#anti helluva boss

[technicallydelightfulpenguin]

The representation is so horrible that the skin colors are very grayish.

Viv:I have alot of representation

The representation in question:

Lit almost all of the POC characters have grey skin. I mean the clossest ones are prob Sera and Carmila's daughter.

Plus Velvette is just a stereotype of the aggresive black woman, Carmila and Vaggie are angry Latinas and Vaggie is also the stereotype of an aggressive lesbian who hates men.

Ik Vaggie is an executioner and heaven born, but we hear her speak spanish so i included her.

I didn't include Husk or Niffty, since i can't judge Husk much due to him being a cat. Plus Niffty is white as a sheet of paper, but her real stereotype is an Yandere Japanese girl.

[critifan-666]

Helluva Boss isn't called a fanfiction because it's queer.

It's because Helluva Boss was pitched as a comedy adult show, where 3 imps (the lowest on hell's ladder) and 1 hellhound run all business together, while the boss Blitz is stuck in a deal with one of hell's princes, all to keep his business/found family afloat.

Instead of sticking to their plot, they forced Blitz and his captor into a romanticized relationship, where neither have chemistry with one another, yet it remains the main focus and drama of the show.

Helluva Boss is just a badly written webtoon, with nothing else but a badly written webtoon to bring to the table. This is why Helluva Boss gets called a fanfiction of its former self.

What is a TV show if the only story it has left to tell is a ship, and a poorly adapted one at that?

[vivziepopcriticalconfessions]

"The fat jokes in both these shows (hazbin/helluva) are unfunny garbage. Cold take, I know. And it's egregious when it's targeted ON LITERAL TWIGS (Moxxie and Fizz) and even if those jokes are targeted at badly designed fat characters, these fatphobic jokes seems to push a negative stereotype that fat people are jerks (Adam, Mammon) , or normalizing making fun of fat people."

Submitted by @joinmeintimegirlsouls

[rehabresorts]

Beezelebub

Holy nightmare of all Nightmares, here's Beezlebub, the most scariest Sin of them all, a fun fact about Bee. She's supposedly the mother of hellhounds, and a mother of hellhounds often should encourage her kids to feed her. Sooo.

Beezlebub had cultivated a hellhound hive dedicated to indulgence and whim. Beezlebub wanted her Hellhounds to feed her, and if they don't they are considered dead to her and are sent to Pounds. What kind of pounds is up to you. Because of Beelzebub's rapid hunger it led to the mere destruction of others, and she feeds on weakness and other people's bad decisions (BeezleJuice)

[theloganator101]

Wow what great rep… even though it consists mostly of gays, pans, and bis.

Also why the fuck is Mayberry lesbian? In episode freaking one of the show she was married to a man. It’s literally forcing rep so people wouldn’t complain about there barely being any lesbians in the shows.

[redjoey1992]

Why does Viv try to subvert these moments that would've made Moxxie, Alastor, and Charlie a lot more badass than before? It would've showcased their development/growth, but they ended up getting the short end of the stick.

Moxxie ends up being saved by Millie, Alastor got his ass kicked by Adam and then just vanishes, and Charlie got her ass kicked, and Lucifer has to come in and kicks Adam's ass effortlessly.

Don't these characters deserve a moment of awesomeness on their own without anybody’s help? I'm not saying that it's not okay to ask for help, but these characters should've been able to handle them well on their own.

[3d-model0]

Yes because wanting a cartoon character to die makes you as bad as Satan thank you Shittypop.

Why are you even acknowledging the critical/haters?

[maddness-time-bby]

I hope op knows how correct they are and both sides of their pillow are cold tonight and many nights more

[silkwxtch]

Girl we are basically in the beginning of WW3

[kawaiitail-chan]

I saw this peak masterpiece in my fyp LMAO!

[darwuzhere]

The misogyny here is unnecessarily loud.

And now, commentary on a Hazbin Tiktok that made it onto my Twitter feed!

Brushing aside that second part (I mean it's technically true), HH's Lucifer doesn't look like a devil. At all. Seriously, if you showed him to somebody who'd never heard of Hazbin, I doubt they'd be able to guess that he's the Devil.

I agree with the first part entirely (step on me mommy) but like, how do we know she's evil? She's been onscreen for fifteen seconds tops and hasn't had a single spoken line. Or is it just an educated guess because Viv hates women?

Would the rest of you guys have a problem if I said this one was accurate? I fully support women's rights and women's wrongs, but you gotta draw the line at genocide.

No.

[66kenobi66]

Here's some good Hazbin/Helluva critical videos I've seen (since it's so hard to find good ones on YT)

(Both are by GalXE!)

(Left one is by HezuReviews, right is by Autistic Swag!)

(Both are by Madeline Maye!)

(Both are by Cassidy Whiskey!)

Please go check these people out, all of them are extremely talented. Some of them even shared some insight and clever criticism into this series that I hadn't even thought of! (I especially like the Madeline Mayne ones as they poke into how both HB and HH fail at their queer representation.)

[vivziepopcriticalconfessions]

"It's insane how many people ship Stolas and Blitz, because it's a gay pairing. If it's a straight pairing, people wouldn't be shipping them. What grinds my gears is the fact that the writers are victim blaming Blitz in the Apology Tour, it's brain washing the fans into thinking that Blitz is the abuser, when he's not actually. It's Stolas who is the abuser. Stolas was the one who made the deal in the first place to sexually coerce Blitz into sex. Stolas had the audacity to question why Blitz think everything is all about sex. Stolas was the one who sexually coerced Blitz and sexually harasses him in public. Another thing is that Stolas is an ungrateful twat. Moxie and Millie saved Stolas from Striker and he had the audacity to say that Blitz couldn't be bothered to come save him. And people are calling Blitz terrible for not saving him, when Blitz was taking care of Loona in the hospital. Another thing is that, Stolas could save himself! He's a powerful prince! He's supposed to be powerful than Striker and Alastor and yet, Stolas is playing the damsel in distress, and waits for knight in shining armor to rescue him. In the episode mastermind, it was a whole load of crap. Stolas was insulting Blitz, during his song. I cringed at the part when Blitz said 'you're my heart', like WTF! In the season 1, it was clear that Blitz had no feelings for Stolas, so when did Blitz start to have feelings for Stolas. The season 2 finale was absolutely horrible! They're painting Octavia as the bad daughter, when she had every right to call out Stolas's actions! The fact that Blitz is acting like a butler in the finale, when he never wanted to be Stolas's like butler. Blitz saying 'that cheating is not a big deal anymore', is just an excuse to justify Stolas's cheating. Back in season 1, it was never implied that Stella was always abusive to Stolas, but in season 2, they decided to make her a wasted potential villain to justify Stolas's cheating. Point is that Stolas is a neglectful, ungrateful, pathetic manchild! Stolas would have been an interesting character, if he remained as the villain!!"

Submitted by @feline-dragoness

[sapphic-agent]

This is plot manipulation if I've ever seen it.

Let me be clear, making Stella abusive is not the issue. The issue is the pandering the narrative does to Stolas here. Stolas is shown to us as a bright-eyed, sensitive kid. Stella, as a child as young as Stolas and in the same position as him, is shown to us as a violent and malicious heathen. It goes out of its way to establish, before they've even met, that Stella is the abuser and Stolas is the poor victim.

Viv says she was inspired by Bojack Horseman. As a HUGE fan of BH, I think her and the other writers really missed the mark. For reference, let's look at Bojack and his abusive mother Beatrice, both as children.

Do you see the difference? Do you see the way it's emphasized that they both started out as just children in shitty situations?

And they still maintain that Beatrice was a monster. They humanize her without excusing her behavior. They humanize Bojack without excusing his behavior. No one starts off as a bad person, but the fact that the HB writers try to hammer in that Stella from the start was an irredeemable monster while Stolas is the sole victim throughout his entire life doesn't sit well with me

[dwewi66]

They'll never make me hate you.

[autumnteawithfriends]

The Pinterest side of HH/HB slander is underrated

As a bonus, some GOATED comments

(NOTE! None of these were made by me and I cropped some images so stans don’t harass these people)