#bsd theories

[nonbinary-akutagawa]

Ok so if fyodor's ability allows him to body snatch then if someone is being possessed by him and Dazai uses his special ability and touches them in time then what would happen to fyodor? Bcs if there's a body with an ability in it (ie fyodor using his ability to possess it) and Dazai touches that body than what would happen to fyodor????!!!?

[sorcerersandskillusers]

*SPOILER WARNING CHAPTER 112*

Something is really off about Fyodor's death in the manga

Having just read the latest chapter, I noticed something really weird with Fyodor death scene. It all comes down to Dazai's reaction.

Before Fyodor "death" we see Dazai being all smug and gloating about what Fyodor missed, very typical of his character in general.

But then his mood suddenly shifts completely

He suddenly becomes very sombre, no triumph or gloating, this could be him regretting having to kill Fyodor, but the next few panels make me think there's more too it then that.

Look at Dazai's expression here, the way he seems so suspicious of the hand

I don't think we've ever seen Dazai's eyes like this, they are blank white, it's almost like his mafia eyes but colour inverted. This is not the face of someone who just beat their greatest enemy, or someone mourning their loss, It looks like Dazai is unsatisfied, I can't quite describe it, but there is something more in those eyes.

After Fyodors death Dazai is uncharacteristically quiet and Chuuya even points it out, again, nothing about this says "we won!" it feels like we still lost somehow.

So why would Dazai not want Fyodor dead? While it could be because he was sad to lose the only person who thought like him, while that's possible, I want to explore another idea.

Death did not stop Fyodor.

Dazai could have killed Fyodor when he had him cornered in the cafe if he wanted to, or have someone else kill him so he doesn't break his promise to Oda.

But he didn't, he let Ango arrest him instead, even though Dazai knew what a threat he was, why?

It all comes down to this.

The only way Dazai can counter Dostoyevsky is when he's right there in front of him. So now he's dead, Dazai can't read his actions any more. It's like he's fighting a ghost, all the plans Fyodor will have laid in case he died will be 10x harder to uncover and stop since it's much harder to fight an invisible enemy.

Remember that Dazai did not order the piolet to kill Fyodor, Bram did, and Dazai admitted to not having any say in that deal

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I don't have any final point here, I just wanted to vent these thoughts. Does Fyodor quoting jesus on the cross mean he's going to come back in three days? What's going on with Sigma? I have way more questions than answers and it's driving me nuts

[lazyflower48]

So I just saw something really interesting. We know that the next episode is titled "Twilight Goodbye"

Well, in Nakahara Chuuya's "Poems of the Goat" there are two poems called "The Terrible Twilight" and "The Twilight of This Spring Day"

Another thing to note is that Dazai Osamu's very last work was called "Goodbye" which was left unfinished because of his death

One thing that's also on my mind is what Kisho Taniyama (Chuuya's VA) said in an interview regarding s5:

"If you watch this fifth season all the way to the end, i think you will be able to feel more of the depth of the relationship that Dazai and Chuuya have established."

Emphasis on "all the way to the end"

I'm not too sure as to what to make of this honestly cause my mind is a mess after this episode

[somerandompairofsocks]

I love how Chuuya subtly tries to make Dazai not worry anymore. While also being a little worried that Dazai is still overthinking, cause he knows it is bad for him.

[wonx2]

Meaning behind Dazais bandages

Ok so I've noticed something in the anime that could potentially give a clue about the meaning of Dazai's bandages or at least he wore those over his eye during his days with mafia so bear with me.

In prison arc of the anime there have been moments when Dazai was mad/suprised and consequentially reverted back to his way of thinking when he was a member of Port Mafia: using and manipulating people, employing similar tactics to Fyodor.

And in all these moments there was something else that could be observed: his hair concealing one of his eyes, almost like it was used as a makeshift bandage.

Second thing I'd like to point out is in the finale when Dazai shows his plan was based on trust in other people and how he didn't control them or use them. His eyes specifically are in the clear view here, with his hair blown out of his face.

In this scene in particular he even holds the hair out of his eyes.

It reminded me of when he first started "living for others" back in season 2 when he first listened to an advice of someone else and received help from another person, moment where his world view changed forever.

So this is where the actual theory starts, I believe his bandages never had an actual use because in the scene above we can see his eye is healthy, but that they were always meant to showcase how much of the world he saw/was able to see. In all the moments he had something obstructing his vision he could see an incomplete version of the world and relationships: only way he knew how to interact with people was to use them and to manipulate them into furthering his own goals. But once that "obstruction" was gone he could actually see those subordinates looked like allies and people he could trust. So they weren't put on him by his own hand but by Asagiri as a way to show us how Dazai thought about people and relationships and how he was blind to the proper way of handling them.

I'd like to touch on Beast Dazai as well: I think he wore the bandages because he himself decided to limit his world view and how he perceives people around him- choosing to always make them his tools instead of allies. Even though he knows he can trust other people from the knowledge of canon Dazai he received from the book, he never had his own Oda to take off his bandages and show him how to live for others like canon Dazai had. The best he can do is to die for someone else.

In conclusion: All bandages ever were was a symbol of his limited world view, how he could only see people as tools, as things he can only control and manipulate but never receive help from or trust in them. When Oda took them off and made him live for others Dazai himself started trusting more and in the end got to where he is now: blindly believing that someone else would solve a problem he couldn't alone without any of his input. And having something he never could when he didnt see clearly: allies.

[definetelynotavampire]

Okay hear me out, what if Sigma actually just looked like 2 weeks into the past?

Idk dressing up as a monk while being chained to a dungeon wall seems like the kinda stuff Fyodor would be into.

[iamthemess]

I touched a little on Dazai in the first post so I'm gonna add some more examples to that.

Mafia Dazai, black coat worn over the shoulders. He is a member of the mafia, but eventually, he leaves. Unlike other characters, he is not tied down to the mafia and does not see himself as purely mafia. Even if his blood is "port mafia black." His loyalties sway, he might be mafia, but he is not loyal to Mori.

When Dazai is with Oda, he doesn't have a coat. With Oda, he isn't a port mafia members, he's just a kid. He's not a demon prodigy or a monster, he's just Dazai. He doesn't need a coat because there is no side, it's just him.

When Dazai joins the ADA and becomes a "Good person" he chooses to wear a light coat. Similar and somewhat resembling Odasaku as Oda was seen as "a good man." He wears his coat properly because he is committed to his loyalty to the ADA unlike his relationship with mori and the pm.

Dead apple Dazai. The colour might be white here but it does not fit the white as a "Good guy" colour thing. It's more being used as a colour to signify that they are a group. Much like the decay of angles who are "bad guys," but their main common colour is all white.

Once again, Dazai has sleeves and refuses to use them. We know that he was only playing them from the start. He is not loyal to this group.

Anyways that's all off Dazai with his coat.

His jail outfit is a whole different thing because for starters it's a uniform for the prison so it can't really follow the same guidelines for coat theory.

[dazaistabletop]

I wonder if Crime is the evil Fyodor and Punishment is the terrified Fyodor

Crime Punishment

[kingg-of-avidya]

guys order of the clock tower arc is going to be wild you know

agatha christie, charles dickens, JANE AUSTEN guys i hope we get to see pride and prejudice as an ability

maybe they can even sneak oscar wilde in (i know that he's from ireland but come on) he would be such a sass king god he would rival dazai on that one

i want sheakespeare to be there too and please god let asagiri make him speak that way

you know, like "whomst could haveth seenth this come forth, that blessid ben thei that suffren persecusioun for riytfulnesse, for the kingdam of heuenes is herne" or something like that and then everyone just stares at him while he confidently holds his head high like he made a genius point and then agatha just sighs and translates and turns out he just said something like "what are we having for dinner"

but during a crisis or an important scene he suddenly speaks perfect modern english, zero goofiness, which makes it at least 50x more impactful

make it happennnn

[hamliet]

Fyodor Will Be Fine

Back to writin' this. Assuming that the anime is following hte manga's path (likely), Fyodor's gonna be fine y'all. Eventually.

I mean, first and most obviously, we still don't know Fyodor's ability. That's kinda important lol and set up as a major mystery.

Fyodor as Jesus

Fyodor's last words are "My God, My God, why have you forsaken me?" aka Jesus' last words (or among his last words). I mean, think about what happens after Jesus dies. It's kinda the whole basis of Christianity.

But there's another layer to the whole Fyodor=Jesus thing. Actually, a couple layers. See, Dostoyevsky was himself very Christian, as much theologian as novelist. So the comparison very much makes sense.

Jesus is the Son of God in Christianity... and Fyodor? He's also the son of God.

God is a Character

This God figure Fyodor references is probably an actual person, and God is probably Tolstoy. I'm sorry but there is 0 chance we are getting Dostoyevsky and a whole host of Russian novelists but not Tolstoy who could have "War and Peace" as his ability. Not to mention... the set up is kinda perfect?

Tolstoy's three novels are War and Peace, Anna Karenina, and... Resurrection. Gee I wonder what his ability might be and how that ties into Fyodor (it's also surely not unheard of for Asagiri to use multiple literary references in an ability).

What is Tolstoy's relationship with Fyodor? Probably a parent-child one. I'd say it's extremely obvious, actually, that parent/child relationships are a main theme of this arc, even if the parental-child relationships are not actual flesh and blood.

Gogol-Fyodor parallel Chuuya-Dazai, Kunikida-Dazai, Tecchou-Jouno, and Atsushi-Akutagawa. All of these pairings also have parental figures (Mori, Fukuzawa, Fukichi, Dazai) except Gogol-Fyodor, who are themselves parental figures to Sigma. I highly doubt Fyogol is the exception, though.

If there is no god, then I am god

Anyways if Tolstoy is introduced, it would kinda be perfect to have him thematically in this role of family. Because the real life Tolstoy was actually terrible to his family despite his altruistic, idealistic pacifism that directly influenced Gandhi (with whom he corresponded). And also because he wrote one of the most famous opening lines in all of literature which would kinda sorta address all the pseudo-parental relationships in the entire story:

Happy families are all alike; every unhappy family is unhappy in its own way

It fits super perfectly.

[awoogayanderes]

okay guys HEAR ME OUT.

so in these two panels we see sigma touching fyodor, to gain information from him

and i’m almost positive that sigma isn’t actually dead, he just fainted from the amount of knowledge he got, like atsushi did

okay now hear me out, WHAT IF sigma was seeing what fyodor’s actual plan was, for chuuya to kill dazai BUT IT HASN’T ACTUALLY HAPPENED YET.

it’s very far fetched but i feel like it’s something asagiri would do and i’m trying to cling to the hope that sigma and dazai aren’t actually dead

IM HOPING ASAGIRI DIDN’T ACTUALLY HAVE THE BALLS TO KILL TWO FAN FAVORITE CHARACTERS.

then again, he also said he “loved” sigma, he also “loved” oda AND THAT MF IS DEAD NOW

[irritablepoe]

hey. hi. sorry to barge in here like that. uhm. how do i say that? doesn't this look like a certain someone? and the dialogue? and the religious symbolism? and the wound? yk, just asking :)

there surely is a theory for this already right? right??

[sorcerersandskillusers]

MAJOR SPOILERS FOR BUNGOU STRAY DOGS CHAPTER 114!

GUYS IF FYODOR CAN POSSES A PERSON WHO TOUCHES HIS BLOOD AFTER HE DIES, WHOS CURRENT HOLDING HIS BLOODSOAKED SEVERED HAND

Fyodor promised to come after Gogol for trying to kill him and having the character who imbodies manipulation overwrite the free will of the character who above all else wants to break free of all control would be such a cruel and interesting twist, its so in in character for Fyodor to make Gogol care about him so strongly then destroy the greatest wish of Gogols heart

[lazyflower48]

I'm getting quite impatient waiting for the next episode, so I'm just going to list all the possible s5 endings that I can think of along with the popular ones that I've come across

▪︎ The good ending AKA the delusional ending

Verlaine, Natsume, Yosano, H.G. Wells or someone- ANYONE shows up to save the day and then everything gets resolved and returns to normal. And so everyone lives happily ever after

▪︎ The sad but hopeful ending

Aya's ability is revealed, Bram's backstory followed by his death, which results in the vampirism being nullified. The DoA loses. Fukuchi dies/gets caught. Dazai has a plan. He and Chuuya take down Fyodor together in true Soukoku fashion. Fyodor dies/gets caught.

▪︎ The fake out ending

Dazai dies, Fukuzawa dies, basically anyone who is on the verge of death of death, dies BUT someone finds the book or the page (someone from ADA? Atsushi?) and brings them all back.

▪︎ The bad (sad) ending

Fukuzawa dies and everything falls apart. Atsushi loses control of his ability. It's the end of ADA (Goodbye Twilight theory- The ADA oversees the twilight so it's a goodbye to the agency)

▪︎ The doomed bungover ending

The whole world ends, and everyone just freaking dies. *55 minutes flashback intensifies*

▪︎ The Ranpo ending

Ranpo has a plan beyond the whole "trapping Fukuchi in Poe's novel" thing (in Ranpo we trust)

▪︎ The best ending

It's a rightfully deserved beach episode! (The past 2 seasons were not real. All the characters are alive and well, being silly as usual)

If Asagiri is involved in the making of the next episode (which he most likely is), then knowing him, he's probably gonna defy our expectations and write the most unpredictable ending for this season

[silawastaken]

bsd 114 theory//

Remember the split personality thing??? Remember??? REMEMBER??? AND EVERYONE WAS LIKE 'WOW IT WAS A GIMMICK BUT ALSO I THINK THAT WAS KINDA REAL'???

and the face of fyodors body changed??? like it was definitely him in that crash. what if fyodor just finds ability users with memory reading abilities and transfers his memories/consciousness between bodies somehow so when/if he dies he has an alternate body to go back to

When he inhabits a body they may take on some of Fyodor's original features, or if he leaves the body, aging may revert or scars may reappear, that kind of thing.

him having the same body in the 1300s flashback could be accounted for by only remembering how the body he currently inhabits looks in his memories

and the help me note and personality switch could be accounted for by the original bodies host trying to break through

another potential explanation for him looking the same is that aging stops/slows if he's in that body so the only way for him to die is if he's killed, and nobody aside from Dazai has been capable of killing him before.

it also explains a little more as to why he went to such lengths to ensure he had sigma when he could have found another way to get the location of the page. He didn't NEED sigma, sigma was always more of a liability(sorry sigma i love you i swear) but he knew of sigmas ability, and then he had a memory reader ability user close to him and easily manipulatable that he could transfer his memories/consciousness to in order to stay alive

Also after looking at the leaks my sigma isn't dead because information overload theory I came up with months ago was correct 😋 yippee i feel accomplished and justified in reaching so hard with this one

anyway :3(im shaking i'm terrified)

[pricel0ss]

A thought,

Would it truly be far fetched? Would it be wishful thinking? Would I be reaching if I said; BEAST!Chuuya is in the Port Mafia only because the original Chuuya will eventually leave it?

This is too early for me to be rambling but I just thought about it. All of the characters in the BEAST!Universe went through some sort of change compared to the Original!Universe. All, except for Chuuya.

He has been a dormant character ever since the 16 light novel, actually. His ideals haven't gone through any major developments since the incident with Verlaine and I doubt Asagiri plans to keep it this way.

Also, whoever says he's loyal to the Port Mafia is missing the point. Because he's anything but that. He would leave if he could. Even Mori knows that, it's precisely why he keeps him close as a right hand man.

Just think about it:

Ever since he joined the Port Mafia after Dazai forced him to, he had shown clear signs of wanting to leave. Only seeking the fastest way to aquire the position of executive, getting his hands on the Arahabaki files and leaving. Even Mori knew that, seeing as he sent the flags to recruit him and keep their eyes on him in the hopes he'd want to stay on his own.

He never felt betrayed over Dazai leaving the Port Mafia. He never regards the matter with any sense of sadness or betrayal, even in his most honest state (drunk), he only shows frustration over Dazai ignoring his calls and blowing up his car before he left, only being bitter about how he himself couldn't leave (yet)

Chuuya isn't as dumb as the fandom paints him sometimes. He'd know better than anyone (yes, even Oda) just how much the mafia ruined Dazai, considering he was the only one to witness the differences Dazai went through after officially joining. (Aside from Mori)

He had shown clear sighs of wanting Murase to actually 'save' him and show him the light. With the way Murase's death parallels Oda's death, do you truly believe that Chuuya would be the one to do nothing whilst Dazai is the one actually affected after such an event?

That, or I'm thinking too much.