I was thinking again.
I know, I shouldn't strain myself, but I couldn't help it. But I was thinking about Olwë, and why he didn't at least give the Noldor a ride to Beleriand.
And then I remembered this:
This is a map that compares Valinor to the rest of Arda, though I cropped it to only show the important bit.
This is the route the Noldor (specifically Fëanáro) took, which, I will note, took anywhere from 9 to 19 Sun Years (hard to tell with the Valian Year scale):
This is the route people usually propose (although usually most people don't fully understand the scale of Valinor).
This is also, presumably, the route Eärendil took to reach Valinor, and the route the Host of Valinor took to reach Endórë. For Eärendil, it took 8 years. For the Host of Valinor, it took, at the very most, 3 years.
That's a wide range of time, 3 - 19 years. But there are a couple things to note.
For the Noldor, they walked for most of it, which makes sense, as Uinen and Ossë were actively working against them. This could be why they took so long.
For the HoV, they had both Manwë and Ulmo aiding them, which would likely hasten their journey.
Considering how, if the Teleri ferried the Noldor, they wouldn't have Manwë's help, and they probably wouldn't have Ulmo's assistance, I'd say Eärendil's 8 years is the closest. That's a little under a Valian Year. I can kind of see why they wouldn't want to make that journey.
Olwë's still an idiot and a jerk for not at least offering to help the Noldor build their own ships, especially after the Noldor welcomed his people to Aman with countless jewels as gifts and, from what Fëanáro said, built the Falmari their homes and cities. And Olwë had the gall to tell them "We will not teach you".
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Skyrim Travel Times/Distances - City to Settlement
Other Travel Times
Solstheim
City to City
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Got my game fixed and enough down time (and motivation) to get part 3 of this little project out. This time we're looking at traveling between major cities and the smaller settlements.
As before, some location have 2 or more plausible routes between them. I documented only the one which was the quickest/most direct or that made the most sense. For instance, the road through Labyrinthian is marked as a main road and is a faster route if your coming from, say, Morthal or Dawnstar and headed to Whiterun, but Labyrinthian is a known hazard and I'd assume the average traveler goes around.
Maps are included to show which routes I took, and I've included estimated travel times for on-foot, horse/carriage walking, and horse/carriage trotting.
About Ivarstead - the north road out of town is narrow, rocky, curvy, mostly uphill, and not paved. That north road is difficult to locate traveling TO Ivarstead, and the main paved road north of town is tricky to locate coming FROM Ivarstead.
NOTES:
1. These routes only follow main roads.
2. Times are rounded to the nearest quarter hour.
3. These times do not account for factors such as resting, party size/fitness, bad weather, road conditions, uphill travel, warzones, bandits, or other hazards that impede travel.
4. The road between Whiterun and Windhelm splits and then reconnects - the times/distances are very similar and therefore share a measurement.
5. There are two routes from Solitude to Helgen - one through Whiterun, and one through Falkreath. I included both because they both make sense (major stops along the way) and the times are close but not too close.
WHITERUN to . . .
Whiterun to Rorikstead
Miles: 30
On Foot: 11hrs 30min
Horse/Carriage Walking: 7hr 30min
Horse/Carriage Trotting: 3hr 45min
Whiterun to Ivarstead
Miles: 80.22
On Foot: 1d 7hr
Horse/Carriage Walking: 20hr
Horse/Carriage Trotting: 9hr 30min
Whiterun to Karthwasten
Miles: 51.24
On Foot: 19hr 45min
Horse/Carriage Walking: 12hr 45min
Horse/Carriage Trotting: 6hr
Whiterun to Dragon Bridge
Miles: 51.48
On Foot: 19hr 45min
Horse/Carriage Walking: 12hr 45min
Horse/Carriage Trotting: 6hr 30min
Whiterun to Helgen
Miles: 25.32
On Foot: 9hr 45min
Horse/Carriage Walking: 6hr 15min
Horse/Carriage Trotting: 3hr
Whiterun to Kynesgrove
Miles: 41.82
On Foot: 16hr 15min
Horse/Carriage Walking: 10hr 45min
Horse/Carriage Trotting: 5hr 15min
Whiterun to Shor's Stone (white)
Miles: 63.14
On Foot: 1d 15min
Horse/Carriage Walking: 15hr 45min
Horse/Carriage Trotting: 7hr 30min
Whiterun to Riverwood
Miles: 13.43
On Foot: 5hr 15min
Horse/Carriage Walking: 3hr 15min
Horse/Carriage Trotting: 1hr 34min
SOLITUDE to . . .
Solitude to Rorikstead
Miles: 27.92
On Foot: 10hr 45min
Horse/Carriage Walking: 7hr
Horse/Carriage Trotting: 3hr 30min
Solitude to Ivarstead
Miles: 139.12
On Foot: 2d 5hr 45min
Horse/Carriage Walking: 1d 10hr 45min
Horse/Carriage Trotting: 16hr 15min
Solitude to Karthwasten
Miles: 36.16
On Foot: 14hr
Horse/Carriage Walking: 9hr
Horse/Carriage Trotting: 4hr 30min
Solitude to Dragon Bridge
Miles: 10.2
On Foot: 4hr
Horse/Carriage Walking: 2hr 30min
Horse/Carriage Trotting: 1hr 15min
Solitude to Helgen (through Whiterun)
Miles: 84.22
On Foot: 1d 8hr 30min
Horse/Carriage Walking: 21hr
Horse/Carriage Trotting: 10hr
Solitude to Helgen (through Falkreath)
Miles: 109.55
On Foot: 1d 18hr 15min
Horse/Carriage Walking: 1d 3hr 15min
Horse/Carriage Trotting: 13hr
Solitude to Kynesgrove
Miles: 89.29
On Foot: 1d 10hr 30min
Horse/Carriage Walking: 22hr 15min
Horse/Carriage Trotting: 10hr 30min
Solitude to Shor's Stone (white)
Miles: 111.08
On Foot: 1d 18hr 45min
Horse/Carriage Walking: 1d 3hr 45min
Horse/Carriage Trotting: 13hr
Solitude to Riverwood
Miles: 73.38
On Foot: 1d 4hr 15min
Horse/Carriage Walking: 18hr 15min
Horse/Carriage Trotting: 8hr 30min
MARKARTH to . . .
Markarth to Rorikstead
Miles: 31.92
On Foot: 12hr 19min
Horse/Carriage Walking: 8hr
Horse/Carriage Trotting: 3hr 45min
Markarth to Ivarstead
Miles: 129.34
On Foot: 2d 2hr
Horse/Carriage Walking: 1d 8hr 15min
Horse/Carriage Trotting: 15hr 15min
Markarth to Karthwasten
Miles: 15.19
On Foot: 5hr 45min
Horse/Carriage Walking: 3hr 45min
Horse/Carriage Trotting: 2hr
Markarth to Dragon Bridge
Miles: 39.34
On Foot: 15hr 15min
Horse/Carriage Walking: 9hr 45min
Horse/Carriage Trotting: 2hr
Markarth to Helgen
Miles: 24.26
On Foot: 9hr 15min
Horse/Carriage Walking: 6hr
Horse/Carriage Trotting: 2hr 45min
Markarth to Kynesgrove
Miles: 94
On Foot: 1d 12hr 15min
Horse/Carriage Walking: 23hr 30min
Horse/Carriage Trotting: 11hr
Markarth to Shor's Stone (white)
Miles: 111.08
On Foot: 1d 18hr 45min
Horse/Carriage Walking: 1d 3hr 45min
Horse/Carriage Trotting: 13hr
Markarth to Riverwood
Miles: 25.44
On Foot: 9hr 45min
Horse/Carriage Walking: 6hr 15min
Horse/Carriage Trotting: 3hr
MORTHAL to . . .
Morthal to Rorikstead
Miles: 27.09
On Foot: 10hr 30min
Horse/Carriage Walking: 6hr 45min
Horse/Carriage Trotting: 3hr 30min
Morthal to Ivarstead
Miles: 143.12
On Foot: 2d 7hr 15min
Horse/Carriage Walking: 1d 11hr 45min
Horse/Carriage Trotting: 3hr 30min
Morthal to Karthwasten
Miles: 43
On Foot: 16hr 30min
Horse/Carriage Walking: 10hr 45min
Horse/Carriage Trotting: 5hr
Morthal to Dragon Bridge
Miles: 15.43
On Foot: 6hr
Horse/Carriage Walking: 3hr 45min
Horse/Carriage Trotting: 2hr
Morthal to Helgen
Miles: 89.29
On Foot: 1d 10hr 30min
Horse/Carriage Walking: 22hr 15min
Horse/Carriage Trotting: 10hr 30min
Morthal to Kynesgrove
Miles: 61.96
On Foot: 1 day
Horse/Carriage Walking: 15hr 30min
Horse/Carriage Trotting: 7hr 15min
Morthal to Shor's Stone (white)
Miles: 85.52
On Foot: 1d 9hr
Horse/Carriage Walking: 21hr 15min
Horse/Carriage Trotting: 10hr
Morthal to Riverwood
Miles: 77.74
On Foot: 1d 6hr
Horse/Carriage Walking: 19hr 30min
Horse/Carriage Trotting: 9hr 15min
DAWNSTAR to . . .
Dawnstar to Rorikstead
Miles: 48.65
On Foot: 18hr 45min
Horse/Carriage Walking: 11hr 30min
Horse/Carriage Trotting: 5hr 45min
Dawnstar to Ivarstead
Miles: 119.33
On Foot: 1d 22hr
Horse/Carriage Walking: 1d 5hr 45min
Horse/Carriage Trotting: 14hr
Dawnstar to Karthwasten
Miles: 62.19
On Foot: 1 day
Horse/Carriage Walking: 15hr 30min
Horse/Carriage Trotting: 7hr 15min
Dawnstar to Dragon Bridge
Miles: 37.1
On Foot: 14hr 15min
Horse/Carriage Walking: 9hr 15min
Horse/Carriage Trotting: 4hr 21min
Dawnstar to Helgen
Miles: 65.73
On Foot: 1d 1hr 15min
Horse/Carriage Walking: 16hr 30min
Horse/Carriage Trotting: 7hr 45min
Dawnstar to Kynesgrove
Miles: 39.11
On Foot: 15hr
Horse/Carriage Walking: 9hr 45min
Horse/Carriage Trotting: 5hr
Dawnstar to Shor's Stone (white)
Miles: 64.67
On Foot: 1d 1hr
Horse/Carriage Walking: 16hr
Horse/Carriage Trotting: 8hr
Dawnstar to Riverwood
Miles: 54.89
On Foot: 21hr 11min
Horse/Carriage Walking: 13hr 45min
Horse/Carriage Trotting: 6hr 30min
WINTERHOLD to . . .
Winterhold to Rorikstead
Miles: 82.22
On Foot: 1d 7hr 45min
Horse/Carriage Walking: 20hr 30min
Horse/Carriage Trotting: 9hr
Winterhold to Ivarstead
Miles: 47.47
On Foot: 18hr 15min
Horse/Carriage Walking: 11hr 45min
Horse/Carriage Trotting: 5hr 30min
Winterhold to Karthwasten
Miles: 107.55
On Foot: 1d 17hr 30min
Horse/Carriage Walking: 1d 2hr 45min
Horse/Carriage Trotting: 12hr 45min
Winterhold to Dragon Bridge
Miles: 70.68
On Foot: 1d 3hr 15min
Horse/Carriage Walking: 17hr 45min
Horse/Carriage Trotting: 8hr 15min
Winterhold to Helgen
Miles: 73.15
On Foot: 1d 4hr 15min
Horse/Carriage Walking: 18hr 15min
Horse/Carriage Trotting: 8hr 30min
Winterhold to Kynesgrove
Miles: 35.69
On Foot: 13hr 45min
Horse/Carriage Walking: 8hr 55min
Horse/Carriage Trotting: 4hr 15min
Winterhold to Shor's Stone (white)
Miles: 59.6
On Foot: 23hr
Horse/Carriage Walking: 15hr
Horse/Carriage Trotting: 7hr
Winterhold to Riverwood
Miles: 63.14
On Foot: 1d 15min
Horse/Carriage Walking: 15hr 45min
Horse/Carriage Trotting: 7hr 30min
WINDHELM to . . .
Windhelm to Rorikstead
Miles: 76.57
On Foot: 1d 5hr 30min
Horse/Carriage Walking: 19hr 15min
Horse/Carriage Trotting: 9hr
Windhelm to Ivarstead
Miles: 17.67
On Foot: 6hr 45min
Horse/Carriage Walking: 4hr 30min
Horse/Carriage Trotting: 2hr
Windhelm to Karthwasten
Miles: 93.49
On Foot: 1d 12hr
Horse/Carriage Walking: 23hr 15min
Horse/Carriage Trotting: 11hr
Windhelm to Dragon Bridge
Miles: 75.98
On Foot: 1d 5hr 15min
Horse/Carriage Walking: 19hr
Horse/Carriage Trotting: 9hr
Windhelm to Helgen
Miles: 67.49
On Foot: 1d 2hr
Horse/Carriage Walking: 16hr 45min
Horse/Carriage Trotting: 8hr
Windhelm to Kynesgrove
Miles: 5.89
On Foot: 2hr 15min
Horse/Carriage Walking: 1hr 30min
Horse/Carriage Trotting: 45min
Windhelm to Shor's Stone (white)
Miles: 29.8
On Foot: 11hr 30min
Horse/Carriage Walking: 7hr 30min
Horse/Carriage Trotting: 3hr 30min
Windhelm to Riverwood
Miles: 56.66
On Foot: 21hr 45min
Horse/Carriage Walking: 14hr
Horse/Carriage Trotting: 6hr 45min
RIFTEN to . . .
Riften to Rorikstead
Miles: 86.7
On Foot: 1d 9hr 30min
Horse/Carriage Walking: 21hr 45min
Horse/Carriage Trotting: 10hr 15min
Riften to Ivarstead
Miles: 26.97
On Foot: 10hr 30min
Horse/Carriage Walking: 6hr 45min
Horse/Carriage Trotting: 3hr 30min
Riften to Karthwasten
Miles: 119.09
On Foot: 1d 22hr
Horse/Carriage Walking: 1d 5hr 45min
Horse/Carriage Trotting: 14hr
Riften to Dragon Bridge
Miles: 122.27
On Foot: 1d 23hr 15min
Horse/Carriage Walking: 1d 6hr 30min
Horse/Carriage Trotting: 14hr 15min
Riften to Helgen
Miles: 39.93
On Foot: 15hr 30min
Horse/Carriage Walking: 10hr
Horse/Carriage Trotting: 5hr
Riften to Kynesgrove
Miles: 37.22
On Foot: 14hr 15min
Horse/Carriage Walking: 9hr 15min
Horse/Carriage Trotting: 4hr 45min
Riften to Shor's Stone (white)
Miles: 9.22
On Foot: 3hr 30min
Horse/Carriage Walking: 2hr 15min
Horse/Carriage Trotting: 6hr 30min
Riften to Riverwood
Miles: 54.54
On Foot: 21hr
Horse/Carriage Walking: 13hr 30min
Horse/Carriage Trotting: 6hr 30min
FALKREATH to . . .
Falkreath to Rorikstead
Miles: 31.57
On Foot: 12hr 15min
Horse/Carriage Walking: 8hr
Horse/Carriage Trotting: 3hr 45min
Falkreath to Ivarstead
Miles: 28.03
On Foot: 10hr 45min
Horse/Carriage Walking: 7hr
Horse/Carriage Trotting: 3hr 30min
Falkreath to Karthwasten
Miles: 48.29
On Foot: 10hr 45min
Horse/Carriage Walking: 12hr
Horse/Carriage Trotting: 5hr 45min
Falkreath to Dragon Bridge
Miles: 72.56
On Foot: 1d 4hr
Horse/Carriage Walking: 18hr 15min
Horse/Carriage Trotting: 8hr 30min
Falkreath to Helgen
Miles: 12.01
On Foot: 4hr 30min
Horse/Carriage Walking: 3hr
Horse/Carriage Trotting: 1hr 30min
Falkreath to Kynesgrove
Miles: 34.75
On Foot: 13hr 30min
Horse/Carriage Walking: 8hr 45min
Horse/Carriage Trotting: 4hr
Falkreath to Shor's Stone (white)
Miles: 64.31
On Foot: 1d 45min
Horse/Carriage Walking: 16hr
Horse/Carriage Trotting: 7hr 30min
Falkreath to Riverwood
Miles: 11.54
On Foot: 4hr 30min
Horse/Carriage Walking: 2hr 45min
Horse/Carriage Trotting: 1hr 15min
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