#Snow white remake

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You know how in the original Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs, each character's true nature is revealed by what they choose to treasure?

You know, Grumpy treasures safety because his true nature is vulnerable, the Queen treasures beauty because her true nature is ugly, and Snow White is the only one who's treasure is as true as her nature: pure love?

And how the Prince only gets around 5 minutes of screentime, and in those 5 minutes, proves that he A) treasures Snow White's true nature of pure love and B) keeps his promises?

Well, I was thinking. In the new Live Action, they're basically writing in a different male character in place of the Prince and not focusing on any kind of love story. So it's not actually "Snow White." But what would a good, faithful, beautiful adaptation of Snow White look like? (You know, one that actually does adaptations correctly--like Cinderella 2015?)

What should they be doing with the Prince?

I have a general idea below.

I mean, they can't introduce him in the same way they did in the classic animation. Obviously modern people aren't used to so much nuance in their big-screen fairy tales anymore; 5 minutes of screentime isn't enough, we prefer Mr. Darcy & Lizzie Bennet-levels of couple-building interactions, at least. And that's okay.

But it means we have to fill in a lot of the blanks about where this Prince comes from and why he values Snow White's "pure love nature" so strongly.

So I figure, in my head, it might look something like:

The Prince (let's call him Walther, German for "Walt," since basically everybody who worked on the original movie agrees that it was Walt's big brain child, and the popularized "Ferdinand" is not only fan-made but makes me think of a kindhearted bull) is the heir to a neighboring kingdom's throne.

Prince Walther isn't King yet, not because his parents are still King and Queen (they're dead,) but because tradition states he can only take the throne once he's come of age. Prince Walther's like 17, turning 18. So instead, his kingdom is essentially run by this council of busybodies, with one Regent holding the throne until he's old enough to take it. Something like that.

(the picture is of Dean Stockwell who's the son of the original voice actor for the Prince, I think someone who looks like him ought to be cast.) Prince Walther experienced pure love from his parents, who treated him like a normal boy and didn't place much emphasis on courtly manners or politics when raising him. But then they died tragically, leaving their honest and innocent son to be raised by a bunch of old people who put way TOO much emphasis on those things.

Because everyone in Prince Walther's court has had to handle being next-door neighbors to the Wicked Queen's country. They're all super political, and afraid of appearing weak, and therefore, very insincere. That's what I'm saying.

Everyone he interacts with on a daily basis never comes out and says what they really want. Nobody is genuine. He lives a life of hearing words like, "good morning Your Majesty, I hope you slept well. The Grand Duke could certainly stand to sleep better; the poor fellow looked run down at breakfast." but learning that what they actually mean is, "The Duke is getting old and ineffective and when your birthday passes you should decree that he give his land and resources away to me."

And he misses the genuine love the court used to feel from his parents' kind, simple way of ruling. No political games, no complex feuds. Plus, he misses the personal love they shared as a family, genuine, uncomplicated. He missed the days when people just say what they really want, unafraid, so that their rulers can take care of their needs.

Then there's the problem of why Prince Walther's in the Wicked Queen's realm in the original movie--that's not his territory, if he has his own kingdom.

So I think it would be neat and interesting if the Queen wants Walther's land. Maybe she invited his parents, way back when, to a kind of audience to negotiate an alliance. Then she got jealous of his mother's beauty, maybe even tried to seduce Prince Walther's father, and assassinated them both when he rebuffed her. Oo, maybe even the Huntsman (her FAITHFUL Huntsman) helped her do it all those years ago.

But she didn't realize they had a young son, so she couldn't just raise her hand and say, "Hey Neighboring Kingdom, it's too bad your monarchs both mysteriously died--don't worry, I'll be your new leader" because Prince Walther's council suspected foul play (they always do, they're suspicious people) and were preemptively like "NO NO WE HAVE A PRINCE, WE HAVE A PRINCE! We're fine, we don't need help, everything's fine."

So she sort of had to stew on that. Maybe she even tried a couple more halfhearted attempts to get their throne, and they just never worked out--then eventually her attention was occupied by how much older her stepdaughter was getting, and how much prettier.

Anyway, Prince Walther asks for an audience with the Wicked Queen; he's about to become King, and he knows that the council fears their neighbor, and he sort of wants to go over and size the next-door ruler up for himself. So he rides over with a little delegation of the members of the Court he can actually tolerate the best, and is visiting.

It's not fun. They're only there for a day, but the Wicked Queen is definitely scary. For one thing, she's unnaturally beautiful and everyone he brought with him is either stupefied in her presence or terrified. He himself is very confused by her; he's an open-hearted guy, with a touch of naïveté even though he was raised with good intuition and doesn't trust the Queen. All audiences with her are full of all the formal, double-and-triple meaning conversations that he hates back home; except worse, because she makes everything seem more sinister.

So after a particularly weird conversation with the Queen where he can't decide if she was flirting with him or threatening his kingdom, he goes for a ride around the courtyard to clear his head. And what should he hear, like a breath of the freshest air since his parents died?

A pure, beautiful voice. A young girl singing--and not just singing about anything, but singing about what she really wants. Genuinely. Her heart's fondest desire--and it's not power, or land, or even freedom. Just love. She's singing loudly, like she doesn't care who might hear such a vulnerable longing.

And he climbs over the wall and sees this scullery maid. She's absolutely beautiful, even though she's dressed all in rags, and he loves the picture of her: sharing her heart with doves, who feel completely safe with her, and not having to worry about what anyone thinks of her.

He sort of eavesdrops on her for a little bit, and in this part of the movie, maybe we learn how impulsive he is. He just jumps over and tries to join in. Maybe it's even a little funny. And we can stretch out the feelings behind the part where Snow White runs from him--that feeling of her being unsure of a stranger, not because she worries about what he thinks, but because it's so surprising that anyone is taking notice of her so abruptly at all. And she doesn't know him.

Maybe he asks to extend his stay at the Queen's palace and keep negotiating or whatever, but he really just wants to get to know the scullery maid better.

Then the romance is sort of still fast, but built in a way that the audience can sink their teeth into. The Prince and Snow White have a few more mutually-agreed-upon meetings, not necessarily hiding them, but just in breaks between courtly audiences with the wicked Queen. They're both enamored with each other: she's never been treated so kindly by anyone and his whole faith in pure, innocent love and uncomplicated, genuine people is being restored just by talking to her. They bond chiefly over missing their parents.

Eventually he learns that she is the Queen's daughter--maybe from the Huntsman, maybe from Snow herself in an innocent way. He's stunned that she's treated so poorly, but the second he learns it, he confesses that he loves her and he wants to take her away from there. Plus, this solves the whole "will my kingdom go to war with the Wicked Queen or be allies even though we can't trust her" diplomacy thing--Snow White is her heir, so it would be a beautiful twist of Providence that the girl he has fallen in love with can also be the alliance of peace for the kingdoms through marriage.

Snow White accepts his proposal, but she's afraid for a moment that her stepmother won't allow it. The Prince urges her not to be afraid: he'll take her to his castle and they'll be happy no matter what: he promises it, he gives her his word, he encourages her not to worry because he won't let anything stop him. It's lovely. She finally has someone she can gift her superpower of pure love to, and someone who can treasure her like she deserves.

Problem is, the Queen overhears this last conversation, right after learning that Snow White is the new "Fairest of All" from her mirror, just like in the original film.

So while the Prince is convincing his council that he's proposed to Snow White, the Queen's largely-unknown secret stepdaughter, and is going to reveal the fact to the Queen tomorrow, the Huntsman and the Queen herself are plotting the assassination attempt that eventually leads to Snow running for her life and living with the Dwarfs before she ever gets the chance to see her betrothed again.

Then the movie unfolds largely the same way it did, but with more dialogue and nuance strengthening the original's main themes: Snow White is pure love in nature, and that's everything the Prince has been missing, and he fulfills his promise which she has total faith in. And along the way, the Dwarfs learn to care more about protecting an innocent girl than they care about protecting themselves, and treasuring a person over jewels. Grumpy in particular. And the Queen dies because she's a jealous witch who's self-love has twisted her into something ugly.

Basically, what I'm saying is, there's a way to make the Prince compelling for audiences who are now used to more fleshed-out interactions in movie couples. Just give him a background that is longing for pure, uncomplicated, innocent love. Then when he runs into Snow White, who's never been treasured and valued since her parents died, they give each other everything they've been longing for--and then they have faith in one another when circumstances, both funny and sinister, force them apart.

It's like the Notebook (just in story structure)--you build up romance in the first act through a few poignant scenes, but then the rest of the movie is about waiting for that romance to be fulfilled.

Anyway. I guess I could've said all this more succinctly, but I was kind of making it up as I went. 🤷‍♀️

[madame-helen]

Verisimilitude has left the chat. And then it jumped out the window.

[thehyperfixationcorner]

Sometimes I forget this is a disney blog XD so here are my thoughts on the animation news from D23! (That I know of):

Moana 2 ⛵️: trailer looked great (the big sis lil sis moment??? AAAAA (Certified sibling dynamic enjoyer over here), animation is crisp and beautiful, story sounds interesting, LOVE Moana's redesign and that there are more characters for the journey! Only worries are the repetitive elements and no LMM, but I'll keep an open mind!

Zootopia 2 🐰🦊: we only got a few small details but I'm happy to see Ke Huy Quan in another movie, plus the few images we got really reminded me how I love that film! The one image of Nick and Judy radiates such energy

Toy Story 5 🧸: look, no one loves this series more than me, and no one is more terrified of this sucking. BUT. The tech plot line sounds promising. Just hope ruining 4's alltimer sad ending is done well, somehow

Incredibles 3🦸‍♂️: we just know it's happening. Please be better than 2. Please.

Hoppers🦫: YEAH BABY THAT’S WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT! This shit sound crazy! Plus, We Bare Bears guy! However, I do get people's annoyance at yet another not white Animated lead spending most their time as an animal or something

Win or Lose⚾️: such creative animation, and my kind of concept! I think this could take tumblr by storm!

Tiana show 🐸: I just wanna SEE IT ALREADY

Mufasa: The Lion King 🦁: sigh... at least the acting and expressions are a little better. Skipping it anyway.

Snow White 🍎: ahem... NO. Put aside how bad it looks, the exclusion of dwarf actors, frikin Gal Gadot, or the animals straight out of a Facebook AI commercial. This is the movie that PROVED ANIMATED MOVIES CAN WORK. Every single person who put their soul into that movie is rolling in their fucking Graves.

Lilo and Stitch 👽: ...At least he doesn't give me nightmares.

Phineas and Ferb ☀️: already gave my thoughts in an ask for a different blog, but I'm cautiously optimistic!

Dream Productions 💭: eh

Frozen 3 ❄️: please be better than 2, please be better than 2

[valy-gc]

FaGian on deviantart

This person is a genius! This is so true!!

Just missing the darker skin color

[wolf-tail]

It pisses me off that not only is disney being utterly creatively bankrupt and spitting in the face of the medium of animation by making a live action Snow White in the first place, they have the audacity to put that poor actress in the ugliest outfit ever.

I mean come on, you finally don't have to deal with the human limitations of artists and animators, and you put her in this basic bitch ass party city looking polyester dress, like there aren't random cosplayers on instagram running circles around you. Put her in something fancy, highly ornamented, I'm talking lace, embellishments, brocades, jewelry, all of it! Make it a fucking spectacle! Give her multiple outfits, let the costume designers have some fun, something! If you're going to remake a movie, pay it some proper fucking respect my making utter costume and set porn that the poor animators in the thirties could never dream of, put that up scene amount of money you have to use!

[doctorhoe]

keep thinking about that upcoming snow white remake and how rachel zegler, the actress who plays snow white kind of smugly said that "it isn't 1937 anymore" and that snow white won't be saved by a man or dream of a prince but instead the "leader she can become".

snow white was very much a product of its time, but that's not a bug. it's a feature. snow white's resilience and goodness in the face of evil was what the people at that time needed. this was during the great depression, not long before the second world war started in europe. everything sucked. snow white isn't a princess for those who had the power to change their circumstances. she has to sing to endure the horrors she faces, has to be kind to the people and creatures that surround her even when she is beaten to the ground and afraid. she has to endure and can only wish for a better life, as represented by the prince. and when she is killed by the queen, the woman who put her to work in rags and already attempted to have her killed (so essentially her employer and the owner of the land the dwarfs live on), she gets carried off by a silent man on a white horse into a castle in the skies. if nothing else, you'll be rewarded in death for all the horrors you endured with a smile and a song during your lifetime. making it so snow white now strives for power/leadership or whatever is taking away what made her so relatable and beloved among audiences back in the day. it's ignoring the fact that snow white was made for those who don't have the power to change their circumstances because they're too busy trying to survive them. it's saying: "surviving and being kind is enough. you will be rewarded eventually" well, not anymore :)

[riddlerosehearts]

can i be honest and just say that the snow white remake deciding to get rid of the romance is SO incredibly annoying to me because like... snow white's prince is what people like to claim the princesses are. he doesn't have a canon name, he doesn't show up anywhere except at the beginning and end of the story, literally all he does is sing to snow white and kiss her, he essentially has no personality and his one and only purpose is to be a love interest. rachel zegler claims that the original snow white has no function beyond "someday my prince will come", but really, she's an abuse victim who chooses to be kind, to have hope and to dream of love, and to take control of her own life by doing housework for the dwarves in exchange for being allowed to stay with them. the prince is the one who has no function beyond "one song", other than to rescue snow white and make her happy!!

but the thing is, he wasn't planned to be such a nothing character!! walt wanted to do more with him, if only they hadn't had so much trouble animating him at the time. and i was hoping so badly that the remake would flesh him out and give snow white a truly beautiful romance with her prince, like she deserves, because there is nothing wrong with an abused teenage girl, or any girl for that matter, wanting to find true love! but disney has decided that actually there is, i guess?! i was hoping maybe they could be childhood friends who met before snow white's parents died, because in the original movie it seems possible, to me at least, that they already knew each other and that's why he was so comfortable sneaking past the castle walls and joining in on her song, and why she was so immediately enchanted by him. that maybe the reason she was surprised at first and tried to run from him was because her abusive stepmother didn't want him around and might harm him. or if not that, maybe he wants to work out a trade deal between his kingdom and hers and he comes by and introduces himself like a normal person instead of sneaking in. but instead they're just getting rid of him entirely and at this point i'm surprised the cinderella remake gave kit and ella such a beautifully developed love story instead of just removing prince charming and making cinderella some kind of shallow girlboss.

and then also, they're not including the dwarves all because peter dinklage complained that it's stereotypical to have a story about dwarves living in a cave when, um, they literally fucking don't?!?! it's kind of a pretty significant plot point that the house snow white is staying in is their house and they just work as miners 😭 i'm so tired of celebrities who probably haven't watched a disney movie since they were in diapers thinking they need to say shit like this. AND this whole decision is not even working out for disney because now they're also getting slammed by actors with dwarfism who are understandably disappointed at losing the chance to audition for those roles. when they could've just idk, kept the dwarves and taken the opportunity to be inclusive and give work to a highly underrepresented demographic instead of removing them based on blatantly false information?? and if the dwarves working as miners is still considered stereotypical/harmful, then why not... give them a different job that isn't?

sorry it's just. ugh. disney would be nothing without snow white and every single time i see promotional stuff for the remake it's all just the cast and crew disrespecting snow white and trashing it and saying they're making it better by cutting out its most important elements. i have nothing to look forward to with this movie anymore (not that i was looking forward to it that much to begin with) because apparently the only thing it shares with the original is its title character, and i'm sure she'll also be nothing like her animated counterpart.

edit because i didn't really expect anyone to see this: idk if the whole "getting rid of the romance" thing is true because after writing this i remembered that i've also heard something about the prince getting replaced with a new "robin hood-esque" love interest named johnathan?? so if they're still keeping him then there will still be romance i guess, it just won't be the classic fairytale romance snow white is associated with, and my frustration toward them choosing not to develop the prince into an actual character still stands. ESPECIALLY SINCE i also read that snow is supposed to "ride into battle with him"?! snow white?! imagine if in cinderella (2015) they changed prince charming into a roguish robin hood type and had ella fight battles with him. it would've been so weird and so far removed from the animated cinderella in a very jarring way. i hate it. also, because of an annoying tag i got on this post i also feel the need to add that i do NOT have a problem with "political correctness" or rachel zegler being latina lmao. i do, however, have a problem with her insulting the original snow white while openly admitting that she has not watched the movie since she was a child.

[simplysparrow14]

So many people angry and upset that people are expressing their hatred for the unreleased Snow White remake

But besties let me remind ya’ll that if Cinderella or Little Mermaid or Beauty and the Beast were to have been changed for contemporary audiences, then people would shit and cried and pissed their little pants because those are Disney darlings— the fucking bread winners.

Walt Disney is rolling in his fucking grave.

Snow White was literally Walt Disney’s baby. He went into thousands and thousands of dollars in debt for her to be made. He believed in her so much and worked around the fucking clock to make sure she was the best she could be because she was the first full length animated film ever made. Without her, there would be no fucking Cinderella or Ariel or Elsa or Belle.

There would be no Pixar or Dreamworks or literally any other animated movie in existence without her.

So Disney literally ripping apart Snow White and changing her entire core character just for having a goal and dream for something as simple as love is literally so disgusting.

I fucking hate it here.

Justice for Snow White.

[ariainstars]

Snow Not White and the Seven Not Dwarfs

How to push feminism too far? Simple. Make a female protagonist odious pretending „she’s a leader now“.

Apparently, Disney’s new Snow White is meant to be brave, fearless and true. She just doesn’t seem to care about anything but herself.

First, we have a princess whose main characteristic, even before she develops a personality (she’s just a baby), is her snow-white skin. The role goes to a brown-skinned actress because apparently that’s not illogical but progressive. In my personal opinion it’s racism the other way around.

“It was the middle of winter, and the snow-flakes were falling like feathers from the sky, and a queen sat at her window working, and her embroidery-frame was of ebony. And as she worked, gazing at times out on the snow, she pricked her finger, and there fell from it three drops of blood on the snow. And when she saw how bright and red it looked, she said to herself, ‘Oh, that I had a child as white as snow, as red as blood, and as black as the wood of the embroidery frame!’ Not very long after she had a daughter, with a skin as white as snow, lips as red as blood, and hair as black as ebony, and she was named Snow White.”

(1812, Brothers Grimm)

Then, we see pictures of said heroine surrounded not by dwarfs but by seven „magical creatures“ who she apparently leads (leads to what?)

Rachel Zegler, in interviews, comes across as everything the original Snow White was not, e.g. narcissistic, selfish, unkind and narrow-minded. The movie is even called „Snow White“ to make clear that her relationship to the seven dwarfs (?) creatures (?) is not important.

Zegler, who already earns millions for every role she plays, says she wants to be paid for every minute she works.

She says she didn’t like the original film. Shouldn’t an actress playing a role watch the original over and over, to get into it? She couldn’t make it clearer that she wants to play herself, not a role.

She pretends that the prince, who approaches Snow White chastely singing under her balcony, is actually a weird stalker.

She says that the original story was too old-fashioned because there apparently is a big focus on her love story. (The lovers spend about three minutes together.)

And the Disney studios just let her talk.

Maybe I got things wrong and the new Snow White is actually meant to be a parody. Or a travesty. Whatever.

We don’t need this. No one does.

The 1937 Snow White was a motherly figure, not a girlboss. And she didn’t mind getting her hands dirty even if she was of royal blood. She loved chastely until her prince came with the intent of marrying her. Please tell me what’s wrong with that. Not everybody can or should be a girlboss, the world needs nice, gentle women too. (Apart from the fact that a girlboss is not the same as heartless bitch.)

The original German fairy tale was a parable on puberty: Snow White runs away from her stepmother when she’s still a child, falls under the spell and is protected by the dwarfs in her coffin until she’s grown up. Meeting the prince and marrying him is her sexual awakening. Now that would have been an interesting story to tell, if they really wanted to make something new; but I guess it would have been too sexual, shocking.

Or maybe they wanted to tell the story of a princess who reunites her kingdom after her stepmother usurped her throne, and enlists seven “magical creatures”, all belonging to a different species (likes dwarfs or elves)? Nothing wrong with that. It could be an interesting story if told right. But it’s no longer Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs. If you want to write a story that has nothing to do with the one that inspired it, find it another title and another name for the protagonist. It shouldn’t be that difficult.

Who pretends that the original Snow White is a bad character example should not prevent their children from watching the movie, or have a new „girlboss“ version shoved down their throats, but explain to their children that it’s actually a film and not reality. And maybe encourage them to have a life of their own instead of spending their entire time in front of a screen until they can’t discern a story from real life.

It’s this that is digging their grave right now, not the Star Wars controversy. What could you possibly do wrong with a film that’s beloved by generations and that was almost flawless? Exactly, turn it upside down, i.e. make it awful.

And after the backlash following the first trailer, things didn’t get better but worse.

Snow White is now surrounded by dwarfs, but instead of doing any menial task she teaches them how to clean the house. She’s living in their house, eating their bread and refusing to do as much as touch a broom.

Great. Then go digging in the mines tomorrow, you entitled brat.

And make the Queen the heroine. After all, she’s the queen, so she’s a girlboss, right?

Sheesh.

[suzieloveships]

Snow White remakes gets more hate for being bad than Mulan remake got for normalizing a crime against humanity.

Rachel gets more hate for saying what is going to happen in a movie than a person that literally supported police brutality.

Snow white remake is a harmless movie unlike Mulan so can we please stop

[artist-issues]

I do think, while I'm on the subject of Snow White and that deleted scene with the imprisoned Prince, that if I could talk to the people making a live-action Snow White, I'd say, "put that back in there."

You know. In addition to keeping the Prince in the movie in the first place.

Because I think having Snow White's faith that he'll come for her magnified by how much he's willing to go through to find her can only be a good thing. Besides, "modern" audiences, already wanting more human interactions and less animal-antics scenes, would probably do that frustrating nitpicking thing and go "hey why did it take him so long to find her anyway?" If he's captured or delayed in coming by the Queen, so much the better.

But I wouldn't have the Dwarfs set him free. Because I think the Dwarfs need to never come in contact with this Prince they've been hearing so much about--until the moment he comes, and proves Snow White right. That moment was impactful in the original, and it should stay the way it is.

So instead I'd actually bring back the Huntsman. His whole thing as a minor character is that he obeys the Queen, then can't go through with it, but instead of standing up to her, he tries to trick her. Kind of cowardly. But maybe if he lets the Prince go free and makes a more direct stand against her, that can wrap up his small character arc and kill two birds with one stone at the same time.

These have been random thoughts, thanks for reading

[emaswanned]

Seriously, Disney, why would you make a live action adaptation of Snow White when ONCE UPON A TIME EXISTS.

If it ain't Lana Parrilla, I'm out.

(Ginnifer as Snow slays too tho lbr.)

[madame-helen]

[askinkiskarma]

i need new disney to get their grubby little hands away from the original disney princess movies bc i'm so sick and tired of these horrible little distasteful half assed attempts they call "live action remakes"

[dani-luminae]

I don’t know what’s more annoying: the plethora of Disney live-action remakes, or the so-called “feminist” spins (feminism in quotation marks because it is always the most shallow kind of feminism, like the OG princess are weak and useless) that they keep pushing into them.