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nightowl1556 · 4 months ago
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bibluebutterfly · 1 year ago
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Seeing a lot of people start hate on Helluva and how it portrays Greed compared to Lust And Gluttony, so let’s get into my 2 cents. This may be controversial, but I do think Helluva portrayed the sins well and here’s why.
Yes, on the outside, Mammon is definitely the most asshole of the sins we’ve seen so far, but this DOESN’T mean that Bee or even Ozzie are angels.
First of all, Bee ONLY stopped Blitz because he was indulging for PRIDE, not for Gluttony. With all of her other guests, she was more than okay with letting them get complete shit faced to a destructive degree.
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As for Ozzie, it’s been proven via “Ozzie’s” that he okay with cheating, going so far as to praise Stolas for it. He’s aware Stolas risked everything for the affair, and praised him for doing so. He straight up encourages people to be as kinky and as nasty as they possibly can. Basically for him, if it’s consensual, go wild.
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(Not to mention, he’s in a healthy, loving GAY relationship with his jester. While not inherently bad, it’s more than enough to make a deeply traditional Christian faint. Which does kind of seem to be the goal for the show.)
In the end: Ozzie and Bee are just as destructive as Mammon is. HOWEVER, they are so in a way where it’s not as obvious and they’re not as bad because of it.
Because they only fully indulge in Lust and Gluttony 110%, they’re still able to be relatively decent people because completely indulging in those sins doesn’t inherently make you an asshole. It can make you hella harmful, especially mixed with other sins, but on their own they’re somewhat manageable. (I say somewhat because again: cheating and health destruction are a thing).
Also it should be noted that despite being nice people Bee and Ozzie are still HORRIBLE influences. Like if they’re those people who your parents will disapprove of you being friends with.
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But besides that, you can be lustful and gluttonous to 110% and still be a nice person to be around. Not a good person, but a nice one.
HOWEVER, you cannot be greedy to the max and be a nice person.
Here’s the thing; Mam, Bee, and Oz don’t have limits to their own sins. All 3 are still destructive as hell, it’s just that Bee and Oz’s sins allow them to have healthy relationships DESPITE that.
Bee, for all her faults, is a wild party girl. However, her gluttonous nature also allows her to completely indulge in love and affection, hence why she can have such an adorable relationship with Tex.
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Ozzie is equally as wild but is also horny and kinky as fuck. But it works because Fizz is just as crazy in bed as he is, and arguably even crazier in general. Fizz is a kinky little gremlin who not only makes Ozzie laugh, but more importantly can keep up with him. That’s part of what allows them to be as happy and wholesome as they are.
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Mammon however, cannot be at his sin 110% and keep a relationship. It’s just not possible and I honestly don’t think he wants a relationship with someone anyway, as that means he’d have to share something with another person, which he is simply not capable of doing.
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In the end, all the sins are destructive. That’s just fact. However, because of their specific sins (and the fact that they don’t mix with the others), some are able to hold up healthier lifestyles and relationships than others.
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tranquil-slaughterhouse · 1 year ago
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drama-glob · 7 months ago
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To think all those happy moments with Ozzie outweighed so significantly in Fizz's mind that all the suffering he endured for 15 years (a huge chunk of which was unnecessary had he quit Mammon sooner ;_; ) that it was enough to say his life had been pretty great. It's still just so unbelievably sad though that poor Fizz thought he had to put up with this:
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all so he could keep this. ;_; <3<3<3
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klaudia96art · 8 months ago
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a compliment for @juulcheesecake redesigned by me I hope you like it couldn't resist this fantastic challenge 😉💕#juul30kdtiys
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lilivae · 3 months ago
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Gotta fix up all the fizz bots to be in tip top shape! So much fun to draw this
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anthurak · 1 year ago
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As someone who was very curious as to how Mammon was going to be presented in Helluva Boss, you can probably imagine I was looking through the new episode very closely.
And while I may have been off the mark with my theory that Mammon would follow the trend of Asmodeus and Beelzebub and NOT actually be antagonistic, I nonetheless think it is VERY interesting how Vivzie and the team handled and presented him.
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Specifically, in just how PETTY Mammon is shown to be in this episode.
Like really think about what you might generally expect from a character like Mammon just from a basic background description: He is one of the seven rulers of Hell, lord of the seven rings and embodiment of GREED. Likely a fallen angel who helped to create hell as it exists today, is matched in power only by his five fellow Sins, and is functionally only truly outranked by Lucifer himself.
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And yet, Mammon’s characterization in this episode presents him as this petty, selfish, manipulative asshole interested in little more than money and attention. He acts more like a shitty, full-of-himself asshole celebrity than a demon lord. Just look at how he manipulates Fizzerolli, not through lording power and authority over him but through emotional coercion like an abusive parent, ex-, or boss, which is precisely WHAT he is presented as. fi
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What makes this even more interesting is that despite Mammon being characterized as Fizz’s petty, manipulative boss, we nonetheless see him display all the POWER and experience we’d expect from one of the seven rulers of Hell. Asmodeus mentions earlier in the episode that he’s known Mammon ‘since the START of Hell’, confirming they were both involved in its creation, and when the two square off at the end, it’s clear that Mammon is very much Ozzie’s EQUAL in power, and that everyone else present is pretty much an insect in comparison.
This is what I think makes the inclusion of that one creepy, obsessive fan of Fizzerolli’s in this episode so significant; he serves as a point of comparison to Mammon.
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For all the power and authority that he might wield, Mammon is characterized as being no different/better than a creepy, manipulative, entitled and obsessive stalker.
I think this might be the true common ‘thru-line’ connecting all of the seven sins through Helluva Boss and possibly even Hazbin Hotel: That despite essentially being ‘God-Emperors’ of Hell and outclassed in power likely only by the most powerful angels of Heaven itself, the seven sins are characterized in a very grounded, down-to-earth and for lack of a better term, ‘human’ way.
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All the times we’ve seen them, Ozzie, Bee and Mam haven’t presented themselves as these all-powerful beings lording themselves over their subjects like we might expect or even what we’ve seen of the Goetic nobility. They don’t present themselves as ‘royalty’ but rather more like celebrity performers, which is certainly in keeping with Vivzie’s comments about how Hell is meant to represent a circus.
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It really gives this fascinating dichotomy to the Sins as characters, where they’re presented as these big wacky celebrities with big, over-the-top personas which in turn hide very grounded, down-to-earth people underneath. While at the same time still being these monstrously powerful and ancient beings whose dominion over Hell is entirely uncontested.
It also gives them a nice contrast with the Goetic Nobility and the Sinner Overlords. Like those two groups actually do act and present themselves like demonic ‘royalty’ who lord themselves over those considered ‘beneath’ them, while in reality they’re at best the ‘middle-managers’, and instead it’s these wacky characters who are the TRUE masters of Hell.
It may even continue into what we might see in Hazbin Hotel, what with Charlie being this bubbly, happy-go-lucky Disney-esque princess who also may very well have power outclassing literally EVERYONE else in the show apart from her parents.
Overall, I loved this episode and I think we may now have a good idea what we might expect from the other Sins, and possibly even Lucifer himself in Hazbin Hotel.
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datchidatchi · 5 months ago
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Small sketchdump.
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deannamb · 4 months ago
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The idea of baby Sins tickles my brain..
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gensordraws · 1 year ago
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Apparently I have to post this here cause people don’t think I have a tumblr too. I’m the actual artist of this drawings, I originally posted it on twitter so if you see this other then on this page it’s not me… the last one was a thank you but not risking it. (I also posted them on instagram and twitter)
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geistundmaterie · 5 months ago
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Knowing that Mammon isn't that interested in sex himself yet fully "rationally understands" it's appeal, masterfully using other people's sexual drives against themselves and profiting from it, makes his character even more likeable and complex to me. Like, you go king, capitalize on those cunts.
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roorkich · 1 year ago
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MAMMON
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magicalbunbun · 9 months ago
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drama-glob · 7 months ago
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Given the red aesthetic and Andrealphus appearing, I'm guessing these are all from the "Sinsmas" episode since I doubt a minimum of two Deadly Sins would go up to Pride to not deal with something named after them. I love the fact that we'll get to Satan regardless of which episode it is as well as that Mammon has a business jester suit, a fidget spinner and a finger skateboard. XD XD XD
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the-irreverend · 1 year ago
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There are a lot of great things about this opening scene and one of them is showing how Fizz and Blitz's childhoods ended up affecting them later in their lives.
You see, the relationship that Cash (Blitzo's dad) had with them both is a textbook example of a Golden-Scapegoat dynamic where a toxic parent showers one child with endless praise and the other with endless blame.
Interestingly, the abuse that Blitzo bore the brunt of (being the Scapegoat) gave him the awareness needed to be able to recognize those who employ the kind of abuse and manipulation he endured. That's why he was better able to detect the massive red flags sticking out of Mammon. On the other hand, because Fizz was the golden child, he was vulnerable to the emotional manipulation of those who would exploit him, be it his idols or even his fans.
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majosullivan · 1 year ago
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There’s just something about Fizz being used his entire life by greedy narcissistic men to rake in as much money as possible while presenting themselves as a father figure (with Fizz possibly being an orphan considering we haven’t seen any family members of his??? Check me on that if the crew has mentioned anything about Fizz’s family) that is doing the most feral shit to my brain
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