the least biased view of the bunch (still biased but not as biased as the others).

Thank you for coming to my TedTalk!

[verathena14]

[tgaa spoilers under the cut (both games)]

so during my time in the aa fandom ive noticed that ive become very VERY attached to the tgaa duology in particular. now dgmw, i love all of ace attorney (at least what ive played so far) but theres something about tgaa that just Activates the Neurons and i couldnt quite put my finger on it until literally today

it's The Cycle.

now if you don't know me, i'm a big big fan of the trope of Perpetuating The Cycle Of Violence (it's part of why kingdom hearts dark road was so intriguing to me) but also Breaking The Cycle Of Violence

and luckily for me, tgaa (specifically 2, which is why it's currently my fave aa game) is chock FULL of Cycle of Violence shit! and i fucking love it!

it's the parallels between klint killing on stronghart's orders, then genshin killing him in the duel, then barok sentencing genshin to death (even if it was jigoku who killed genshin in the end), and then kazuma trying to sentence barok to death

but kazuma doesn't break the cycle alone; he does it with the help of ryunosuke. ryunosuke, who wasn't even supposed to be here. he was never supposed to be part of this story, but yet he WAS. and it was ryunosuke who broke the cycle. he showed compassion for the man that hated him, and he used what he'd learned from both kazuma and his time in london, and he broke the cycle.

and that's just so... good, to me.

im just a sucker for this trope, where the main character is kind of just an ordinary person? who through unfortunate circumstances has to carry on the wants and wishes of their best friend who by all means should have been the main character. ...but they're not. and the main character has to create an identity for themself, fight through all kinds of challenges, some even posed by their best friend themself, and they can step in and break the cycle. it's precisely because of their supposed insignificance that they can step in and stop the cycle.

and i just. idk i really like it. that's part of why ryunosuke's one of my favorite characters. (also can you tell that i was also talking about sora kingdom hearts in the last paragraph- //shot)

(also the narrative parallels [esp between barok & kazuma] make for some banger animatic ideas- //double shot)

[sonvern-veil]

Analysis of Mae and Noa's Relationship in Kingdom of the Planet of the Apes

Their Dynamic in the Film

Mae and Noa’s relationship in Kingdom of the Planet of the Apes goes beyond mere survival or necessity. Their bond develops through cautious observation, the gradual dismantling of prejudices, and a deep, unspoken understanding that builds over time.

Initially, Noa views Mae with suspicion. He has been raised in a society that sees humans as primitive and dangerous, a belief deeply ingrained in his worldview. However, through their shared experiences, he begins to see her as an individual rather than just a human. Similarly, Mae undergoes a transformation—she realizes that not all apes are her enemies and tries to connect with Noa despite his initial reluctance. Her intelligence and resilience earn his respect. Their relationship evolves gradually, without abrupt shifts, yet it carries significant emotional depth.

Thus, their bond is not just about cooperation but a genuine connection where both begin to see each other beyond the limitations of their species.

How Their Relationship Could Develop in Future Installments

If the franchise continues their story, several possible paths could unfold:

1. A Deepening Trust and Alliance – Their connection grows stronger, but they remain bound to their respective worlds. They could symbolize change—Noa challenging his people’s perception of humans, while Mae plays a key role in humanity’s survival.

2. Separate Paths – They may part ways, realizing that their worlds are too different. However, their bond would leave a lasting impact on both.

3. A Bridge Between Species – They could form a small community where humans and apes learn to coexist, serving as a turning point for both civilizations.

4. A Conflict of Interests – Over time, they might find themselves on opposing sides, adding a layer of tragic tension to their story.

Regardless of the direction, their relationship has the potential to shape the fate of both species. Noa could become a leader who understands that humans cannot be ignored, while Mae might play a crucial role in humanity’s future.

Could a Romantic Arc Exist?

A traditional love story between Mae and Noa is unlikely, as the Planet of the Apes franchise has always maintained a realistic boundary between species. However, this doesn’t mean their bond cannot be deeply emotional—something akin to platonic or even tragic love. Possible scenarios include:

1. Profound Attachment Without Romance – They could become the most important individuals in each other’s lives without a romantic element.

2. Tragic Impossibility – Even if emotions emerge, their relationship remains impossible due to biological and social divides.

3. Cultural Taboo – If Noa develops feelings for Mae, his society might reject it, leading to an internal conflict.

4. Allegorical Love – Their connection could be symbolic, representing a deeper understanding rather than conventional romance.

If the filmmakers choose to include subtle romantic undertones, they would likely rely on gestures, gazes, and emotionally charged moments rather than direct romantic interaction.

Could a Scene Similar to the 1968 Film’s Kiss Work Today?

The original Planet of the Apes (1968) featured a kiss between a human and an intelligent ape, but it was seen more as a symbolic gesture of respect than a romantic act. Today, such a scene would be viewed differently, considering modern perspectives on biology, ethics, and audience perception. However, deep emotional bonds between different species can still be portrayed effectively through subtler means:

Silent, Meaningful Moments – Scenes where one stays beside the other in difficult times.

Nonverbal Gestures – A protective touch or a sign of gratitude.

Sacrifice and Trust – One risking everything for the other, despite societal consequences.

A Poignant Farewell – The realization of their importance to each other, even as they go their separate ways.

Future films are unlikely to depict direct romantic interactions between Mae and Noa, but their emotional connection could be portrayed with remarkable depth.

Conclusion

Had Mae and Noa been of the same species, their relationship would have been straightforward. However, the realization that an insurmountable boundary separates them makes their connection all the more compelling. They may feel something profound for each other but cannot express it in the ways they instinctively might. Yet, the emotional bond they share will endure, even if they walk different paths.

The strong chemistry between the actors enhances this dynamic, making their interactions feel authentic and engaging. Interestingly, some deleted scenes may have delved even deeper into their relationship, hinting at elements left unexplored in the final cut.

Ultimately, in future films, their story might not lean toward romance but toward a complex and powerful emotional connection. They could become symbols of overcoming divisions and seeking a new path for both species.