#and there's the same actor that played jin guangyao in the untamed and I can' help but find him sus here too because of this fact

[r-aindr0p]

Currently on vacation, so I don't have as much time as I would like to draw but I started a new cdrama during the trip eeee

It's "Miss the dragon" I just stumbled on a random scene of it on yt and ended up watching the whole episode afterwards

[ziracona]

I thought the ending to The Untamed was perfect.

I knew it would be different from the book, because of censorship. And I thought they couldn’t have done a better job.

You’ve got this story about a broken society with prejudices of class and sex and background, and how the way things are, you can’t be truly happy within the system. In the book, Wei Wuxian and Lan Zhan leave the system together to get married, because they can’t stay within the cultivation world and be gay and live the same, and find happiness outside it. In the book, you get this lifetime of pining from Lan Zhan, and slow realization from Wei Wuxian, and a bond that goes through and overcomes death itself. And in the show, they give you as much of that as they can too. They have to make it subtext, but boy does every single actor hit that gay shit hard. Every single reaction shot to Wang Yibo is him carrying the gay subtext on his back like Atlas.

It’s absolutely still a love story about two men. One who fights to keep the other alive, and fails, then fights not to lose him again when gifted a miracle. The other, trying to do the right thing and being punished and demonized every step of the way, because right doesn’t coincide with ‘accepted.’ It’s often directly opposed.

But they aren’t allowed to make it canon. So they follow that thread. They can be in love, if they don’t say it. They can have the intense feelings, if an audience can pretend they’re friends. But they can’t get together. So they don’t. They go ‘if they can’t, then what happens?’ and they don’t give you the emotional out of letting them go off together as ‘friends’ so the audience can be happy, because that’s not a reading of the relationship. They aren’t friends; they’re in love. Because he’s not openly gay, Lan Zhan can be asked to run his sect, which means he has to stay. If he can’t choose to go with Wei Wuxian and run away, then Wei Wuxian is forced to return to his fate and be alone. It’s heartbreaking. But it’s supposed to be.

Denying an audience what they want is one of the most powerful tools media has. A whole story about fighting the entire world for a man you love as another man, 50 episodes, and then you don’t get to be happy together, because it’s being shown to a world that won’t allow that end.

Wei Wuxian is heartbroken. They go to part ways, and he tells Lan Zhan next time they meet, he better have a name for the song he wrote them. A song that has always been called Wangxian, or Wuji. A song that is literally the ship name, their names combined. Both in world and metatextully, he’s telling him to make a choice.

And they leave, and Wei Wuxian starts playing Wangxian on the flute. They’ve parted, and Lan Zhan stops because he can hear the song that’s literally written by him about loving Wei Wuxian and named after their ship, being played after him as a call of the life they could still choose to have. The call to run away together.

And it’s called not The Grandmaster of Demonic Cultivation, but The Untamed, after that quote. “At best, you’re the untamed hero; At worst, you offend people wherever you go.” - “Wei Wu Xian! Don’t you understand? When you’re standing on their side, you’re the bizarre genius, the miraculous hero, the force of the rebellion, the flower that blooms alone. But the second your voice differs from theirs, you’ve lost your mind, you’ve ignored morality, you’ve walked the crooked path.”

Because that’s what it’s about. It’s about the disconnect from society and right. Again and again. The way people are treated for their birth, their love, their affiliation. The fate of the Wen remnants who didn’t fight, Jin Guangyao’s entire reason for being there, all the broken relationships and tension, even the very reasons people hate Wei Wuxian and kill him the first time. And in the show, allowed to exist for the book’s overwhelming popularity and success, but not allowed the freedom of the book—only allowed in the closet, it seven more about that in regards to the core romance itself. It’s a deep, beautiful gay romance, not allowed to show a gay romance to their audience.

And so they lean into that. You can’t have ‘MDZS without the gay romance.’ It doesn’t exist. It wouldn’t be the same story. It’s a story about, and in every step and nuance, only possible because of, the romantic and sexual feelings of deep connection between two men. So the story is MDZS with the love, but you can’t show it. You can’t let it out of the shadows. You can’t let it be seen. And you can’t have the happy ending MDZS earns, without the freedom to love each other and live the life they want together, that makes it possible. — They can’t have them get married, so they make you see what a world where being gay and together isn’t allowed looks like for those characters, because that’s what this story is being forced by censorship to be. And it fucking sucks. It hurts. It’s agony and disappointment, after all this, that death can’t beat you but the world can.

But they have him call out to Lan Zhan to reconsider. To choose Wangxian over the end they have to have. And he does. And you see Wei Wuxian look overjoyed that he heard Wangxian and answered. But they never show the reverse shot. We hear Lan Zhan, but we can’t see him, because it’s not allowed. It’s censored. They literally don’t ‘show us’ him changing his mind, because they’re not allowed to, and they make a point of that. It cuts immediately to “We thank the author Mo Xiang Tang Xiu for bringing these characters to life.”

We thank the author for letting them truly live.

“May their wishes in the future come true.” May the system change. May the last frame be allowed.

[myfriendsarerealidiots]

Comparing Adaptations

‘Kay so I went on one of my whims again and did something stupid. Couple weeks or so ago, I wasn’t really in the mood to watch anime so I opened up Netflix and watched a Cdrama that I wanted to watch for a while now.

That Cdrama was ‘The Untamed’ which, prior to me watching it and doing said whim, I thought was just your typical historic Cdrama. Oh boy I was wrong. As I was watching it, I was thinking to myself, “This show’s really selling itself off as BL.” Which, I found out after finishing it was because it is BL. Hah...and that was just the start of it.

As I was doing my ‘Post-show research,’ I found out that it was based of a novel, called ‘Mo Dao Zu Shi’or as translated by the people on the internet as ‘Grandmaster of Demonic Cultivation.’ Said novel had 2 more adaptations along with ‘The Untamed’ which were a manhua and a donghua. So me being me, I decided to watch the donghua adaptation and read both the og novel and manhua.

So how I went through this was...

The Untamed (2019)

The Donghua aka Anime I guess

The Manhua which I read while having class (such a responsible student aren’t I)

The original novel

All hail this person who has too much free time on her hands.

Anyways, as it says on the tin, I’ll be comparing the 4 adaptations/versions of the story and see what changes between them as well as the pros and cons. (Wow I sound so professional)

Some background of myself just to avoid confusion

I am not a mega hardcore Fujoshi. I don’t really enjoy reading smut, nor am I old enough to do so bear that in mind

I have 7 years worth of Chinese lessons under my belt which means I barely understand a thing and that I can get some of the jokes like how Wei Ying’s sword is called ‘Sui Bien’ and it’s funnier to hear in Chinese. In other words, compared to like actual Chinese people who live in China, I pretty much have the knowledge of a 10 year old.

The versions of the Manhua and Novel that I read were translated in English so somethings might have been lost in translation.

I have a bit of a goldfish brain so forgive me if I wrote something wrong or forgot the name of a certain character, most likely I will look it up to correct it but if I don’t...well sorry.

I am writing my opinions on each version as I finish them, so if they don’t link up to the original that’s the reasoning behind it.

All of these are my opinions and thoughts on the story. You are not entitled to follow them if you disagree. I personally believe that everyone has a voice of their own and they should use it. (Even though I don’t half of the time.)

Slight Spoiler Warning

I will be breaking down some of the scenes and characters for my comparisons so please keep that in mind.

The Untamed (2019)

As this was my first exposure to the story, I didn’t know what to expect. I loved everything about it except for the fact that literally half of the show was spent in the past, building context for what was happening in the present.

The characters were lovable and all had distict personalities, especially Wei Ying and Lan Zhan which I guess makes sense since they’re the main characters (their actors are also cute and have good chemistry.) Speaking of characters, Yanli has a more forward role in the story here compared to the other versions. The way certain characters were introduced was different too. Since it’s live action, it’s also harder to show things like extreme blushing and such so it makes Lan Zhan look very stoic and way more unexpressive here than in the other versions.

The soundtrack is nice to listen to, especially with the 2 mains singing the theme song together it’s so cute and gives it another meaning in itself. Although, I do wonder how that poor bamboo flute Wei Ying made in like 2 mins plays decent sounding music. Chen Qing(is this the name of it?), the flute he uses after his trip to the Burial Grounds has the same sound quality as that bamboo flute which is just, “how???”

They took out most of the extreme BL!!! I feel like that is the biggest difference between this version and all the rest. I know they did that to appeal to more people but it does remove some of the context to things. That doesn’t mean the moments that were kept in weren’t cute though. It did make the pair look more plantonic than romantic.

As for the story itself, as a story on its own, it’s nice, as an adaptation that’s where the line gets blurry but it leans more towards the good side. They did indeed change some things, made them work better with the medium than if they didn’t.

An example I can place is the mask. Where the other versions used white make up with oddly placed red circles around the eyes, this one used a mask instead. I agree with the choice they made, seeing as they removed the fact that Mo Xuanyu was homosexual and so the make up wouldn’t make sense. It also looks nicer than what I imagined what could’ve happened with they kept with the make up. They do make a reference to this in the show when Jin Ling and Wei Ying have a conversation in Carp Tower. “You’ve seen my face right?” “How do I know? Your face is always caked in make up or covered by that mask.”

Another issue I had which I’ll touch on later was the first episode—I had no idea what was going on for those 40 minutes of screentime.

Donghua

As of writing this post, season 3 of this has yet to come out.

My first reaction to this was “Man, the animation’s pretty, and they made Wei Ying look scarier.” Watching stuff at 12 in the morning isn’t the best thing but that’s what I do.

Anywho, this version made Wei Ying really attracted to going down the path of ‘evil’ compared to the other versions. I don’t really understand why they made this change...but they did so we have to deal with that. And his eyes glow red!! It makes him look scary and cool at the same time. I love it!!

The transitions between certain events were a bit weird to say the least. For example, at the end of episode 2/3 Wei Ying gets forcibly dragged into the Cloud Recesses and the episode ends there. By the next episode, we’re 16/23/13 however many years in the past. This makes it really confusing for someone who hasn’t watched or read any other version of the story. It definitely made me confused and I already finished one.

While ‘The Untamed’ told us everything in one long flashback, the donghua broke it up into small chunks placed whenever information was needed. I don’t think that was a good idea, but then I also think it was a better decision than what they did for the Cdrama. As I watched this adaptation, I found myself confused from time to time because what happened in the prior episode didn’t always match what happened in the current episode like I mentioned earlier.

As for the artstyle, personally, I think some of the characters look similar minus the hair. However, I do like the little ways they made Lan Zhan express his feelings towards Wei Ying.

Speaking of which, when I first saw them together in this version in the forest near the Goddess Temple, I had to do a bit of a double take because of the height difference which wasn’t so evident in ‘The Untamed’. I soon found out that Lan Zhan was taller than Wei Ying before and after he gets reincarnated(?) Prior, it was just a small gap of 2cm which later turned to 6cm after possessing Mo Xuanyu.

I didn’t notice their height gaps while watching ‘The Untamed’ because Wei Ying’s actor, Xiao Zhan, is taller than Lan Zhan’s actor, Wang Yi Bo by about 2 inches which is like 5 cm? and so they had to do some weird thing with platforms to make Xiao Zhan look shorter in comparison.

Soundtrack wise, I personally think that ‘The Untamed’ was better in that sense. Where it had an amazing souding flute, this one had minor earrape in a nutshell.

This version made itself, in my eyes look more like a historical fighting anime as opposed to the BL vibes I was getting from ‘The Untamed’ and the other versions. They added a lot of action scenes and made the mystery more interesting for me. Along with this, the overall look and feel of this made it seem like it came from a completely different source material.

Manhua

Small FYI, as of writing this post the Manhua is at 147 Chapters.

(I should’ve kept up the trend and got a screenshot from that scene in the Manhua but I didn’t so here we are with gay rabbits.)

As your local internet friend who reads more manga than normal books nowadays, I enjoyed reading the manhua and finished it in a couple days.

Compared to the first 2 versions here, these last 2 are both things that you have to read to get through, albeit one has pictures and one doesn’t.

While normally, one would read silently, I like listening to music while I do. And seeing as the OST of ‘The Untamed’ sounds really nice, I listened to it while reading both the manhua and novel when I could.

This one brought out the BL elements that were missing from the first 2. They gave Wei Ying and Lan Zhan a lot of kissing or just straight up affectionate scenes which I think ties in with the general theming of the original novel more.

As this one is probably the closest of the adaptations to the original, it’s the least confusing to read, although that might’ve been influenced by my experiencing the story for the third time at this point. I say that, however, there were many story elements that weren’t present in either one prior to this.

Examples this can be seen with their collecting of body parts that belonged to the former Nie Sect Leader. In ‘The Untamed’ they find the sword spirit which guides them through the rest of the story. In the Donghua adaptation, they get the arm, but also get the head of the the Jin with the hundred holes curse which was an original addition. Here, they get the arm from Mo Manor, find the other one then find the torso and so on before finding the head in Jin GuangYao’s possession.

The flashbacks in this version were also executed really well, in my opinion, as it doesn’t feel super confusing while reading it and it gives just enough information to help the events unfold. It also gives us a chance to see how much of an ass(sorry) Wei Ying was when he was the Yiling Patriach from his own perspective as well as give us a moment of WangXian in the middle of all that chaos.

Novel

Here’s a picture of gay rabbits for everyone.

At this point, I was switching between the novel and the Manhua to read whichever one I wanted at any given time which might have blurred my sense of what belonged in each one so I’ll try my best to make sure.

Since this one is the original source material, it was clear from the get go that this will be the one with the least confusing version of events and the most amount of detail.

I was surprised on how close the manhua and ‘The Untamed’ was to the novel. Although, the former condensed the mystery to fit within the timeframe while the latter hasn’t finished just yet.

Personally, I like this author, and will probably read more of her works further down the line. Even though the version I read was in english, I still could feel the meaning behind certain aspects which I think shows her skill as an author.

The novel clearly shows the mischief that goes through Wei Ying’s head and their gradual (I say gradual but I think Lan Zhan just snapped) change of attitudes towards each other.

Arc One- Mo Manor

Past here I’ll break down the first arc of each one because I think all of them did it in relatively different ways. Be warned for spoilers if you haven’t watched or read all of them.

The Untamed (2019)

Out of all of these versions, this one definitely had me scratching my head in confusion the most even after watching it a second time once I finished the entire show.

As the only version that had the curse issued at the start as a moving factor of the story as well as the Yin Iron which was specifically made for this version, it didn’t explain enough at the start.

There were many things I could say were wrong about this beginning, from starting at a flashback to not properly introducing us to our characters but the biggest problem in my mind was the lack of explanation at the present.

Like I mentioned, starting at a flashback is a terrible idea as it gives the viewer high expectations only for it to be crushed the second it ends. Here, it shows a small portion of the battle at the Nightless City without much context then it quickly changes to 16 years later with a seemingly random group of people.

Another issue is the amount of useless characters who were introduced. In the other versions, there were only 2 Lan disciples who were given names and were introduced properly while here there were more than I want to count. Add to that the one telling stories about the YiLing Patriarch and the weird guy walking around with a flag, and you got yourself total confusion.

Donghua

This one was slightly less confusing to watch. As it starts with a clip of Wei Ying commanding corpses which matches the overall feel of the donghua. The rumors that he died stretched over the time skip and we meet this version of Mo Xuanyu who is caked with make up, whether or not he was a cut-sleeve (gay) in this version, I forgot.

It fully explains the curse and instead of having a couple of Lan disciples just standing there watching, we get to focus on the 2 important ones, Lan Sizhui and Lan JiYing. It gives us a slightly deeper insight into Wei Ying’s mind, as he states ‘you got the wrong one,’ just after being reincarnated, indicating that he isn’t as vicious as painted by the first few minutes of the show. Like the other versions, they also show how he considers the cons of using his demonic abilities and that Sizhui would probably tell on him to Lan Zhan, meaning that Sizhui was a keen, observant young man.

Manhua and the Novel

As for the introductions, these two were very similar. Both have the rumors of the Yiling Patriarch across the screen as we get further down the story and meet our main character.

It gets the details from the Donghua adaptation and mixes it with more information to create a more detailed account of what was happening, also making this Wei Ying seem smarter compared to his counterparts in other versions. He also hesitates more on showing his abilities, knowing that he’s going to be caught if he does.

Final Thoughts

As of writing this, I’m only halfway through the novel but it covers the portion until where the manhua is currently at. I would finish reading it before posting this but it would take too long and probably make this post even longer than it currently is, which isn’t such a good idea. If I had much more patience and effort I would really like to break down each arc and their differences from one another but I can’t be bothered right now. (Sorry)

I can safely say that in terms of adaptations, ‘The Untamed’ is relatively close to the novel, albeit a very condensed version. As flashback filled as it is, it wasn’t very confusing to watch past the first two episodes.

The Donghua adaptation takes several liberties, going more of an action oriented route instead of the calmer more, I wouldn’t say love but character oriented novel.

The manhua is definitely the closest to the novel, so if you really don’t want to read a lot of words, and I mean a lot of words, then go ahead and read it.

What else do I have to say...if you’re new to the story, welcome, if you’re a veteran who’s been here longer than me, sorry for taking up space on your feed. And congrats for making it to the end.

[inessencedevided]

The Untamed, episode 41 - watching notes

Only 10 episodes left 😭😭😭

And we're now entering Nie Mingjue's memories. I have a feeling there's going to be some serious "oh shit!" and "wtf is happening???" going on

Jgy's backstory still moves me, no matter what he did later

I feel like both his and wwx stories are cautionary tales of what happens when you combine a rigid class-system with a mob mentality and top it all of with a healthy amount of "manners over morals"

I feel like JGY main strategy is "hold your tongue and bite your time". I completely fell for his sweet facade in the first few episodes of the flashback

Jo, did NMJ just ram his saber into a stone wall? 😱

NMJ may have anger issues, but he's a good dude

I think he took the "the more perfectly you should be, to leave them with nothing to say" to heart. Like, he never outwardly complains.

Another perfectly timed screenshot I thought I should share :D

Oh, we've seen that before!

How can this be the same person that I thought would be the designated fandom cinnamon role in ep 2/3?? 🥺

I know I'm praising actors left and right during this commentary,but ALL TGE AWARDS for how smoothly JGY changes his demeanor from humble and sweet quasi-servant to "you're not worthy of breathing the same aor as me"

This

And this

Might as well be two different characters

I wonder if, when the NMJ send him away, he realised and regretted, that he had just lost one of the only people who were truly on his side and if he thought it was worth it

One thing I find very interesting in the scene in the Scorching Sun palace is that, jgy is still wearing his hair in the braided style that is customary for the Nie clan. I think I'll try to spot when he changes it

Okay, scratch my earlier musings about if JGY feels genuine regret over how he had to leave NMJ. He clearly doesn't 😐

Gotta give it to him though, he puts gollum to shame with how he switches his personality

Only it's deliberate

And he's not insane

... don't know where I was going with this

So we're at the point where Nie Mingjue wakes in Lan Xichen's arms. Seen that before

Which leaves me asking: WHAT PART OF THIS IS THE ACT??

I wonder though, how they could convince NMJ to become sworn brothers with him after that while story

He does not seem like a man who forgets a grudge easily ^^

That scene of the three of them meditating and playing the Quin is weirdly domestic :D maybe it's just because, so far, we've only seen wwx and lwj in a similar situation together 😅

Why do I still ship Lan Xichen and JGY after all that happened? Because of scenes like these!!!!

JGY *plays Quin ominously*

Didn't know that was possible :D

The fuck???

Why is he coughing blood?

Lwj is playing "Clarity" in the present time to calm him down! Ten points for parallels!

Poor Lan Xichen. Why do I have a feeling that he's the designated buffer between them? 🙈

Sorry for the lack of intelligent commentary, but I'm trying to wrap my head around how much of a puppeteer JGY is ...

I've already mentioned this, but I appreciate the parallels between jgy and wwx and how they differ. Both operate very much outside the orthodoxy, in large part due to them not being born into it. The crucial difference is their goals. One seeks to gain power to not only find his place within the system, but rise above all those who ever looked down on him, too. The other wants to change the system for all those others who are also hurt by it.

Two characters with very similar backgrounds diverging on very different paths

And I appreciate it that it's spelled out in his rant to NMJ here

This is SO telling. I adore this scene! Before I would have calked him simply selfish (and he is, don't get be wrong). But he also probably grew up in a world where he could never be truly save and never feel equal to anyone. Everything be has, he had to fight for.

I just wrote that he and wwx had the same background? I retract that because there is one huge difference. Wwx was loved. From what I've heard, his parents loved him. Then, of course, he has to endure live as a homeless kid, but he was adopted by a foster-father who loved him and had siblings he shared everything with. Of course, he still never felt as if he quite belonged or was enough (Madam Yu saw to that) and that left it's own scars, culminating in all gbe times he rather took on all burdens himself rather than ask for goddam help once. But he was loved. Loved and appreciated and cared for. It seems, that jgy never knew that, probably until NMJ took him as his Vice General. So he learned to survive in the shadows and bite his time until the opportunity arose, never fully trusting anyone.

Does that excuse anything or rid him of responsibility? Nope. But it makes for a damn interesting character

I AM SHOOK!

That exchange between Nie Mingjue and Jin Guangyao was such a brilliantly crafted piece of dialogue!!! 😱😱😱

Because, if, and I think by now that that's likely, jgy turns out to be the main villain of this arc, then he is one o can at least partially understand. He's right in saying that NMJ has no right to claim that his actions are all just. He's gained his position by virtue of his birth and he's working within a system that justifies itself through mixture of imagined moral high ground and the virtue of blood heritage. No action to uphold that can be truly just.

At the same time, I believe, jgy turned those believes into a self-fulfilling prophecy. He himself schemes and uses other people's worst impulses and the faults in the cultivation world to his advantage. Proofing to himself, again and again, that he is right about them and thus justified in his actions. Enter wwx who tries, who really tries to shove the error of their ways in their faces. (I think I just answered my question from a few episodes back about why jgy seems to be working specifically against wwx 🤔)

Sorry for going on such a tengant

NMJ, did you have to call him a son of a whore? 🙄

The hell is happening to NMJ?

Oh shit, what did he do with the song of clarity? How could you even use that to harm someone??

So he tweaked it?

Oh no 😥😥😥

Let me get this straight. JGY intentionally brought NMJ to the point of qui deviation? 😳

Oh no Huaisang!! 😭😭😭

Xue Yang??? He worked with JGY? 😱😱😱

So he didn't doe of Qui deviation!!!

Fuck, JGY spotted paperman-wwx 😳

Honestly wwx, maybe it's not the best idea ever to put your conscious into something that can be crushed by accidentally stepping on it 😬

That's his sword!!!

Didn't wwx just reveal who he is???

Maybe don't do that?!?!

HE CAN WIELD HIS SWORD AGAIN!!! 😭😭😭

but jgy definitely figured out who he is ... 😐

Still, I'm weirdly proud of him :')

But wait! Why does jgy have his sword to begin with???

Aww, little exhausted paperman-wwx flopping down into lwj's hand 🖤

This episode liveblog has been far too serious so far. Here, have my favourite lan Wangji mood:

I really appreciate how seamlessly this show moves between serious scenes and comedy

Jin Ling going "what do you want?" followed by 5 beats of silence and then

had me wheezing 😂

Oh no, he's hidden everything already, hasn't he?

Wow, even Xichen is defiant now. I sense drama!!!

@sweetlittlevampire @fandom-glazed @elenirlachlagos @allhailthedramallama @luckymoony @kyrrahbird @i-love-him-on-purpose (this episode was enlightening, but still raised more questions. Feels like we're honestly entering the final arc of this show 😔)

[berestweys]

thinky thoughts

now that i’ve finished the untamed (and now that lauren’s finished it), a few things i thought were great, and the not great things, mostly as compared to the novel. this is spoilery i guess, so mind yourself if you’re planning to read mo dao zu shi and/or watch chen qing ling.

the great:

1) the casting! almost universally i loved the casting. it makes no sense in-’verse that wei wuxian has the same body and face in both lifetimes, but i’m just as willing to handwave it away as the show is because, what? were they going to have a different actor play wei wuxian in his second life when they had most-beautiful-human-alive xiao zhan at their disposal??? i think not! no one wants any face but his in that role. so it’s fine. silly silver mask and all. and absolutely everyone else was great. (wang yibo is someone i would never give a second glance in real life, but he embodies lan wangji so well it’s like his entire face is transformed into pure handsomeness. how can anyone be that good at acting? i’m so very impressed.)

at first i was dubious about the change from 13 to 16 years between wei wuxian’s death and reincarnation, but i quickly realized that was a good choice. if the ducklings had all been aged 13-16 instead of 16-19 it would be a very different dynamic, and i like the bit of maturity that few more years gives them in the show. it makes them more compelling as capable young cultivators, and i love the casting for all of the juniors.

my only quibble is i would have liked to see a slightly younger toddler playing little wen yuan (maybe around two - a precocious, chatty 2-year-old), as well as a younger child playing a-qing. a-qing in my mind is a know-it-all seen-it-all tween girl aged 12 or so, with the attitude to match. but the show’s choice for a-qing is lovely, don’t get me wrong. so spunky and cute and sweet underneath it all.

2) the sets, the costumes, the effects. gosh, this show was gorgeous. a visual feast. i don’t have more to say about this, really. i loved watching every little bit of it. 

3) all the time spent on the jiang siblings. more face time for jiang yanli, more family feels, more glimpses into why they mean so much to each other. it’s not that the novel leaves this out, but somehow watching it made it more moving, and made yanli in particular more real as a character. i loved that the show took the time to really flesh out their growing up years.

4) getting to ~see~ jin zixuan growing from an arrogant mean high school kid into an awkward, fumbling man of conviction who looks at yanli with such tenderness. the scene of him covered in mud while planting a lotus pond for yanli was just the sweetest thing. i missed the emphasis on how much his mother loved yanli and browbeat him into growing up and being worthy of her, but seeing him love her and the both of them being happy with a-ling was very satisfying. i don’t exactly care about either of them as characters in and of themselves because they’re not multi-dimensional either in the book or on the show, but they are both good people, they didn’t deserve what happened to them, and jin ling growing up with jiang cheng and jin guangyao as his role models, you see all that he missed by losing them, and it makes me miss jzx and jyl more.

5) the sword fighting. the fights are really cool. especially the ones between lan wangji and wei wuxian. oh, and the fights in yi city. i’m not really one for being impressed with fighting, but i could tell how much care went into the choreography, and how thematic it was, and it made all the fights fun and harrowing to watch.

6) really laying it on thick with jin guangyao’s affection and reverence for lan xichen, and vice versa. i feel like in the book we know that they love each other like brothers, that meng yao saved xichen and kept him alive during the most terrible time of his life, but we don’t get to feel it as much as we do in the show. (there isn’t nearly enough emphasis placed on nie mingjue’s role in all of that in the show as opposed to the book, which is a weakness, but i’ll save that for my gripes)

7) wei wuxian’s death. this is the single greatest achievement of the show. instead of a single vague reference to lan wangji learning that wwx lost control of his dead army and was killed (how? why? who knows, the author won’t tell us), we get an emotionally overwhelming scene of heartbreak, sacrifice, and love. hats off to the show. and having jiang cheng there too? a stroke of genius. the whole thing made me giddy.

and then, the not so great:

1) all the details the show assumes you know because everyone making chen qing ling has already read mo dao zu shi. having already read it myself, there wasn’t anything i found confusing (except for the changes the show makes that i either liked or didn’t like), but some of lauren’s questions while watching made it clear that there was a lot missing that my brain had to fill in. heck, i had no clue what was going on the first time i tried to watch, but when i started over after reading the novel, it was easy peasy. that’s enough right there to know important things were left out. no cinematic interpretation of a book is ever going to include all the detail of the text it’s based on. but it should be complete enough so as not to cause confusion with basic plot points? and this show did not always succeed at that.

2) the lack of nie brothers. idk to me this is a big gaping plot hole. i understand there’s an additional movie that focuses on the nies, but i haven’t seen it and without extra information the show leaves the impression that nie huaisang and his brother aren’t that close? completely leaves out that nie mingjue is like a father and a big brother all in one, that nie huaisang depends on him for everything and never ever wanted to be sect leader, and has his heart broken when his brother dies. the show only alludes to nhs’ cleverness and the depth of his involvement in plot shenanigans until the very very end, which imo makes the ~big reveal~ less impactful.

3) following from point 2, i disliked that the show radically changed lan wangji and wei wuxian’s mission/mystery solving in the present time. i didn’t like the sword spirit replacing the corpse hand, and i was waiting for them to start discovering pieces of nie mingjue’s body instead of just having the sword spirit and eventually finding his entire body in yi city. it was very unsatisfying. part of the visceral horror of the book and what was done to nie mingjue was that not only was he killed, his body was mutilated and spread around the cultivation world so he could never find peace. it was vicious, and part of the greatness of the story is exposing that viciousness, that disgusting grossness, and our heroes putting it to rights. the show waters it down and lessens the impact of what his absence in the world and the desecration of his body and spirit has on everyone in the present time. and it makes wei wuxian’s resurrection less meaningful. because nie huaisang was overwhelmed with rage and grief so he did an unforgivable thing to mo xuanyu to get revenge. but we don’t get to see any of that, so it’s not as emotionally devastating.

4) changing the timeline of when jin guangyao learns that qin su is his half-sister and how their relationship plays out afterwards. this is a huge gripe. i kind of can’t believe that the show decided to go this route, except i can because meng yao is consistently much more one-dimensional in the show than in the book. i get that the show had limited episodes to set him up as the villain and execute all the relevant plot points, but making him even more of a monster almost makes him cartoonish in his villainy? which i do not appreciate. yes he’s an awful awful person and murderous and places ambition and revenge above all else. but... he’s not completely morally bankrupt. the novel makes it clear that he and qin su were a love match, and succumbed to temptation and conceived jin rusong well before they were married. it’s explicitly stated that he never touched her again once he knew the secret of their parentage. he had to marry her for political reasons, yes, but also because if he didn’t she’d be ruined - she was already pregnant, and he loved her and wanted to protect her. against everything else he did it might seem small, but i think it matters a lot and reveals his complexity as a character. he truly cared about his wife. watching the show twist that around was dissatisfying.

5) su she being responsible for the fierce corpses being out of wwx’s control at nightless city, and for wen ning going apeshit on qiongqi path and killing jin zixuan. ffs, let wei wuxian own his mistakes! the show does not let him be culpable for things he should bear the responsibility for. let wei wuxian be messy! he’s a messy person and he doesn’t do the right thing all the time and he does lose his shit and lose control. he’s complicated! but the show absolves him of much of that responsibility, much to my disappointment. also su she is annoying as hell, and i resent that he got to play such a prominent role in the narrative. fuck su she.

6) the entire wen family going to jinlintai to face retribution for jin zixuan and jin zixun’s deaths. like, this is straight up nonsensical. the whole point of wen qing and wen ning sacrificing themselves is to protect the rest of their family from the jins’ wrath, and to buy wei wuxian some time to come up with a way to save all who are left. it makes no sense for all of them to go and offer up their necks. and for what? just to protect wei wuxian and only wei wuxian??? please. they are grateful to him, sure. they love him, yes. but to give up their entire family willingly just so he lives? there is no way in the world wen qing would agree to granny and fourth uncle swinging from a rope in order to show her gratitude to wwx. no. way. i can’t be at all forgiving because the show just plain fucked up with this one. (it also means that we didn’t get the blood corpse scene in the show, which was one of the most heart-wrenching, poignant parts of the entire novel.) it’s just unforgivable to me that this was changed the way it was.

. . .

overall, i’m glad i experienced both the novel and the show, because both are great in their own ways. but i prefer the story that gets told in the novel to the one told in the show. it’s morally juicier, and the characters are more complex. but i’m grateful to the show for bringing these characters alive in my mind, and loved watching it. i may watch it again. i will definitely read the novel again. maybe today.

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[hamliet]

The Untamed is Damn Good

MDZS’s Live Action review!

My hopes for live action adaptations of my favorite stories are exceedingly low. That’s actually putting it mildly. However, for the most part, The Untamed has amazed me with just how damn good it is as an adaptation.

The acting is phenomenal. Wei WuXian’s actor perfectly embodies the character and his emotions to the point where he basically is WWX at this point to me (meaning, I can’t see anybody else as Wei WuXian). Jin GuangYao’s actor is perfectly sympathetic as our sneaky boy, Jiang Cheng and Jiang YanLi’s actors give a ton of depth to every single one of their scenes, and Xue Yang’s actor absolutely steals every scene he’s in. Lan WangJi’s actor, though, deserves an extra special shout-out for his portrayal of Lan WangJi, an extremely emotional character who shows very minimal emotions and often none at all. I’m not the first to say this, but the actor is truly stunning in how well he portrays the character. Every twitch in his face, every look in his eyes, reflects some important part of the character and what he’s feeling in a particular scene, but is so understated that you don’t blame the others characters for missing it. Get the dude an award. 

Like I said, it’s an adaptation, so there are some changes from the novel, many of which I think are great additions for the particular medium in which it’s being adapted, and some of which I’m less a fan of. For changes I liked, I love that Jiang YanLi has an expanded role and travels around learning to cultivate with her brothers. I love that Wen Qing and Wen Ning also came to the Cloud Recesses, and that the timeline was altered to introduce the audience to Xue Yang, Xiao XingChen, Song Lan, Nie MingJue, Meng Yao, and others far sooner. The weaving of the Yi City Arc’s characters in with the story’s earlier arcs was really well done, imo, and a smart decision, as was having Meng Yao as a cultivator in the Nie Sect. This results in the war scenes not dragging on, and allows us to focus on the Wei WuXian drama of the war.

It also focuses on building empathy for every character, even the ones we don’t like. At first I thought that the Wen Sect’s darker framing from the get-go would lead us to a more black-and-white world, and to some degree that’s true. However, every character still comes across as three-dimensional with complex motivations and relationships. And whoever wrote the script definitely had a thing for the more antagonistic characters (bless #oneofus) From the very beginning, you get the impression that Xue Yang and Jin GuangYao are complex characters, and you even root for Jin GuangYao for a long time. 

In many interactions, you can tell exactly what Jin GuangYao’s motivation is without him having to say it directly. When Lan XiChen tells him not to take Nie MingJue’s disapproval to heart because he’s so rigid and “abhors evil,” Jin GuangYao’s face looks stricken and he remarks “Evil? ... is that what I am?” before then assuring LXC he doesn’t take it to heart and it’s fine. Still, the viewer can tell how desperately he wants NMJ’s approval--and the more NMJ doesn’t give it, the more JGY looks for it with his father. And again, the script and actors show us that his father is using him by dangling a promise of love he never intends to give. He praises JGY in scene after scene of just the two of them, and then pours wine down JGY’s clothes publicly when something outside of JGY’s control happens. When he holds a baby Jin Ling and JGY plays with the baby, grinning and asking to hod him, he tells him he cannot and even tells the wet nurses not to let JGY hold the baby (implication being that he’s unclean for being the son of a prostitute). He doesn’t have to say: I want my father’s love and approval, I want my surrogate father’s love and approval, and I want the cultivation world to accept me despite my birth. We can see it. (Plus, the writers and actors aren’t subtle with XiYao.) 

For changes I didn’t like, I’ve talked about this before, but I miss Wen Qing’s feisty personality. The Wen Qing in The Untamed is not at all the same character as the Wen Qing of the novel/donghua/audio drama. She is equally a strong survivor as that character, but she’s much more.... docile. I did, however, enjoy the cute romance she had with Jiang Cheng--I just think it would have been even more enjoyable if she was still her snarky self. 

I also didn’t love the Wen Sect as the original founders of demonic cultivation, as it removed a lovely gray aspect of the story. I also felt sad that Jin GuangYao ultimately killed Wen RouHan to save Wei WuXian, whereas in the novel he does it to save Nie MingJue, which tells you he did in fact care for NMJ at one point. My biggest complaint though thus far is the changing of Jin GuangYao’s timeline and the Qin Su pregnancy, as I feel that was a very vital part of both JGY and Qin Su’s characters in breeding his resentment in comparing RuSong and Jin Ling. I’m also not sure exactly how much this is changed. We will see. 

Also, ignore the special effects. Obviously. The costumes still look great, the music is phenomenal (where can I get that soundtrack), and it is so blatant about the romance that it isn’t even subtext despite the lack of physicality and romantic declarations. It’s not really that censored, and hats off to the team who made this. 

Also: Fairy

she is a chonk and we stan a doggo

[razberryyum]

The Guanyin Temple Event: another essay

(spoilers for episode 47 - 50 and the novel. All novel excerpts taken from the wonderful translations provided by Team Exiled Rebels Scanlations)

I didn’t read the Mo Dao Zu Shi novel until I was about a dozen episodes into The Untamed, but once I did, there were two events that I was most looking forward to seeing depicted on-screen: the Phoenix Mountain Hunt and the climax at the Guanyin Temple. The main reason for my heightened anticipation was because they were both critical and awesome events in the novel and also because I couldn’t wait to see how Team CQL was going to work around the blatant WangXian-ness present in them. Since I already wrote at length about the Phoenix Mountain Hunt, I won’t delve into that topic again, but suffice it to say I was quite pleased at what the drama team came up with in place of the blindfolded make-out session between Lan Wangji and Wei Wuxian.  

For the Guanyin Temple event, I knew Team CQL had their work cut out for them because it wasn’t just a kiss they had to work around, but a whole ton of WangXian moments since that’s pretty much when Wei Wuxian, our completely awesome and lovable but dense AF protagonist, finally finds out that Lan Wangji has been in love with him for like…forever…and they acknowledge their feelings for each other (in front of family and foes no less). From the moment WWX finds out about Lan Zhan’s love for him until the end of the Guanyin Temple incident, it’s so loaded with WangXian cuteness that I almost died laughing while reading those passages: for me, at times their lovey-doveyness actually crossed into cringe-territory. Not that they didn’t earn the right to be completely corney, mushy puppies in love, but I still had to cover my eyes, shake my head and turn away in embarrassment a few times. I mean, I was literally suffering from a diabetic attack during some of those scenes.  

Of course I didn’t expect mushiness to that level in the show…there’s still censorship to consider after all…but I was hoping for a ghost of what happened in the novel so that once again the spirit of their love confession can still be captured on the show. Or at the very least, I was hoping for some Easter eggs that would let us know that the production team understands our pain and wishes they could’ve given us all the WangXian love too.  

Unfortunately, there didn’t seem to be any of that. In fact, with much regret, I have to say that in terms of WangXian quotient, I was a rather disappointed in CQL’s adaptation of the Guanyin Temple event.  

It almost felt like in the end, Team CQL couldn’t really come up with anything to replace the abundance of WangXian love we were given in the novel, so they chose to just completely avoid any hints of it altogether. If I’m going to be honest, LWJ even seemed grumpy most of the time. I don’t blame Wang Yibo’s performance for this at all (I will never blame him for anything LWJ…he has given us such an amazing LWJ that he is blameless forever in my book. Same goes for Xiao Zhan and his WWX), I’m sure that’s the direction he was given, which makes me really scratch my head in perplexity. To jump ahead a little, a good example of this is during the scene where LWJ is protecting WWX from Fairy. In the novel, we had this exchange during that moment: (from chapter 101):

Wei WuXian, “Hug me!”

Lan WangJi, “I am hugging you!”

Wei WuXian, again, “Hug me tight!”

Lan WangJi, also, “I am hugging you tight!”

Whereas in the drama, we didn’t really have any dialogue and Lan Zhan didn’t even look too pleased about having to protect Wei Ying from the fluffy puppy. In fact, I was actually a bit bummed when he raised his arm to protect WWX: they started out with Wei Ying clinging to Lan Zhan’s body but raising his arm like that actually caused Wei Ying to move away from him, making their interaction less intimate.

Then there was that pivotal moment in the courtyard of the temple in the beginning, where WWX was being held hostage by Jin Guangyao and his guqin string: that was a scene I was especially looking forward to since that’s when Wei Ying blurts out the line that he’s always wanted to sleep with LWJ, which pretty much sets off his confession of love and devotion afterwards. I was extremely curious what dialogue Team CQL would put in place of something as blatant as that. I was hoping for something along the lines of “no matter what, you will always be my 知己” from WWX, which would’ve served as another callback to what they said on Phoenix Mountain and what they were thinking about during that snowy evening on Cloud Recesses. Just something poignant yet meaningful to capture all the love WWX has for Lan Zhan. Sadly, all we got was forgiveness from WWX about what happened during Nightless City, which, as heartfelt as the words were uttered (WWX saying it all teary-eyed got me all teary-eyed as well), they still felt almost a little unnecessary at that point. Especially since we already got that pardon when Lan Zhan was drunk and Wei Ying was telling him all of it was not his fault. Sure, Lan Zhan’s sober this time around and I did sense all the emotions in their expressions, but in terms of what was actually being said, as a replacement for “Lan Zhan! Lan WangJi! HanGuang-Jun! Back then, I-I really wanted to sleep with you!”? I’m sorry, it fell wayyyy short.  

I also didn’t like the fact that once they were inside the temple, sitting side by side, the dialogue was changed to the following:

Where’s the love in that?? Again, it’s not like I was expecting anything hot and heavy like it was in the book (from chapter 100):

Wei WuXian couldn’t let out another sound. Amidst the darkness, Lan WangJi had already embraced him tightly, stopping him with his lips.

Lan WangJi’s breaths were short and disordered. His hoarse voice whispered beside Wei WuXian’s ear, “… fancy you…”

Wei WuXian hugged him tight, “Yes!”

Lan WangJi, “… love you, want you…”

Wei WuXian raised his voice, “Yes!”

Lan WangJi, “Cannot leave you… do not want anyone but you… it cannot be anyone but you!”

But maybe just a little more affection?  In the book, there was so much love going on between WWX and LWJ at Guanyin Temple that even Jin Guangyao was nice enough to step aside and give them some alone time to talk out their feelings. Big bro Lan Xichen and Jin Ling also made sure to sit away from them so that they could hug and kiss it out. The show actually kept the seating arrangement intact, which I guess was meant as a nod to the fans, but I would’ve rather they kept the sentiments instead.  

Not that Guanyin Temple was completely devoid of WangXian moments, thankfully, we did get the following little touches:

But if you read the novel, I have to believe you’d agree with me just a bit that all of that was hardly comparable to the source material. I don’t know if Team CQL decided to change things this way so that the ending with LWJ deciding to separate from WWX (although temporarily) would make more sense, or if the censorship monster finally got to them; either way, I wish they had been just a little more…creative and generous, I guess? It pains me to say that since it sounds like I’m being rather ungrateful—they have given us so much already—but Guanyin Temple was just so important to WWX and LWJ’s relationship, I can’t help but wish it was…better? At least in terms of WangXian.  

Not to mention, strangely, there seemed to be more technical problems with the Guanyin Temple episodes than with any other consecutive batch of eps prior to them. The issues ran the gamut of bad production choices: awkward pacing (I love Wen Ning and it was cool seeming him possessed by Baxia, but it felt like it took him at least half an hour to get from the courtyard to actually inside the damn temple), very obvious editing errors (one moment WWX has his hand on LWJ’s hand, the next he doesn’t, and then he does again), clunky scene transitions, bad sound editing/mixing (why are we hearing the flute on top of Wei Ying’s whistling and the melodies aren’t even the same?), and if I’m going to be honest, the fight choreography and scene set up were kind of mediocre too.  It felt like only the actors were bringing their A-game during those scenes while the production team was already getting ready for the wrap party since the show was going to be over soon. I mean, look at this, where the hell was A-Yao running off to?  

Why couldn’t they show his death? It was so much better and creepier in the novel. Or is he even dead? Did they keep that open-ended too just in case they want to bring him back for the movie? And will LXC even get his sword back???

I know I sound rather negative, and I actually debated for a while on even sharing my feelings because I hate being so critical of this show that gave me so much joy for the most part. I also didn’t want to bum anyone out with my criticisms, however, even though I love, I can never love blindly, so I just have to get all the griping out of my system.  

On the bright side, despite being disappointed by the WangXian quotient and the technical shortcomings of these eps, I was quite pleased by some of the changes Team CQL made from the novel which, imho, I thought were actual improvements from the source material (sorry, MXTX-laozi!). First of all, I really appreciated the closure we got between Jiang Cheng and Wei Ying. I LOVED that the two Yunmeng brothers got to talk things out and really reconciled. I especially loved this look JC had as he watched WWX play his flute:

As if he was both proud and relieved that WWX found a way to be strong again even without his golden core. We didn’t get such a sweet moment in the book. There actually wasn’t much interaction between them after Wei Ying told JC to just forget about the past; in fact, there seemed to still be some residual bad feelings which made me think the Yunmeng brothers weren’t really ever going to be ok again.  WWX definitely didn’t wipe away JC’s tears or even touch him. That affectionate exchange we were given in the drama was just so precious and needed after all the pain both of them have been through, and it made me feel so much happier and reassured about their relationship. I’m glad that in both versions JC didn’t tell WWX what actually happened the day he was taken by the Wen Sect: it would’ve been just yet another heartache to burden Wei Ying who obviously was ready to move on with his new life. That little consideration made me love Jiang Cheng so much more.  

Another improvement was the resolution between Lan Xichen and Jin Guangyao. I tried really hard not to ship big bro and A-Yao, but dammit, the show pretty much forced me to, especially towards the end with their last scenes together.  Before I say anything else, I must really commend Liu Haikuan and Zhu Zanjin, the actors who brought LXC and JGY to life respectively: they really delivered during their scenes in Guanyin Temple. Zhu Zanjin is always on the verge of overacting and sometimes actually crosses the line, but all of his choices really worked for me within those scenes. I completely felt the hurt and anger from JGY when he thought LXC never trusted him, just as much as I felt the same emotions from LXC when his A-Yao revealed his true colors.  They made my heart hurt for both of them and wish for a happy ending for them, which is just crazy because JGY is not a good person. As WWX pointed out, JGY really is a lot like Xue Yang, but he probably didn’t realize just how alike they are: they’re both technically monsters but still somehow capable of love…or a twisted form of it at least that passed for normal for them. One of my favorite pieces of dialogue in the entire novel was actually JGY’s (chapter 108):

“In this life, I’ve lied countless times, killed countless times. Like you said, I killed my father, my brother, my wife, my son, my teacher, my friend—of all the evil in the world, what haven’t I done?!” He took in a breath, rasping, “But I’ve never even thought of harming you!”

That moved me so much, and I actually teared up when JGY uttered basically those same words in the show because I believed he meant them, it wasn’t just a ploy to manipulate LXC again. And then, at the very last minute when JGY was about to pull LXC into the coffin so that the two of them could die together, in the book, JGY just suddenly pushed LXC away. I loved that in the show, we are shown LXC’s acceptance to the fate JGY intended for them…

…and that is why he pushes his second brother away. It was enough for him to know LXC didn’t regard him the same way that Nie Mingjue did after all, that he did genuinely care for JGY all these years. Although JGY probably didn’t deserve such satisfaction before his death considering all the people he‘s killed and harmed (except for Jin Guangshan…that asshole deserved everything he got…I’d count that as a PLUS on JGY’s karma scale, even if that was his dad), I still couldn‘t help feeling a bit happy that he attained it. I can‘t help it, JGY reminds me of a Puss-in-boots half of the time.

Finally, as heart-breaking as it was, I appreciated how much more affected Wei Ying was by the revelation that he had just been an unwitting pawn and victim in JGY’s schemes all this time. In the novel, the truth seemed to mostly rolled off his back, probably because he was too busy cuddling with LWJ to even care anymore, but in The Untamed, WWX seemed downright devastated. I have to say, Xiao Zhan really has mastered the laughing-while-crying combo-hit so damn well that he never fails to make my eyes well up every time he delivers that killer move.  

I really felt his pain and anger at how much he suffered because of what JGY and Su She did, and how wronged he was by them, even if JGY tried to partially lay the blame on him and Jiang Cheng. What made JGY’s words especially hurtful was the modicum of truth to them, because WWX was being incendiary and arrogant during that time, and JC really didn’t have his back at all. He definitely never stood up for him like Shijie did at Phoenix Mountain. Again, I should hate JGY for hurting them with such painful truths and hell, I should hate him solely for all that he has done to WWX, whether it was purposeful or happenstance, but I simply don’t. I might feel differently if Wei Ying wasn’t given a second chance at life and happiness, but thankfully he was and that does make all difference in the world. I don’t even hate Su She…I just think he’s really pathetic and I’m glad he died the way he did.

So, do all of these positive factors balance out what I thought were definite missteps in the drama’s version of what happened at Guanyin Temple? If we had another 10 episodes of Wei Ying and Lan Zhan interactions to look forward to, the answer would probably be yes. OR, if we were given a bona fide, neat as a bow, unquestionably happy ending for them, the answer would also be yes. However, because this was the last couple of episodes we would ever get in the series before its conclusion and the ending was not quite as neat as I wish it would’ve been, then the answer is, sadly, no. I feel we were simply deprived too much of WangXian–I think they spent half the time just spectating at what was going on–and therefore for me, the execution of the Guanyin Temple events by Team CQL unfortunately leaned more on the side of being a disappointment overall.  

Thank you once again for reading my second thesis. I have no idea if I will ever be able to earn my doctorate in MDZS/The Untamed, but I will continue to work hard at it. At the very least, I hope all this blabbering has granted me the privilege of being a somewhat worthy disciple-in-training.  

[wolfenm]

The Untamed Chinoserie Music Album* Track Listing in English

(*As opposed to the instrumental album.)

 *UPDATED* Amazon finally changed their track listing -- they list the song names in pinyin now, though, not English, but I’ve listed that here now for cross-reference purposes.

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So, the digital file info for all the tracks in Amazon's digital download for this album is all in Chinese; the Amazon listing doesn't have the song info in English; and the Apple Music listing has English info, but doesn't have the corresponding Chinese info. Therefore, I sat down and cross-referenced the two listings with each other, and with Wikipedia, so that I could know the song names and which actors were singing which tracks; since I did all that work, I figured I might as well share it and maybe help someone else out, right? (Please note: I don’t know Chinese, neither spoken nor written, so I basically just had to rely on logic and do the best I could.)

 When there are singer name discrepancies, I list what Amazon says (after running it through a Chinese character-to-Pinyin converter), and then note if Apple Music or Wikipedia says something different. Also, for the last four songs, Wikipedia didn't correctly match the Amazon track names (nor give the correct running times); for those tracks, I matched the Chinese characters from the track to the Chinese characters in the available Wikipedia titles. I can confirm that the tracks bearing the same numbers on the Apple Music album and the Amazon album are indeed the same songs -- they aren't in a different order from each other.

Note: I'm baffled why songs 6 and 18 have the same name in Chinese characters / pinyin, as they are completely different! I also have no idea how the got translated into English differently.

 Please let me know if there are any errors, or things that should be added. The format goes:

Track #- [Character the song is for / misc] “Amazon pinyin” “Title on Wikipedia” (title on Apple Music)

Singer/s (who they play in the show) (discrepancies, if any)

Digital file name in Chinese

Singer/s' name in Chinese

Running time

 1- [Theme Song] “Wu Ji” "Unrestrained (无羁)" (aka "The Untamed", Chorus Edition) 

Xiao Zhan (Wei Wuxian) & Yi Bo (Lan Wangji)

【主题曲】无羁 (合唱版)

by 肖战, 王一博

4:13

 2- [Theme Song] “Wu Ji” "Unrestrained (无羁)" (aka "The Untamed", Zhou Bichang Special Edition)

Zhōu Bǐ Chàng (Apple and Wikipedia say Bibi Zhou)

【主题曲】无羁 (周笔畅 特别版)

by 周笔畅

4:14

 3- [Theme Song] “Wu Ji” "Unrestrained (无羁)" (aka "The Untamed", Xiao Zhan Solo version)

Xiao Zhan (Wei Wuxian)

【主题曲】无羁 (肖战 独唱版)

by 肖战

4:13

 4- [Theme Song] “Wu Ji” "Unrestrained (无羁)" (aka "The Untamed", Wang Yibo Solo version)

Yi Bo (Lan Wangji)

【主题曲】无羁 (王一博 独唱版)

by 王一博

4:13

 5- [Wei Wuxian] “Qu Jin Chen Qing” "Song Ends with Chen Qing (曲尽陈情)" (aka "A Song of My Heart")

Xiao Zhan (Wei Wuxian)

【魏无羡】曲尽陈情

by 肖战

3:53

 6- [Lan Wangji] “Bu Wang” "Won't Forget (不忘)" (aka "Do not forget")

Yi Bo (Lan Wangji)

【蓝忘机】不忘

by 王一博

5:16

 7- [Wen Ning] “Chi Zi” "Newborn (赤子" (aka "Utter Innocence")

Yu Bin (Wen Ning)

【温宁】赤子

by 于斌

4:18

 8- [Jiang Cheng] “Hen Bie” "Goodbye Filled With Hatred (恨别)" (aka "Parting")

Wang Zhuocheng (Jiang Cheng)

【江澄】恨别

by 汪卓成

3:43

 9- [Lan Xichen] “Bu You” "Involuntary (不由)" (aka "Can't help.")

Liu Haikuan (Lan Xichen)

【蓝曦臣】不由

by 刘海宽

4:44

 10- [Nie Mingjue & Nie Huaisang] “Qing He Jue” "Separation at Qing He (清河诀)" (aka "Qinghe Jue")

Āyúngā (none) (Apple and Wikipedia say Ayanga)

【聂明玦&聂怀桑】清河诀

by 阿云嘎

3:44

 11- [Wen Qing] “woodland” "If The Woodlands Has Something To Say (疏林如有诉)" (aka "woodland")

Gao Qiuzi (none)

【温情】疏林如有诉

by 高秋梓

3:53

 12- [Xue Yang] “Huang Cheng Du” "Passing by the Deserted City (荒城渡)" (aka "No one knows")

Charlie Zhou (none)

【薛洋】荒城渡

by 周深

4:19

 13- [Yicheng Group] “Gu Cheng” "Lone City (孤城)" (aka "Lonely town")

Chen Zhuoxuan (none) and Sun Bolun (none) (Apple says Chen Zhuoyu & Gary Sun)

【义城组】孤城

by 陈卓璇, 孙伯纶

3:52

 14- [Juvenile Group] “Zue Shi Shao Nian Bu Ke Qi” "Youth Especially Cannot Be Bullied (最是少年不可欺)" (aka "Never bully the young.")

Zui Xue (none), Zheng Fanxing (Lan Sizhui), Guo Cheng (Lan Jingyi), & Qi Peixin (Jin Ling)

【少年组】最是少年不可欺

by 醉雪, 郑繁星, 郭丞, 漆培鑫

3:59

 15- [Jiang Yanli & Jin Zixuan] “Yong Ge” "Eternal Separation (永隔)" (aka "Never see you again")

Liáng Xīn Yí (none) and Yáng Qí Yù (none) (Apple says Lara Veronin & Yang Qiyu, Wikipedia says Lara Veronin & Fabien Yang)

【江厌离&金子轩】永隔

by 梁心颐, 杨奇煜

4:06

 16- [Interlude] “ Yi Nan Ping” "Inappeasable (意难平)" (aka "Hard to let go")

Yin Lin (Apple says Rachel)

【插曲】意难平

by 银临

4:14

 17- [Jin Guangyao] “Duo Hen Sheng” "Hatred in Life (多恨生)" (aka "Hate")

Zhu Xingjie (none) (Apple says J.zen)

【金光瑶】多恨生

by 朱星杰

4:25

 18- [Group Song] “Bu Wang” "valuable" (aka "Not In Vain (不枉)")

Wáng Jú (none) (Apple and Wikipedia say Naomi Wang)

【群像】不枉

by 王菊

3:55

 Amazon page: https://smile.amazon.com/陈情令-国风音乐专辑-Various-artists/dp/B082SBXJ9M

Apple Music page: https://music.apple.com/us/album/陳情令-國風音樂專輯/1491443635

Wikipedia page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Untamed_(TV_series)#Soundtrack

Chinese-to-Pinyin converter I used: https://www.chineseconverter.com/en/convert/chinese-to-pinyin

[cesare-and-raistlin]

The Untamed/MDZS Spoiler Review

Book rating: 3.5/5                  Drama rating: 8.5/10

This is going to be a comparative review of the novel and the live-action drama. I started with the drama, and watched about 25 episodes (all that were available at the time) before I started reading the book. I finished the book at around the time episode 38 came out.

So both my viewing and reading experiences were directly impacted by me consuming both versions at the same time, which is why I don’t think I can write a review that isn’t about comparing the two.

Overall, I’d say I like the drama better. The main actors’ performances, Xiao Zhan’s in particular, played a large role in that. But neither work was perfect, and each had their respective strong points.

First off, I think I have to make it clear that Wei Wuxian is my favourite character (which is good, since he’s the main character). This is important for this review, as I will take into great consideration how each version treated him, his story and his arc.

I usually separate my drama rating into two: I give a maximum of 5 points for objective quality and 5 points for personal appreciation. But I had to cheat here. The most The Untamed could have gotten with that system is a generous 7.5/10, and that feels somewhat wrong for a drama that made me feel so much.

The Untamed is probably the first longer Chinese drama that I watched where I never felt like there were too many episodes. Even The Rise of Phoenixes and Guardian, which I both love, had filler that could easily have been cut. But this drama was almost never boring and mostly stayed focused on the main characters, and with 50 episodes, that’s really impressive.

Dark Wuxian

The best thing about the novel for me was probably how delectably gruesome it was. The drama was only PG-13—and I’m being generous—, but the book was R-rated in every aspect. And while the sex scenes weren’t especially my thing (more on that later, unfortunately), the violence was unrestrained in the best possible way.

I love villains. I really do. And while Wuxian wasn’t exactly a villain, every single one of his villainous scenes was just marvellous. I think he has a body count of about 6,000 in this book. Six. Thousand. His Sunshot Campaign moments were some of my favourite, especially the scene where Lan Wangji and Jiang Cheng finally find him after searching for him for three months. The way Wuxian dealt with Wen Chao was extremely gruesome (after all, he made him eat his own legs), but it was sooo satisfying.

(Please don’t come out of this review thinking that I’m a sadist. This kind of events in real life would absolutely horrify me. But this is fiction. And I enjoy my fiction best when it’s ruthless.) 

Dark Wuxian, as I’ve been calling him, is definitely my favourite aspect of the book. We don’t get enough of him, but what we get is amazing. Wuxian is a morally gray character. On a D&D spectrum, over the course of this story, he goes from chaotic good to chaotic evil to chaotic neutral. He does good things, he does bad things, he does selfish things, he does selfless things. He’s a complex character.

But it seems that the drama decided that no, Wei Wuxian wouldn’t be a bad person. At all. The only really reprehensible thing we see him do (and even that is debatable) is killing a few dozen Wens and torturing Wen Chao (in a much less gory way than in the book, but I can live with that). From the moment after he comes back to Lan Wangji and Jiang Cheng, he is somewhat… muzzled. The book has him digging out corpses and using zombies to fight in the war, while the drama opted for the much less morally ambiguous “smoke ghosts” that aren’t ever really explained. There were no giggling zombie girls serving him tea either, which I also feel is a shame.

But, then again, I can live with that. 

What annoyed me the most, and something for which I cannot forgive the drama, is the Nightless City battle. Forget how poorly executed the whole thing was—I’d given up on this drama’s technical quality long ago. I can accept bad CGI. I can accept incompetent editing. I can even accept odious music. What I will not accept, however, is Wuxian to be absolved of his every fault by making someone else the author of the massacre and the reason for Jiang Yanli’s death. The greatest thing about Wei Wuxian is that is he not blameless. But that’s what the drama made him, and I’m absolutely bitter about it. The drama’s Wuxian doesn’t lose control: control is taken away from him. He doesn’t pay the price for his overconfidence. Jin Zixuan dies at Qionqi Path, not because Wuxian’s instincts and PTSD get the better of him and make him lash out like a cornered dog, but because someone intervenes. His sister dies, but it’s not his fault. And this is really frustrating me. 

The book asks this question: Can someone who does bad things be a good person?

But the drama doesn’t, because the drama doesn’t allow Wuxian to be bad.

Also, we’re supposed to accept that Su She was talented enough to overpower Wuxian at the technique that he himself invented? And without owning the Tiger Seal? You’re kidding me, right?

 Storytelling and Authenticity

One of the major changes in adapting the novel to live action was the decision to spend 60% of the story in the past storyline, something the novel was very concise about. The events presented in both versions are generally the same, but the drama greatly expanded on the material that it had, and let me say, this was the best thing they could have done. Making most major characters meet at the Cloud Recesses? Genius move. The characters had time to build relationships, something they didn’t always have in the book. It was necessary, notably, to establish a connection between Wei Wuxian and Wen Ning and Wen Qing before the YunmengJiang massacre, so that the rescue wouldn’t come out of nowhere, something it kind of did in the novel. The relationship between the three Yunmeng siblings was explored in detail, making their later tragedy several times stronger and more painful. Though Wuxian stayed the main character the entire time, the drama also gave a POV to other characters, most notably to Lan Wangji, which was a great improvement to the book, where Wangji is a POV characters for maybe two scenes. While I’m never a fan of not having Wuxian’s prettiness on my screen, we do needed to see scenes like the attack on the Cloud Recesses or Wangji’s punishment with our own eyes. Getting these moments through exposition only would have made for weaker storytelling.

And weaker storytelling was what we unfortunately got with the novel. This is not the right story for a one protagonist only third person limited point of view. Especially when that one protagonist is dead for 13 years, 13 years during which many things happen. Wuxian gets reincarnated, and now needs to know what has been going on when he was dead. Being limited by the narrative style that she set herself, the author was forced to deliver the exposition in huge chunks through the Empathy spell, occupying several chapters each time and thoroughly boring me in the process. This could have been delivered organically with additional POV characters, but the book went the route of the exposition dump.

To be fair, similar exposition dumps are also there in the drama. But they do not feel as much out of place, as the drama made a point to show us scenes with and about the concerned characters beforehand, Jin Guangyao in particular. He was an already well-established character long before he became a major player in the story. Which certainly wasn’t the case in the book.

Something that is easier to do on screen than on paper is the everyday gestures of the characters. Things like Jiang Cheng rolling his eyes at everything that Wuxian does, Wuxian holding his flute Chenqing the same way one would do a sword, the Yunmeng bros playfully hitting each other at any given time, Wen Ning looking at everything with puppy eyes, the ducklings junior disciples using exaggerated fighting stances, Wuxian and Wangji’s eyes crossing every time one of them decides to do something. 

You can, technically, put all of these, every instance, in a book. But by writing something, you draw attention to it. You not only make it important, you also make your main character notice it. Which is why writers don’t include every single move their characters make in their book, since most aren’t necessary to the story, would feel repetitive and would distract the reader, or would make the protagonist more observant than they should be. The beauty of film, however, is that you can include these details, as much as you want, without directly drawing the viewer’s attention to them. There are many ways to do this; wide or crowded shots are some examples. These seemingly unimportant details were extremely useful in accomplishing what seemed to be one of the drama’s main objectives: they made the whole thing feel sincere. Character quirks and background interactions work wonders at making you feel like the people on your screen are real and not just played by actors. The relationships between the characters felt so much more real and made me feel so many things that the book didn’t. While I wouldn’t go so far as saying that the book characters felt stale or artificial, the drama definitely added another layer of authenticity.

The drama was better at portraying Wuxian’s conflicted emotional state in the events from his return from the Burial Mounds to the Nightless City battle. Of course, it’s to be expected, as the drama spent way more time in the past storyline than the novel did. But by deciding to spend more time with the Jiang siblings, it was also able to depict the way Wuxian’s behaviour changed and how his new physical weakness affected him in a way that wasn’t present in the book. Wuxian doesn’t possess a golden core any longer, and he doesn’t want anyone to know about it. But there are things he cannot fake. Two scenes in particular come to mind. In the first, Wangji attacks Wuxian suddenly, and after barely blocking a few blows, a shocked Wuxian just closes his eyes and waits for the sword to kill him. He used to be one of the best swordsmen, but without any spiritual energy, he now knows that he cannot win a sword fight against Lan Wangji. So he closes his eyes and accepts his imminent death with a painful expression on his face. In the second scene, Wuxian tries to reconcile with Jiang Cheng after an argument, but his brother shoves him the second he touches him. Wuxian falls on the ground, and stays there. The look on his face is a combination of shock and hurt, as he comes to the realization that even playful fighting with his brother is now out of his grasp. 

These scenes were a great addition by the drama. Not only did they succeed in adding tension to the characters’ relationships, they also successfully teased Wuxian’s lack of golden core. In the book, this reveal doesn’t entirely come out of nowhere, but you also really needed to pay attention to every detail to guess it. The drama plays a different game: while it is still perfectly possible for less attentive viewers to be surprised by the later reveal, the real emotional pull of the subplot has now become “When will the people who love Wuxian discover the sacrifices that he made?” The fact that the mystery is easier to guess for viewers simply manages to make them more invested in the eventual reveal and how it will affect the characters. And the reveal itself is… *kisses fingers* delicious.

Adaptations Are Hard

In adapting the book, the drama succeeded in many things, several of which I’ve already mentioned. But too many times to count, it also failed to stand on its own.

This isn’t a drama that was ever going to be 100% faithful to its source material. Because of China’s censorship laws, it had to change a lot of things to be able to air. Of course, the gay romance was turned into a bromance (although it didn’t dupe anybody). All the R-rated content was turned into PG-13 appropriate. Undead Wen Ning was made kind of alive in the drama (reminding me of how Chu Shuzhi was a zombie in the Guardian novel but a perfectly alive dude in the drama). Most walking corpses were replaced by black shadows, and were only used by villains. (China really doesn’t like undead characters, guys.) It has been brought to my attention that Wuxian’s toned down evilness may also be a result of adapting to censorship, and if that’s the case, it makes me both more annoyed and more understanding of what the drama did.

However.

When you change something from the source material, whatever the reason is, you have to think about what the implications of your changes are. Which the scriptwriters of The Untamed clearly didn’t.

“Wei Wuxian has been killing indiscriminately since the Sunshot Campaign!” No he hasn’t.

“I’ve fought 3,000 people before, I can take 3,000 of you now.” No you didn’t.

“Sect Leader Jiang, don’t forget that one of the main powers that surrounded the Burial Mounds was you.” That siege never even happened.

Over and over, the drama changes things from the book but doesn’t adapt its later scenes to fit those changes. This results in a succession of lines that feel out of place and incongruous.

In a similar way, they have Wuxian be reincarnated into his old body instead of into Mo Xuanyu’s body. And I get it. I understand why. Your lead actor may very well be the best thing about your show, and giving him up midway through would be a pain for several reasons. BUT. They kept the whole thing about people not being able to recognize Wuxian until the Koi Tower sequence when he unsheathes Suibian. Even though he has the same jaw, the same hair, the same clothes, the same voice, the same basically everything that he had before his death. I guess the drama realized that pushing this farce with Wangji wouldn’t work, so they dropped the whole series of scenes where Wuxian tries to make Wangji believe that he’s Mo Xuanyu. It still doesn’t redeem how senseless other scenes are. In the book, Jin Ling frees Wuxian after Jiang Cheng caught him because he genuinely thinks that Wuxian is Mo Xuanyu, whom he knows personally and probably doesn’t want to see get tortured. But in the drama, he frees Wuxian because…? Jiang Cheng has seen Wuxian’s face and has stated that it’s him, so Jin Ling shouldn’t have any reason to doubt his uncle. 

It’s an adaptation. It’s alright to change things. But guys, the changes have to make sense!

Did anybody proofread the script? Nobody?

The Technical Stuff, or Me Shitting on This Drama for 700 Words Straight

If what you’re looking for is competent filmmaking, then I would suggest you look elsewhere.

But if you want an interesting story, sympathetic characters, poignant relationships, and themes of what is right and what is wrong and all the gray areas in between, then go ahead!

— Me, August 15

So.

This is not well-made television.

Like, at all.

Ok, so the costumes are pretty great. The different clans are easy to distinguish while never seeming cartoonish, the details of each garment are exquisite, and, let’s face it, Wuxian black robes simply stole the show. The weapons were really pretty. Some of the tracks from the soundtrack are actually quite nice. There are a few beautiful visuals. The main leads’ acting was good.

But I’m sorry, I have no more nice things to say.

The cinematographer obviously didn’t know how to frame a shot. Camera angles were often awkward or downright useless. The camera moved amateurishly, enough to bring the production values down by itself. Chinese drama reviewer Avenue X has dedicated a significant part of her Untamed review to the problems with this drama’s photography, and since she knows what she’s talking about way more than I do, I’ll leave a link to her video here: X

The editor didn’t know how to edit a scene. It was mostly apparent during fight scenes, with their weird cuts and incessant fading to black for no reason, although I don’t think that I could call any scene of this 50-episode drama “well edited.” Even my favourites. The best ones are just passable.

The editing and cinematography aren’t necessarily bad because of a lack of budget, which we know was a problem with this drama. You can make simple but great content with a small budget. No, they’re bad because the people responsible were not competent. 

The two directors themselves don’t have the best track record. The Legends and The Plough Department of Song Dynasty are not well-made dramas in any way. Even Secrets of the Three Kingdoms, on which director Cheng Wai Man worked, was great because of its script and its characters but was brought down by its underwhelmingly average technical craftsmanship.

The sound mixer didn’t know how to juggle the diegetic music and the soundtrack. You know, when you have a main character who fights with a flute, maybe, just maybe, don’t use the tracks from the soundtracks that have flute in them in his scenes. There are many points during the drama where I could hear flute music but had no way of knowing whether that music was diegetic or not, if Wuxian was really playing or if it was part of the soundtrack. Wen Chao: “The flute! The flute! Is it the flute?” Wen Zhuliu: “It’s not. It’s the sound of the wind.” [Meanwhile in the background: flute music.] At this point of the story, Wen Chao is clearly deranged and Wen Zhuliu acts as the voice of reason. However, as the audience, we can hear the sound of a flute. Is it part of the soundtrack? Is Wen Zhuliu in denial or lying to Wen Chao? Is Wuxian playing for Wen Chao’s ears only? There was no need for this scene and others like it to be so confusing.

Most of the secondary actors didn’t know how to act. Xiao Zhan and Wang Yibo were mostly great, particularly once they got used to each other better, and I can name a few actors whom I think did a really good job (Xuan Lu who played Jiang Yanli and Liu Haikuan who played Lan Xichen) but most others were passable at best and horrible at worst.

The VFX artists were just lost all the time. Though I will say that the black shadows created by Wuxian usually looked pretty cool. But they had neither the time nor budget to make this CGI-heavy show seem realistic in any way. Is this a surprise? No. I’m used to Chinese web-drama CGI by now. And I actually appreciate that The Untamed made some efforts to have practical effects when possible. They still looked bad (that giant dog was absolutely terrible), but they could have been so much worse if they had been computer animated. At least they tried.

We Need to Talk About Wangxian, I Guess

The drama’s version of Wangxian is amazing. It’s soft and romantic and heartfelt and authentic. And the fact that it’s technically supposed to be a bromance doesn’t take anything away from it. Nobody in their right mind watches this show and thinks, “They’re just friends.” Where Guardian still tried to (unsuccessfully) pass Weilan as bros, the people who made The Untamed were all *wink wink* with the entire relationship: having Wuxian and Wangji call each other “soulmates” and gaze at each other like the two idiots in love that they are, holding hands, being overprotective, and even including a damn montage of them falling in love. (How this drama still hasn’t been cancelled in China is an absolute mystery to me.)

Book Wangxian is… something else.

In the drama, Wuxian and Wangji become friends rather fast. And while Wuxian still has some moments when he believes that Wangji is there to put him down (“Lan Zhan, I’ve always known that we’d end up in a fight to the death”), he mostly understands that they’re friends. Book Wuxian, on the contrary, still believes that Wangji is out to get him well into the present storyline. And let me be clear: both versions work. They carry very different emotions, but they work. Until we get to the romance.

Because in the book, Wangxian kinds of happens out of nowhere.

In the novel, Wuxian suddenly goes from “Lan Wangji hates me and I need to get away from him” to “Is homosexuality contagious” to “I really wanted to sleep with you!” (in front of his damn nephew, may I add), and that’s fine, in theory. But the transitions in between those changes of heart aren’t really there. 99% of the story is told from Wuxian’s point of view, and I still came out of the book not really knowing why he likes Wangji. That’s kind of a problem.

And then there’s the sex scenes. Oh, the sex scenes.

It would be an exaggeration to say that they sex scenes of the book ruined Wangxian for me, but they certainly did nothing good for the ship in my heart.

It’s not really on brand of me to talk about these things in detail, so I’ll be brief: there is a consent issue with pretty much every single sex scene. In the very first, Wangji is inebriated and cannot consent. The very worst one, which is part of the extras, is clearly a rape. A dream rape, sure, but a rape nonetheless. And the book treats it like something, I don’t know, exciting? So yeah, after finishing the book, Wangxian was making me uncomfortable. The show’s absolute sweetness made it better, but I still have a sour taste in my mouth.

Conclusion

After this review, you may be thinking, “Wow, she really doesn’t like either the book or the drama that much.” But this is just harsh love. I have an eternal soft spot in my heart for this story. To quote my own tweets:

“I have to hit pause every 30 seconds because I love Wuxian so much my heart hurts.”

 “it's so good

i wanna cry”

[lesbiansluffy]

Hi i dont know if you remember but i was the anon who had sent you an ask about the untamed. I just finished watching it. Damn it was great. Loved it. Although i wish they would have shot a different ending scene for the international viewers or sth with them kissing or at least hugging. Is even a hug not allowed?? Also the views. Such beautiful nature esp at the end. I want to go hiking there. And i have the urge to consume so much more of the untamed. What should i do? Where shall i start? :D

okay first of all anonny: do i remember you? i wrote you an essay on the untamed that was probably longer and better researched than what i handed in last week in my literature class dsfghjklfds of course i remember!

i'm glad you liked the show, anon, i'm on my second rewatch tbh because i loved it so much the first time ^^ regarding what you said about shooting different scenes for international viewers: i think the problem there would have been that doing something like that could have seriously impaired xiao zhan and wang yibo's careers, you know? wang yibo is only 22 and for xiao zhan i believe his portrayal of wei wuxian was really his breakthrough. i think it is important to understand that the situation when it comes to homosexuality is severe in china and since they are both chinese and, of course, chinese actors working in china, i think they really couldn’t afford a controversy that big. as for a hug: while i would have loved to see a hug, i don’t really think the show needed it after all. i almost lost my mind every time wwx and lwj held onto each other’s arms already, i'm not sure i would have even survived a hug dsfhjklfds imo wang yibo and xiao zhan did such a great job portraying this intense and all-consuming love wwx & lwj have for each other just with their eyes & body-language that i don't think they had to show it more explicitly. also! i think wwx & lwj's actions throughout the series really speak louder than anything else. so yeah, if the situation in china wasn't what it is i would have loved to see them kiss and hold each other, but i still think what we got is so beautiful really ❤️

and yeah the sets and nature are so beautiful! like every scene set in lotus cove always had me thinking: i wanna live there, i wanna live there, i wanna live there!! like it just all looked so pretty and peaceful, i adore it.

as for more content, there are currently two spin-off movies released (but i think they're even gonna do another one!) called the living dead and fatal journey respectively. they’re unfortunately not on youtube as far as i'm aware so you will have to stream them, you can stream fatal journey here and the living dead here. fatal journey deals with nie mingjue & nie huaisang's relationship with jin guangyao and with nie mingjue's death. the living dead follows wen ning and lan sizhui. both are definitely worth a watch, but fatal journey might just leave you in tears tbh so be warned dsghjlfds

of course then there's the novel modao zushi which the show is based on. there is no official translated book you can buy, but you can read the full book translated into english here. the novel includes kisses and sex scenes (😏), but since you've watched the show first i feel like i gotta let you know that the storylines differ quite a bit from novel to show. the characters are the same, the characterization is the same, some scenes are even the same only that they play out differently in the show than in the book. it's just two different mediums and as we all know for live action quite a lot needs to be changed.

there is a donghua (chinese anime) about the story which you can watch on youtube here. as far as i know, having not watched it yet myself, the animation is good and the story, while a bit more superficial than the novel, but it still follows it pretty closely. there is also a manhua (chinese manga) which you can read online here. as far as i'm aware, again not having read it, the manhua follows the novel very faithfully and is the most loyal adaptation, together with the audio drama. both the donghua and the manhua are not finished though, just so you know dsgfhjds

the audio drama is commonly said to follow the book storyline closest and is the favorite adaptation of many fans. you can join a discord server to download the audio drama with fansubs here but if you have some money to spare you can also follow the tutorial in this tweet and buy it and thus support the ceators of the audio drama who really put a lot of work into it :) an added bonus of the audio drama is that the same voice actors who dubbed wei wuxian and lan wangji in the untamed live action, lu zhixing & bian jiang, also voice them in the audio drama, so you get to hear the voices you already associate with them say all the actual romantic stuff ^^ they also voice the characters in the donghua btw

so..... after this really long info dump i hope you'll have fun watching the spin-off movies and maybe checking out the novels and its' other adaptations! ❤️

[dreamingsushi]

The Untamed - Episode 39

Omg. So much in so little time. Lan Zhan and Wei Ying can’t get a hold of Xue Yang and the only thing Wei Ying think to do is to provoke him. At least, we already know that Wei Ying is pretty good at doing that, but they only managed to hurt him a little. Then, Ah Qing helps them by telling them where Xue Yang is hidding. However, before Lan Zhan’s sword pierces him, Xue Yang manages to stab poor Ah Qing.  Wei Ying runs to the poor lady (damsel in distress and Wei Ying, hero complex, you know the drill). Xue Yang tries to kill Wei Ying, or Ah Qing, not sure, but Lan Zhan chops off his arm. Again, pretty bad special effects.

Then the masked person comes and takes the left part of the Stygian tiger seal before leaving. Neither Lan Zhan or Wei Ying manages to catch that dude, once again. Too powerful. Xue Yang is now all alone. Get rid of him please. Lan Zhan noticed that the mask dude is both familiar with Gusu Lan clan techniques, but also Lanlin Jin clan too... The young ones come too and they are afraid of Song Lan, but Wei Ying tells them he is back being himself and takes Ah Qing away, leaving Song Lan to take care of Xue Yang. Get your revenge.

And he does. He kills Xue Yang.

There’s another flashback. Xiao Xingchen just stabbed Xue Yang. Xue Yang tells him he got revenge on the Chang family because before, when he was just a kid, while he was chasing for candy, he was ignored, to the point that his hand was rolled on by a carriage and reduced to pieces his little finger. I hope it’s more complicated than that? Anyways, that was Chang Ping’s father, so he took revenge on the whole family. Xingchen tells him that’s a little going overboard. But then Xue  Yang babbles along, lost in his madness and finally tells Xiao Xingchen how he used to trick him in killing innocent people. And here. Can we say how good is that actor? We don’t even see his eyes but his face still tells so much. That’s just... amazing.

Of course, he doesn’t want to believe he did such a thing. Xiao Xingchen that baby is to nice. But then Xue Yang uses Song Lan to make him believe it. It destroys Xingchen as he recognizes his friend through the characters graved on his sword. So Xiao Xingchen then kills himself. Omg. This is so bad, this is so awful, I am at a loss of words to describe that rushing pain. When I just started to get really attached to him. Well I knew he died because we saw his corpse earlier but still... Poor him.

Then Xue Yang lose all composure, he obviously didn’t expect him to commit suicide. But he comforts himself by saying he can control him better now that he’s dead. But no matter how he tries, Xingchen won’t wake up.

And then there’s another flashback of how as a kid Xue Yang wished that someone would give him candy everyday, so while he was living with him, Xingchen gave candy to Xue Yang everyday. Now I understand why he wants him back so bad: he doesn’t want his daddy to be gone. (Sorry for those who ship XueXiao, it’s the love between a father and a son)

Awwww. That Lan Jingyi is so cute. He’s crying so sadly over the death of Ah Qing. Jin Ling is like: if Fairy was here, I would make her bite him to death. As if it was worse than just dying, they are too cute.

Lan Zhan and Wei Ying go back to Yi city and meet with Song Lan. They give him the remnants of Xingchen’s soul and he thanks them. As Wei Ying wonders if SongXiao will ever reunite, his eyes meet Lan Zhan’s eyes. That’s such a strong moment. They were almost the same once and got to meet again.

They open a coffin. And the body inside is none other than Nie Mingjue. I can recognize his saber.

Back at Yiling, the kids make fun of Sizhui for looking at some toys. However, it seems like it resonates with him. Then he asks Jingyi if he remembers at all anything from before he was three. Jingyi says only playing at yunshen buzhichu, stuff like that.

Then Wei Ying sees a little boy and he thinks back of Ah Yuan. Ah Yuan TT that was the cutest little boy ever, I miss him too. When he looks at Lan Zhan, he sees him next to a lantern on which is drawn a rabbit. Obviously, Lan Zhan likes it (because once Wei Ying drew a rabbit for him on a lantern) so Wei Ying suggest they buy and Lan Zhan agrees.

When they get back at the guesthouse, Lan Xichen already got there. As he learns that they found Nie Mingjue’s corpse, he looks really sad. Of course, they were sworn brothers. Then he takes back in the sword that got his real appearance back. Wei Ying then asks him if he knows of a person familiar with the Gusu lan practices and knows Lanling jin practices. Xichen’s face becomes really surprised hearing that. Oh so they are already doubting Jin Guangyao. MAKES SENSE TO ME. But Xichen says he would never do something like that. YOU FOOL! There’s an emoji using Wen Chao’s nostrils to spell “fool” I want to use it right now. He denies that it could be Jin Guangyao by all means.

Sizhui and Jin Ling are having a small fight. Jin Ling is really upset about people cultivating by devious ways and criticizes Wei Ying. Lan Zhan wants to go, but Wei Ying stops him. His eyes were teary.

HAHAHA. Even Lan Xichen knew Mo Xuanyu was actually Wei Ying. He calls out his name when he’s about to go. Wei Ying apologizes for not respecting etiquette and asks of Lan Xichen to rethink a little bit, because it’s not a coincidence that the sword was left at Mo village where he came back to life.

And the eeeend.

Next please.

[inessencedevided]

The Untamed, episode 43 - watching notes

The sun is setting on this show for me and I'm not ready to say goodbye yet 😔

(As if I will! Ha. Imma blog about nothing else the next ... probably years)

Last time on Sophie watches the untamed: We're still in the restricted section. The twin love-struck idiots of lan and wwx found the Collection of turmoil and suspect Jin Guangyao of intentionally bringing about Nie Mingjue's qui deviation.

As much as I love the "hihi. Wwx is wearing his boyfriend's underrobe" aspect of this, I also like the visual incorporation of lwj's colour scheme into wwx's clothes. (Not just through the undertone, his black tone also has slight grey seam.) It's as if now that they are finally fully committed to each other, wwx is displaying it for all the world to see

Jin Guangyao tore out a page to hide the evidence. That's not how to do that!!!

My heart is breaking for Lan Xichen. He looks like a man standing on a train track and watching the light speed towards him in horror while he's unable to move away

Feels like exactly no one on this show is getting their happy ending

*thinks about yi city and cries forever*😭😭😭

"Wangji, Jin Guangyao,in my eyes, is a totally different person from how you and other people see him." And we all know that lwj knows exactly what that's like

PARALLELS! 😭

(Sorry, I have a thing for those)

And lwj looks so pained

Thinking about it, it's now the man lwj loves against the man lxc loves (in whatever way. I still ship them. Not sure if its "canonically" romantic though). They can't both be right, so ... one of them is going to get their heart broken

Great, first the Yunmeng brothers, now the lan brothers are breaking my heart 🥺

Lwj says he's visiting "Grand Master", that's Lan Qiren right? What happened to him anyway? Haven't seen him in ages

I love how, even though it is wwx's word against jgy's right now, lan Xichen is still genuinely kind towards wwx

The whipping scars! I hadn't even thought about those anymore 😳

I'm probably going to get my heart ripped out soon, but before that

"You are not qualified to talk to me."

Sickest. Burn. Ever.

Also, no disrespect to the actor, but that's a backpfeifengesicht if I've ever seen one

(Backpfeifengesicht: "German compound word for a 'face that should be slapped'. Ex:. When GWB smirks on TV, my German friend Uwe tells me that he sees a 'Backpfeifengesicht'." Urban dictionary)

He went to burial mount after wwx was killed??? 🥺🥺🥺

I've noticed something with lwj. When he's distressed, he won't look people in the eye or not even at their faces, just in their very general direction. To me it seems like he almost... can't? Any thoughts on that? Cause I'm intrigued but I can't think about it too much right now cause I'm already writing half an essay in this commentary again 😅

Oh fuck YOU Jiggy!!!

Holy shit ... holy shit

Lan Wangji 🥺🥺🥺

He fought against everyone?

This is how he showed his grieve???

He went to the place wei Wuxian had called home and ... what? Protected or ot so they wouldn't desecrate it? To search for him? To ... what?

Oh god, Wangji! 😭

That image... I'm speechless. It's so powerful

He's half-mad with grieve and kneeling in the ruins of his dead loves home, having fought himself to exhaustion and I'm... not okay 😭😭😭

He had to repent for THREE YEARS??

Oh no, you don't

Holy ...

Holy shit

How can my heart break and be so full at the same time 💔🥺

Lan Wangji ... my love

I'm ... so proud of him and yet so sad

Here he is at his lowest, finally standing up to the orthodoxy he knows to be wrong

This is inhumane 😳

The corporal punishment of the lan sect always was but THIS

Fuck them

Or Lan Qiren specifically

That's his nephew. How can he even look at himself?

"Eradicate evil. Establish laws. Than goodness will be everlasting."

IT'S NOT THAT FUCKING EASY!!!

WHAT EVEN IS "GOODNESS"? WHOSE VERSION OF GOODNESS? DEVINE EVIL! HOW FAR REACHING INTO THE PRIVATE SVERE SHOULD THUSE LAWS BE? DOES IT STOP AT "DON'T STEAL FROM PEOPLE OR AT "DON'T PICK YOUR NOSE AT DINNER"?

what I'm saying is: there are about 200 ethical question ls being raised by this rule alone!

And now lan Wangji had 3 tears to contemplate them

Wwx asking "why would he bother ...?" BECAUSE YOU ARE LOVED YOU GODDAMN IDIOT!!

Ohhh! We're getting their parents' story 😱

Oh this IS a Lan episode 💙

So another Lan falling quickly and never looking back?

I'm sensing a pattern here 🤨

Wait what?

Let me get this straight:

Their father loved a woman who DID NOT love him back and then killed one of his teachers

(And I hope we find out why. That sounds like there is a REALLY interesting story there)

Then he takes her to cloud recess and DESPIT HER NOT LOVING HIM, marries her, fathers two children with her (um... how voluntary was that????) locks her up (as punishment for the murder?) then locks HIMSELF up and then fucks of and leaves his children with their uncle

What kind of disaster human being was their dad????

Did he do the right thing WHEN HE MARRIED AND PROBABLY RAPED A WOMAN WHO DIDN'T LOVE HIM???

NO!!!

The fuck kinda question is that ??

If you have to marry her against her will and then lock her up, guess what? That's not love, that's wanting to possess someone

I hope that maybe the connotation is different in the og Chinese,but I'm not holding out much hope

That explains why Qiren is such a lovely character through 😒

But god, my heart breaks for lwj and lxc :'(

Little Lan Wangji!!! 🥺🥺🥺

Oh darling ...

Oh no ...

Look at him look at his crooked little headband😭😭😭

He went there every month!!!

Oh Wangji 💔💔

Stubborn, steadfast, loving Wangji!

That seals it. I KNEW why he was my favourite character

He isn't so passive all the time, because he feels too little! He feels entirely too much!!! 😭😭😭

And that explains why lwj was so worried about wwx's demonic cultivation harming him!!! 😭

Oh god, it was such an old hurt for him. I had no idea 🥺🥺🥺

All of these characters need a therapist

Lxc playing the flute to what ... deal with his emotions? Express his grieve? Remeber their mother? (And god, do I want to know more about her!!) Either way, It's making me tear up 😥

"It's so difficult to determine others personalities depending on our perspective." Welcome to the human condition, my friend 💙

And that's love

I ... wish I could show you my face right now

I'm smiling through tears right now

It's so utterly beautiful

He looks so vulnerable here! With his hair (almost) down

And given what we've just learned, that's remarkable!!!

He closed himself off became the immovable stone-faced second Jade of Lan and yet, somehow, wwx wormed his way into his heart and sure, both of them needed to overcome a lot, but here they are, vulnerable and open,not letting their parent's fate decide theirs

I'm... *sniff*

I can never get enough of lwj with his hair like this!!

It's so domestic, so soft

And look at his face! 😭

And mister "alcohol is prohibited" is now serving it 😭

Oh my god this scene is so beautiful

I'm speechless

Was the second flute Jin Guangyao as well?

At this point I'm just expecting more plot-twists

He looks so young! 🥺

Both of them are exhibiting so much growth in this episode!! Wwx realising that the fact that the cultivation world had always looked for a scapegoat and that he himself was just the most convenient target, that it's not to any personal failing of his, that's HUGE!

And I'm so proud of him :')

Lwj starting to play in the distance :')

This is so utterly peaceful

My heart is bursting 😭😭😭

The music, the scenery ...

Also, both thinking they have a clean conscious!!! 😭😭😭

Again, it's them holding the same morals that's important! I cannot tell you how happy that makes me!

(But wwx still cannot drink like a normal person :D)

The contrast to lxc sitting alone couldn't be starker 😔

Wait, why are there puppets at burial mounds again?

Are we going back to burial mounds? I'm weirdly excited 😅

Aaand Jin Guangyao just proved to them that he's lying. Poor Xichen

Yup, I'm pretty sure his heart just snapped in half

Little Apple!!! I've missed him 😁

Gosh, they're laying it on thick with the domestic husband bliss this episode and I'm here for it.

I love lwj's soft smile when he looks at bunnies so much!! 🥰

Bunnies, bunnies everywhere

It's the invasion of the bunnies

Who ever is the show runner *banging pots and pans together* IT'S GAY!! cab you all hear me? These two love each other! It's G - A - Y!!! Gay!!!

Probably

Lwj's shocked look when wwx says that he's not popular with little animals, as if to say "how dare they!" :D

Holy shit ... HOW MANY SCENES CAN THEY INCLUDE IN THIS EPISODE THAT MAKE THEM LOOK SO GODDAMN MARRIED???

Is wwx sitting side saddle?

Wwx plays wangxian :')

He finally remembers how lwj recognized him :')

Sneaky, show, very sneaky :D

Wwx about to casually steal some melons, lwj *wordlessly takes out money* ^^

MIANMIAN!!!! AAAAAAHHHHHH!

I'd given up hope that we'd see her again!!!

I'm so happy I could burst!!!

Lwj's little exasperated head-shake before he stands up from crouching behind some hay 😂

Aww, look at her family! 😍😍😍

She build her own live :')

And look at this badass woman protecting the ones she loves!!!

ARE YOU KIDDING ME WEI WUXIAN??? You don't remember her???

You better remember my wife!!!

Aaand another freeze frame. But I'm willing to forgive it because THIS EPISODE WAS SO GODDAMN BRILLIANT!

It made me realise why I was so drawn to lan Wangji as a character. Of course he is mu favourite character! He ticks every single box

Let me explain. My favourite characters almost always share the following characteristics: seems either cold and distant or ethereal and aloof, as if they are above such puny human things like feelings™️(bonus if they're actually not human and their argument is "I'm [insert species]. We can't feel [insert emotion they are definetly feeling very strongly]"). then, over the course of the story, we (along with they themselves because they were in denial) discover that it's not that they feel too little, they feel entirely too much. They're a sea of emotions so deep that the surface is calm, but don't you dare be near them when the storm is coming because all hell will break loose. (extra bonus point if that storm involves them rebelling against the oppressive society they were born into and adhered to until then because they realise their consciousness won't allow it any longer.) afterwards they realise that making themselves vulnerable once in a while is actually a good thing and they proceed to fuck the Rebel™️ who they've secretly been in love with the entire time, a feeling they only now allow themselves to act on

The last part sadly isn't always canon, but who has ever had time for that?

You know what this episode made me realise most of all? The Lan sect are just as human as the rest of them. In fact, they seem to be especially prone to acting rashly on strong emotions. (I don't remember the exact story, but didn't the founder of the Lan sect also have some kind of tragic love story?) It should be obvious, but the impression you get is that they are so detached from their wants, so rigorous and disciplined in their righteousness, that they are almost super-human. But no. Thise 3000 and some rules? They weren't born out of some enlightened mind that had the secret of live figures out, they're a crutch. Abiding by them without question rids one of responsibility to make even the tiniest moral choice for oneself. But that won't work because a) they're bounty to contradict each other at some point and b) that's not how human beings work. They're messy and unpredictable and beautifully complicated. The way Lan Qiren choses to apply them, he completely disregards that. At that point, the rules aren't there anymore to grant a harmonious society, but simply for their own sake. (Or maybe as a wall to hide behind)

@sweetlittlevampire @fandom-glazed @elenirlachlagos @allhailthedramallama @luckymoony @kyrrahbird @i-love-him-on-purpose

I think this liveblog has been the longest so far. I'm sorry for going on so many tangents, but lwj's backstory hit me really hard. I hope you guys weren't too bored 💚

(I also apologise for the mountains of typos that probably accumulated in this post. I'm too tired to check.)

[razberryyum]

The Untamed/陈情令 Rewatch, Episode 6, Part 1 of 2

(spoilers for everything MDZS/Untamed and a little for Princess Weiyoung)

[covers MDZS chapter 18 and a bit of chaps 56 and 66]

WangXian meter: 🐰🐰🐰🐰🐰🐰🐰🐰🐰🐰🐰🐰🐰🐰🐰🐰🐰🐰🐰🐰🐰🐰🐰🐰🐰🐰🐰🐰🐰🐰🐰🐰🐰🐰🐰🐰🐰🐰🐰🐰🐰🐰🐰🐰🐰🐰🐰🐰🐰🐰

(a 🐰 is earned every time there is a WangXian scene or even when they’re just thinking of each other…there’s so much Wangxian-ness in this episode, one post couldn’t contain all of it)

Team CQL went rogue for the two major events featured in this episode—the Cloud Recesses drinking incident and the WangXian bathing scene—and really, bless them and their ancestors for that decision. Not only did the changes provide Wei Ying and Lan Zhan with additional bonding time, but they actually had significant bearing on future events.

Originally in the novel, Lan Zhan didn’t actually partake in the drinking incident that got Wei Ying punished: some nameless disciples, Nie Huaisang and Jiang Cheng were the ones who actually took part in those activities. Lan Zhan only found their drunk asses the next morning and dragged Wei Ying off for disciplinary action (although, from the way the scene was described in the book, it actually seemed like he was more angry at Wei Ying for looking at porn, lol). However, for the live action, that entire scenario was transformed into Lan Zhan actually getting drunk for the first time, albeit against his will. Of course it would have been better if he willingly joined in, but at that point in time, that would have been illogical, not to mention completely out of character for him, so even though Wei Ying sort of did Lan Zhan wrong, there was probably no other way he could have gotten him to share a drink with him otherwise.

I am especially grateful for this change because that is the moment when my eyes were finally open to Wang Yibo’s talents as an actor and I started to really appreciate his performance. Prior to this episode, I was actually wondering if he was playing stoicism so well because that’s really all he was capable of doing, but then, when he dropped that rigid façade and gave us a charmingly adorable drunk Lan Zhan, I realized that everything that came before were indeed acting choices, that he was definitely able to do more than that. Not to mention, he also had pretty good comedic timing. I started to look at him in an entirely new light after watching this episode, and the rest is, as they say, history.

Upon revisiting this episode last night, I finally realized something that I never thought of before, and I feel actually pretty stupid for not even making the connection until now.  During the Koi tower scenes in the present, when Wei Ying as the paperman was eavesdropping on Jin Guangyao and his wife’s conversation, I couldn’t figure out how JGY was able to put Qin Su under his control the way he did, but in watching this episode again, it finally came to me: he probably used a modified version of the charm that Wei Ying used on Lan Zhan in here. After all, JGY was one of the many people who raided the Burial Mounds and took over the Yiling Patriarch’s possessions after his death, so it would make sense for him to discover this particular memento as well. When I first watched this episode, I was mainly just impressed by how powerful the charm is that it would be able to put someone like Lan Zhan under its spell, considering he’s not just some lay person, but rather someone who already had a pretty high level of cultivation by then. I simply saw it as yet another indicator of just how talented and powerful Wei Ying was even at that young age. But now, thinking that Team CQL may have laid the groundwork for something that was going to happen so much later just makes me so much more impressed with their planning.

Of course I could simply be overthinking this whole thing and JGY’s magical powers could just be his own magical powers, or something common to the cultivation world that my dumb brain just overlooked, but for those few seconds when I thought I came upon a fascinating connection, I was quite proud of myself, so allow me to coast on that sense of euphoria just a little while more.

Bonding and other cuteness

Of course I loved every single moment of the Drunk!Lan Zhan sequence, starting with that tiny little flirtatious gesture by Wei Ying. Seriously, how CUTE is that?? Makes me smile every time I see it, and I’ve rewound that little moment numerous times. How anyone can be resistant to Wei Wuxian’s charms I can never understand, but clearly Lan Zhan was still holding out on him. I’m glad that Team CQL chose this incident to reveal the nature of the Gusu Lan head ribbon since it directly led to Wei Ying’s bonding moment with Lan Zhan. Even though the other man was still generally cold to him, it was really sweet that Wei Ying still felt comfortable enough to share the precious memory of his parents with him.

It’s a real shame that Lan Zhan didn’t remember any of it the next day, but I did take comfort in the fact that he still knelt by Wei Ying like a united front to receive Uncle Lan’s wrath and punishment. I’m sure most of that was motivated by his own pride and sense of righteousness, but I still found it touching, especially with how much Wei Ying was defending Lan Zhan so that he would be spared the disciplinary action. Wei Ying was much less protective in the novel during that scene–he was mostly indignant–even  though he was still the one to blame for Lan Zhan’s involvement in the whole incident by basically tricking him into breaking curfew. I love that even though Team CQL changed the drinking incident, they still managed to maintain the spirit of its novel counterpart, much like they did with the Phoenix Mountain Hunt.

And then of course there was this:

Which was obviously a treat for our imaginations to get our creative juices flowing so that we can imagine on our own what might have taken place during the night that led to Wei Wuxian waking up in his half-dressed state. For this gift, I am eternally grateful to the production team.

Jiang Cheng Has Fun For Once

I was actually surprised that Jiang Cheng would join in on the drinking party because up until then he had spent most of his time basically disapproving everything Wei Ying did while also seemingly in a constant state of worry that he would embarrass their sect. Imbibing alcohol was clearly a violation of Gusu Lan rules so it’s kind of amazing that Jiang Cheng willingly join in on such an act of rebellion. Nie Huaisang, on other hand, I totally expected to be a part of the shenanigans…I would’ve expected nothing less from him…but Jiang Cheng was a pleasant surprise. I really enjoyed seeing him let loose like that, especially since we got to find out what he looked for in a mate.

The sad thing is Wen Qing actually fit all of his requirements for a wife, except for that family one, which i in the end, proved to be the most important one after all since it became the deal-breaker, dooming their relationship before it even got a chance to get started.

Another rather sad aspect of seeing Jiang Cheng so at ease and acting like a total goofball is that this really would be the only time we would ever see him this way.  His time at Cloud Recesses was probably the most enjoyable and carefree for him. I doubt he was ever able to enjoy himself the same way again. It actually makes me wonder if he EVER was able to have fun, period, during the last 16 years. Just thinking about what he’s gone through makes me wish I could give him a great big hug. 

Reason #10 for Why I love Big Bro Lan Xichen

His amused reaction to hearing about Wei Ying’s transgression:

…which was immediately followed by his “oh shit” response to hearing his little bro was also involved.

Big Bro Xichen is just too adorable, AND HE DESERVES ALL THE LOVE IN THE WORLD DAMMIT.

Uncle Lan is One Mean Mofo

Seriously, what’s with Lan Qiren’s obsession with the number 300? I really need to know if there’s some significance to that number since it’s featured in BOTH of the major disciplinary incidents in the show that were carried out by Uncle Lan.  For this first outing, those rulers looked downright brutal; it’s a utter miracle that Wei Ying and Lan Zhan were even able to survive being beat 300 times with that medieval torture device. At the very least their spines should’ve been broken, paralyzing them for the rest of their lives. In the novel they were only caned 100 times, which is still a lot but it’s still a somewhat grounded enough number that I could believe they would be able to heal from their injuries. But 300? They should be maimed. I’ve noticed that with chinese dramas though: they tend to be excessive when it comes to inflicting punishment. I actually stopped watching a show once because the main character was being beaten repeatedly in the stomach (Princess Weiyoung) while being held prisoner. That particular character should not have survived that beating…at the very least he would’ve needed his nutrients to be delivered by IV for the rest of his life (even though IVs didn’t exist yet) because there was no way his stomach was ever going to work again after that. I was almost offended by how ignorant the screenwriters were about basic anatomical and biological functions so I decided to just stop watching (well, the fact that I wasn’t that into the show anyway probably contributed to my decision as well) Of course the 300 floggings weren’t enough to discourage me from continuing forward with The Untamed, but it did throw me out of the show for a good moment because I couldn’t get over how ridiculous that number was.  Uncle Lan really has a sadistic streak in him

Not to mention, he was also surprisingly tactless. He had just learned about Wei Wuxian’s mom from big bro Xichen and I couldn’t believe that he would just throw that info at the Wei Ying in such a careless way, only to shut him down when the poor guy desperately asked for more details about his mom. Uncle Lan had to know enough about Wei Ying’s background to understand how sensitive he would be in regards to his deceased parents, so I was actually taken aback by how heartless Uncle Lan was being during that scene, so much so that for a while after, I really wasn’t feeling much love towards him. Although, now that I think about it, love is probably a misnomer any way since I doubt I would ever love Uncle Lan nor can I even say I ever actually liked him–he’s too much of a fuddy-duddy for my tastes. It’s more like I just accept his existence, appreciate his importance to the Lan brothers, and I find his disapproval of Wei Ying kind of amusing. But in that moment, I definitely did straight out dislike him for being such a cold SOB, especially towards Wei Wuxian.

To be continued in Part 2…(posted)

[razberryyum]

The Untamed/陈情令 Rewatch, Episode 8

(spoilers for everything MDZS/Untamed)

[covers MDZS chapter...none, really...Team CQL pretty much goes completely rogue for this ep]

WangXian meter: 🐰🐰🐰🐰🐰🐰🐰🐰🐰🐰🐰🐰🐰🐰🐰🐰🐰🐰🐰🐰🐰🐰🐰🐰🐰🐰🐰🐰🐰🐰🐰🐰🐰🐰🐰🐰🐰

I really thought that Wei Ying should have named his binding technique “无聊” (“wu liao”, aka “lame”, “silly”, “boring”) in honor of Lan Zhan, since that’s his favorite response to Wei Ying. It’s a shame he didn’t end up doing that, felt like a total missed opportunity, especially since he never did decide on the actual name.  The two names he came up with, “sharing clothes” and “no clothes” (according to Viki's translation), felt little more than just Easter eggs for novel readers since we know eventually the two of them do partake in both states of dress and undress. In the context of the actual technique, they really don’t make much sense. However, interestingly enough, in the WeTV subs, the two name choices were actually translated as “binding” and “bonding”, which definitely seems more applicable. Based on my limited knowledge of Chinese words, the Viki translation seems to be a more literal translation of the words used, so I’m not sure how the WeTV team came up with binding and bonding instead, unless those are the figurative meanings of those Chinese characters.  I would love it if a fellow fan who is much more Chinese literate could school me on which is more accurate translation, but seriously, how much cuter would it have been if Wei Ying had just gone with 无聊?

Team CQL deciding to throw in more yin metals to the story was really a stroke of genius considering how much mileage they got out of that little invention: they got to introduce Xue Yang and eventually the Yi City boys earlier, provide a more extensive backstory for Lan Yi which of course also impacted other plot elements downstream, utilize Wen Ruohan more as a villainous character (which I personally consider a minus), stretch out the running time for more episodes, and most importantly, create more bonding opportunities for Wei Ying and Lan Zhan. First time I watched this episode I straight out cheered when Wei Ying skipped out on his Yunmeng fam to go after Lan Zhan; I thought that was so adorable. I was so looking forward to their adventures together. Too bad their alone time only lasted a few minutes...literally less than 4 minutes; I actually kept track this time around. Originally I thought that Nie Huaisang was brought in to be a third-wheeler because it would have been too suggestive for Lan Zhan and Wei Ying to spend time together off on their own, but after finishing the show and seeing all the other times they've spent together all alone, I soon realized I was totally overthinking things and it really was for the story's sake. One point I was never clear on was how did NHS clue into the fact that Jin Guangyao was behind his brother's death, since qi deviation actually seemed a reasonable explanation for his demise. Guy was bleeding through all his face holes, but he also had the ghost puppet lines on his neck. Because of NHS' experience here with Lan Zhan and Wei Ying when they faced off against the Wei villagers he was able to see firsthand how people affected by the Yin metal looks so I wonder if that's how he made the connection with what happened with his brother since Nie Mingjue also had those veiny markings on his neck. This had to be the only opportunity he had to see ghost puppets up close since he didn't really participate in the battle part of the Sunshot Campaign.

I could be way off base of course and perhaps the actual answer is more obvious than that, but one of the reasons I look forward to rewatching the show is filling in these gaps I have in terms of the plot and seeing if my conjectures to what I previously hadn't figured out yet are correct or not.

Another benefit to NHS' sudden appearance was seeing how Lan Zhan seemed almost jealous at how chummy Wei Ying was being with him.  He didn't look thrilled at all when NHS popped up, and then that look on his face before he turned away from them was really the epitome of disapproval. Actually, he looked a little pissed. I wonder if he was actually disappointed to be reminded that Wei Ying's overt friendliness was not just reserved for him, since he was just as exuberantly social to NHS as well.  

But progress was being made in their relationship just the same: take the fact that he didn’t fling off Wei Ying’s hand when he grabbed hold of him. Prior to their time in the cold pool cave, I doubt Lan Zhan would’ve allowed anyone to touch and lead him that way. In fact, he’s straight out said before that he doesn’t like physical contact with others. Obviously that’s no longer the case anymore, especially when it comes to Wei Ying. It's only the first of many more instances of hand grabbing and other touches between them. It's so exciting watching their relationship slowly but surely growing all over again.

Although, when it comes to Wei Ying, I think it takes a much longer time for his feelings toward Lan Zhan to undergo any change from close friendship. I'm probably alone on this, but while I think he likes Lan Zhan a lot, I don’t think his feelings went through the same transformation to love that Lan Zhan’s did until much, much later.  Or at least, not in the way that he is actively aware of.  He clearly felt an instant kinship with Lan Zhan, but I think it takes a long while before he even understands that it’s different from how he feels towards someone like Jiang Cheng or even Nie Huaisang.

Watching him as he admired Lan Zhan's beauty, I was naturally tempted at first to ascribe more meaning to his reaction than just appreciative appraisal because I wanted Wei Ying to be enamored with Lan Zhan already. But the truth of the matter is, now that I’m able to take a step back and really assess their relationship, I don’t think Wei Ying was quite at the maturity level yet to be able to properly comprehend what his admiration may actually be an indicative of. Wei Ying has a big heart, which is one of the most lovable qualities about him, but because of his heart and it's boundless capacity to love and care for others, I think even he himself can't decipher the differing levels of feelings he might have for different people.  And because it will take him a long time to realize the greater significance behind his attachment to Lan Zhan, it’s really heart-breaking how he almost carelessly friend-zones Lan Zhan at various points in this first part of their lives before he finally wakes up. In fact, I can pinpoint the exact moment when I believe he wakes up, but since it's still in the far future, I’ll save my further ramblings on that matter until then.

Bunny Time with the Yunmeng Sibs

I love bunnies a lot and I also love the Yunmeng siblings a bunch, so naturally I wanted to love this moment completely as well, especially since seeing Wei Ying and Jiang Cheng nuzzle bunnies is just one of the cutest sights I've ever been laid eyes on. Unfortunately, there was one thing that put a damper on the scene for me and it was seeing Wei Ying throw that poor bunny at Jiang Cheng.  That wasn't a stunt bunny he tossed, it was the real thing. I rewound several times just to confirm it. I winced so hard the first time I watched the scene that I think I gave myself a toothache, and even now I still grimace a little when I see it. For my peace of mind I have to assume Wang Zhuocheng (who of course portrays Jiang Cheng) did catch the bunny and the take we saw was not a do-over because he actually missed it so they had to redo the scene again. I will also have to assume that the bunny was the same bunny throughout the rest of scene which means it survived the toss and it was just fine afterwards since bunnies are usually fragile little creatures and are susceptible to heart-attacks at just the slightest shock (and being suddenly tossed in the air would definitely qualify as that). The alternative is just too gloomy otherwise. Chinese productions don't generally have a good track record when it comes to animals so...yeah...I gotta stop thinking about it and just focus on the siblings cuddling the cute rabbits.

I hope someone adopted the bunnies and the cast and crew didn't just cook and eat them afterwards.

ChengQing

It actually just crossed my mind tonight that Jiang Cheng and Wen Qing's ship name actually sounds like part of the Untamed's Chinese title. I don't know why I didn't notice it before. The extra "g" probably threw me off. Anyway, the way this scene started was rather odd because based on the way they greeted each other, it was as if Jiang Chen and Wen Qing were on the outs, like they just had an argument or something. Which doesn't make sense because the last time they saw each other was at Cloud Recesses, where Jiang Cheng was still making puppy eyes at Wen Qing while she was making her lantern wish, but then cut to here and it's like he's not even that thrilled to bump into her again. What happened to his little crush on her? I was kinda disappointed.

Wen Chao is a Close-Talking Creep

I don't like Wen Chao but I absolutely enjoyed He Peng's performance of him because he is so effectively creepy and shitty. Just the way he purposely invades Big Bro Xichen and Wen Qing's space as he threatens them totally made my skin crawl.  More than once I've wondered how the hell Wen Qing was able to grow up around him and not get harassed in the worst way.  He's also such a petty dick, with the way he purposefully dirtied big brother's rug for no good reason other than to be a shithead. But then, later on, when he's called to be totally pathetic to the point where he's downright sympathetic, he was able to pull that off with equal aplomb. So even though I almost hate his character, I do want to take this moment to give some love to the actor, whom I think did a really good job. Playing villains is sometimes an equally thankless job as playing the straight man, especially with villains like Wen Chao which aren't meant to be alluring like Xue Yang or likable like Jin Guangyao. He could have easily veered into caricature territory, which I actually thought the actor for Wen Ruohan did so that's why I didn't like his performance nor was I able to take him seriously as a character, but He Peng's Wen Chao always seemed grounded to me. I think a big reason for that is because the actor, in his own words, viewed his character as an arrogant, spoiled rich kid instead of a soulless villain and therefore chose to play him that way. As a result, I think he was still able to infuse Wen Chao with a small degree of humanity.  The fear he felt whenever he had to face his dad was palpable. He's basically like a bully because his upbringing allows him to be one, but ultimately he's still a weak human being. That's why, when he turned into a sad, sniveling shell of a man under Wei Wuxian's torture, I found him really pitiful and actually felt bad for him.

Odds and Ends

Seriously, why the hell was Wen Chao able to hold the yin metal with his BARE HAND like that??? They've been saying time and again how powerful the metals are, how full of resentment they are, how normal people can't just handle them cuz even a highly cultivated person like Lan Yi was done in by just one piece, so how come a medium-powered mofo like Wen Chao was able to just hold as if it was just a some rock he picked off the ground? Even if the yin metals were only just activated from their dormancy, they're still soul-sapping implements of evil, so this really should not have been possible.

The dear translators kept on calling Wen Chao's bird an "owl" and for the life of me I couldn’t figure out WHY. There is nothing about that thing that resembles an owl, imho. It looks more like a raven with eagle talons and the sounds it made were like that of a hawk, so I really can't figure out how they got owl from that. Even the Chinese words for owl ("猫头鹰") is completely different from the characters used for that bird. I mean, I guess it could be one of those deep dives like how they came up with "Childe" for all the male honorifics, but seriously why even bother? Probably would’ve been easier to just call it a raven since that's what the cloudy mass looks like the most. Although I must say, I do love the way it looks: I like that they use the evil smoky effect for it since it’s suppose to be a bad birdy. I think it's one of the more successful CGI effects in the show.

Team CQL can be proud of themselves for the owl/raven/whatever effect, but then they should also dunk their heads in the toilets for this shitshow at the Wen Village. There was no consistency to these guys...some had the whited out eyeballs that up until then, all ghost puppets on the show have been shown to have, but then some, like that female extra in the front had regular eyes. And then some of the extras were rolling up their eyes. It's like, was there NO direction give to these guys? This whole Night of the Living Not Dead scene was a complete embarrassment. Any tension they were trying to build up for this scene was completely destroyed as soon as these walking jokes showed up.

Lastly, I had to laugh when Wei Ying quickly divulged the secret of the yin metals to Nie Huaisang without much prompting whatsoever. He JUST pledged himself to secrecy in front of Big Bro Xichen and Uncle Lan in like the last episode, and he already broke the promise by this one. What was more amazing was that Lan Zhan didn’t even bat an eye at it nor did he even try to stop him. I guess they both completely forgot about the promise already.

Question I Still Have

Actually, I’ve had this question since the beginning but now seems to be a good time as any to ask this, since this episode ended on those guys: WHY they're called "ghost puppets"? I've actually never heard of the Chinese words they used for the zombies before, on any other show.  Was this terminology just a creation of the Untamed’s scriptwriter just for the show. And if so, I still don’t understand why they have to be called ghost puppets since they’re clearly NOT ghosts. Calling them "living" puppets would’ve been more appropriate. If someone has some insight on this, I’d appreciate the knowledge drop.

Overall Episode Rating: 7 Lil Apples out of 10

Disclaimer: The Untamed would not be possible without Mo Dao Zu Shi and Mo Xiang Tong Xiu-laozi.  I mean no disrespect whatsoever with my humble comparisons between the novel and the live action, even when I sometimes favor the changes in the show. All hail MDZS and MXTX-laozi always and forever!  

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The Untamed/陈情令 Rewatch, Episode 4  (spoilers for everything)

(covers mainly MDZS chaps 13 and 14)

WangXian meter: 🐰🐰🐰🐰🐰🐰🐰🐰🐰🐰🐰🐰🐰🐰🐰

(a 🐰 is earned every time there is a WangXian scene or even when they’re just thinking of each other…more than one 🐰 can be given based on the level of WangXian-ness in a scene)

I loved and enjoyed all of Wei Ying’s “Notice me Wangji-senpai" moments in this episode, but my favorite has to be the one above: the way he tried to play off Lan Zhan totally ignoring him by blaming the other man’s hearing makes me laugh out loud every time I watch this episode. It’s just too adorable. Even though Lan Zhan is clearly still annoyed with him, I like how it’s also obvious that Wei Ying is slowly but surely burrowing his way into his psyche and taking hold there by either not leaving him alone or just being himself which is ample to constantly draw Lan Zhan’s attention to him. It‘s as if Lan Zhan’s life was a calm pond and Wei Ying was a beautiful, lively carp that suddenly decided to just jump into his waters without permission, taking liberties by swimming and splashing around, basically causing ruckus in every corner of his pool. Naturally, Wei Ying’s actions perturbs Lan Zhan to no end at first, but at the same time, he is also leaving an undeniable impression, so that eventually, when this carp leaves Lan Zhan’s pond, he can’t help but constantly think of Wei Ying and even miss his disruptive presence, thus naturally paving the way for the escalation of his affections that follow later on.  

Whereas with Wei Ying, I think he simply enjoyed irritating this fuddy-duddy at first, but eventually, his light-hearted teasing probably became just a little more meaningful and he started looking forward to getting a reaction out of Lan Zhan because it provided him with genuine joy and satisfaction, until those feelings grew into just joy from being around the other man and interacting with him.  

Ultimately that’s a big reason why I love their relationship: the development and progression of their feelings for each other makes a lot of sense to me. The phrase “opposites attract” has never been more applicable in terms of Wei Ying and Lan Zhan, but at the same time, they still share enough things in common—such as their moral code and belief system—that makes them absolutely just perfect for each other.  I can imagine a future for them right from the start, whereas with other couples in stories, regardless of their sex, I’ve had difficulty believing they should be together other than because the plot requires them to be. I think the drama really succeeded in showing us why it’s completely logical that these two people would be drawn to each other, that they almost can’t help but be drawn together, by actually showing us all these little precious moments between them as they occurred, which the novel for the most part only described in an after-the-fact manner. While subtlety has its merits too, I do appreciate the more clearly illustrated path The Untamed decided to take for WangXian.

Along those lines, I also appreciated how CQL chose to show us the first time Lan Xichen and Jin Guangyao met and their instant connection. Honestly, when I first saw this moment…

I immediately thought they were going to be a couple too, like Wei Ying and Lan Zhan, and I was totally on board, until I found out from reading comments here and there that I shouldn’t be because this ship was bad news. I was disappointed of course and even tried to withstand its alluring call for a while, especially after reading the book and finding out exactly why this wasn’t a ship I wanted to board since it was on a one-way ticket to hell and heartbreak basically. But the drama just made it so damn hard to resist, and before I knew it, I was lowkey hooked.  Much like with WangXian, I was surprised at how much the show was getting away with in terms of XiYao:

I mean, big bro Xichen totally stroked Meng Yao’s finger there, right? First time I saw that, I remember rewinding a few times just to check and and make sure and if it’s just an optical illusion, that’s a damn convincing trick. Amusingly enough I thought at first Wei Ying was seeing the same thing and was reacting in disbelief to that moment, until I realized from his angle, there’s no way he could have seen that small gesture and he was just responding to that (ugly) incense pot.  

After finishing the series, I have to admit I’m pretty much a full-on XiYao-shipper now, which is really out of character for me because I usually prefer ships with happy endings. I have to blame, or rather, give credit to the two actors portraying LXC and JGY (Liu Haikuan and Zhu Zanjin, respectively) for conjuring up these feelings in me because they had so much chemistry together, which honestly at times rivaled that of Xiao Zhan and Wang Yibo’s chemistry. I just love how LXC’s expression softens every time he interacts with JGY and even from their first meeting, it’s obvious there were genuine feelings of respect and gratitude behind Meng Yao’s reaction to LXC.

Take the moment above as an example: the extreme admiration emanating from JGY after seeing LXC exhibit his fluting powers had to be for real since there was no reason to react just for Nie Huaisang’s sake. I can totally imagine hearts fluttering all around him as he looked upon XiChen with those wide, innocent-seeming puppy eyes of his. And when he bade his farewell to big bro later on in the episode, I loved how the camera lingered on LXC’s hands as Meng Yao moved away after saluting him, just to reiterate the intimacy of their brief physical contact.  

I also appreciated the small, seemingly trivial moments before and after he meets up with LXC in that scene, where Meng Yao is first ignored by the two male sect disciples walking by him and then later on by two female disciples. Contrast that with how LXC immediately praises Meng Yao and recognizes him as his peer from the get go, going so far as to refer to himself by his own name (“Xichen”) just to reinforce their equality, it’s no wonder JGY was instantly drawn to him. I would go so far as to say he probably fell for LXC right from the start; doesn’t even matter if it might be only in the platonic sense, man was smitten no matter how anyone chooses to categorize his feelings.

XianQing? No thank you

When I first watched this episode, I still had the stormy cloud of fear that Wen Qing would eventually be the love interest that comes in between Wei Wuxian and Lan Wangji hanging over me due to some rumors I came across prior to even watching the show. As a result, every time Wen Qing and WWX would have a scene together, I would view it with trepidation as I was certain it was yet another building block to something undesirable, with the ultimate goal of mutating the relationship at the core of MDZS. If I’m going to be honest, I don’t think I was even able to rest easy until after Wen Qing’s passing and knowing for certain that the “danger period” was finally over, even though I had already grown to like her character. I still have complaints about how they altered her personality for the live action, but at least now, when I watch the scenes she shares with Wei Ying, instead of being filled with anxiety, I am actually more fascinated. I can still see the ghost of what Team CQL had initially intended with Wen Qing and WWX in a lot of their scenes together, before the fans’ uproar thankfully forced the producers to change their minds and stick with the source material.  This scene wasn’t one of those moments, but with revisiting each episode, I actually look forward to picking out which scenes were feeding into their ship because of the way they were shot and how the two actors were directed to perform during the scene, especially Meng Ziyi. I’m glad I can actually sit back and have fun with all of this now.  

XianNing? I can’t

I can see why some folks support this ship, and upon first viewing I thought this was a cute moment as well, but of course, I simply can’t go there since my heart already belongs to WangXian. And now, after having read the novel, all I could think about is how much I wish we got the archery contest at the Cultivation Conference. I’m glad we got to see it depicted in the donghua; it was as amazing as I hope it would be, but it’s a shame we didn’t get to see it in the drama. Since the producers had mentioned releasing specials of extra scenes that they couldn’t fit into the flow of the show, I hope the archery contest will be one of them. I don’t know where it would fit in in the timeline though…I guess it could happen while they were all held hostage at Nightless City, so the reason for the archery contest will have to be changed, but then maybe that’s the impetus for Wen Chao’s decision to force everyone on that dangerous quest to the Xuanwu cave: he’s so pissed off at losing at archery on his own turf that he decides to try to get all the sect kids killed.  Either way, I hope we get to see the contest in live action form one day.

Wei Wuxian is so smart

I loved this scene. I love how WWX schooled everyone with his inventive fourth reason. He’s so awesome. That’s really all I wanted to say about it.  

Random Bits of Randomness

I don’t think there’s anything wrong the color function on my tv, so please explain to me how that can be considered “purple” in any universe??

All I could think about in this scene is how disgusting that fish must have tasted cuz it looked awful, and I think Xiao Zhan even mentioned in an interview that it was gross. What probably made it taste worse was the fact that he kept on eating it from the stomach side, which can be really bitter. I think Wang Zhuocheng (Jiang Cheng) was eating it from the same side as well and I just can’t help grimacing every time I see this moment.

Odds and Ends:

I don’t really have any questions from this episode, but I did wonder if Wen Qing ever actually attended classes while she was at Cloud Recesses or did she just spend all of the time wandering the back hills, throwing her needles at barriers, cuz that’s not suspicious AT ALL. Unless I just happened to have missed her every single time in class, even though you would think it’s easy to spot her red in a sea of white…if that’s the case then I probably need to get my eyes checked.

Also, I wish we got to see Shijie draw her sword. She carried it around in the beginning, but I’m kinda bummed that we never saw her actually use it. I’m sure she is completely capable and would’ve looked just as badass as the boys.

And bless Uncle Lan for his brilliant idea of making Lan Zhan enforce the disciplinary action on Wei Ying, thereby allowing the boys to have valuable alone time in the library pavilion to further nurture their bond. In retrospect he probably regrets that decision, but as far as I’m concerned, that’s one of his best one he’s ever made.