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TDP rewatch: autistic Soren?
I spent a lot of time going along with everyone else saying that Soren was a big dumbass. And for that, I would now like to apologize. I don’t think Soren’s dumb. I think he’s autistic.
As an autistic person, I feel bad for not spotting this earlier. But, like Soren, I do have a tendency to believe what I’m told, especially when everyone is saying the same thing. And this may not be canon, ever, but that’s okay. I see Soren in a new light now, and I know that light. (Gods, S3 is really gonna wreck me now)
He doesn’t get sarcasm. He takes Rayla’s “obviously” sarcastic comment at face value. He’s also not good with metaphor, taking a long time to grasp “butter them up.” Once he’s figured out what he should do--lie about the king--he does a very bad job of it because the emotions he needs to embrace to sell the lie aren’t familiar to him.
He’s very good with rules. A father who needed a son who was rooted in the narrative of strength could easily have trained an autistic child to bind himself within those rules form a young age. It’ll be very hard for Soren to question rules that he consciously chose to follow himself.
He doesn’t understand the shifting of loyalties. First he’s a loyal Crownguard, and then he’s supposed to detain Callum because his dad asked him to? Soren’s genuinely confused.
He still chooses to protect Callum when the assassins attack, even shoving him to safety from Runaan’s arrow, because those old rules of loyalty to the royal family haven’t been shifted.
He’s also slow to react to the arrow striking him. He takes precious reaction time to study it closely. He’s probably never seen a Moonshadow assassin’s arrow before. It telescopes in three places. It’s green. It probably smells faintly of poison. Soren’s possibly also never been shot before. All these physical details are hitting him at once, all with equal force, and it takes him a moment to sort through them, process them, and remember that the arrow means the assassins have arrived.
He spends time and effort trying to speak others’ languages, but he doesn’t always get it right. He knows Claudia’s nose trick but he can’t perfectly replicate it. He misinterprets Rayla’s angry intent as personal interest. He really tries to connect with his dad by offering his “see-saw” comment (which is actually right on the money as far as the show’s themes are concerned).
He’s oddly focused on the difference between a prince and a “step-prince.” Not in a mean way, though. He thinks it means he’s paying attention to small details, which people often like. Not particularly in this case, though.
He really does just want to fit in. He does whatever Viren says because he wants to be accepted, not just as Viren’s son but as a not-weird, not-useless person.
Claudia’s the one who makes the jokes. He happily lets her lead on the mission to Mount Kaelik and has no ego attached to being in charge of her.
He’s really awkward with his brotherly feels when he calls her “weep-ridden” and offers to help by punching Callum. Autistics can struggle with language, especially in unfamiliar emotional territory and under stress.
He hyperfocuses on being a Crownguard, though, which is why he’s so good at it, and why he’s in charge. He does nothing but train. He loves being a Crownguard. He knows that role inside and out. He knows when to order men into position, and he knows when to shut up and hand the king his sword.
He insists that sweeping the leg is not a thing, though, because it’s outside his training. None of the Crownguard instructors taught him that, and so it is outside the rules.
When he votes that Corvus is a traitor and gets Claudia to vote with him, he’s reinforcing the rules that he learned. The black-and-white shield on his armor isn’t just an indicator that he’s straddling the line between good and evil and will one day have to make a choice. It’s showing the way Soren sees the world: everything is either inside the rules, or outside them. Soren doesn’t see gray areas. But he might learn to very soon.
He’s cheerily cold-blooded about lopping Runaan’s head off and trying to kill Rayla because empathy is a strange animal for autistic folks. Sometimes it’s really high, and sometimes it’s nonexistent, even within the same person. Between a low empathy for elves and his Crownguard training, Soren legitimately doesn’t see any problem with killing them, even at the age of 18.
He knows the rules on how to deal with dragons: you fight them. And he gets a whole town torched. He was entirely unprepared. But his ego wasn’t in this fight. He freed Corvus because he understands that a Crownguard’s job is to protect Katolis, and that includes the townsfolk. And he admitted his mistake to Claudia because filters are hard under stress, and the truth just pops out like that.
When he’s paralyzed, Soren has no ego attached to remaining a Crownguard, either. His hyperfocus has broken. He was growing increasingly stressed by his dad’s secret mission. And he immediately seeks a new hyperfocus: poetry. He gives it a shot, and he’s terrible at it. He hasn’t actually internalized any poetry rules yet. He’d become a good poet pretty quickly, if he had the chance. But Claudia came to heal him instead.
As S2 ends and the siblings head home together, Soren has no plan anymore. He has no rules for what’s gonna happen, and he can’t anticipate Viren’s reaction but he expects it’ll be bad. He asks Claudia for help in understanding what his parameters should be, because that’s a long trip home, and that’s a lot of time spent worrying over scenarios that he has to consider because he can’t narrow it down--every possibility is a legitimate possibility to him.
[unfinished tdp meta]
#soren#autistic soren#tdp meta#can you believe there was a time when we did not See#release the drafts
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Tdp is just full of girl dads. At least Viren gave a fuck about Soren deep down, Aarravos sacrificed the world for Leola (tbh who wouldn’t) but saw sir sparklepuff and said “kill the kid lmao”
#tdp aaravos#the dragon prince#tdp leola#<- my lovely little autistic child#sir sparklepuff#tdp viren#tdp soren
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the funniest thing to me is little pete being thankful he’s left his body bc all his autism is gone (which ???????) only to end up inhabiting caines body and realising there’s just more autism
#autistic!caine my beloved#gone series#the gone series#gone michael grant#michael grant#fayz#the fayz#caine soren#little pete#peter ellison
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✦ OC Questionnaire Tag 3 ✦
Thanks for the tag, @illarian-rambling!
Characters from Sun and Shadow: Freya, Crow, and Valyarus Characters from the Arcane Rifts: Gene, Tazin, and Mislav Featuring tAR's children at ages 15, 17, and 17! (Aka mid book 2.)
Questions: - Do you have a tell when you're lying? - What other media genre would you do the worst in? - Are you confident in yourself? from @the-letterbox-archives
Do you have a tell when you're lying?
Freya: Um... not that I know of? I'm not really in the habit of lying? (*remembers that she does, in fact, lie a lot... but mostly through omission of the truth!*) Haha... yeah! ... ugh, okay, um. If I had to guess... (*shifts uncomfortably in place*) it would probably be that I struggle in what to say? Though I kinda do that anyway? Ugh, I don't really know. (A/N: the easiest sign to tell that she's "lying" is that she avoids the subject completely. She'll change the subject or "get distracted". She also fidgets more, but that's something she does a lot anyways because she's awkward.)
Crow: Of course not! I don't lie anyway, so how would I find out? 😉🥰 (psst... Crow...) What? (You're supposed to basically be under truth serum for these Questionnaire posts...) Okay. And? 😘 (So you're telling me that you, a detective, have never told a lie once?) ... (See the issue there?) Nope! 😄 (A/N: WHELP! Uncooperative Crow understandably won't tell you, so I will. They're a very good liar, so it's hard to tell when they do. The best indicator is that they'll stumble slightly in their speech when almost saying something "they shouldn't" or they'll hesitate while trying to come up with a lie. The falters are always subtle though.)
Valyarus: (*snorts*) I would think not. Besides, I'm not in the habit of lying. There's too much magic that can force you into Truth-telling to be able to rely on it--no, best is operating in half-truths and implication. The best method of deception is allowing the one you wish to deceive to come up with the answers for themself. For example... (*slowly smirks, quirking an eyebrow*) I never said I don't lie just now... did I? (A/N: ahhh, our beloved douchebag faerie living up to his species's reputation. In other words: he's a fantastic "liar".)
Gene: I... don't know. I'd... like to think not. Maybe... maybe that I... (*takes a slow, deep breath, collecting himself*) ... I probably act more confident when I lie. I... I'm not confident. And probably don't... stutter as much. Or hesitate... So, speaking patterns? They--they change, I mean. My speaking patterns. When I lie.
Tazin: (*snarls*) I have no idea what the fuck you're talking about, you got me? I--I-- (*struggling to lie because of the whole "these questions are answered under basically-truth serum" thing*) FINE! I don't fucking lie because I can't, okay? I avoid the subject! Or I just--I don't know, I just fucking lie??? How am I supposed to fucking know if I have a "tell"??? Don't you think I'd fucking fix it if I knew??? (A/N: he gets avoidant of the subject and/or highly aggressive to dissuade the asker from continuing at the moment... or generally asking again.)
Mislav: Um... this is a weird question?... I guess I don't really--(*remembers he lies literally all the time*)--lie... (*lets out a slow, pained sigh, running his hands back through his hair in frustration*) I don't know? I just--try my best to bullshit it? Try to make people feel better, or avoid giving them the information they want? I don't know??? (A/N: best indication is that he answers too quickly. He usually practices/rehearses his lies before it comes time to actually tell them. Otherwise (if he didn't expect to have to lie/doesn't have one prepared), he freezes up, stutters, and smiles/jokes too much as he tries "appeasing" or distracting the questioner.)
What other media genre would you do the worst in?
(we're going to be implanting Forbidden Knowledge of our Real World genres and whatnot for them to be able to best answer this!)
Freya: The horror genre. (*shudders*) I cannot deal with scary stuff, okay? I think I would be the first to die. I'd scream, or cry, and break down--probably try hitting the monster or whatever over the head with a chair when it turns the corner and, well... that never goes well in those sorts of things, does it?
Crow: Fairy tales. I'd either be the "lesson"--"don't do this or look what happens to you! You'll become Crow!"--or I'd be whatever the horrifying monster or villain is. I mean... (*laughs awkwardly, looking away and rubbing their shoulder feathers*) when you're me... you get used to knowing you're what's wrong with the world. (*beat. They realize what they've just said--*) I mean, romance. I'd probably annoy my love interest to death. 😎
Valyarus: (*fake gags, then with disgust:*) Romance. My only "biological" child was through magic, and I would not step foot near anyone with that sort of intention. I don't understand how others do. Much less why my daughter is so interested in Freya. They just met! (note: he's aroace and is equally disgusted with romance and sex. Also, yes, I know that's not how all aroace people are. I have plenty of other characters everywhere else in the spectrum. This is just where Valyarus is.)
Gene: Um... probably romance. I...'m not interested in it... not really. Be-besides with Mislav, I mean... and I... I don't even know why he likes me? 😅😓 ... people think I'm creepy. They don't say it--not to my face--but I know they think it. And I... I struggle to talk with people a lot. I try to say one thing, but they think I mean another?... I don't understand why. It's hard. And I--... I don't think I'd do well in that kind of story.
Tazin: The kinda thing where I'd have to teach. I don't have that kind of fucking patience, are you fucking kidding me? I think I'd explode on them. Maybe even literally. (*He pauses, considering it... and grins darkly*) Actually, wait--I take it back. I want to try. (I want to tag in and say traditional horror/thriller. I think the degree to which he'd freak out or curse out the monster would be comical and/or break the immersion, haha.)
Mislav: I would not be able to participate in a talk show or be in the news. A talk show? (*scoff*) Regardless of the subject, it wouldn't take long for me to be driven mad by their endless talking and pretending they know everything. The news? Even worse. I think I'd snap their mic in half. And only because I'd be struggling not to snap other things. <.< (read: necks, limbs, etc.)
Are you confident in yourself?
Freya: Ha... no, not really. I act like I am, but... y'know, it's just that--an act.
Crow: What's not to be confident about? I'm the greatest, I've never made a mistake in my life, and every decision I make is the best one I possibly can! 😘
Valyarus: (*poised on a grand chair; sipping tea elegantly with one hand while the other hangs over the side of the armrest. A nail file magically hangs in the air and is filing his nails while he sips tea*) Hm? What did you say? Oh. (*chuckles*) Of course I'm confident in myself. My abilities, my character, my decisions--everything. 😉💅
Gene: Depends what you mean by "myself"... (*goes quiet, looks away, and debates*) ... I... I try my best to make the right decisions. The best ones... that I possibly can. I--as hard as it is to not question them, it's--it's not good to worry about past decisions. I do my best, and that's--that's all I can do. So... (*takes a deep breath, collecting his thoughts*) I'm not confident, but I try to be.
Tazin: (*snarls*) Of course I'm confident. I've gotten this far, haven't I? (*and slowly starting to smirk instead--*) I mean, look at me. (*leans back and gestures at himself with both hands*) I used to live on the streets with Gene. Now I have a girlfriend. People used to be terrified at my name--and they still would be if I didn't have to stop with the whole "Svarog" thing. (*oops, snarls again and leans in close; threateningly*) Look, I don't care what anyone else says, but Gene wasn't the only reason we were successful! He wouldn't have gotten anywhere without my strength, got it!?!? (Is actually less confident than he thinks he is--overcompensates for that by having convinced himself that he's the greatest. Hm... wonder if that fits the diagnosis criteria for anything?)
Mislav: Ha... not at all. (*swallows and looks down at his hands, fighting back tears*) I... one of these days, this curse is going to take over me. Will I even know when it does? Or will it be slow enough that I never even recognize that I've changed? I... (*looks back up at asker*) I worry, one of these days, I'll only know it when I've done something I can't come back from...
Your questions: - Same as the ones I answered!
Tagging (with no pressure) @yourpenpaldee @honeybewrites @fantasy-things-and-such @wyked-ao3 @the-golden-comet
@paeliae-occasionally @ath3alin @mysticstarlightduck @the-letterbox-archives + open tags!
Divider from @cafekitsune
#Plot twist: Valyarus is the secret villain of SaS and his ENTIRE motivation is just to get Freya away from his daughter. 🤣🤣🤣#Soren/Daleira brought up the idea of the engagement to him while he wasn't paying attention#so he was just all like “oh yeah sure hun. Whatever would make you happy dear” to Daleira. 🤣#He comes to find out he agreed to an engagement#freaks out and INSTANTLY goes into “how tf do I fix this” mode.#Decides the absolute BEST way to do it is blow up several parts of his own goddamn estate and blame it on Freya#lucky him she's actually brand new to the idea that she has fire magic and doesn't know how to control it so it ACTUALLY worked#man's just sitting over there#stunned#“I really didn't expect this to work out this well...”#for legal reasons this is a joke#I mean for one the attack on Valyarus's place is far from the only one that happens#and I mean the man's sus but why would he frame his own daughter's fiancée after he AGREED to it? She literally crossed a whole ocean.#Would be crazy if that were true though am I right?#Also love me my Mislav angst; poor boy will never escape from it#the feychild tag games#the feychild speaks in tags!#sun and shadow novel#the arcane rifts#freya ula#crow the cursed#valyarus fenastra#gene the amnesiac#tazin the theater kid#mislav the berserker#writeblr tag games#ace characters#aro characters#aroace character#autistic oc
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a VERY low effort comic where I offer Ike happy stimming, as a treat.
yes, I am an "Ike is autistic" truther.
I hope y'all can read my handwriting 😭
I hope this isn't offensive to anyone! if it is, tell me right away! I'm not autistic, I have ADD, so I know a thing or two about being neurodivergent,,
#ike fire emblem#soren fire emblem#autism#autism headcanon#headcanon#fire emblem#I could give a lot of reasons why Ike might be autistic#but I'm too lazy💀 sorry#doodles#comic#neurodivergent#stimming
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Minecraft storymode is so cringefail it becomes babygirl liek. it may have the worst writing I’ve ever seen but gay rep and minecraft mod lore lets gooooo
#also ivor is my autistic scrimblo he just wants to be gay in peace#IM A NINJA JESSE!! kill me id die for him#yes I am watching RTGame’s series again#jack and nurm being boyfriends#Jesse and Lukas being boyfriends#ivor and Soren or Jesse?#petra and Olivia? ALL GAY#telltale stumbled into the best shitty game ever#feel free to send me asks I’m hyperfixations#minecraft#minecraft story mode#birch rambles
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Breaking News, Autistic Boy Watches Netflix's "The Dragon Prince." Locals Left Wondering: Hyperfixation or Special Interest?
Authorities on the subject say it's "too early to tell, but unlikely to overtake Steven Universe." More on this later, I'm Mr. Caudata and this is Autism News™.
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lorenz my darling boy you are so weird and so autistic
#soren plays fire emblem#three hopes run 2#watching his b support with shez and#he is so weird#and autistic . seriously him getting upset bc You’re Not Doing It Right!!!!!!! is very autism of him#lorenz hellman gloucester
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confession: i do believe i am pretty. i do believe i am artistically pleasing and lovable. i do believe i have a nice face and i am androgyn enough and my hair is cool. i believe if i were a character, people would like me and find me reletable. i just dunno i have the deep rooted fear that noone else is thinking that other than me and my loved ones and i feel like i should feel ashamed of myself? i somehow feel like i am a more appriciable person, i am more pure and delicate if i hate myself? i fear that from a secret third person's view, i am ugly and annoying and sososo weird that i make someone vomit when i cross my path with them, and this third person is secretely everywhere and is everyone and i can be exposed to the Public Shaming anytime anywhere, so i must hate myself continuosly as strong as they might or might not hate me too. i guess i just want some realistic charts like humanity considers my looks 6.5/10 and my stims' annoying level 5/10 or some shit like this i just want some honest information i just want to feel safe on the streets i just
#confession#body posititivity#soren's hoard of words#actually autistic#maybe i am just traumatized#or maybe i am just late diagnosed autistic#maybe growing up as a fat short haired girl and right after becoming a fine muscled genderqueer adult is lilbit spicy
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a non-exhaustive list of reasons I think The Dragon Prince is great:
1) good disability representation
2) a unique art style
3) Soren
3a) really good character development and character arcs
4) incredible world building and lore
5) Rayllum
5a) well-written romances were we get to see the couple interact after they become a couple
6) is, on a fundamental level, about how committing horrifying acts of violence for loved ones does not fix things. About how the horrifying acts of violence are still violent and horrible, not matter how much love you did them with. About how hurting people does not help make things better. About how the enemy might deserve death and pain, but them suffering won’t make anything better. That everyone has to chose mercy, because if we all demand justice, there won’t be anybody left
7) has adult characters who are people
8) autistic space elf. autistic space elf who was only on screen for fifteen minutes but who I felt a visceral connection with. me if I was a murdered space elf.
#I will get this show three more seasons or die trying#the dragon prince#the dragon prince mystery of aaravos#disability but I want to search it not put it in the disability tag#disability representation#yoo!!!!! there it is#give us the saga#giveusthesaga#continue the saga#continuethesaga#continue the dragon prince#<- nice tag. lets do it#i stand with animation#nuclear war speaks
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Things i'd like to see in S7:
-sorvus begin canon. This is not a thing I'd like to see. It's something i NEED to happen
-Claudia and Terry have an happy ending (I'm not very optimistic about this... but both deserve it tbh)
-THE INTERACTIONS BETWEEN EZRAN AND RUNAAN. I mean, Ezran would be happy for Rayla obv, BUT HE KILLED HIS FATHER
-Runaan and Ethari reunion
- More flashbacks from Leola! (that little autistic unicorn deserved better btw)
-Rayllum! And how Rayla will absolutely fail to kill Callum and Callum obviously won't put the greater good before Rayla! (I'll cry so much in season 7)
-the mother of Soren
-how the fuck Corvus got that scar. I need to know. Please
#the dragon prince#sorvus#dragon prince#dragon prince season 6#tdp spoilers#tdp callum#continue the saga#corvus#corvus tdp#runaan#ethari#claudia tdp#tdp rayla#rayllum#giveusthesaga
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Autistic Ezran my beloved:
Trouble speaking (particularly growing up)
Safe food (jelly tarts)
Stimming (his happy leg kick he does throughout the seasons)
Tunnel visioning in his own perspective / forgetting that other people need more time to emotionally process certain things
Unintentionally misreading social cues (Corvus, Callum) even for people he knows well
Needing to have a joke explained to him before he finds it funny / not understanding the potential double meaning in his words unlike Soren and Corvus
Sensory (Bait as a comfort animal / scales as a texture)
Shut down under stress (his habit of retreating to be alone upon receiving upsetting news, not picking fights back with his brother)
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me vs realising i never shared the gloriousness that i created by accident in the instagram gone gc known as gravy gremlin (credits to inkskxtch for the name) w my lovely tumblr friends and most of you don’t understand why i keep making caine obsessed w gravy. alas, i shall share this wondrousness w you. this is my legacy.
#this happened back in like september 2022 and i revisit it every few months#it’s the best thing i’ve ever created#this has evolved from caine simply being a freak to him being autistic as fuck and i deeply enjoy this#gravy gremlin you will always be famous#gone series#the gone series#gone michael grant#michael grant#fayz#the fayz#caine soren
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Don't mind me chat, but
Gabriel is autistic.
Soren has ADHD.
Ivor is bipolar.
Magnus is paranoid.
Ellegaard is bipolar.
Not saying it's true, but putting this to my HCs. I'm gonna fight for autistic Gabriel.
#mcsm#minecraft story mode#mcsm gabriel#mcsm ivor#mcsm soren#mcsm magnus#mcsm ellegaard#mcsm complex au#complex mcsm#simpletalks
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I just finished the latest season of The Dragon Prince earlier. Wow! I cried. So good!
The Elder said startouch elves were immortal. Their physical form can be killed, but they can regain flesh and blood bodies when the stars align. So Leola would come back. Aaravos could have been with her in the heavens, (I'm assuming she is the star called Leola's Last Wish. I wonder if the primal stones were her last wish, or something we don't know yet?), and then they could have come back together. I've only viewed it once so far, but I think I have that right.
Viren killed his mentor to save his child, while Aaravos didn't care how many innocents he killed as long as he got vengeance for his child. Whom he could see again anyway. Not that I blame him for being enraged, but the vast number of people his manipulations got killed had nothing to do with it.
Why are the so many mothers dead or missing in TDP? Soren and Claudia's, Leola's, Callum and Ezran's. Perhaps the woman we see briefly with Aaravos when he was crying was Leola's mother? Which makes me wonder if she rejected her daughter because she was autistic.
Great diversity on the show otherwise - trans, queer, disabled, and now neurodivergent. I hope we get to see more Leola next season.
I love series where the creators care as much as the fans do, and reward close watching. From the Sea of the Castout to Leola being the star they use to guide them, to the comparisons of Viren and Aaravos telling the truth or not, and more. I love how it all tied together. :)
ETA: Something I really liked was that Viren and Soren don't reconcile. So often that's seen as the happy ending, but Soren wouldn't be taking care of himself if he did, and Viren realizes that. He burns the letter because he knows it would only make Soren feel worse for multiple reasons.
ETA2: I don't understand why the hell Netflix doesn't promote this show.
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Shoutout to Soren for never missing a beat and immediately starting to explain jokes, not even looking irritated; on behalf of autistic people, thank you king 🙏👑
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