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pronoun-fucker · 2 years

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“Ezra Miller has been hit with a fresh restraining order over claims the star rubbed up against a non-binary 12 year-old and threatened the youngster's mom with a gun after accusing her of cultural appropriation.

Miller, 29, who identifies as queer and uses they/them pronouns, faces a temporary harassment prevention order from the unidentified Massachusetts child and their mother over alleged inappropriate behavior.

Miller is said to have turned up to see the child and their mom in a bulletproof vest, and berated the mom for using the word 'tribe' to describe her friendship group, claiming it was an example of cultural appropriation.

The actor - whose current whereabouts are unknown - also took exception to them playing the board game Parcheesi and said it was steeped in Rastafarian culture.

Grilled by a Rastafarian woman present for further information, Miller is said to have opened up a piece of clothing to reveal a weapon before issuing a chilling threat.

The actor is further said to have pressed up against the non-binary child and even offered to buy horses so the youngster could visit Miller's ranch in Vermont, spooking the child's relatives.

Throughout the encounter, Miller is said to have had dilated pupils, leading to suspicions that the performer was under the influence of booze or drugs.

The latest drama also comes amid accusations Miller 'groomed' and then 'brainwashed' a now 18-year-old from South Dakota. It appears they expressed at the very least odd behavior toward the 12-year-old, including a promise to buy them several horses.

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'They automatically were just weirdly drawn to me and kept talking about how they love my outfit and love my style, and kept going on and on about how it was great,' the child said. 'It was really uncomfortable. I was really nervous. I was scared to be around them after he'd yelled at my mother and she was crying.'

Miller then apologized but continued to bother the family in the months that followed, as recently as June 4 when they showed up dressed as a cowboy.

On multiple occasions, Miller made the 12-year-old uncomfortable, including the promise to purchase a horse for them, but also by hugging and pressing their body closely against them.

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The actor also allegedly tried to get into bed with Tokata Iron Eyes – a member of the Standing Rock Sioux tribe – during a trip to London when she was just 14, we can also reveal.

Anguished mother Dr. Sara Jumping Eagle said she and lawyer husband Chase Iron Eyes now have 'no idea' where 18-year-old Tokata is – after lodging legal papers for a protection order against Miller, 29, on behalf of their activist daughter.

The mom says she last saw Tokata in Santa Monica on May 29 in a harrowing street encounter after she and Chase flew from their home in North Dakota following a tip that the teen was in California with the Flash star.

Miller and Tokata jumped in a taxi after being confronted and sped off, she said.

Unable to hold back tears, Sara told DailyMail.com in an exclusive interview: 'I would say to her now what I said to her then as she was going down the road away from me.

'I love you and that I want you to be safe.'

Sara, a pediatrician, faltered before continuing: 'I would also say, you don't deserve to be in a toxic relationship where you are not being protected’

'You are beautiful and amazing. You are a shining light. You should just be allowed to be yourself.'

She said Tokata was like a 'zombie' and 'very, very thin' when she last saw her.

Chase, 44, and Sara have lodged legal papers in the Standing Rock Sioux Tribal Court in North Dakota, which contain startling allegations against the troubled star. A hearing is set for next month.

The parents claim in a lawsuit that the actor plied their underage daughter with drugs including LSD and disrupted her Massachusetts private schooling to such an extent that she dropped out from Bard College at Simon's Rock in December.

When they flew to Miller's home in Stamford, Vermont, in January to retrieve Tokata, they allegedly found bruises on her body and she no longer had a driver license, car keys or a bank card.

And when the teenager was returned to her parents' home, she fled again to New York to reunite with Miller and they have since allegedly been traveling together to Vermont, Hawaii and Los Angeles.

Mom Sara told DailyMail.com: 'During this entire time since then we have only been able to talk to Tokata three times, on the phone.

'Two of those times Ezra interrupted and I could also hear him in the background – so we weren't able to freely have a discussion.

'Ezra has control over Tokata's Instagram account, which is really the only way I have been able to send her messages. She barely replied, and sometimes I couldn't tell if it was Tokata or Ezra replying.

'Ezra was isolating Tokata from family and friends. And then brainwashing her. She is still with him. I don't know where. When I tried to talk to her they jumped in a car and took off. We have no idea of their location.

'I am fearing for her safety.’

The lawsuit is the latest legal case involving the star, who was arrested in Hawaii in April for allegedly throwing a chair at a woman's head after refusing to leave her home, weeks after another arrest for spitting in someone's face in a bar during a game of darts.

The most serious allegations over Tokata by Chase, a former Democratic House candidate for North Dakota, and his wife, can be revealed in detail for the first time by DailyMail.com.

They begin their lawsuit saying Miller is 'currently physically and emotionally abusing Tokata Iron Eyes (18), psychologically manipulating, physically intimidating and endangering' her safety and welfare.

This is 'while perpetuating intimate partner violence upon' their daughter 'after having groomed Tokata since 2016 when she was 12 years old.'

They also alleged Miller 'uses violence, intimidation, threat of violence, fear, paranoia, delusions, and drugs to hold sway over a young adolescent Tokata'.

The star 'established contact with Tokata Iron Eyes under the pretense' of helping the Standing Rock Sioux Tribe during a movement to stop an underground oil pipeline in 2016,' they say.

Miller, who identifies as non-binary and queer and uses the pronouns they/them, would likely have been filming Justice League at the time, where one of the sets was located in Illinois.

He took 'an immediate and apparently innocent liking' to Tokata and 'began to formulate relations,' the papers continue.

The star flew her with other Standing Rock tribal members to London to tour the Harry Potter movie studio in December 2017 – when they 'attempted to sleep in the same bed at Tokata, who was 14 years old at the time. Miller was 25 years old at the time,' her parents' lawsuit alleges. Miller had appeared in the 2016 Potter spin-off movie Fantastic Beasts and Where to Find Them

'Ezra was prevented from sleeping in the same bed with Tokata at that time by a chaperone who can attest to this as the witness lives on the Standing Rock reservation… Tokata's parents learned of this episode in June 2022.

'Tokata had read all the available Harry Potter books and was/is enamored by the fantasy/celebrity of Ezra Miller at all times during her still formative years as a young adolescent. Ezra has recently and violently abused Tokata's vulnerability and trust,' Chase and Sara say.

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Sara accused Miller of being a danger not only to her daughter, but other young women.

'We feel that Ezra keeps being allowed to hurt people, has no accountability. We are concerned for our daughter's safety as his behavior keeps escalating. And that our daughter is there while the behavior is escalating,' she said.

'It is clear from more people we talk to that Ezra is targeting vulnerable young women. It seems that the pattern is to move on to the next one, but some of these women keep coming back, even though they have been at least emotionally abused.'”

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coochiequeens · 7 months

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A notorious German pedophile lobby group has endorsed the new gender self-identification law, stating that “trans kids” are “politically important” for advancing pedophile rights." Disgusting but at least finally honest that they don't actually care about the kids outside of how they can serve the interests of adults.

By Anna Slatz. October 7, 2023

A notorious German pedophile lobby group has endorsed the new gender self-identification law, stating that “trans kids” are “politically important” for advancing pedophile rights. Krumme-13, also known as K13, are also directing its members to watch a movie about an 8-year-old boy who is transitioned to live as a “girl.”

On October 4, K13 published an announcement on its website regarding a film that was set to be screened on television. The movie, Simply Nina, was initially released in 2022 and featured the story of a child “rebelling” against their body.

According to the film’s synopsis on the Hamburg Filmfest’s website, the 8-year-old main character, Nina, is “convinced that a mistake was made at birth” and “plucks up her courage and informs her family that she has always felt like a girl and would like to live as one.” Nina is portrayed by male child actor Arian Wegener.

K13 offers praise for the film, which they noted was being screened on television on October 6. They continue that “the issue of transsexual children is currently of great political importance,” and mention the newly-passed draft of Germany’s new gender self-identification bill. The bill is intended to make it significantly easier for people to change their name and sex, something they will be able to do once per year with no medical documentation needed to demonstrate the individual is transitioning.

In their announcement, K13 notes that “minors from the age of 14” will be allowed to change their name and legal sex with the consent of their guardians or, if their parents will not consent, the permission of a family court. But K13 suggests the age proposed for gender self-determination is too high.

“Why is gender identity also politically important for pedophiles/pedosophists?” K13 asks. “Gender and sexual identity does not only begin on the 14th birthday, when the so-called protection age limit ends. Children can and want to experience their childhood sexuality self-determined beforehand.”

The post continues: “Child sexuality as a whole must no longer be a taboo. Because pedosexual relationships are not conceivable without self-determined child sexuality.”

K13 was founded in 1993 in Trier, Germany by Dieter Gieseking, who was briefly imprisoned on possession of child pornography. Gieseking has been a vocal advocate for the legalization of pedophilia, and frames adult-child sexual activity as normal.

In a 2018 interview for the program Veto, Gieseking repeatedly refers to pedophilia as a “romantic relationship,” and insists that children can seduce adults. “On the forums and in my experience there are many times, for example, when a boy of let’s say 12, actually initiates the relationship,” he says.

Gieseking also made several references to the Netherlands, a country known for its prominent pedophile activism and which currently hosts the majority — 66 percent — of all CSAM sites in the European Union. He told the interviewer that Germany should follow the Netherlands’ lead and lower the age of consent to 12 years old.

“That is just the current zeitgeist, in the past studies have shown the many benefits (of sex with children) for children… The problem is that victim protection and child protection organizations have sprung up and influenced mainstream media,” Gieseking added.

As previously reported by Reduxx, Gieseking has filed a total of three petitions with Germany’s parliament calling on members of the Socialist Democrats, Free Democratic Party, and Green Party to agree to an amendment to Germany’s anti-discrimination legislation which would protect pedophilia as a “sexual identity.”

Gieseking frames his campaigning as an effort to defend “children’s rights” and to protect “sexual minorities” from discrimination. The two most recent petitions submitted to the government were lodged on February 14, 2021.

On July 2, members of K13 congregated at the Cologne Pride Parade, colloquially known as Christopher Street Day (CSD), and displayed a flag representing “minor-attracted persons” pride. They also carried signs opposing the “censorship” of the organization Queer.de and advocated for a “diversity of opinions” within the LGBT community.

#Germany #K13 #Simply Nina #Self I'd #Trier #Dieter Gieseking #Another groups of creeps trying to attach itself to the LGB like a parasite

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aurumacadicus · 2 years

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Yes I can understand why you would want actual children playing child roles but I’m never going to forget all the grown women thirsting over Taylor Lautner and grown men thirsting over Emma Watson when they were minors and celebrating the days they turned eighteen because that made them legal. I’m never going to forget the abuse hurled at Lexi Rabe to the point her parents regretted letting her be Morgan Stark. I’m never going to forget the stories of childhood actors my parents told me about where they were chewed up, spit out, and traumatized from their time in Hollywood. All the sexual assaults and verbal abuse they had to suffer through and then be creeped on by their fans as well. How Drew Barrymore said Spielberg was the best director she had as a child because he listened when they were tired and needed a break. Judy Garland and Mickey Rooney on pills to make them sleep, pills to make them stay awake, diets so they don’t get too fat, cigarettes to keep them from being hungry.

Frankly, I don’t care whether a “child” or “teenager” role is played by an older actor. I simply don’t trust Hollywood with children. Until I can see some actual practices that keep kids safe, I don’t care how unbelievably old the actor is in the role. They, at least, should have the tools to protect themselves better than a child.

#movies #tv shows

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bandcampfun2021 · 9 months

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So, after a month and a half of the official trailer for the Five Nights at Freddy's movie has been released, and with the strike happening, these are my own thoughts and I have come up with my own theory of how the movie might go down.

After the bite of 83, Mrs. Afton divorced William and sent Michael to live with her relatives, the Schmidts. Mary Stuart Matterson has been confirmed to be playing Aunt Jane, who's been described as "icy." Maybe this is Mrs. Afton's sister?

My belief is that due to the media coverage of the Bite of 83 and the fact that police still suspected her husband in the missing children's incident, Mrs. Afton secretly and legally had Michael's surname changed to Schmidt (therefore making him Mike Schmidt) in order to protect him. Not long after changing his name, I do believe Mrs. Afton divorced William and moved to be with her son.

Speaking of Michael, since Wyatt M. Parker plays a younger Mike, possibly in a flashback, this adds more credence to the idea of Michael Afton being Mike Schmidt in this film.

Also, another thing to note is in a behind-the-scenes photo, the way the Foxy mask is aligned with the actor's head is very similar to how the older brother would wear the Foxy mask in Fnaf 4. This can't be just a coincidence.

Back to the movie, I do believe that given the trauma and guilt from the Bite of 83, Michael repressed most, if not all of his memories of the entire ordeal so that by his mid-teens, he's completely forgotten about his two siblings (if Elizabeth Afton does exist in the film's universe), his father, and Fredbear's Family Diner.

There is actual proof that even though a child may repressed his or her memories, it can still affect them in their adulthood. https://www.verywellhealth.com/signs-of-repressed-childhood-trauma-in-adults-5211845

I do believe that it's around Michael's mid-teen years that Mrs. Afton has Abby Schmidt (played by Piper Rubio) with the intention to never tell either of them about William or anything else. If Abby is indeed Mike's younger half-sister, this would make her the younger half-sister of the three main Afton children (Michael, Garrett, and Elizabeth), which would make for a real tearjerker if this is true.

Due to Mike being described as someone with "a few prospects" and "low on options," I'm assuming that before taking on the job of night guard at Freddy's, Mike went through several part-time jobs every few months to try to make ends meet and take care of his sister.

Now, I do believe that Abby seeing the ghosts of the five missing children is possible. If you notice one of her drawings, it shows her, Mike, Vanessa, and the animatronics. It is worth noting that her drawing of Mike depicts him in the same outfit he wears when he is confronted by the ghosts of the deceased children in the forest, which is peculiar as Abby is clearly shown to not be present in those scenes.

I do believe that Vanessa was misguided or lying somewhat in the trailer when she says, "They (the animatronics) want to make her like them." If you rewatch the trailer, you'd notice that in no shot does it show the main four animatronics going after Abby in a threatening way. The closest we get is Foxy looking away from Abby to look at Mike, and even though it's a bit blurry to see, Abby doesn't look the least bit frightened of him. Even more is that Foxy was probably neutral looking at Abby and only got angry when he saw Mike.

So, what do you think of my theories of the upcoming Fnaf movie? As much as I'd like to see more in trailers, it looks like a second official trailer just won't be happening and we'd have to wait until October 27th. Please let me know your thoughts below! 🙏

#fnaf movie #five nights at freddy's movie #mike schmidt #abby schmidt

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titsoutfornature · 7 months

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thinking about how before i was 14, i sold chocolates and delivered newspapers and did construction & cleaning services very publicly and no one ever questioned it. and how it's mandatory for kids under the age of 14 to have 10+ volunteer hours to graduate into hs, and 40+ to graduate hs (at least in canada). thinking about child actors and family vloggers' kids.

child labor laws only exist for certain kinds of labor, so let's talk about that. either kids should be legally protected from all forms of exploitation, or they deserve minimum wage and benefits.

#tit talks #child labor

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beardedmrbean · 2 years

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At least 135 teachers and teachers’ aides have been arrested so far this year on child sex-related crimes in the U.S., ranging from child pornography to raping students.

An analysis conducted by Fox News Digital looked at local news stories week by week featuring arrests of teachers and teachers’ aides on child sex-related crimes in school districts across the country. Arrests that weren't publicized were not counted in the analysis, meaning the true number may well be higher.

The analysis found that at least 135 teachers and teachers’ aides have been arrested in 41 states between January 1 and May 13, which works out to about an arrest a day on average.

The vast majority of the arrested educators were men.

The 135 educators included 117 teachers, 11 teachers' aides and seven substitute teachers.

Erika Sanzi, director of outreach for Parents Defending Education, told Fox News Digital that the issue of teacher sex crimes against students needs to be more thoroughly examined by the federal government. She cited the Department of Education’s 2004 report, which claimed that nearly 9.6% of students are targets of educator sexual misconduct sometime during their school career.

"Educator sexual abuse is a major problem that largely gets ignored because it's so uncomfortable to talk about," Sanzi said in a statement. "While a very small fraction of educators and school employees prey on the children in their care, one bad actor can do damage to many students."

"The last federally commissioned study on the issue was in 2004, pre-smart phone and those who study the issue closely say that the problem has been exacerbated by the ease of communication that a smart phone provides," she continued. "We need to get much more honest about the problem, study it again and ensure that we have policies and laws in place that protect children. It is currently legal in Massachusetts and Rhode Island for teachers and other adults in positions of authority to have sexual relationships with students once they turn 14. After a 5-year effort, RI finally appears poised to change that this year."

Sanzi was referring to a bipartisan bill in Rhode Island that would make it a crime for a teacher or person of authority to have sexual contact with someone under the age of 18.

Christopher Rufo, a senior fellow at the Manhattan Institute, said the lack of research on teacher sex crimes against students is a "travesty."

"The public school system has a serious child sex abuse problem," he told Fox News Digital in a statement. "The last significant federal study on this topic, which was conducted by the Department of Education in 2004, suggested that millions of American schoolchildren are victims of teacher sexual misconduct in each generation of K-12 students—and there hasn't been any significant research since then.

"This is a travesty," he continued. "Parents deserve to know exactly what's happening in the public school system and deserve to have tools for protecting their children from abuse. Congress should immediately fund a $25 million research program into child sexual abuse in public schools and provide complete transparency for parents. The first duty of public schools is to keep kids safe—and, tragically, that's not happening in far too many cases."

#nunyas news

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mermaidsirennikita · 2 years

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Elvis review?

It's a really entertaining movie, and an actor's showcase. The movie is meant to give Tom Hanks the opportunity to play against type and be super campy, and Austin Butler the opportunity to act his ass off. Both of them do that. I think Austin gives the stronger performance, obviously--he nails it not only as a performance of Elvis (or the mythologized Elvis of the film) but as a performance of a man who is... deeply fucked. Even this sanitized Elvis clearly has mommy AND daddy issues like crazy and a lack of emotional maturity, which means that he only knows how to "earn" love through performance rather than emotionally connecting with people in an authentic manner. He also nailed Elvis's deterioration and addiction. I truly don't know how anyone can say he overplayed it--to me, he arguably UNDERplayed it compared to people who've played Elvis in the past (think JRM in the TV version years ago). He didn't just play an icon, though he certainly got the guy's voice and mannerisms; he played a person.

(Also, re: Tom Hanks. Yeah, it was an exaggerated, campy performance. But Colonel Tom Parker was a very weird, pretty sinister man in real life, and I think that's what needed to be conveyed here.)

As with any Baz movie, it's just very over the top and flashy and FEELINGS and MUSIC all over the place, which is what an Elvis movie should be. It's honestly pretty toned down for Baz. The music was well-used. The performance elements were great. It packs a lot into the narrative, so even though it's a long movie it really clips through a lot--you went from him first talking to Priscilla, for example, to him and Priscilla being married and Lisa Marie being born super fast, when that was like... an 8-9 year stretch of time.

Which leads me to my next point--yeah, it's sanitized. That was an 8-9 year stretch of time because Priscilla was 14 when she met Elvis, who was 24 and very much started dating her then. (According to Priscilla, they did shit, but they didn't have... penetrative sex... until the wedding night. This has been.... questioned.). She moved to Graceland before she was 18. It was very, very not good, even by the standards of the time. And of course, Elvis was undeniably a culture vulture who cribbed Black culture and music without personal or financial credit. Both of these things were handwaved, and the movie goes further in trying to imply that Elvis was a friend to all Black people and really tried to make change and give credit, when honestly? He did not. And who knows how much of his decisions were his and how much were Parker's, but we can't act like he wasn't a grown man who, even if he wasn't formally educated, was not by any means intellectually incapable of making his own decisions, at least for most of his career (pill addiction aside).

So like... here's the thing. Take the movie's story with a grain of salt and as a mythology versus a straightforward biopic. I don't know how you could watch a Baz movie, even a Baz biopic, without knowing that you're getting a manipulated story. Baz's work is inherently inflated and over the top. And here's where we get the catch of working with real people, too. Earlier this year, I discussed how in the wake of Pam and Tommy, everyone was saying that we should only make biopics with the express permission and involvement of the real people involved--this is what you're going to get, nine times out of ten. Priscilla and Lisa Marie co-signed all of this, if not legally then personally. They are coming at this from a very skewed perspective. For Priscilla, Elvis was the man who took her virginity, married her, gave her her first child, career opportunities, changed her life and basically shaped her teens and twenties. For Lisa Marie, that's the loving father she lost as a child. Both of them also have financial interests to protect in maintaining his image. They cannot POSSIBLY give us the true Elvis (or a true Priscilla, for that matter--Priscilla doesn't see herself as a victim, perhaps, or doesn't want to be seen as a victim, so the fact that a grown man groomed a teenager is really skated over here). Nobody can give an OBJECTIVE version of their life, because none of us see our lives in a truly objective manner, no matter how honest we think we are with ourselves.

The movie directs itself at the people who worshipped Elvis very explicitly through Parker's narration. And I think that adds to it. I don't know that this was Baz's intent, but the movie sometimes reads as kind of a critique of the relationship between these ultra celebrities and their fans and the way that fans are obsessed with the IDEA of the person, and the celebrity in turn is obsessed with maintaining that love, to the point that they neglect authentic personal relationships and lose touch with the reality of who they are. I think the real Elvis was a shitty person and I don't necessarily feel bad for him as an individual--but I do think that in itself is extremely tragic for anyone.

So yeah, I'd recommend seeing it, but I'd also recommend reading up on the actual Elvis's life. As you probably should in general with these types of projects.

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wikiangela · 1 year

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finally watching 911 lone star 4x04

finally a good tarlos/carlos episode, the last three their storyline was so fucking boring 😂

all my thoughts while watching under the cut! spoilers ahead!

okay, the first 3 minutes are already far more exciting than their entire storyline through the first three episodes altogether, and I'm loving it haha I cannot fucking wait to see it unfold 😍😍 it's the most invested I've been in carlos' storyline since s3 finale lmao (and he's my fave character - so glad they're stepping it up rn haha)

I know the FBI lady from something and I need to look it up finally because it's bothering me 😂

"do you have to take it" "it's my son" awww I miss their relationship, I wanna see more this season

okay, so I accidentally saw a bit of a spoiler about that scene, and that people were mad about Owen's advice here? but like... it's a good advice? 😂 like, he told TK to give Carlos space and let him reach out first whenever he's ready, it's not unreasonable, since they both have no idea what's really happening, and TK just thinks Carlos is with Iris 😂 and like, yeah he basically hung up on him, because the fucking FBI were literally rushing him wtf, I'm not Owen's biggest fan either (tho he looks so fucking hot this season I'm not even that mad that he gets so much screen time lol) but jfc he's not always the worst 😂

shit, Carlos' situation is stressing me out but it's so exciting 😍

aw, not TK blaming himself 😭😭

"it's not entirely legal, but it's not entirely illegal either" thank god for Grace 😂

like, I'm sorry, it is all very stressful and I'm worried for Carlos (well, not really, I know he's gonna be fine 🙄) but I just can't help but laugh bc the dynamic between the serial killer and his mom is lowkey so funny 😂 - sometimes I laugh more at lone star than at actual comedies istg 😂

while I generally really don't mind Owen's screen time all that much anymore (I actually enjoyed him in s3 and now in s4 so far, and I like O'Brien's actor) - this is supposed to be Carlos' episode, pls fuck off Owen lol

Carlos' parents!! yaaay! I'm loving this episode

"I'm a fireman, our codes are like: fire" 😂 Owen has been hilarious since s3 and it's the main reason I don't mind him that much anymore 😂 (also, seriously, why does he look so good, is he like... less annoying or something? why am I noticing it this much this season jfc)

we're getting protective and worried TK!!! 🥺🥺😍

omg TK is literally right there!!! oh my god I'm gonna cry

I love Gabriel so much, I'm so happy we're seeing him, and that he's on the case - if anyone's gonna find his son, it's him (I hope lol)

that police officer didn't just turn away like that... 🤦🏻‍♀️ like, you're looking for a missing person, you hear even the least suspicious thing, you should check it out, right? 😂 idk, lmao

they found out who the murdurer is kinda quickly and easily, and it's almost the end of the episode 😂 idk why I expected more, this is not really that kinda show, but I just binged criminal minds so I guess subconsciously I kinda connected that to the serial killer and expected more? 😂 idk, still loving this 😂

YAS GABRIEL AND TK ARE HERE!!

it's so dramatic, and like, yeah, he's dying, but like, I would be so much more worried if we didn't see photos from next episodes, and, like, Carlos and TK in suits/tuxes or whatever 😂😂

like, I loved this episode, but like, with all the promo stuff for the season, there's like no stakes when it comes to tarlos because obviously they're gonna be okay? 😂 imo they kinda fucked up with the promo because there's no suspense sns 😂

I hate that Owen isn't answering TK's calls, because, like I said, I miss their s1 relationship, but also, he has a valid reason - but then again, it is his fault he got himself into that mess 😂 I just want wholesome dad-son moments between TK and Owen pls, I'm a sucker for parent-child relationships 😭

I was about to say that I hope this FBI/whatever the name of the gang is storyline is over, but apparently not....

and that's the last scene? no Carlos? if the next episode doesn't show us Carlos in the hospital bed with TK next to him, I'm gonna be so disappointed

now that the serial killer thing is done, I hope we'll see more of the 126 again - please I am begging you, give Marjan and Paul and Mateo and Nancy some fucking storylines, PLEASE (and can Iris like, leave? like, I don't dislike her, but she's so whatever 😂)

anyway, this might've been the best episode so far, it was great, I enjoyed it - tho, like I said, no tension or suspense because they fucked it up by the promo stuff 😂 if they kept us in suspense about later episodes, if we had no idea if the wedding was gonna happen, if there was even a hint of a possibility that they'd kill Carlos off, this episode would hit so much more fr

still, I really liked it, I love the focus on Carlos, and Gabriel was there, and we got worried TK, it was great 😅

looking forward to the next one! (not really "can't wait" somehow this season isn't really keeping me waiting for the next episode eagerly idk, I just want some other team members to get some storylines pls)

#I feel like this season is kinda weak ngl haha #like I'm enjoying it but also it's not amazing?#911 ls season 4 #911 ls 4x04 #911 ls #911 ls spoilers #911 lone star spoilers #911 lone star #thoughts while watching #episode commentary

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empressdad · 2 years

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TOH HOLLOW MIND SPOILERS;

(those are just my reactions from the beggining of an episode till the very end)

— poor hunter doesn't know what the bananas are and has to pretend that he doesn't care

— oo luz teaches king spanish!!

— teenage rebellion

— run hunter run or otherwise you'd have to face your trauma soon

— the way she just yelled "hunter!" and he already knew what's going on. he looks so disappointed and as always tired

— went well

— *laughs* "you want to prove that my uncle is evil" damn could he be even more traumatized?

— of course he read alot about this subject. from "ugh how could you" he kinda quickly switched to "ooooo" nerdy

— he looks so happy

— he never found out what happend to the previous one you say? HMM I GUESS HE PROBABLY JUST RETIRED AND LIVED HAPPILY FOR SUREE

— "darius looks so sad here" is there a chance that he knows what happend to previous golden guard and this is why he's part of the rebellion?

— BELOS OH NO

— smol belos hwh

— he actually felt something after he touched that palisman

— oh NO eyEbAllS

— so easy to scare indeed

— omg i love how much he cares about flapjack

— "ⁱ ᵗᵒˡᵈ ʸᵒᵘ ⁱ ʳᵉᵃᵈ ᵃᵇᵒᵘᵗ ᵗʰᵒˢᵉ ˢᵗᵘᶠᶠ" he said softly while behind him we have a pic from he's childhood where he haves obvious human ears CAN SOMEONE TURN BACK AND LOOK AT IT GOODAMIT

— "i love you" hvdjsvxsbhdjdhshsbsjxhd hunter said that he loves flapjack hunter said that he loves flapjack

— kid belos is so cute

— never done anything worthy appearing guilt sure

— lil nod

— flapjack in an owl house

— hooty the protection system

— DARIUS THATS DARIUS DARIUS AND RAINE AND EVERWOLF GODDAMIT I LOVE THIS EPISODE

— darius actually cares about hunter omg

— another golden guard oh man that's getting harsh

— greater good sure

— he's so classic british evil (don't get me wrong all you british people out there i'm just taking about *kind* of evil like all of those colonizers

— hunter is not fun of dying

— show for kids

— hunter is in denial

— creepy belos

— COLLECTOR OMG FINALLY

— hunter in the memory

— "not as long as he stays on the right path" pls hunter don't die

— well how can you be in denial now huh?

— hunter grimwalker confirmed? HUNTER GRIMWALKER COMFIRED

— "it hurts every time he chooses to betray me" now it's just sad

— found family trope? it's kinda bit to soon for that luz

— oh fuck dead golden guard gallery

— the inner belos is a child. there's living monster made out of the dead palismans in the emperor's mind. that's.. interesting.

— yay my youtube just lagged, waiting for the rest in that important moment cool

— okay, back again

— ⁿO DON'T

— why-

— he's killing those palismans again

— did they changed the actor to philip now? can't tell

— i feel so bad for hunter this is just painful now

— "it wasn't wild magic, wasn't it?" he sounds like he's gonna cry and i want belos dead

— yes he's a grimwalker ladies, gentlemen and all of the other genders we were right

— "you looked the most like him" is he talking about he's brother

— witch hunting did he named hunter cause of witch hunting if so hunter should legally change his name to caleb

— haha philip wittabane goes wild

— "no no no no no" actually yes

— HE ALWAYS KNEW

— his not just belos he's philip lmaoo

— king is worried

— RAINE BRINGED FLOWERS DID THEM

— belos needs more human friends in this world huh

— he changed his form to philip HE DID

— "better version of an old friend" does he mean his brother or not i don't need sleep i need answers!!

— he's evil lmao

— hunter yesss

— i mean.. at least flapjack is alive

— that's called panic attack sweetheart

— pain

— that's awful i really do feel bad for him i really do

— we the hell are they standing outside we need darius to help hunter

— and that's it?

— why isn't there more

— we need more

— pls hunter come back he's going to catch you there

— okay so that's it? that's it. and there wouldn't be more episodes for another month. they just left us with a cliffhanger. cool.

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Hamilton Inaccuracies/Corrections (because why not?)

Okay so, I saw a post on reddit that was like, “what’s some inaccuracies in Hamilton off the top of your head?” and I got a whole bunch...and then I had to double check to make sure if I was right...and I’m pretty long-winded...and now I have this 5,000ish word monstrosity. And apparently you can only post 1000 characters at a time on reddit. Laaaaame. So here’s some Hamilton facts I’ve gathered in my brain. Since it was kinda off the top of my head despite being so long, it’s kinda vague in some places, so if anyone wants to expand on anything (or correct me if I oopsed somewhere) please do! Though nicely please.

Also I am also awful at citing things, but I know I learned some of this from @john-laurens and @ciceroprofacto so thank you.

LET’S BEGIN!

Act 1

Rachel Faucette was not a prostitute, but she was a “whore” in the sense that she did what she fucking wanted with her body. During her first marriage she may or may not have been sleeping around, but she refused to stay with John Lavien, her husband, anymore. So he had her arrested. And he could do that. Because patriarchy and theocracy. And she was essentially put in solitary confinement. You can see why she tried to leave, right? She tried to get their marriage annulled or get a divorce. I forget what the issue was but she couldn’t and eventually she just moved to another island where she met James Hamilton.

The intro song makes it seem like Alexander was an only child. He actually had an older brother, James Jr., but he kinda fucked off after their mother died, working and taking care of himself. They also had an older half-brother Peter Lavien, but I don’t think they really knew him other than as the son of their mother’s abusive ex who took everything from them when she died. John Lavien was able to do that because when Rachel was with James Hamilton, she had not been able to get legally divorced from him so she wasn’t really married to James Hamilton, so James Jr. and Alexander were illegitimate ie bastards. He was an asshole. I don't think Peter had anything against the Hamiltons, but I think he grew up to be a Loyalist so. He actually made some trouble in South Carolina for Henry Laurens, John's dad! But I think I read somewhere he also left money for Alex and James Jr. In his will, which is sweet.

This is more visual since it’s not specified in the song, but in the show, Hamilton’s cousin mimes hanging himself. Peter Lytton’s cause of death if I recall was inconclusive, but he was in his bed and there was a lot of blood. So, yeah, he didn’t hang himself.

Alexander did not punch the bursar. However he did return to Princeton later during the war and blew a canon through the school and apparently decapitated a painting of King George lololol. He was under orders, but yknow. Probably felt pretty good after he was rejected for accelerated courses. He wasn’t the only bastard rejected, though! Ben Franklin’s bastard son was too. The guy in charge of admissions, Witherspoon, hated bastards as a concept and Princeton was a very religious school at the time I believe.

It may have been the plan by Aaron and Esther Burr for Aaron Jr to graduate Princeton, but like, he couldn’t really be sure of that? He was like 2 years old when they died, and his older sister Sally was 4 I believe, maybe 5.

Hercules Mulligan met Alex in 1772. His older brother Hugh knew Alex’s old employer in St. Croix and helped him get to mainland America. Alex and Hercules lived together for a long while, and Hercules is actually who got him interested in the revolution.

John Laurens was in England in 1776. He wouldn’t meet Hamilton and Lafayette until he accepted his post as Washington’s aide-de-camp upon his return in August of 1777.

Lafayette couldn’t have met Hamilton before August 1777 because that’s when he met Washington, and he was appointed as a volunteer to the Continental Army only a week prior, and before that he had been in France. But Lafayette later declared their relationship to be like that of brothers, Alexander his closest connection in the states besides Washington.

Lafayette admired and absolutely adored Laurens and they were besties, but neither of them knew Mulligan. They may have met in passing, or heard about him from Hamilton, but nothing more.

“Lafayette” was actually a nickname based on his title of “Marquis de la Fayette”. In his autobiography, he wrote: “It’s not my fault I was baptized like a Spaniard, with the name of every conceivable saint who might offer me more protection in battle.” I’m glad he thought it was funny at least. His name is Marie-Joseph Paul Yves Roch Gilbert du Motier, Marquis de la Fayette.

Hercules Mulligan is not known to fuck horses.

The Revolution had already sorta started. Actually, Hercules and Alexander had been part of local militias before 1776.

This is more of a miscommunication since the actors are close in age, though the lyrics try to get it across. There’s a reason Mulligan says he’s got the others “in loco parentis”. In 1776 Hamilton and Lafayette would have been 19, Laurens would have been 22, and Mulligan would have been 36.

I think we all know “Laurens, I like you a lot” does not cover the scope of their relationship but that’s rather self explanatory so unless someone asks I’ll leave it at that. And for other clarifications. But at the very least I’ll share this: Anyone who saw them knew they were like attached at the hip (without knowing how attached *winkwonk*) and you could almost always contact one through the other. Laurens was notoriously bad at answering letters, to Hamilton too (and Alex did bitch about it because he is insecure and needs love), but it became quickly known he got back to Hamilton fastest so people would be like “Tell Laurens I said hi!” or “Hey, I need to get these to Laurens, you send them to him.” Which is hilarious. I just imagine Alexander going, “Why me?”

While all of them are Revolutionaries, Laurens is the only one you could solidly call an abolitionist, and Mulligan’s even shaky on the manumission part. He was supposedly part of the Manumission Society Hamilton helped start, but Mulligan also personally owned slaves and was never known to have freed them (One helped him with spy shit. His name was Cato!). In fairness, Hamilton and Lafayette wholeheartedly agreed with Laurens, and Hamilton was the biggest supporter of his battalion plan, and both of them did try to continue working towards equality after the war, but it was never the top priority for either of them and their lives kinda went to hell, so it fell to the wayside. Lafayette actually did some nifty stuff worth looking at, and Hamilton might have tried to keep one of John Lauren’s freed men from Henry Laurens! But as slavery stuck around for a while, it clearly wasn’t anything significant.

Angelica would meet and befriend Thomas Jefferson in Europe, but she would never manage to convince him to put women in a sequel because he’s a huge misogynist and told her in multiple letters that politics isn’t for women and I think he deserves a shoe up his southern backside. Side note, it always bothered me that Lin played up the misogyny in the musical. I mean, yeah, all of them would be misogynists compared to us, but for their time, Hamilton wasn’t so bad. If there was anyone to play up misogyny with, it was Jefferson, because he would tell Angelica for years and years that politics could never make women happy, and that the women in France were foolish for trying etc.. Hamilton would actually discuss politics with Angelica frequently and openly. And there’s a proto-feminist in the cast that was never recognized—Aaron Burr! He respected Theodosia Sr. as an equal and she was his most valuable political ally, and he made sure Theodosia Jr. got the same education any boy of her time would have. He actually respected women to a decent degree. Not to say he wasn't as much of a ho as Hamilton cuz yeah that's accurate (but they were both disaster bisexuals more on Burr's sexuality later)

Farmer Refuted was an essay Hamilton wrote arguing against Samuel Seabury's posts. They weren't shouting in the public square(but Lin got the sass right. I love his face when Hamilton and Seabury are fighting over the podium). Seabury was also really really old, not young and cute like Thayne, hence the line about "mange". Blech.

General Montgomery didn’t take a bullet in the neck, it was a grapeshot from a canon in his head (and his thighs), but close enough I guess. Side note: Burr actually served a short interim on Washington’s staff, but only for like 10 days because they hated each other lolol.

Alexander didn’t bring Laurens, Mulligan, or Lafayette to Washington. Lafayette joined up with the Continental Army in 1777 and quickly convinced them he wasn’t like the other French nobles; he was a glory-seeking kid with a boner for America (for some reason???). Laurens was requested by Washington to join his military family and he arrived also in August 1777 just after Lafayette. Like previously stated, Mulligan was doing shit even before Hamilton did.

Alexander would not have been in charge of spy shit (though may have been somewhat involved). Washington had people like Mulligan for that, who actually saved Washington a few times. But also, the "King’s men who might let some things slide" was the tactic Mulligan used. He was actually very charming, and his wife was very high in British society and he was a skilled tailor, so they were thought of well among the redcoats, and he got a lot of information through chatting with his customers. He also could usually smooth-talk his way out of trouble. Actually, Mulligan blended in so well, when the war was over, people in the city wanted him out cuz they thought he was a Loyalist. So George fucking Washington paid him a visit and commissioned I think a coat from him, and that cleared that up. He got a LOT of business after that.

Alexander would not be Washington’s right hand man, or at least, not his only one if Lin was using that to mean aide-de-camp. In that case, Laurens would also be Washington’s right hand man, along with many men not named in the musical.

John Laurens may have been reliable with the ladies (comes with the territory of being hot, rich, and a perfect gentleman), but he most certainly didn’t want to be. His father noted, rather proudly at the time, that as a young teenager he expressed no interest in girls. John was also married by 1780, and at least Alexander knew. (he told John he'd found out in the well-known April 1779 letter. You know... “Cold in my professions...find me a wife...the length of my nose...” That one.) Because John apparently didn't tell people he was married. Laurens. Sweetheart. Get. Your. Shit. Together.

John also would not be at this ball. February 1779 to March 1780 he is fighting down south, and this ball was early 1780.

The tomcat thing may be half true. Martha Washington did supposedly name a cat Hamilton, but it was an affectionate thing. The slang tomcat meaning ho wasn’t a thing at that time, so it couldn’t be named to tease Alex for his promiscuity. I believe this was one of the many things John Adams made up to slander Hamilton.

Hamilton and Eliza had met before 1780. They had met once two years prior at a dinner her father had hosted. Also, Hamilton had been courting her friend Kitty Livingston, and his friend and fellow aide Tench Tilghman had been attempting to court Eliza, and they’d actually done at least one sort-of double date (which is adorable). So this shouldn’t have been the first time they’d seen each other. Could still be when they fell in love, though, since they started courting after this. Which is cute to think about.

Speaking of Tench and Eliza! I don't remember when this took place but Tilghman journaled it, he went out on something of a hike with a few ladies and they got to a cliff. Of course, he had to help the girls climb up. Except Eliza who started climbing by herself like a natural to the bewilderment and likely horror of the other ladies. Elizabeth Schuyler was a bamf okay?

Of course everyone knows by now, Angelica was married before Eliza. During the Winter’s Ball, she’d already eloped with Jack Carter aka John Barker Church and run away to Boston.

Their courtship was not that fast. Not like, weeks. More like months. Fun fact, Eliza is the only of the five (yes FIVE) Schuyler sisters who didn’t elope and actually got her parents permission! But here’s a heartbreaking fun fact: while Alex was courting Eliza, Laurens was taken prisoner and then on probation. He wasn’t allowed to leave the state of Pennsylvania. He was mentally in a very dark place. Alex kind of procrastinated telling Laurens about Eliza, didn’t say he was courting anyone until they were already engaged.

I can't leave this alone if I'm sad you have to be too. Alex was hella depressed during this time too. Of course he was a soldier so he couldn't see Eliza as much as he'd have liked. On top of that, he kept pushing for an exchange for John and kept getting rejected because they couldn't show preference for him. And then Laurens was sending him very few letters, of course, and the ones he did send were very depressed, even suicidal sounding. He had to work while dealing with that. He had to keep begging Eliza to write to him to be reassured that she still liked him.

No one could show up for Hamilton for the wedding. Some sources say fellow aide James McHenry showed up, but he’s the only one. Alexander even invited his deadbeat dad, offered to pay all his travel expenses and everything, guess how that turned out. So Eliza’s side of the hall was packed and his was empty. God, can you imagine how sad that is?

Another heartbreaking fun fact! John Laurens was out of probation and could have made it to the wedding, was invited (Hamilton, I kid you not, jokingly invited him to a threesome with his new wife in a letter: “I wish you were at liberty to transgress the bounds of Pensylvania. I would invite you after the fall to Albany to be witness to the final consummation.” (emphasis is original to Hamilton. As is the misspelling of Pennsylvania. Yes, seriously.)) and John did not go. Instead he went back to work trying to talk his way out of getting sent as an envoy to France and suggesting Alexander to take his place. You know. His boyfriend who just got married. Sure, he was right that Hamilton was better equipped for the job, but yknow. Another fun fact, one of the guys who voted for John to be the one to go to France was John’s ex-boyfriend Francis Kinloch. Who was a turncoat, and had been a royalist when he and Laurens split. How’s that for some twisty bullshit.

Sorry, this one isn’t about the musical, it’s a tangent, I just got excited about that quote. Both that style of innuendo and the misspelling of Pennsylvania are consistent in Hamilton’s writing. Listening to john-lauren’s podcast about the April 1779 letter can really help you understand how Hammy uses innuendo but also I just love listening to it it’s insightful and hilarious and I love John Laurens but y u do this and my heart hurts for Hamilton but he is also a ho but aNYWAY. As for Pensylvania...well, he kinda made that mistake on an important document. ...It’s The Constitution. He misspelled Pennsylvania on The Constitution. No big deal. Not like something that could haunt his legacy forever. Oh my god I’m so sorry.

Philip Schuyler did have sons. Five in fact. Two of them died pretty young though I think, considering there are three kids in a row named John Bradstreet Schuyler. The other two were named Philip Jeremiah and Rensselaer.

Laurens, Lafayette, and Mulligan were all married before Hamilton. Hercules Mulligan married Elizabeth Sanders in 1773. Lafayette married his beloved Adrienne in 1774. John Laurens was regretfully obliged to marry Martha Manning in 1776.

Sigh. Again with the misogyny. Anyway, I wanted to comment on the marriage as a loss of freedom. From what I can tell, Elizabeth helped Hercules with his spy work at home. John was literally fighting a war across the ocean from his wife, and probably having an illegal affair with Alexander (though to be fair to him, he was kind of running away from Martha because he didn't marry her for love, gosh, there are no winners here). Lafayette absolutely adored his wife but still was also fighting a war an ocean away, and had multiple affairs, at least one with his wife’s blessing. So yeah, losing your freedom with marriage? Bullshit.

Despite where it is in the musical and Eliza singing the beginning, Stay Alive is roughly about Valley Forge, which would be December of 1777 through June of 78. So before the ball and wedding. (Fun fact! A lot of people theorize Valley Forge as when Hamilton and Laurens’ relationship may have escalated into romantic and/or sexual territory. They may have had more privacy, as small temporary buildings were being made to better withstand the cold, and Hamilton was sick a lot during that time and did need tending a lot. West Indian boi did not like Northern winter.) But yeah, Congress being stupid and the army resorting to eating their horses sometimes and not being able to buy food and equipment? All true. It was a real bad winter.

Mulligan wouldn’t have to go back to New York, he never would have left. He remained there as a tailor and a spy throughout the war. He wouldn’t have been traveling with Washington.

Hamilton and Laurens didn't write essays so much as start working out John's battalion plan and writing letters trying to push for it.

This duel happened in 1778, so like. This timeline is so fucky.

Stay Alive makes it seem like Hamilton was the one who wanted to duel Lee, but it was 100% Laurens from the start. The off-Broadway version demonstrates it a bit better. Hamilton was Lauren's second to save his ass. Hamilton had a rough relationship with Washington, but Laurens admired him greatly and would have willingly defended his commander’s honor. John was a Good Boy who always bowed his head to his asshole father, even at first for his battalion plan, but John wouldn’t let even his father talk shit about Washington. Fun fact about this duel, Alex and John were late to the duel because they “got lost in the woods”. Oooookay. Suuuuuuure. And Baron von Steuben was straight. (Fact: Steuben was very gay and pretty much pushed out of Europe for it. And he actually also had challenged Lee! They talked things out before this.)

Aaron Burr was not Charles Lee’s second. His second was a Major Evan Edwards. Lin wanted a parallel with the final duel. To be fair, that was a really cool way to do it and I like it better that way.

Alexander Hamilton could NOT agree that duels are dumb and immature. He was in 10 duel challenges as a participant in his lifetime, 9 of which he was the challenger. One time he challenged two people at once. One time he challenged an entire politcal party apparently. No, I am not kidding. He had a bad day. And I think you know the one time he wasn’t the challenger.

Lee did not yield on the first shot, nor was Laurens satisfied. Lee was pretty much like, “It’s just a flesh wound!” and wanted to go another round and Laurens agreed, but Hamilton and Edwards managed to talk them down. Yes he was shot in the side. But that wasn’t all because Laurens absolutely roasted Lee at his court martial.

Lee: Were you ever in an action before?

Laurens: I have been in several actions; I did not call that an action, as there was no action previous to the retreat.

I love this man. So much. The sass of this man.

We don’t know if Washington was angry about the duel with Lee. We do know that Laurens, and probably Hamilton, had Christmas dinner with him two days later. When Hamilton left, it was because Washington had snapped over a misunderstanding (caused by Lafayette actually, and he really tried to make it better because Lafayette is a sweetheart), and then continued to deny Hamilton the command he requested, and he resigned. It was entirely unrelated to the duel and Laurens. However, the daddy issues are real.

I don’t know if Lafayette went to France for more funds and came back with more guns, but Laurens certainly did! Ben Franklin told him to chill, but he actually got super impatient and ended up supposedly disrespecting and maybe kinda threatening the court, demanding what he needed, and walking out. They were were kind of shocked and impressed into giving more than had been requested. Any existing deities bless John Laurens. I love him.

Lafayette actually nominated his own aide to lead the charge and Hamilton appealed for himself and Washington finally gave in to Hamilton.

Laurens was not in South Carolina. When he finally got back from France, he was sent to Yorktown. He actually was commanding the group Alexander led. (Power couple lol) He also helped with negotiations after the battle. Also, supposedly making the British play ‘The World Turned Upside Down’ on their way out was Laurens’ idea because boy is made of sass and spite.

Henry Laurens would not have sent a letter to Hamilton about John’s death. Even if he would have, he couldn’t. At that time, he’d been locked up in the Tower of London as a prisoner. We have no idea when or how Alexander found out, or who might have told him. We know he wrote to Nathanael Greene on October 25 and Lafayette on November 3 (literally 2 months after Laurens' death), and the mentions of Laurens were very short. It’s thought that he really couldn’t talk about Laurens. People have compared it to the stories of how Benjamin Tallmadge apparently couldn’t hear Nathan Hale’s name without crying.

After Yorktown Alexander resigned and John went down south to flush British troops out of the southern states. His group was ambushed at Combahee River and he decided to charge instead of wait for backup and he died. Many people think it was a combination of his usual recklessness, suicidality, and glory-seeking mixed with a desperation with the war coming to an end. It was such a small skirmish. He deserved better. He left his daughter, Frances, whom he had never met, orphaned, as her mother had died months earlier from sickness. She was adopted by John’s oldest younger sister, also coincidentally Martha Laurens (though married was Martha Laurens Ramsay).

The Levi Weeks case was years later than that, in 1800, though it was alongside Burr. Hamilton actually lost his first trial as a defense lawyer and was not with Burr.

The whole conversation where Hamilton proposes Burr help him write the Federalist Papers is fake. Lin made that up entirely.

John Church’s wealth kinda...varies. He was a gambler. At first, he was actually in quite a bit of debt. He did make it big eventually and he and Angelica moved to Europe. He really didn’t seem to be a lot of fun to most people, but Angelica eloped with him. She chose him against her father’s wishes. I don’t get why Lin kept writing lines saying she didn’t love him, at least at first. He also does this in the cut song Congratulations where she says “I languished in a loveless marriage” bish you eloped wat She also lived as a socialite and was adored by anyone who met her apparently, so like???? da fuq Lin. Didja really do Laurens dirty for these lies or at the very least uncertanties? Could you not prop up that romance without making her say she hates her husband?

Act 2

More of a personality miscommunication. Irl Thomas Jefferson was shy, quiet, and hypersensitive, nothing like how Daveed plays him. If you knew a guy like the real Jefferson in real life you might be endeared to him out of pity or because he seems sweet, but in the short time of a musical that would immediately be read as cold and unlikable. So the best way to portray “this guy is a likable asshole” is to make him loud and made of sass which is what Daveed does magnificently. So, not at all accurate to real Jefferson, but gets the concept of him across.

Thomas was not off getting high with the French. Probably. He was making negotiations for the Revolution. And abusing Sally Hemings (his, at the time, 14 year old slave, who was also his sister-in-law, and 30 years his junior, and was brought along to entertain his daughter). And actually probably chatting up with Angelica!

By the time Philip was 9, he had two sisters, Angelica (7) and his foster/adopted sister Frances Antill (6), but he also had two brothers already, Alexander Jr. (5) and James Alexander (3), with maybe another one on the way since William Stephen would be born next year.

The whole comma thing is backwards. It was Angelica who made the initial mistake. Hamilton pointedly and flirtatiously teased her about it before closing it with “Adieu ma chere, soeur” French for “Goodbye my dear, sister”. So it’s more playful and less lovey dovey in context, so the tone is all wrong. It’s not romantic, it’s teasing and snarky.

Say No To This feels like it’s over quick. The affair lasted a year, not just the summer Eliza was away.

Clermont Street wasn’t renamed until many years later.

I don’t know that Alex has always considered Burr a friend. Irl they weren’t as close, and Hamilton was keenly aware of how slimy Burr could be.

Lafayette was NOT fine. He was imprisoned a lot during the French Revolution, the poor man, and many members of his wife’s family were killed. HOWEVER! Hamilton was not just sitting by. Angelica and her husband did make an attempt to rescue Lafayette, and the Hamiltons fostered Lafayette’s son Georges Washington Lafayette (yes that was his actual name). So Hamilton also did not forget Lafayette.

Not all his defendants got acquitted, obviously. Stop being cocky, Ham.

People comment on how Jefferson whines about Hamilton’s fashion sense while literally dressed in violet velvet. The original plan was to have him in browns, but Daveed is just such a friggin star that they just had to give him something brighter and decided to go with a Prince-inspired look. Originally the browns were going to be representative of his supposed representation of farmers. Though note here: Jefferson’s agricultural representation is much the same as modern Republicans’ rural representation. More for show.

Actually, let's get political for a sec. I've done some research in my hyperfixation and in searches for Hamilton shiz I've ended up stumbling into far-right nonsense and I know how to recognize the degrees of nonsense from years of actually paying attention to it now because this is what I do apparently. Which is weird, right? Lin kinda portrays him like a lefty. Well, here's the thing. Any proud historically educated Republican will tell you that their roots are in the Federalist Party. Which is technically true. What they will neglect to mention is the flip between parties that happened when the Republicans decided to use southerners racism to their advantage in elections. Being subtly racist can get the racists and the non-racists on your side! Yeah, it's gross. Federalists are more like Democrats. The corporatists. They clearly care more about companies and Wall Street, but they put actual action into social progress on rare occasion. Democratic-Republicans are like Republicans, conservatives who don't want social change and rail against it and pretend they aren't for corporate interests while being just as bad as the other guys. But Republicans have a tendency to rewrite history to paint themselves as the good guys, or reclaim things that aren't theirs as their own. Just look at the Civil War! Or...literally just...America I guess. Yikes. But yeah, here's your warning. Don't just go looking at and trusting things labelled Federalist. It likely won't be friendly.

John Adams didn’t fire Hamilton, Hamilton left. Eventually. And this is not the only time this kind of verbal confrontation happens, and not the one that destroys the Federalist Party. That actually happens after the Reynolds Pamphlet. But John Adams hates Alexander Hamilton with the burning passion of a thousand suns and really kinda earns this.

I’m not sure if he specifically called Alex a Creole bastard but I wouldn’t be surprised, there were other similar racist and bastard-related insults. You know the tomcat thing mentioned above. He started the rumor of the affair with Angelica. He accused him of being a rake (male version of whore at the time). He also may have behind closed doors accused him of being a sodomite. His (probably gay) son Charles helped with that one, bringing back rumors from a dinner he had with Hamilton (who he was working for) and John Church because Church joked about Alex being fond of a guy. Adams probably thought working for Hamilton was what made his son gay and alcoholic (Charles was an alcoholic and may have died in part because of that; Hamilton was not an alcoholic, but he supposedly could not hold his drink. He was smol).

Jefferson, Madison, and Burr didn’t accuse Hamilton of speculation. It was James Monroe, Abraham Venable, and Frederick Muhlenberg. Lin wanted to keep consistent representation of the Democratic-Republican party. But anyway, the whole thing went to hell because Monroe sent the letters to Jefferson (or I’ve also heard Monroe gave them to Madison who sent them to Jefferson) who, the spiteful gangly fucker, started spreading rumors because fuck Hamilton, amirite? Hamilton challenged Monroe to a duel over that. And who stopped this duel? Aaron Burr. He gets to be the good guy now and then.

It wasn’t just total strangers that got Alex off the island. He was sponsored by his cousin Ann Lytton and his teacher Reverend Hugh Knox. Also, he was kind of expected to get an education and come back and help out the island...guess what he never did. Oops.

This one I may be wrong, but I’m pretty sure. I think Eliza was upstate with her family when the Reynolds Pamphlet was released, away from Alex. I also know she had recently given birth to their son, William Stephen. A lot of people think Alexander had been keeping that in mind. Eliza had had a miscarriage once before, when she was under a lot of stress and alone and with the kids and he had to be away (Whiskey Rebellion), so some people think he made sure she was surrounded by her family and waited until the child was born to drop this on her, and gave her distance from him if she needed it. At least he knew he fucked up, and he really did love her.

Those weren’t Alexander’s guns. They belonged to John Church.

It was quite some time between Philip’s challenge and the actual duel.

Another age miscommunication; Eacker was 27ish and Philip was 19 when the duel happened. There was a whole 8 years between them!

Eacker didn’t shoot early. Actually, both of them stood staring at each other for a really long time doing nothing. But Philip went to make a move and Eacker shot him.

Alex and Eliza had made up from the Reynolds Pamphlet bullshit before Philip died. When he passed, Eliza was already pregnant with the son they would also name Philip in honor of his older brother.

Hamilton wasn’t really the deciding factor in the election of 1800. But he did say that about Burr and it did help swing the vote somewhat. But also, this was before Philip died. Philip died in 1801.

If a vote is that close, you can’t win in a landslide??? That’s not how words work???? Mister Miranda????? You are a writer??????? Sir???????

Burr actually held a term as Jefferson’s Vice President.

The Burr vs Hamilton Duel was in 1804 and was actually about another election and other things Hamilton was saying about him. Burr was running to be governor of New York and lost but heard about Alexander telling people the things he listed Alexander saying in Your Obedient Servant.

Thayne should not have played Alexander’s doctor. Sydney should have played Alexander’s doctor. Do you know why? Philip and Alexander had the same doctor when they died. Alexander took that doctor with him to the duel. His name was David Hosack.

While there’s evidence to suggest Burr experienced immediate regret (he stepped forward as if wanting to see if Hamilton was okay and supposedly asked after him and wished him well before Alexander passed) in the years that followed, until he was on his death bed, he expressed nothing but neutrality or even pride for having shot Hamilton. The ‘the world was wide enough’ comment could plausibly be entirely made up, and even if it were true, it was supposedly said toward the end of Burr’s life. Burr's life was quite a ride after Alex. He tried to make like his own empire out of Texas, and then of course was tried for treason, but he got out of that, but then everyone hated him for that ON TOP OF already hating him for killing Hamilton, so he had some crazy journey around Europe for a while. He kept a journal, writing entries like letters to Theo. The most notable things I think he writes he'd "been amused for an hour with a very handsome young Dane. Don't smile. It is a male!" which implies maybe Theodosia knew her dad was bi and was at least amused by it? And he spent a while living with Jeremy Bentham, who is generally accepted to have been gay (if you want more Burr gayness look into Jonathan Bellamy and Robert Troup. Troup knew Hamilton too!). Unrelated to his sexuality but I find it important, Burr spent, in modern cash, $40 on a coconut, in his own words, "like an ass." He returned to America eventually. I dont remember if it was before or after his foreign adventures, but his beloved grandson (also named Aaron Burr) died, and then not long after, Theodosia was lost at sea on her way to visit her dad. No one knows what happened to her. It's so sad. Anyway he married a wealthy widow named Eliza, spent all her money on charity, and died the day their divorce was finalized. And Eliza Jumel's divorce lawyer was Alexander Hamilton Jr..

Poor Eliza couldn’t go through all of her husband’s papers. Her son, John Church Hamilton, finished the work for her when she no longer could and put together the biography that inspired Chernow’s that inspired Lin’s musical. (He named a son Alexander and a daughter Elizabeth. He even named one of his sons Laurens! Aw.) And we have come full circle.

The End :33

There’s probably more but that’s what I’ve got. Thanks for reading!

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danny phantom season 2, episode 17-20 thoughts! finishing up season two! the finale is the THIRD 2-PARTER OF SEASON 2. that's so many! I wonder how many season 3 will have?

see prev episode thoughts in this tag <3

-UERGH WHY DOES VLAD HAVE AN AI WITH MADDIE'S FACE ON IT. SOOO CREEPY. AND MORE 'CREATIONS' waiiiit. vlad is Dr. Frankenstein! (despite his ghost design obviously referencing vampires) HE HAS 'CREATIONS' HE MAKES THEN WONT TAKE REAL RESPONSIBILITY FOR!!! this bitch.

-danny was late and his friends immediately start going off about how hes inconsiderate, and has been treating them like sidekicks??? he just overslept, my god. chill. even if he has, be nicer about talking about it with him?? he really can't help that he sometimes has to chase the ghosts, or has a secret identity to protect...

-'what kind of ghost haunts a miniature golf course' umm. me as a ghost. next question

-imagine going home and theres a tiny child on your bed claiming to be your cousin. with as many cousins I have, I would probably believe her. but the 'ran away from home' BIT....SHES 12?? SHES SO TINY. I hate that they have her belly out in her ghost form, but I like how her colors are asymmetrical. something about her design...maybe the proportions?? are weird to me...anyway danny was good to feed her, but he shouldve taken her to his parents FIRST. or, tbh, probably jazz. (JAZZ DIDNT EVEN GET TO MEET HER!!! NOOO. I mean she said she'll be BACK BUT STILL)

-ANYWAY. shes voiced by AnnaSophia Robb, the girl who was in because of winn dixie, played as violet from charlie and the chocolate factory, and was the girl from bridge to terrabithia. (the movie that made me cry hysterically when I was 12 and I never watched it again because it Broke Me!) thats super cool.

-vlad sucks: the episode, basically. what's new!! I love how he's like, I'm Not A Villain. *immediately cuts to him torturing danny to make him transform, to get mid-transformation DNA, to perfect a Clone.* *immediately shows that he doesnt give a shit about his new daughter Dani and just wants a ''more perfect clone'' and will put her in danger to get that. will let her DIE to get that*

-Dani is danny's clone and is a girl? transgenderism....one of them has to be trans. or they both are.

-dani just. leaving at the end. WHAT? SHES 12. DONT JUST. NO!!! SHE WAS PROBABLY JUST BORN, A MONTH AGO AT MOST, RIGHT?? SHE NEEDS...SOMEWHERE TO LIVE. MONEY? FOOD?? A FAMILY?? AN EDUCATION???! WHAT DO YOU MEAN SHE'S LEAVING!!! OKAY BYE I GUESS!!! D: concern!!!

-the next ep opens with skulker chasing a ghost down. ...does skulker count as a ghost hunter in the way valerie and danny do? I mean, sure, he hunts the good guys too, but he. he hunts ghosts...also, we haven't seen his Real Form since his debut episode! tiny...

-the guys in white are back! ngl, I assumed they were a gag for that one episode. you're telling me they might actually be a threat? ok.

-valerie in her lil nasty burger uniform looks so cute!! glad shes not in that mascot uniform this time. I guess she stopped hiding that she's working there now?

-gregor having white hair, dressed in black and white...and green eyes...sam has a Type, I guess.

-danny being unnecessarily hostile about gregor. danny!!! hes been nice so far. he looks a little...tall to be 14, but. danny doesnt know anything about him! (he does Suspect, but...you cant just spy on people and be rude to them from a hunch.) also, gregor kissed her, and when she freaked out, he was like 'oh no!! sorry, we can take it slow! I understand!' which was NICE. I hate jealousy plots still tho.

-altho. umm. tucker, being concerned about danny spying on them??? SAM AND YOU WERE SPYING ON DANNY AND VALERIE A FEW EPISODES AGO!!!!! im not saying its RIGHT, but dont be a hypocrite!!! AND THEN SAM BEING MAD ABOUT IT, TOO.

-DANNY IS A 7 ON THE SCALE OF ECTOPLASMIC POWER!!! out of 10? so I want to know where the other ghosts rank...I mean it's a list from the guys in white, so, it may not even be accurate, like, they havent seen ALL of his powers, have they?

-Lancer being like 'im not cooperating with the FEDS' until they said they could access his tax records. they already did that joke with jack, but like, its still funny. kings of tax evasion.

-tucker's aggressive third-wheeling. but gregor being super into it. gregor/tucker is the real ship here. then gregor kissing danny on both cheeks after hugging him. bi poly king gregor. (he does turn out to be a liar with a phoney accent. unsurprising, BUT THE CONCEPT OF HIM BEING GENUINE AND THEM ALL DATING IS FUN)

-THE...GUYS IN WHITE THINKING GREGOR IS DANNY PHANTOM. LMAOOO. GET HIS ASS. or,, Elliot. lmfao

-sam saying tucker is part of the package because theyre friends was super sweet <3 but also 'part of the package'...polyships are obviously the solution to these dumb jealousy/love triangle plots.

-danny crashed a whole plane. the collateral damage...

-is he....

-you know....

.... (ITS NOT GAY IF YOU'RE DOING IT TO PRETEND TO BE SOMEONE YOU'RE NOT, AND LIE TO A GIRL. RIGHT? he was getting a little too into pretending to enjoy tucker's company, and the above...c'mon, guy.)

-lmao, freakshow is in actual prison. I didn't expect a follow up, or for him to show back up! in the finale of this season, too!

-THE SICK TATTOO GHOST IS NAMED LYDIA!!! more Lore On her. freakshow seemed genuinely concerned about her. also, is she mute? I don't think she talked the first time we saw her, either. and we didn't know freakshow 'envied' ghosts, either, the first time, we just knew he was controlling them. interesting!

-...they literally stole the infinity gauntlet from marvel and called it the reality gauntlet. is that legal. what the fuck. even with the gems in the lil slots, having different powers...they had freakshow in jail, but didnt check his pockets??! hes just still in his lil outfit??? what kind of ...oh, its in amity park. yeah, all of the adults are idiots, okay, sure.

-'freakshow!' 'in the anemic flesh!' dude take some iron pills then. also, sure, the red eyes could be contacts for his aesthetic, but the whites of his eyes are yellow! does he have jaundice?! he severely needs more...like, every kind of vitamin. (this is what im worried about as freakshow attacks danny with giant robots)

-again, goth circus is a sick theme, and I love his goth train.

-oh FUCK every single person saw danny transform. on a stage. including his parents via TV. oh god. the guys in white and immediately like 'youre coming in for experiments!' SCARY. at least the crowd is willing to help him to escape...perks of now being a local celeb! even the kids at school are accepting :) this is what, the third time his family has found out? its always been an alt timeline tho. and danny fully intending to just rewrite things again instead of...I dunno, trying to roll with it this time? hes really worried his family won't accept him, huh...

-'maybe our son IS THE GHOST BOY, but its not as if our family's ghostly activities have EVER PUT YOUR FAMILIES IN DANGER' maddie. mmmmmmmmmmmm. okay.

-danny 100% prepared to run away from home because of this :( oh :( and saying his parents are 'looking for him, or a scalpel to dissect him with' ouch...

-THE GUYS IN WHITE TRYING TO ARREST A 14 YEAR OLD. fuck da feds.

-side note (another one about voice actors...) freakshow's voice actor, Jon Cryer, was lex luthor in pretty much every DC tv show, which is why I recognized his voice, because my dad loves those shows so I've seen a good bit of them without seeking them out...)

-the old man saying 'hey, i still had minutes left!' and danny saying 'you gotta watch those roaming charges!' about danny destroying the people in the diner's phones so no one could report seeing him...would kids today understand these things. can you even BUY minutes anymore...I remember my first phone being a flip phone, and the fact I always had minutes when my sister ran out super fast, because I didnt have friends calling or texting me like she did...:/

-the fentons being genuinely like 'why didnt danny trust us and tell us this, we love him :(' and JAZZ LAYING INTO THEM WITH THE 'DISSECTION/MOLECULE BY MOLECULE' LINES. LITERALLLLY. they need to apologize

-technically, lydias stronger than you! -jazz lesbianism moments! when did you even learn her name!!! but also get freakshows ass. lydia is also cooler looking. looove her design sm still.

-jazz psychoanalyzing freakshow... (also, her also having ghost envy? au where jazz is a ghost!! id like to see it)

-im glad the kids still got to go to their respective vacation things, even if they cant really stick around and enjoy them much...

-furry: confirmed. (also tucker calling her hot. tucker is a furry confirmed)

-danny being mad someone at the comic con is selling comics of him without permission, lmfao. give him his royalties!

-freakshow > thanos because hes a drama clown and does use his gauntlet to be FLASHY AND DRAMATIC.

-jazz's 'USE PYSCOLOGY' to danny about freakshow LMAOO. AND THEN IT WORKING. but, oh, freakshow's ghost form sucks. I like him as a clown better tbh. good thing danny took away his ghost powers!

-his parents hugging him and saying theyre proud :"( and saying 'of course you lied to us, we never gave you a reason not to!' and saying they were in the wrong basically for always talking about hurting ghosts aaaa :""(

-then he WIPED THEIR MEMORIES AGAIN!!! FUCK. I can understand him wiping the goverments/student bodies' memories, but why his parents?? they were being accepting!! ARGHHH. season 3 couldve been them all trying to adjust to them knowing!

-I know, on a meta level the showrunners probably wanted to just reset things to the status quo of him having a secret identity. But. We've been doing that for (2) seasons, I'd love if season 3 could be like, his parents adjusting to this and trying way harder to learn more and accept it (and the shenanigans that could come from that) and for fun, if he didn't wipe the students memories, it could be him being popular for a while, then everyone slowly realizing, oh, he's still Danny. Like. he might have ghost powers but hes Just The Same Guy instead of putting him on a pedestal (and seeing them all try and help him hide it from the giw/people who don't know!!)

-fuck they didn't even explain WHY he wiped everyone except sam, tucker and jazz's memories. he just Did It right when his parents were saying they loved/accepted him!! and sam and tucker didnt question it at all!!! HELLO??? very annoyed about this turn of events.

-anyway. onto season 3! I know its shorter than the first two seasons, and is the last season... I might just do it in 2 bursts if I can... :3c depends on the episodes' content and how much I want to say about each!

#sanchoyorambles #danny phantom #dp thoughts

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jaskier as a standup comedian. hear me out

i considered having geralt be an audience member who he gets to laugh, front row, yen made him go with her, doesn’t laugh at the whole set until jaskier picks yen for the audience part, says something and geralt just looses it. so of course jaskier seeks him out after the set by going to the bar and just plain hoping and they do go home together and it’s fantastic

but also consider, geralt is some professional something or other, maybe an actor who only does scary/professional roles and sometimes gets a bad rap because he doesn’t always get on well with other actors (he doesn’t agree with business practices of treating crew members poorly, offers to help crew set stuff up, helps out when animals are on set that kind of thing but also like, if his coworker or producer or director is sexist he will e n d y o u so some actors don’t like him because he protects women cast mates and just generally isn’t a prick) and also doesn’t interview well. he’s gruff and doesn’t actually like the limelight but his agent (and exwife) yen talked him into it and it’s a good paycheck for their daughter and sometimes he does like the movies he works on (after all, he did some work with these guys eskel lambert and vesemir and they ended up being like brothers and a father who taught him stuff about the business) anyway i digress. geralt is a stonefaced actor who is always cast as an assassin or something or a hunter or a butcher and he doesn’t always appreciate that

so jaskier is a comedian and geralt doesn’t care if jaskier tells jokes about him (and yes some of his comedy is musical/he writes songs on the side) but similar to john mulaney, none of jaskiers jokes about geralt are mean. like, none of them are even a little bit like toeing the line. geralt makes a point not to watch jaskiers comedy because he really doesn’t want to know what his boyfriend/fiancé says about him onstage even if it’s an act so geralt doesn’t realize that audience think he is the sweetest and kindest person ever while jaskier is just a f e r a l c h a o t i c d u m b a s s and geralt must be a saint for putting up with him. and sometimes jaskier cries on stage while talking about geralt adopting roach after a shoot and how sweet he is but like the point of the story was that he accidentally set the barn on fire so audiences are astounded that the man is even alive by the end of the shows.

but so geralt is doing press for a movie and it’s no secret that he and jaskier are dating, tho it might not be public knowledge they’re engaged and a late night host brings up jaskiers stand-up and geralt says something about how he too would make fun of himself on stage, idk something self deprecating about what he thinks jaskier would complain about (stoic, scary looking, disruptive in bars sticking up for people, easily recognized everywhere because of the hair, temper) and the host shows him a clip of jaskiers recent tour where he’s standing on stage saying stuff like “yes i’m aware they cast him as a murderer” or something “but once you see him braid ciri (also actress but out of the business because of legal battle with producer who tried something when she was a child actress and has a restraining order against not geralt but yen)‘s hair while humming the golden girls intro you just don’t see it anymore. like it’s impossible for him to scare me because i know his secret, he eats cereal out of the box just like the rest of us and sometimes he lets me have the toy except for the one time i-“ and sure geralt has maybe noticed some people like hosts and coworkers being nicer to him and fans approached him a little more now but he hadn’t realized jaskier didn’t make him the butt of the joke. so he says as much, gruffly but endearing to the audience that he only saw stuff from before they were together because he wouldn’t begrudge him needing an audience to vent to, or something. and so the interviewer keeps asking him about jaskier and geralt just goes all soft on tv.

and of course jaskier watches all of his interviews and when he sees that one he tears up because he didn’t realize geralt thought he made fun of him on stage. he heard his voice sometimes on the tv or geralts phone but he hadn’t put together it was only his older comedy and jaskier breaks a little when he talks to geralt about it. jaskier asks why he would agree to a partner who he thought made fun of him in front of thousands of people and geralt says he never did it to his face, or seemed unhappy so what’s the problem?

and to fix that jaskier writes a new set that is scathing about hollywood. he makes jokes about actors and actresses who were mean to geralt or producers and directors who asked him to do things he didn’t want to or take advantage of actresses. netflix approaches him to film the special and he writes an intro song about geralt that leads into it and jaskier rants about men in bars that geralt stand up to even if the women he helps don’t appreciate it because they’re drunk and scared of him. or when they get called f*gs in target grocery shopping and other awful things and jaskier is just feral and angry on stage and it’s absolutely ruthless comedy. he kills it.

so when it comes time to do press for the show, he fires his agent and gets geralt to do press with him. and almost immediately people like geralt. seeing someone so bestotted and amused where he had only ever been cast as cold and angry gave him an overnight following. jaskier made him approachable, or at least showed others he had always been safe to approach. and so with chaotic feral jaskier snapping witty remarks back and forth with talk show hosts geralt would sit with a slight smile, a bark of laughter and occasionally a sardonic or sarcastic line that would earn him a blinding smile from jaskier and audiences went wild for it. and geralt just sits there and appreciates this man who singlehandedly turned his career around and went after hollywood for him.

so maybe geralt gets cast in kinder roles and maybe jaskier posts little things on his instagram of geralt crying while watching the movie spirit or drunkenly telling roach he loves her. and when they get engaged or people accidentally find out they’re engaged jaskier couldn’t be happier because the whole damn world knows geralt is his and it doesn’t matter if he tanks a comedy career because he would burn hollywood to ash for this man.

anyway thank you for coming to my TEDtalk if someone wants to write this tag me!

#geraskier #geralt x jaskier #jaskier #geralt of rivia #the witcher #yennifer #cirilla of cintra #comedian!jaskier #actor!geralt

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facepalming-since-chernobyl · 3 years

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answers to your questions - from lawyer anon

Buuuuuuuuuuut, lawyer anon, let me harass you ;3 Can you tell me if the crap some idiots say online would be enough for actors to sue them? Esoepcially when they “joke” about physical violence but when they use for example gross nicknames, not names, so we as a fandom know what they mean but it’s not said directly? Or when they are from different countries that USA?

I'm going to have to do a submission to answer: I went to law school in the US and got my degree, however, I am a lawyer but not attorney (yes, they're used interchangeably but an attorney is someone who is qualified to practice in court). I say this just to make clear that I've never actually worked as a lawyer or attorney - I have a related career - so I know some answers to what you ask but will have to give educated guesses on some other things you're asking.

1. the crap they said online

Yes and no. It depends on what they've said, largely. In terms of the death threats, believe it or not, while it's enough for the actors to get law enforcement involved (police), I've read at least one law review article saying death threats are not actionable because they fall under free speech (yes, really). Now I will say law reviews are NOT actual law - they are nothing but commentary on legal topics written by law school professors, students, etc. So there's that. I haven't done legal research to know whether there's actual law (cases, statues, etc.) on whether death threats can constitute violation of criminal laws though they can fall under certain civil law violations if the person targeted has suffered enough physically, emotionally, monetarily, etc.. A lot of "internet" law is still developing especially in the advent of social media and without landmark case rulings, it's really not easy to give definite answers. That is why I believe in the case of threatening violence or death toward the cast, really, the best action for them to take would be to get law enforcement involved - personal security, police, perhaps FBI or other special agencies. Because lawyers really can't do much in this arena yet. I mentioned Sam Heughan who apparently got death threats and I believe he did reach out to lawyers but I'm sure he must've gotten the police involved, too. It just makes the most sense.

In terms of the name-calling, again, it depends. Obviously, if they're calling them things like "homophobic", "abuser", things like that, criminal law violation aside, that is LIBEL, plain and simple. It is the spreading of written false and malicious rumors (lies) and hell yes, that is most definitely actionable under tort law. As are the gross rumors that Chris is stealing from IDM, not really married to Melissa (meltie is a couple), melwood's marriage is fake, H is really meltie's child, melwood is divorcing, anything of the sort that is a blatant and false lie, period. This all extends to the rest of the cast, by the way, spreading vicious lies like Jeremy is homophobic or the writers are. They are all bold-faced lies and there is verifying FACT and PROOF that they are lies and they are spread with the vile, vicious intentions to get people to torment and hate on Chris, melwood, Jeremy, etc. It is all actionable under tort law (the law of civil wrongs).

2. nicknames, jurisdiction, etc.

Truthfully I'm not clear on what nicknames you mean when you say names they use but we all know what they mean. See my answer above, maybe that'll help, or please clarify. As to them being from other countries (outside of US presumably where the cast is from?), again it depends. In terms of threats of violence and death, being outside the country wouldn't protect someone from complete liability is my guess. There are international police organizations that exist that deal with this very sort of thing where more than one country is involved, Interpol for instance. As to the internet threats, I'm guessing this isn't going to protect someone either if the abuse/harassment/etc. is bad enough. I know for a fact most all of the OL cast is from UK, filming is UK-based, yet many of their harassers are from American, Canada, maybe some other countries outside the UK. But these people have broken multiple serious laws include cyberstalking, in person stalking/physical stalking, blackmailing, fraud, etc. so if it's serious enough, just because it's the internet you're using or you're in other country presumably wouldn't protect you completely. But this one of the greyer areas and I'm not that familiar with this outside of what I've seen/heard reported in the OL fandom. And again, what the police can do to stop them or bring them to justice can vastly differ from what lawyers can do, that is, it may be something that can get them reported to law enforcement but not necessarily something that can get them sued. (Just like the libel thing - this is something you use the courts as your forum but you wouldn't report this to the police because the police don't have jurisdiction in this venue).

Hope this all makes sense - sort of anyway. Let me know if you have more questions and I'll do my best.

I will say though Iike I've said before - everyone has their limit as to how much they will tolerate. EVERYONE. I know melwood largely just wants to be done and live their lives in peace and is muting or maybe blocking but I would hope, I would HOPE, if H is really threatened, they're not just going to sit idly by and take it and like the OL cast, they will finally take action. Here's hoping.

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Thank you Anon, soooooo much :D That was super informative and biggest kudos for you for taking your time and explaining it all.

I asked because it seems we have a little different law here in Poland and we understand free speech diferently. I follow an organization that sues people spreading hate speech and saying shit online and a lot of them ends in the courts (usually they have to apologize in media and pay money).

And yeah, hope melwood stays free and safe from the idiots. It's just seriously upseting that some people confuse free speech with simple bullshit that under normal circumstances should have not been said., but is, because it's online. Le sigh.

#anons #my lawyer anon #anti sc fandom #toxicorps #smelties

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'Jupiter's Legacy' Decodes The Superhero Genre Without Subverting It

You'd be forgiven for wondering how Netflix's Jupiter's Legacy compares to other recent entries in the glut of "Wait, what if superheroes ... but, you know, realistic?" content currently หวย บอล เกมส์ คาสิโนออนไลน์

swamping streaming services. (To be fair, this "realistic superheroes" business is something we comics readers have been slogging through for decades; the rest of the culture's just catching up. Welcome, pull up a chair; here's a rag to wipe those supervillain entrails off the seatback before you sit down.)

So here's a cheat sheet. Netflix's Jupiter's Legacy is ...

Less cynical and empty than Amazon's The Boys

Less bright and blood-flecked than Amazon's Invincible

Less weird and imaginative than Netflix's The Umbrella Academy

Less funny and idiosyncratic than HBO Max's Doom Patrol

Less dark and dour than HBO Max's Titans

Less innovative and intriguing than Disney+'s WandaVision

Less dutiful and disappointing than Disney+'s The Falcon and the Winter Soldier

Less thoughtful and substantive than HBO's Watchmen

Less formulaic and procedural than the various CW super-shows (which I include here only out of a sense of completism, not because they're aiming for the same kind of performative faux-realism that drive most of these other series).

It's unfair to make these comparisons, sure. But it's also inevitable, given the crowded landscape of superheroes on TV right now. And in every one of those comparisons, Jupiter's Legacy doesn't necessarily come up short (it's far better than The Boys, especially), but it does come up derivative.

Makes sense: "Derivative" is a word that got slapped on the comics series it's based on, by writer Mark Millar and artist Frank Quitely, which kicked off in 2013. Millar and Quitely would likely prefer the term "homage," of course, and after all, the superhero genre is by nature nostalgic and (too-)deeply self-referential. So the fact that so many story elements, and more than a few images, of Jupiter's Legacy (comics and Netflix series both) echo those found in the 1996 DC Comics mini-series Kingdom Come is something more than coincidental and less than legally actionable.

Showrunner Steven S. DeKnight and his writers' room have carved out only a thin, much more grounded slice of the comic's sprawling multi-generational saga, but they've retained certain elements of family tragedy and Wagnerian recursiveness, wherein the sins of the father get passed to the son. They've also, smartly, retained the multiple-timeline structure of the comic as a whole, though they've pared it down and stretched it out over these eight episodes, clearly hoping for a multi-season pickup.

Readers of the comics will likely grow impatient at how little of the overall saga is dealt with here, but this review is aimed at those coming to the series fresh, who will find more than enough in this season to satisfy — it's a whole story that hints at what's to come without slighting what's happening now.

The now in question switches between two eras. In 1929, immediately before and after the stock market crash, brothers Walter (Ben Daniels) and Sheldon (Josh Duhamel) are the sons of a successful steel magnate. Walter's the diligent numbers guy, Sheldon's the glad-handing optimist. Sheldon's rich, smarmy friend George (Matt Lanter) is going full Gatsby, and muckraking reporter Grace (Leslie Bibb) runs afoul of Walter and Sheldon following a family tragedy.

Sheldon becomes beset by visions that will put him and several other characters on a path to their superhero origin story. Be warned: The series doles this bit out even more slowly than the comic — settle in for seven episodes' worth of Duhamel clutching his head and shouting while trippy images flash by, hinting at his ultimate destiny.

In the present day, Sheldon is the all-powerful hero The Utopian, who is married to Grace, now known as Lady Liberty. Walter is now the telepathic hero Brainwave, and George is ... nowhere to be seen.

The series has fun playing with the disconnect between the two timelines — characters from the 1930s story are either missing, or drastically transformed, in the present day, and while later episodes connect some of the dots, many of the most substantial changes are left to be depicted in future seasons.

The present-day timeline instead focuses on the generational rift between heroes of Sheldon and Grace's generation and those of their children. There's the brooding Brandon (Andrew Horton) who strives to live up to his father's impossible example, and the rebellious Chloe (Elena Kampouris), who rejects a life of noble self-sacrifice and neoprene bodysuits for a hedonistic modeling career.

At issue: Sheldon's refusal to acknowledge that the world has changed, and that the strict superhero code (no killing, no politics, etc.) that he lives by — and forces others to live by — may be obsolete, now that supervillains have escalated from bank robbery to mass slaughter. Younger heroes, including many of Brandon's friends, feel compelled to protect themselves and the world around them through the use of deadly force.

Clearly it's a fraught cultural moment to have fantasy characters who can fly and zap folk with eye-lasers deal with that particular all-too-real real-world issue; several scenes land far differently than they were originally intended.

But unlike other entries in the superhero genre, Jupiter's Legacy is prepared to deal overtly, even explicitly, with something that films like Man of Steel and shows like The Boys too simply and reflexively subvert: The superhero ideal itself.

The notion that an all-powerful being would act with restraint and choose only to lead by example is what separates superheroes from action heroes. Superheroes have codes; that's the contract, the inescapable genre convention, the self-applied restriction that tellers of superhero tales impose upon their characters; navigating those strictures forces storytellers to get creative. Or at least, it should. The minute you do what so many many "gritty, realistic" superhero shows and movies do — dispense with that moral code, or pervert it, or attempt to argue it out of existence by portraying a villain so heinous and a world so fallen that murder is the only option, you're not telling a superhero story anymore. You haven't interrogated or inverted or interpolated the genre, and you certainly haven't deconstructed it. You've abandoned it.

Say this much for Jupiter's Legacy — it's not content to wave the concept of a moral code away, or nihilistically reject it. It instead makes its central theme the need to inspect it, unpack it, and truly and honestly grapple with it.

Which is not to say it doesn't stack the deck by portraying a fallen modern world not worth saving — it does do that, usually through the lens of Sheldon's daughter Chloe, who throws herself into a world of drugs, alcohol, sex and general narcissistic monstrousness. The show attempts to explain her sullen self-destructiveness as a reaction to her father's unrealistic ideals, but in execution, her scenes prove cliche-ridden and bluntly repetitious. It's one of several examples where the show's choice to focus on and pad out one small part of the comic's overall tale results in leaden pacing.

But even though it takes seven full episodes for the characters in the 1930s timeline to get to the (almost literal) fireworks factory of their superhero origin, it's hard to argue that it isn't worth all that extra time, as Duhamel, Bibb, Lanter and especially Daniels have a great time with the period setting. (There are two other actors who get brought into the superhero fold in this timeline, but they 1. aren't allotted nearly enough screentime to really register and 2. represent spoilers.)

The period details of the 1930s timeline (Lanter was made to wear a waistcoat; Daniels' pencil-thin mustache should win its own Hairstyle and Makeup Emmy), and the brewing conflict between the younger selves of Sheldon and Walter can't help but make those scenes much more intriguing to watch than those set in the modern day.

The ultimate effect is a lot like watching the 2009 film Julie and Julia, in that sense. If you imagine that Julia Child could fly and shoot lasers out of her eye-holes.

And, really, who's to say she couldn't, after all?

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