thematically daisuke is still so funny goawjjajaljk hey u guys wanna see my king of hell? my anime lucifer/satan? u guys wanna see the wretched and morally corrupt face of a damned sinner? u wanna see the face of someone bearing The Curse? well THAT boy
is also a clumsy middleschool loser,
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I think fans want Jason to be a good person or be becoming one. To have a character that is well meaning and compassionate but decided murder is ok and to stand against main heroes who’s beliefs and actions go against the people he cares about and wants in his life. It’s confusing for people. People want their fav characters to be happy. But Jason can’t have his family’s support and follow his moral code. He’s cares about people and Gotham, and he’s an asshole who kills. It’s messy. It’s not black and white. I don’t even think Jason cares about being a good person or in the right anymore. I think he cares about what will save the most people instead.
Oh my goodness gracious I’ve been bamboozled
Batman’s definition of Good is not synonymous with absolute good/right no matter how much dc insists it is. Torture, battery/assault, surveillance, those are all condemnable actions too. I won’t get into the exhausting and frankly dumb debate of comic book morality wrt killing because I’ve already reblogged plenty of posts from other people who explained my thoughts on the matter far better than I ever have the patience to sit down and articulate. I also just think the notion that there’s something to be done about fictional characters who kill nazis and senseless murderers is stupid. Jason’s point is that the “main” heroes’ sanitized definition of right has its unaddressed holes and flaws which ultimately result in more preventable fatalities, and that he’ll work to correct those missing spots.
He doesn’t not care about doing what’s right. What he doesn’t care about (at least during his Winick characterization) is whether Batman thinks he’s right or wrong, because he sees the flaws in Batman’s methodology (and since he has a mind of his own). Batman’s methods alone cannot address Arkham’s revolving door and the rogues that come and go through those doors who have no intention (or capability from the doylist pov) of ever changing or undergoing redemption. Jason knows that he’s minimizing the number of preventable deaths by killing his targets, typically Characters Who Simply Do Fucked Up Shit Just Because, Why The Fuck Not?
Secondly, Jason is compassionate … to a fault. That was his fatal flaw. If he wasn’t so hell-bent on saving his potential birth mother he just met from that bomb despite everything she did to him prior, he could have protected himself instead, however slim his odds of survival were. What about his relationship with his other parents? He was a caregiver during his early childhood years for Catherine, until her death. Even mature adults who are financially stable find being a caregiver to a dying parent to be extremely burdensome on their bodies and minds, but he never complained about it or resented Catherine for being unable to care for him. Despite how none of his parents have really been what he needed them to be, he doesn’t blame them for their failings, and even continues to think highly of them (Bruce included).
And post-death? Enter Lost Days. Despite being dead set on plotting his revenge on Bruce, he constantly sidelines this in order to save other victims who are helpless like he once was. His own anger, trauma, and mission don’t remain his priority. (Sound familiar? Something something my own trauma above my son’s, mission above all else, etc.). Why would he waste precious time and risk his own life to do this if he wasn’t empathetic towards these victims or didn’t care about doing the right thing. He is simultaneously horribly traumatized and full of rage, and also incapable of ignoring what’s happening to victims around him (even as he claims that it’s indeed not his priority). And in that same vein, the entire premise of his rebirth outlaws run was that he doesn’t care if the public views him as a villain, an outlaw, so long as he can protect Gotham. And anyway where is this portrayal of him not caring about being in the right anymore. Almost every modern Jason story is about him grappling with where he stands with Bruce/Batman. During the early 2000s was probably the last time he did not care (hello, tentatodd??).
Jason has very evidently been portrayed as a kind and compassionate character. He is also simultaneously a calculated killer who doesn’t hesitate to kill when he deems necessary, and does so without remorse. It’s called being a Complex Character With An Edge™ that as you said, people so often claim to love. However when he fulfills that latter part, that seems to upset people because “killing bad”, and they then try to shave off and round out all his edges and claim he shouldn’t be that angry. In that case I guess you should just stick to liking traditional one-dimensional characters instead of claiming to like Jason but then encouraging his character assassination attempt by dc. Lol.
Lastly, who said anything about the batfam making Jason happy? Just because he’s written nowadays to want acceptance from Bruce (a shoddy attempt at forcing a non-existent nuclear batfamily), doesn’t mean that it’s a sound decision or that it does his character justice. I certainly don’t empathize with the idea that Jason needs the family’s approval or acceptance to be happy. (And anyway he has enough outlets for angst and pain aside from the batfam hello explore his other sources of trauma and do more deep dives into how he thinks when he’s alone). I don’t want them to magically make up and become one big happy family. This is not disney Lol. Besides, there are plenty of stories from dc that have that type of “wholesome” (hate that word utilization) characterization for Jason (Li’l Gotham, Tiny Titans, wfa, and even new stuff like the brave and the bold mini) and that is sufficient imo. Jason fans who are invested in the character deserve accurate, nuanced characterization and well-written stories, whether they be from his robin days (e.g., Batman: The Cult) or as red hood.
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13. Have you ever felt insecure because you enjoy whump? How did you overcome that insecurity?
I actually haven't dealt with any insecurity in.... actually, I'ma take that back and give some background first.
I got to whump from fanfiction from hurt/comfort. I noticed that a lot of the fics I read on Ao3 that had fantastic hurt/comfort were tagged as "(fandom character) whump", and from there I looked up what that was. And then I was hooked. I started with fandom stuff, with whump and hurt/comfort being major tags I searched through in my fandom of choice at the moment.
Then it came to Whumptober 2021. I was originally going to write in a fandom, but it just wasn't coming together. I had started looking at some whump tags and writing prompts on tumblr and seeing a lot of hero/villain stuff that I enjoyed, so I got the idea that I could just... make it original characters rather than a fandom. Nothing in the rules said it had to be fanfic.
I had a fantastic response to my writing and ended up reading a ton of original whump works that October, and I've been here ever since.
As to the insecurity? Yes... somewhat. I started with what I'd call chai spice vanilla latte style whump: not vanilla per se, but definitely not hard core. No gore, no nsfwhump, no bad endings. And having a lot of other people enjoying the fanfics I was reading with the "whump the cinnamon roll" trope really took away any strong feelings of insecurity there.
The insecurity came up when I started writing original works and projecting onto my characters. That gave me some pause. I actually ended up talking with my therapist about it, and she basically said, "Hey, wonderful coping mechanism! I'm happy for you!"
Because I could give these characters the kind of devoted, attentive caretakers that I wish I had. I gave these characters my problems, and people noticed that they were problems. The emotional hurt was validated in these stories. The things that are too often overlooked or glossed over IRL were examined in depth and given weight that I wish my problems were given.
And even though I prefer happy endings in my writing, that's not to say that sad/bad/unhappy endings aren't their own form of catharsis! You don't need to justify your enjoyment to anyone. So go forth and enjoy, whump enthusiasts!
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