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I finally got why I love so much the "dragons are gone" ending in the books while I hate it in the movies:
The books set the dragons free.
The movies simply sent them away.
That's basically the idea but I had a vision yesterday at 3am so I will be getting into detail below the cut.
The books have a very strong message about slavery. Some would say that it is a concept that is only important within the context of the last five or four books, but the ones that have been paying attention to the saga as a whole knows that there are things happening in the background. You know, stuff like
People eating dragons
People stealing dragons from their families so
The dragons can serve the vikings
And they're expected to obey because
People threaten to turn them into bags.
That's mostly the first book.
Dragons are constantly showed as unsatisfied with the status quo trough out the books, some more annoyed with the vikings than others. We have complete monologues from different dragons before the war is even a possibility. Sincerely, when it happens, it feels natural.
The idea of freeing the dragons is not one that comes up in the last book, not even close. The first time it is considered an option is in book 9 (I think), and, by the time being, we've already stablish lots of concepts as slavery within human beings, the dangers of a war, how this could lead to the end of all and freeing the dragons is the only option.
It is fatalist to say the least, but it's not going out of nowhere. There is a lot of worldbuilding (more on that later), but it is also the right thing to do. By the time Hiccup is presenting the option, Cowell has made us root for the dragons to be free and wild and do whatever they want, even if what they want is to hide under sea for thousands of years. Or if they don't want, or if the want to but just not in that moment, they can do it.
Oh, yes, because they leave GRADUALLY.
It is a sad ending, but still manages to get as satisfactory because, yet again, we know this happens and the books remind us this will happen eventually every time they can. “There were dragons when I was a boy” is literally the first phrase in the saga.
And then we got the movies.
The movies never followed the books. Like, not very much. The writers decided that they wanted to tell a story of a broken relationship between a father and a son while using dragons, the heroic and prophetic aspects of the books were getting on the way of that and they scrapped the idea. So, no, you can't tell me the movies actually follow the books.
However, if you're very technical, you know the Hiccup we see in the movies resembles Hiccup I, the one that stopped the war between vikings and dragons in the books, stablishing an equal relation between the two races. And this idea of the movies being a prequel can work for the second and specially the first movie, disregarding the fact that there are no prophetic or magical elements at all.
But THW exist and... Exist.
Suddenly the writers and producers decide that they want to follow the books and want to get rid of the dragons, something that is completely against the message of the other two movies.
(I am just talking about the movies, the shows-books relationship is very different and I will someday make a post ranting about it)
The movies do NOT talk about the dangers of dragons being with vikings or how the vikings mistreat the dragons or how bad is slavery or anything like that. The second movie does, yes, but the second movie also sends a message about how people benefit of being with dragons. They have their dragons and they're strong because of that friendship. Being at war with one another only brings loss and suffering for both bands while being together promises an actual future. A bright future that no one imagined before the first movie and that now they cling to.
Dragons and vikings are friends and together cand do basically anything.
That's a very strong message, you know?
And you know what? The third movie decided that such a strong and important message about friendship should leave the franchise completely.
“Free the dragons” it's a concept that doesn't fit with the movies. They're not slaved, they're not away from wildness and, most importantly, they CHOOSE to be with the vikings in the first place. They are already equals, they can do what they want and, you know, they are with the vikings because they want to.
But no, let's do a movie about letting friends go as if it could actually fit in the saga.
(I know it could actually fit but the execution was terrible).
As I said before, the movies resembles Hiccup I befriending dragons and we know how it ends. And someone who has never read the books will go and say "well, it was bound to end that way, why are you mad?” I tell you the difference right now: there's 1000 years of difference between the befriending and the parting in the book, 1000 years in wich we witness the deterioration of said friendship (from being friends and equals to being slaves). That's no what happens in the movies. The films give us 6 years and the only deterioration is within Toothless' character and how they made him a horny dog.
The dragons shouldn't have leave. This was a whim from the writers that thought that ending both stories the same way would be cool. It isn't. At all.
Long story short, it doesn't fit thematically. The movies and the books have different themes with different concepts and different characterizations of the dragons. While the books got story building and present the theme's since the beginning, the movies get it out of no where ignoring the themes in previous works.
Anyways, go read the books they're jewels and the ending isn't as shitty as thw make it look
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crownedwille · 2 months
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#some thoughts incoming idk if i should share but i need to put them somewhere#it's hard being in the yr fandom since the finale when you don't share the same vision and opinion as the rest#and people make future wilmon posts or write post s3 fics (which many exist now) they just don't align with your idea at all#and they're not exciting to me at all and the whole concept just makes me upset#i don't wanna imagine Wille as a 'normal' person (not that that's ever possible anyway which the show loves to ignore)#like I'm sorry but i didn't come to the show to watch an ordinary love story and have them lead an ordinary life#the idea of Wille being a future king and them navigating that royal life together is so much more interesting#i hate that that isn't canon anymore and when ppl make posts about them it's not about that or that would only be seen as a negative thing#i don't wanna imagine a life where they are 'normal' that isn't appealing to me at all and it sucks seeing everyone embrace it#and it's like you're not allowed to want something else or think differently bc that makes you the bad person and you're just wrong#i can't be excited about their future (also bc i don't really see them going strong in the future with how they messed them up in s3)#(i also didn't want to know what could possibly happen in the future i wanted that to stay open and just be in the present)#and seeing everyone else excited and happy about it makes you feel horrible and very alone and disconnected in the fandom#i don't wanna take it away from them but i also would love to see other takes but that's basically impossible now#am i the only person who feels this way or are there any other who can relate? pls let me know#i already feel like ppl are gonna attack me for this but it's been hard especially now with Simon's month and seeing so many interpretation#navigating ao3 has also become difficult now#it's hard finding fics to read where wille stays crown prince and you don't have to be scared for that to change#i just can't read any canon compliant fics anymore and i hate it bc i hate to disagree with canon#i normally don't do that bc canon is important to me and i don't want to reject it and create my own fantasy#and that's what's upsetting#anyway sorry i had to write this#personal
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krash-8 · 8 months
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im so sorry rick but the tlt musical is actually the greatest pjo adaptation ever. I said what I said
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pendragora · 4 months
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Our fandom whines about the lack of nuance and critical thinking, but then fails to comprehend the complexity of human emotion when it comes to seeing something you like being ruined or executed poorly
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rowanoftheunknown · 5 months
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one of the worst parts about being a watcher fan rn is that in theory I think having paywalled series isn't that bad and people are being needlessly eat the rich about it, but on a personal level the two series I don't like and don't watch are ghost files and dish granted, and they're the most expensive shows to produce....... Like I'm seeing a potential solution here
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madegeeky · 2 months
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Hannibal (the TV series) seasons in one sentence:
Season 1: The least amount of police procedural you will ever see in a police procedural.
Season 2: Reins are off now, fuckers, let's do some goddamn character work!
Season 3: Wherein the first half is Hannibal writing fanfiction and the second half has completely new main characters.
#geeky talks#geeky talks hannibal#this just popped into my head#this was a very good series but it is a wild fucking ride#various notes about my sentences#season 1's sentence is because the writer of show didn't want to do a police procedural#it is absolutely hilarious to watch with that in mind#because you can watch as he does less and less of it each episode#season 2 is absolutely the best season because he finally got to do what he wanted which was character work#if you don't like character work you're going to fucking *hate* season 2#there's probably a decent chance you won't like the ending of season 1 either#season 3 is fucking wild#it wasn't necessarily bad but it definitely wasn't what i'd call anywhere near the standards of the second season#but geeky what do you mean by hannibal writes fanfiction#listen this is impossible to explain unless you've seen the third season#but i feel like if you've watched the third season you're just nodding your head right now all#yep that sounds about right#the last half of season 3 is honestly pretty disappointing#hannibal and will are just basically not in it#it's such a bizarre choice for a last season of a tv show where the entire show was based around hannibal and will#i can't remember if i read this somewhere or if it's just speculation (which i feel is supported by the season)#but the writer really wanted to do red dragon and just ran out of time#so instead of just shrugging and saying ah well and writing something else#he felt the need to jam the entire book in the second half of season 3#so it's all about the characters from red dragon and will and hannibal are also there sometimes#did really love the actual ending of the show though
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the-yearning-astronaut · 10 months
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i love bakeoff season it's like the olympics for hating
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maryeve-the-bitch · 1 year
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oh so according to one mom on the internet, i would have cute autism because i don't have meltdowns. /sarcasm
autism is a spectrum for a reason.
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criscura · 9 months
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#i wish i could have the self confidence to like..... enjoy oc/ships and self insert and shit like that#even dating sims i have to imagine it's someone else entirely#it's not me being snide i just literally could not imagine anyone interesting enough to have a series made about them choosing me#like i just...... can't stand myself so much that having characters like that show interest in me completely shatters the illusion#and when people i know have read things i make and know intimately why i wrote it like that#i don't like it anymore because they can see me in it so I can't see anything else#i think relationships might even be really hard because i cannot explain the extent to which i fucking HATE#*****HATE*****#all past versions of myself#and the idea that other people have seen them and watched me grow......#just the idea of that of people watching me grow often physically hurts#I'm okay being undone in my own presence#but i think there's a huge part of me that would rather not exist at all if people have to see me half-finished#and you're never finished so like. I'm basically always just opening the door a crack and reaching out.#the idea of a single person knowing everything about me makes me want to#it's so awful i can't conceive it that's miserable that's worse than anything#that's worse than being alone i think#as bad as that hurts i think having one other person know me in and out would be like getting put in DIP from who framed Roger rabbit#if i can't hide i can never ever ever EVER feel safe#man i wish i had even a little bit of self confidence fuck#it's totally gone. there's so much i want to do and then i realize I'm the one who's doing it and i lose interest#i wish i could do anything that I'm fully she completely proud of and not have that be shattered the moment i try to share it#and not have to wait years sometimes to forget the shame and just appreciate the thing.....#i wish i could fully enjoy something without getting hung up on the fact that it was me who made it#and be mortified at the idea that i ever thought it was truly great#gosh this makes no sense I'm just. i haven't had any self esteem for years and it's just not coming back and it's getting to the point#where it's crippling me. like i don't want to go to sleep because i don't want to wake up to start the cycle of disappointing myself again#i try SO FUCKING HARD every single DAY and i always let myself down#and it's been this way for minimum six months but i think closer to a year#i just want to think i can achieve anything anymore
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moonlitfantasyblr · 2 years
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hellooo, what do you mean Gap finishes next week. NEXT WEEK??? with THAT PREVIEW????????? really wish this was done earlier in the show so it could've been better developed...i really enjoyed watching this show but it had sooo much filler scenes that could've been used better
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I was gonna go to bed earlier today (I say that every night...) but then I had a nap when we were at my in-laws' house and then another one just now, so I guess that's not happening
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gen-is-gone · 2 years
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Legit getting so *fucking* annoyed by this fic and its literally insulting level of mischaracterization of so fucking much bc the writer has time to write 150k+ words of fanfic in a month but apparently no time to so much as glance at a wiki for basic plot and character details, let alone read the damn comics, but now I'm 150k+ words committed and I am still genuinely interested to see how it ends but oh my fucking god would you just stick to hob gadling's jaunt thru the centuries and stop writing the Endless if you're gonna fuck up basic shit this badly and also mischaracterize actually important characters so badly that it is, again, literally fucking insulting to the original story??
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randomisedmongoose · 2 years
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This fucking fic, I swear. I got to 60k, felt pretty done, and then I realise these fuckers are going to make me write even more because they can’t handle their own issues. God, go to therapy. This fic is long enough.
... okay fine I’ll write it for you, you fictional bastards. But I’ll take my sweet time with it and you’ll like it.
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sorikaied · 2 years
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honestly i may have more worse blogs that i followed and ended up unfollowing after a point more than worst mutuals throughout the decade i’ve been on hellblr
#monie.txt#i think one of the notable ones was like...#this blog i followed back when rotg had just came out and i was more 'active' in the fandom and wanted some jack/toothiana content#this one blog seemed really cool abt that and ofc there was how impassioned the fandom was abt rotg getting recognition#they were also an lok fan which was cool at first...#until realizing they were really anti korra / anti mako / anti makorra#one of the more annoying 'cloudbabies' / kataang stan#literally just... found every reason to hate on lok but still watched it#grossly shipped korra amon and tarrlok#which i don't mind hero/villain ships but korra was like...17 in the first season#them shipping that had a lot of yikes undertones of like 'korra is not like aang and she needs to be punished / reprimanded'#basically the blatant issue of anti korra / anti lokers who were blatantly colorist against a character like korra#OH and they were one of those annoying asami stans who wanted the show to be abt asami#and again it is the blatant colorism of wanting the more feminine pale lead over a strong brown character#tho it was funny / sad abt how they actually didn't care for korra and asami being endgame#because they felt like asami deserved better than korra and like#despite my gripes abt the handling of their relationship and korra throughout later seasons#i would never say asami deserved better than korra#also by the time of the finale i wasn't following them but i saw their post in a tag i was lurking through cause yknow#wanted to find those juicy takes#again i'm sure there's more but that one always stood out to me... probs because of how defensive i am of korra
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doctordonovan · 2 years
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Maeve was the only female doctor at Mendel University.
What was it like for her? 
She once spoke about the awkwardness of being the only woman in the department. When men are jealous of your success in the lab, they want it for themselves. But women want it so you can't have it. Sometimes this institution turns us against each other.
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 we all know what I’m rewatching.  yet I’m once again thinking about how lonely Maeve’s life sounds? she’s this young, brilliant woman, who is always surrounded by jealous older men,  whose only times around female scientists had them turned against her by it’s innate sexism.
 she doesn’t want to compete.  her character is a genius,  completely on another level  -  as one of her colleagues says
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Quite frankly, she made connections before I could even see them.
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bobby was,  to quote her parents,  “bobby was her first serious relationship. It was only till after they got engaged that she realized that...” “he was a controlling bastard.”  and honestly no wonder she was exactly what a controlling narcissist would want?  
brilliant yet so isolated,  beautiful and observant but still someone doesn’t know how to be what people want.  hell she probably never would have said yes to his proposal if he hadn’t cornered her into it by making it her hell a very public situation.
maeve has so much light,  so much gentleness,  and it never stops shining.  but she’s also been alone basically all of her life    &&    sometimes she forgets that not realising she matters to people hurts them.
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in every verse,  maeve struggles with her identity.   sometimes because of the stalking  -  always related to bobby’s emotional abuse  -  and always to do with just...  outside of her intelligence,  she doesn’t know how to matter to people.  if she can’t help them,  if she can’t add value to a situation...  why on earth would they want her around?
being just her has never been enough,  and being the best has often made her the enemy.
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