#and all because of helluva boss and hazbin hotel…

[critifan-666]

Helluva Boss seems to openly admit Stolitz as toxic, then it changes its mind and goes straight back to indulging in it. It's not accidental at this point; it's more like the writers are doubling down from not seeing it as toxic. Blitz will yell at Stolas for example, but then it immediately shifts Blitz' personality and now they're in love, like it was always gonna end this way.

I really do believe that it's only because it is MLM, and because the writers clearly really do see Stolas as the victim. It all feels pre-meditated though. Helluva Boss genuinely thinks we should love and feel bad for Stolas, and that goes back as far as S1E2, as the episode opened up with a sad little Stolas song to shift his character into being taken seriously. That was the first time we saw him being a sad guy who's done no wrong.

They've also always characterized Stolas as depressed, lonely, weirdly soft; the narrative has always framed him as an innocent dad trying his best. And Blitz has always been this jerk guy from the start.

It seems like they think Stolas is redeemable because he's framed in a softer light. Like none of what he does is his fault, or that his actions & personality can be excused because he has good intentions. But then they'll frame Blitz' past in the same light.

"I did the bad thing, but it's not my fault because my life is worse." Like... the writer's actual morals have bled into these characters almost. They can't just have flaws, or grow and change, but they must be excused or completely villainized depending on who it is.

In the Hellaverse:

- Angel Dust gets excused for assaulting Husk

- Husk gets blamed for not liking that

- Stolas gets excused for assaulting Blitz

- Blitz is villainized for not "loving" him back. By Stolas, the narrative, and Verosika

- Blitz was forced to change for Stolas. Husk was forced to have a heart to heart apology with a guy who doesn't even respect him.

It is such backwards thinking. I never thought protagonist centered morality could go quite THIS far but here we are. The writers' thoughts on display, for all to see. And no wonder the viewers can't come to their own conclusions; Helluva Boss doesn't want you to and it will never let you.

Hazbin Hotel will never truly be about redemption either. The writers wouldn't even know where to start.

[sugaryalpacas]

thinking about the quote where Jim Cary’s character is like “being gay is expensive” bc I recently acquired/rekindled new gay person hobbies -> crocheting and cosplaying. However,,,, it is sapping my wallet LMAO

[enixamyram]

So I saw someone complaining about Chaggie not showing enough physical affection like Fizz and Ozzie do. And someone replied saying they were more like Bee and Tex and yes! This is my new favourite comparison! A lovely sweet couple who is just chill and in love!

[ikrutt]

I don't have a cool gaming rig, so I took Loona out foraging instead.

[blitz-without-the-o]

You know at first I was like "the Vivziepop fatphobic allegations are so dumb, when has the show been fatphobic", and then I remember the Blitz calling Moxxie fat jokes in Helluva Boss that really weren't even kind of funny considering there isn't a shred of fat on Moxxie that Blitz could be seeing so why call him fat, not once but several times. Oh yeah the same thing happens with Mammon to Fizzaroli, forgot about that.

And then we get Hazbin Hotel where all of the characters are still skinny, but you know that's to be expected, until we get to Mimzy who is both the only fat character in the show and also immediately disliked by everyone in the hotel upon arrival except for Charlie who dislikes basically no one except for Adam (with good reason) like, before she had even done anything. She's also not even a good friend to Alastor considering she only came there to dump her loan troubles off on him, so like it kind of feels bad when the only character in this show of stick thin body types twinks and hunks that has your body type is just not that great all around.

Oh and before I forget: Having Lucifer crack a fat joke about Adam during the fight via "letting himself go" when Adam doesn't even look fat? Look the man certainly has a wider silhouette, but wide and flat do not have the same connotations as wide and round, okay? Please understand this. Adam is not a fat character, you can see how square his jaw is when the mask comes off, this is Not a fat guy and Lucifer calling him fat is just as ridiculous as Blitz calling Moxxie fat.

[hideawayfairy]

Hellaverse G/t Appreciation Post

[retrogradedreaming]

My friend wanted a hellaverse prompt list for next month, so I made one! We liked it so much that I wanted to share it 😄

This isn’t an official event, but if you wanna join us, just be 18+ and use #hellatober2024 so we can see!

[funhouse-mirror-barbie]

This will be more of a vent post than it is a critique or review. It’s just something I personally find so agitating and I wanted to talk about it to just get the feelings of my chest.

I hate. And I mean hate. That they named her “Vaggie”

More below cut/includes slight spoilers from released content and leaked audition sheets.

I just. And please keep in mind that this is all my personal opinion and you’re allowed to think whatever you want. You can love her name and think it’s the most creative beautiful name in the world and that’s fine. That’s your opinion, and that’s great!!

But this is my opinion—V’s name isn’t funny. It’s not creative or clever.

It comes off as trying to be “edgy” or daring, but it just flops. And it’s incredibly frustrating to be sapphic (I’m a lesbian) and to see one of only TWO sapphic characters be literally named after “female” genitalia.

And I wondered for a while if I was just being weirdly picky about this, but if this leak turns out to be real (and I am PRAYING it’s not):

Then the exterminators, a seemingly entire female group, are named after genitalia. Like. Why? What is the point of having a group of characters being named after genitals??

I have a hard time describing why this makes me so angry and makes me feel so disrespected. I think it’s because:

1. Whether intentional or not, it comes off as reducing women characters to their genitalia.

2. It’s reducing a sapphic (possibly lesbian, but never confirmed) character to her genitals. Again, whether or not this is intended, the writers have made it so that everyone who hears these characters names immediately thinks “oh like Vagina”. This is even a joke in the prequel comics:

And the FIRST EPISODE:

Apparently the original character that V is based on was actually named “Vagina” just straight up. Oh but they used a Y. Because. That really makes it unique a cool. (Being sarcastic)

3. Again. I don’t care if this was the intent or not. But it feels just so so reductive to name a whole GROUP of women characters after different female genital parts. It’s just disrespectful. And again, I don’t think it was meant to be this—but it just? It’s so reductive and just stupid.

Like. I also want to make it clear that I’d be saying the SAME thing as I am now if it was a male character named “Penissy” or “Scrothomas” or some stupid shit. If Angel Dust’s name was like… “Tainty” or “Schlong” or something I would also be frustrated and upset.

Because that would be the same thing. A gay man character reduced to his genitals. Anyway this is done, it’s disrespectful and feels gross and reductive to me.

But I don’t know what I expected because this is the same writing team that thinks a character referring to himself as “The Dickmaster” and saying “dick” 600 times in a row is peak comedy writing. Ugh.

Again, I’m sorry this is more a personal vent than any sort of review or critique. I’m genuinely hoping that the Lute audition sheet is not anything that will show up in the show, and that Clitorissa and Labianne will never see the light of day. It’s just.

It’s not funny. It’s stupid, and annoying, and I hate it. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

And V deserved to be called by a real name, not a edgy unfunny punchline.

[sentientsliotar]

Charlie & Lucifer

I think Lucifer sees himself in Charlie, she’s willing to challenge him despite him being the most powerful person in hell.

Our first impression of Hazbin Lucifer is the infamous phone call in the pilot.

He’s obviously against the hotel, and made Charlie insecure about herself when discouraging it.

This rift in their relationship could have started long before the hotel, Lucifer could have disapproved of her hopes for the sinners (either because he doesn’t understand it, or wants to protect her, or another reason entirely, I don’t have enough info just yet)

Which makes these scenes more interesting:

I’m not sure baby Charlie was having deep discussions with her dad about the future of the denizens of hell, but there’s obviously turmoil in the family. Just based on the glimpses we’ve gotten so far, I think Lucifer is trying but has no idea what he’s doing.

I think he’s afraid of what could happen as Charlie keeps going further down the path she’s chosen, because he walked a similar one before. We all know about Lucifer’s fall from heaven, when God (his own father) cast him down to hell. I think Lucifer’s going to help Charlie because he doesn’t want to repeat his father’s mistakes, it’s probably going to take a lot to get him to that point. Like a full revolution to make him realise he wants to support his daughter, but he’ll get there eventually.

Helluva Boss and Hazbin Hotel are really driving home the message that communication is the most important thing in any healthy relationship- romantic, platonic, or familial.

I wonder if I’ll learn something from this…

[wannursyafiqah74]

I thought the Hazbin/Helluva critical community was unsafe with how even the nastiest of people criticizing the show get a pass? Somehow??

Both that, and it's ableism getting a pass, as long as it's nothing ""blatant"" (the misusage of "narcissist" is a big one)

It keeps becoming more unsafe. We've got ableist slurs now.

(No screenshots but either way, CW for discussions about ableism and Chai)

I felt uncomfortable with how many people were believing a biased misinterpretation of someone's post about Chai, so seeing another person resort to using the R slur to defend him is so fucked??

Of course, this is not an excuse to dogpile and harass anyone, but dear god, can we please leave the people who have reasons to dislike Chai alone? And can we especially NOT be ableist?? Especially over a guy who doxxed someone on his blog, supports K1w1Farms (a forum solely for bigotry), etc.?

This is the one time I'm bringing up Chai, but it's because someone thinks it's somehow fine to defend him despite the nasty shit he's done. I'm not listing the rest of them here because I did that last time.

I hope to god you all who are somehow okay with Chai can be normal about this. Please, for the love of god, behave.

[thehungerserieshhhb]

"The Drawing" fr. Princess Octavia and Prince Ipos

Some fluff relating to Prince Ipos and Octavia during her youth. Their relationship is a part of the HUNGER series and acts as a catalyst of sorts to Ipos and Stella's relationship (for better or for worse). As you can see, they get along quite well.

[mintaikkcorpse]

The worst thing I found out was that my mom thinks Hazbin Hotel and Helluva Boss are "very cute shows"

[mask131]

I was thinking about something mind-blowing recently.

When it comes to: "Indie Internet project about Hell and the life of its inhabitants, oscillating between serious topics and dark humor, heavily furry-influenced, with a lot of violence and with a lot of sex"... There were actually two exact cases of this precise situation happening. Like... the two ways this basis could go.

One was actually the best way so far. It was, of course, the Helluvaverse: Hazbin Hotel and Helluva Boss.

The other... the other was really the worst road ever. And I am certain that if the Hazbin-haters and other Helluva-harassers knew about the existence of this other one, they would crawl back to the Hazbin/Helluva shows begging for mercy and thanking them for existing.

Do you remember a certain webcomic called... Jack?

*cue to the people who know what I am talking about and proceed to jump out of the window screaming *

Seriously, when you think about it... The "Jack" webcomic is literaly the "horror parallel universe" version of the Helluvaverse. What could have happened if the same basic idea came from a VERY different mind and was handled VERY differently, with VERY different goals.

Both even have a lot of controversies and a vivid hatedom... But by all that is holy and unholy in this world, when you look at the "Jack" content and "Jack" discourse versus the Helluvaverse one, all the Hazbin-haters look like petty, silly children pretending to be grown-ups. Let them glimpse even just the tip of the Jack icerberg and they will rip out their eyes while having a heart attack.

[domesticated-whores]

maybe I'm just a silly little twink whore (I totally already knew that actually) because I not only kin Angel Dust, but also Fizzarolli

[angele-midnight]

Why are so many people on Tumblr/Twitter claiming Hazbin Hotel and Helluva Boss are bad shows??? "They're not mid shows guys they're just bad" can y'all give me one concrete reason they're bad besides debunked "controversies" or things that other people told you were bad about em?

Like I'm halfway convinced all of these people claiming these are such bad shows and are annoyed about em haven't actually watched them - "I don't need to watch a show to know it's bad" pretty sure you do if you want to have an informed opinion, that goes for everything actually.

If you're annoyed by the hype and the fan culture?? That's fine we all got our things but that doesn't make the shows themselves bad I think y'all just like having someone to poke fun of without feeling like a bully and honestly?? That seems like a miserable way to live.

[blue-rose-soul]

Ooo love the devil’s bastard au

In one of your precious posts you mentioned Charlie and Nicaise meeting in heaven and getting to bond. How do you think a meeting like that would go?

They wouldn't know who the other was at first. It's an act of fate (me) that brings them together. I've seen a few different people say that the winners in Heaven don't remember their lives on Earth, but I haven't heard this until recently, and even if Vivienne did say it, I'm hesitant to take Word of God as the absolute truth until it's actually shown in the show proper. Things change in the writing process, you know?

That said, I like the idea so I'm going with it.

As a winner, Nicaise also has some deer-like traits. Her heavenly outfit is all creams and golds, she's got soft doe ears and white speckles across her cheeks, shoulders and arms, as well as a pair of cream-colored wings. Even with the deer traits though, Charlie doesn't make the immediate connection. She's a dark-skinned Creole woman who speaks with a distinct accent from Alastor's, so there's a bit of a disconnect in Charlie's mind.

They probably run into one another while Emily is showing Charlie around, perhaps at the zoo. The winners haven't been informed that they're hosting a guest from Hell because the heavenborn angels don't want to cause a panic or anything, but it becomes clear within a few minutes of conversation that Charlie's different from everyone else in Heaven. How amazed she is by the simplest things. Her sheer awe at the koala. The smell of brimstone that clings to her.

Now, Nicaise knows there's something... off about Heaven. She's known it since she first arrived and she felt like something important had been stolen from her. She just can't put together what that something was. Over the decades, the heavenborn angels have tried to placate her, reassuring that there is nothing missing from her life and that Heaven has everything she'll ever want or need. She calls bullshit. But, realizing she's not going to get anywhere butting heads, she opts to go the more subtle route, seeking out like minded winners and bringing them together. Together, she and her allies have been trying to figure out what the heavenborn are keeping from them, what they lost, but they've hit a lot of walls. Sera is too difficult to approach, and not easy to trick, Emily is just as in the dark as they are, and Adam... Well, Nicaise knows how to deal with repulsive men. But Sera realized pretty quickly what Nicaise was doing and forbid Adam from speaking to her or her cohorts, so that line of investigation was cut short.

Needless to say, Nicaise is thrilled to meet people from outside of Heaven.

She probes Charlie for information and Charlie is plenty happy to talk to someone from Heaven who doesn't seem politely disgusted by her lineage. (Something about Charlie's description of her father strikes a chord in Nicaise. She can't quite solidify the thought.) Emily is surprisingly open to the topic of conversation as well; Sera's never told her any of these things!

Nicaise knows that she must have had a life and a family back on Earth, but it's not until Charlie starts talking about souls passing to Heaven or Hell that she really understands what this means. For just a moment, the veil lifts from her memories. And then they're gone again, like a dream. Charlie, on the other hand, is more than a little peeved that Heaven is actually preventing winners from remembering their own lives. Yes, some of the memories may be painful, but these are their lives! The souls have a right to them, regardless of how painful they were! It's her first hint that Heaven might not be as idyllic as it seems.

Unfortunately, Charlie's meeting with Heaven's higher ups means they don't have as much time together as they would like, nor will they have any way to contact one another once Charlie returns to Hell. But she's left a lasting impact on Nicaise and has an ally in her and Emily both. Emily tells Nicaise everything that happened in the meeting, including the revelation of the exterminations. Nicaise passes this on to her group, who pass it on to more people who pass it on to even more people.

Soon winners all over Heaven are questioning and Sera is panicking. Things get worse for her when Sir Pentious shows up in her office. If she's going to maintain order over Heaven, she needs to find the people responsible for spreading disorder, and get rid of them. Fast.