#but this version of Gwen has different organs

[gaasublarb]

IMO Miles and Hobie actually look similar enough to justify Actually Miles Is Young Hobie fanstuff and yet I haven't seen any

Same eye color

The hairline and eyebrows are different but those are things that can be shaped

I thought Miles had just rounded lips but even that's not right. And it's not as if Hobie's don't even out sometimes

The face lines

Even their ears are similar enough I can't say anything against it and ears are like super individual

(Edit. Differences that age and stress maybe can't account for:

I think Miles has bigger ears? And maybe his lobes are more detached?)

((edit edit. I think the back of Hobie's jaw is shorter?? And the base of it longer????))

[kiss-me-muchoo]

𝐉𝐮𝐧𝐞 𝐆𝐥𝐨𝐨𝐦 || 𝐌𝐢𝐠𝐮𝐞𝐥 𝐎’𝐇𝐚𝐫𝐚 𝐱 𝐅𝐞𝐦!𝐫𝐞𝐚𝐝𝐞𝐫

part one: here || part two: to be close to you

summary_ just when you are about to confess your feelings for your best friend Miguel O’Hara, life reunites him with his almost fiancé, Dana.

warnings_ age gap (8/9 years), angst, jealousy, dramaaaaaa

authors note_ listen to June Gloom, The Archer and Ride (all in my Miguel playlist)

♪ ♫ My Miguel O’Hara playlist ✰ Index (+ fics here)

𖦹°⭒˚｡⋆ 𓆇🕸️𓆸⋆｡𖦹°⭒˚｡⋆ 𓆇🕸️𓆸⋆｡𖦹°⭒˚｡⋆ 𓆇🕸️𓆸

Usually, feelings develop with a determined amount of time. It wasn’t your intention to end up blossoming confusing emotions for your best friend.

It wasn’t the case when you met him. Miguel O’Hara appeared in your dimension, he recruited you with such stubbornness, letting you know he didn’t want to ask you to join his organization.

You met the best version of him. Reserved but calmer than before. According to your friends, Miguel wasn’t very approachable due to losing his kid when a dimension collapsed. You met him months after the Miles incident. And he became your best friend.

Someone taps your shoulder and when you turn around, you encounter Miles and Peter B. Parker. They found you sitting on one of the balconies of the HQ.

“Hey, ¿What are you two doing here so early? ¿And Mayday?” you ask smiling at them. Miles is devouring a burger from the cafeteria and Peter is drying his hair with a random towel, indicating he has taken a shower.

“Miguel needed us for a specific mission. And he is looking for you…” Peter says very concentrated on drying up his hair.

“Oh, then let’s go…” As you stand up, Miles finishes his empanada and the three of you start walking towards Miguel’s office.

“I left Mayday with her lovely mother. She’s getting her ears pierced today and honestly, I didn’t want to go with them. I can’t see my baby crying” Peter says pouting. You love him so much, every one of your friends was so special to you. But Peter was the first spider to help you get around. Miguel was a distant mentor, and you felt slightly lonely. Now it wasn’t the case anymore.

“She’s a spider, Peter. Mayday won’t even feel the needle. She’ll be alright…” you pat his shoulder.

“Yeah, just give her something to chew and she’s gone” Miles adds, making you giggle.

The three of you enter Miguel’s office. Inside there is already Jess, Ben, Gwen, Margo Pav, and Hobie. Miguel spots you and gives you a tiny smile, greeting you, to which you reply.

“Well, now that we’re all here, we can begin. There’s a lizard that broke out of our facilities last night…” Miguel starts saying, displaying a hologram of the lizard that shined in a bright neon orange color.

“Before it was sent to the go-home machine, it was gone. Somehow, the thing managed to land at earth-00001” You frown, Miguel notices and starts nodding. That was a dimension you’ve never heard of.

“Yes, y/n, we haven’t been to that dimension. And according to our records, it’s empty, there’s no humans nor creatures, just flora, and fawn” Immediately, everyone grows interested.

“Now, get ready, we’ll pay a visit” Jess finalizes. Handing special glasses and face masks; new innovations across the HQ in case the dimensions visited had toxic oxygen or so.

“I bet it’s going to be an apocalyptic dimension,” Margo says.

“No, it must be a desert land” Miles differs.

“Maybe it’s going to be out of the Paleozoic period” You can’t help but giggle at their theories. Meanwhile, Miguel sneaks behind you, your spider senses tingle but before you can even turn around, you already feel a couple of giant hands rubbing your back. You know it’s your best friend.

“Tell them to shut up, muñeca” he whispers in your ear. You laugh even harder. There’s this strong urge to turn around and kiss his cheek, but best friends don’t do that.

“Nah, I’m curious too” he grunts annoyed.

“We leave in five, get ready, kids,” Miguel says to the teenagers, then gives a little squeeze to your waist and quietly leaves to lead the mission with Jess.

Out of nowhere, Hobie joins and stands beside you, giving you a strong teasing face.

“What?” You ask, crossing your arms.

“Oh, nothin’, just seeing how you won’t admit your feelings, luv” Your face almost goes pale. Only Hobie, Peter, and Miles knew you had some feelings for Miguel.

“I don’t know when it’ll be a good moment to tell him” Hobie nods.

“It’ll never be a good moment…” you nod, knowing he’s right.

“That man feels somethin’ too for sure”

Before you can say something else, Jess calls everyone one last time. And you are the first person to go inside the portal to the unknown land.

…

“Well, I wasn’t expecting this” Miles said.

When all of you arrived, the neon lizard was dead.

“Let’s admit this is funny,” Hobie says, a naughty smirk on his face. You nod laughing, Peter joining.

Apparently, the lizard couldn’t resist the humidity of the planet, for humans with spider abilities, it was perfect.

“Stop laughing all of you,” Miguel says, kneeling, grabbing the corpse of the lizard.

But when he sees you, he smiles. You know it’s the smile he gives you to say you’ll be in trouble when it’s just you two alone.

Flashbacks of the night of his birthday when you made a little party for him. Everyone was in the living room dancing and having a great time. But you, Miguel, and the alcohol consumption made a hazy moment of intense make-out. You barely remember the way he kissed you and how his hands sneaked across your hips. But it was clear, it happened. And neither decided to address it.

“Lyla, one last scan of the place, please…” the AI appears.

“No more anomalies detected, the whole planet is empty and breathable for you guys”

“Awesome, let’s make a party here,” Gwen says.

“What?” Jess asks shocked. Your eyes analyze the land. It’s humid, yes. There are palms with coconuts that fall due to the weight. The water is very aquamarine and just by touching the sand, it’s warm.

“Yeah, let’s have a party here” You support her.

“I don’t think so, bonita,” Miguel tells you.

“Why not? We always spend New Year’s Eve with Miles, thanksgiving with me, and Valentine's Day with Peter” Peter nods, leaning on your shoulder.

“Yes, Why not, Miguel?” The tallest man rolls his eyes, Jess starts saying it’s not possible and the scene turns into chaos.

Everyone is arguing and you join for some minutes, but then you look at your best friend. He was quiet, away from the little crowd.

You take the moment to go with Miguel. He notices your presence but keeps looking lost.

“Why are you so stressed out?” You ask, poking his ribs. He looks down at you and chuckles.

“You remember I told you about Dana?” Of course, you remember the woman. She was the woman Miguel was planning to make his wife. But she was problematic and left.

“There’s an issue growing in Nueva York. My Kingpin is creating a guild to sell weapons and stuff. Dana knows some things and came to tell me. I… wasn’t expecting her to re-enter into my life again.”

“She doesn’t have to re-enter your life if you don’t want to” you say. His jaw is very sharp and you get lost in the noticeable line of his features.

“But, she wants to be my friend and… I guess we can try to be friends again” he says. You listened in detail to everything he said. An odd feeling that shouldn’t have developed so fast, grew inside of you.

“That’s great… if she came back claiming peace, then it’s fine, Miguel.” He nods.

“Thanks for listening”

“Always” you say, trying to ignore the crescent feeling of jealousy and the sting of insecurity.

“Does’t matter, we are still doing some drinks at my place tonight” you nod, a smile appearing in your face again. He smirks and grabs you, threatening to throw you at the water, you start screaming and everyone turns to see the scene.

“Oh my god, put me down right now, Miguel O’Hara!” you yell and he laughs.

He can’t stop smiling. He feels so happy whenever he’s with you. So he treasures you. And he doesn’t want to get involved with Dana again. But Nueva York needs him.

Meanwhile, everyone keep looking at Miguel carrying you and they feel both shocked and happy. Seeing Miguel act so careless and happy is still very new to them.

“Jess, tell us Miguel has hinted he loves y/n” Pavitr pleads.

“I don’t talk about that stuff with Miguel”

“They look adorable together” Margo says.

“Isn’t y/n younger than Miguel?”

“Gwen, shut up.” Hobie shushes her and everyone sees the scene one last time. You and Miguel laughing, in the shore of the beach.

…

Miguel had been busy. You understood him. Dealing with anomalies from external dimensions and from his own at the same time? It wasn’t easy.

What started as some envy and a little jealousy in your heart had turned into a big insecurity. The fear of wasting time that time had run out for you. Confessing your feelings for Miguel would be impossible to do now, it would only make him more confused. And he didn’t deserve it.

So you acted like everything was right. But hearing Miguel talk about how great was getting his friendship with that woman, made you so blue.

At least Nueva York was safe.

And you two had fun plans. He was going to your place to cook dinner together. He opted to make nopales and beans. And he knew because Miguel loved the smile you gave him when he said he would make time for you. Because he missed you.

He missed you so bad, but he knew he had to help his city. He wanted to get rid of Kingpin, to be done with Dana.

In the beginning, he thought he could be friends with his almost fiancé, but she was stubborn, close-minded, and slightly crazy.

Spending less time with you made him realize how badly he wanted to be around and involved in your life. So with a big sigh, Miguel called you via gizmo.

Your image appeared and soon, you answered.

“Hey. Are you on your way?” Miguel stood quiet and then sighed once again.

“I won’t be able to go to your place.”

“Oh-… What happened?” You asked softly, making him already worse.

“Kingpin is in the city. I’m infiltrating in the dinner he’s hosting…”

“I see… And Dana is going with you?” he didn’t know why he felt guilty, he just wanted to cancel everything and go to your place.

“Yeah, she has the passes to get inside.” I’m on the other side of the line, you are feeling so sad. But you understand that you have no right to feel sad.

“It’s okay.” you manage to say.

“Ay, muñeca. I’m truly sorry…” you nod, already fighting with the tears threatening to fall.

“It’s fine, Miguel. Be safe, please. I’m hanging up now…” he tries to say something to prevent the conversation from seizing, but the line dies, your image is gone from his gizmo.

Miguel feels so bad. And he shouldn’t, but he’s starting to see that there might be a reason.

It doesn’t matter, that’s the first night you cry for Miguel. You have ruined everything, if you hadn’t had feelings for him, it would have been easier. But there you are hugging at your pillow as you cry harder than ever, feeling an awful anxiety. He deserves to be happy, he’s your best friend.

But what about you?

…

twelve, thirteen, fifteen…

“Third set finished, you’re done…” Miles says, helping you to put the lock on the leg press machine. You had finished training.

“Have you talked to Miguel?” the boy asks. You roll your eyes, drinking your water.

“Nope.”

“I don’t want to pressure you, y/n. But, the sooner the better, it won’t end well if you lock your feelings” you sigh.

“I know. You’re so right…” Miles was really good at listening to his friends, it was always so easy to talk to him.

“I say… you go tonight to his place and just blurt out everything. You only live once…” you start laughing at his last words, which also makes him smile.

Should you go?

“What if I trigger him? I don’t want to ruin our friendship”

“You won’t. Miguel is a mature man. Do this for yourself, for your mental peace”

Fuck it, you’ll go to his place tonight.

“Hey guys!. Look, we have a new friend…” Miles and you turn to the entrance of the training facility and you see Gwen along with a young stranger.

“This is Harry Osborn from earth-877,” Gwen says. You eye the young man and he is tall. Maybe same height as Peter B. Parker, but nobody could beat Miguel. You mentally shake your head.

“How many variants from me are here?” His voice is deep, with light brown hair, a pretty nose, and green eyes. He was handsome.

“Like 13 including you, there aren’t many Osborn spiders, man,” Miles says, greeting him. You calmly follow him, getting closer to the man. They exchange some words and then it’s your time to greet him. He shakes your hand and reveals he was bitten some months ago, he’s one year younger than you, likes to read books, and claims there’s a gigantic library back in his dimension, where he’d gladly take you.

“Are you free today?” He asks.

“I-… actually, no. I’m visiting a friend after getting out of here. But any other day I’m free…” Harry nods.

“You’re going to Miguel’s?” Gwen asks, you ignore the way Harry seems to grow interested. He knows Miguel for sure, but you didn’t know if you wanted to explain why you were going to his place.

“Yes, and I’m running late. See you tomorrow, guys.” You wave at them.

“Good luck. It’s going to be fine” Miles whispers before you start walking away.

“HEY!, remember we are still planning the beach party” Gwen yells and you roll your eyes.

“Shh… Lyla or Jess could hear you” They giggle and you are finally out.

Now, you have to go to see Miguel. He wasn’t in his office, which was worse. But it was going to be fine.

…

In your spider suit and mask, you tap on Miguel’s balcony. He opens the doors and is clearly surprised to you hanging upside down.

“Hey, What are you doing here?” He asks as you land on your feet. Before you can rip away the mask from your face, you hear a female voice; Miguel, Is everything alright?

“She’s here?” You ask shocked. Miguel awkwardly scratches the back of his head. He’s in sweats and a tee, bare feet. Your heart beats faster than ever. You can see her silhouette sitting on his couch behind the curtains.

“We just solved Kingpin’s case. I couldn’t slip away from her desire to celebrate.” Something changes inside of you. You are hurt, jealous, and wounded by his actions. This was your green light to step away. The speech you repeated like a mantra for hours evaporates. You won’t confess your feelings to Miguel.

Beyond that, you felt like he completely forgot about you; his alleged best friend.

“She haven’t changed, I’m relieved it’s over. I’ve missed you so much” You barely listen to him, paying zero attention.

“I came for my cardigan, I left it here some weeks ago” It was the perfect justification for your visit. It fitted like a puzzle.

“Oh…I’ll go get it” he responds feeling disappointed.

“You can come inside…she won’t-“

“Here I’m okay. I’m kind of in a rush” you half lie.

“Okay…” Miguel goes back inside and passes by Dana, inventing a lie to her.

He grabs the cardigan from his closet and analyses it. It’s small, soft, and smells like you and your fig perfume. Miguel wishes it was you the woman sitting on his couch and not Dana.

He sighs, going back to you.

“Here…” he says handing the clothing item.

“Thanks”

“Are you going out?” You nod.

“Yes, Harry invited me to a library and-“

“Harry?” That’s when you realize what you said. Why the fuck did you lied like that? Yes, Harry invited you but the hangout wasn’t confirmed.

“The new intern…”Miguel nods, arms crossed, making him look incredibly bulkier. He remembers the guy, Jess recruited him.

“And it’s like… a date?”

“No- I-, I don’t know. We just met today, Miguel” Your increasing impatience is very noticeable. Miguel grows insecure at the same time.

“And yet, you don’t know if it’s a date or not.” He didn’t mean to sound harsh. You felt almost like being scolded.

“Look, I really have to go, thanks for the cardigan, and congratulations on the case,” you say, giving him one last look.

Once again, your eyes are watered and you just want to scream.

It wasn’t your intention to fall in love with Miguel. It really wasn’t.

…

Your gizmo beeps and seconds later, your request for a call is accepted.

“I got free sooner than expected,” you say.

“You didn’t cancel because of me, right?” You smile, wishing that was exactly what just happened instead of depressingly calling Harry Osborn in the middle of a crisis on that empty beach from the mission earlier.

“No, I didn’t. My friend had an emergency…” Of course, you won’t say it Miguel O’Hara, his boss who you visited. You were planning to reveal your feelings for him, who happened to be your best friend.

“That sucks. But guess we can go to the library together” you smile looking at the sea.

“Yeah, we can.”

“Is it okay if we meet there in an hour? I just finished college homework” You giggle, thanking it was summer break.

“That’s fine. See you there, Harry” When you hang up, you leave your gizmo on top of your cardigan in the sand.

Now you really craved that beach party. The place was an empty oasis. It was the perfect place to cry about your sentimental life. But for now, you just get into the silent water, waveless and warm. Your suit gets drenched, but it’s not a bother.

It’s perfect. Your mind is relaxed. The tears slowly disappear. You can heal your feelings. You can always drift away from Miguel. But it was hurting so much. And it was only worse that he made the choice so fast. In a matter of days, he had replaced you so easily. Maybe it wasn’t his intention. Maybe he was really trying to save Nueva York along with the woman he once loved.

But he definitely let you down. And for now… you don’t want to think about it.

_________

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dramaaaaaaaaaaaa

[somethinginthemyste]

So I don't know much about Alchemy for The Magnus Protocol and I'm not sure how this pertains to things but I'm trying to learn and I stumbled across some interesting connections to the Seven Hermetic Principles so like, if people know more and want to share their thoughts? As I'm understanding, the Hermetic Principles are connected to or simply are also known as Hermeticism to which Alchemy was commonly regarded as "The Hermetic Art". Maybe people have already thought of this and analyzed it but I haven't been able to get to that part of the fandom for some reason so maybe this will bring me there.

Ripped from Wikipedia, take that as you will:

1. The principle of mentalism

"The All is Mind; the Universe is Mental."

This kinda fits with what Colin says that "too much mercury and the world ends" where mercury represents the spirit or mind. The universe is mental so too much of the mind, the mental, would overwhelm it and end everything.

2. The principle of correspondence

"As above, so below; as below, so above.” [...] This principle embodies the truth that there is always a correspondence between the laws and phenomena of the various planes of being and life.

This really feels like how the O.I.A.R. operates right? There is always a correspondence between the laws and phenomena, Gwen is the correspondence between the order and law of the O.I.A.R. and the "external" phenomena.

3. The principle of vibration

"Nothing rests; everything moves; everything vibrates."

I'm still trying to find a good solid connection to this, but I also have a theory that the fact that Alice's brother Luke is in a band is going to come back in a big way. Like, a Grifter's Bones kind of way.

4. The principle of polarity

"Everything is dual; everything has poles; everything has its pair of opposites; like and unlike are the same; opposites are identical in nature, but different in degree; extremes meet; all truths are but half-truths; all paradoxes may be reconciled."

How many doppelganger stories have we had? How many stories about the missing part of you, the better version of you, the second half? Even with Celia, if everything has poles what if her poles exist across universes. That's why she's waking up random places, because the poles are attracting or repelling each other. If all paradoxes may be reconciled, what paradox is governing her life.

5. The principle of rhythm

"Everything flows, out and in; everything has its tides; all things rise and fall; the pendulum-swing manifests in everything; the measure of the swing to the right is the measure of the swing to the left; rhythm compensates."

Every story we hear about gambling has this principle in place. If someone is having too much luck with the dice, the dice compensate for it. If someone is having too much luck with betting on their own misfortune, the app compensates for it. It swings back and forth, good to bad to good to bad, perfectly balancing itself despite people's attempts to keep it swinging in their favor.

6. The principle of cause and effect

"Every cause has its effect; every effect has its cause; everything happens according to law; chance is but a name for law not recognized; there are many planes of causation, but nothing escapes the law."

I'm not completely sure how to connect this, but it does work sorta well with the gambling themes again? But also it fits with the things happening with Episode 7 and the random organization coming to kill the invasive species of volunteers. Not sure.

7. The principle of gender

"Gender is in everything; everything has its masculine and feminine principles; gender manifests on all planes."

Ok hear me out, this podcast is queer is fuck. Archives was queer but we have so much more representation of gender specific things like the nonbinary Ink5oul and our beloved trans girl Alice. The fact that there is legitimately a principle of gender in something connected to alchemy and we have even more gender representation is amazing. Still waiting for a genderfluid External, maybe one day. Or maybe we met them already and don't know.

Anyway that's what I've learned. If anyone has more information or ideas please share, I'm desperate for more information and ideas and theories.

[ghostflowerhotpotch]

How do you think the events at the end of the movie would’ve played out had Miles actually gotten sent to his home universe (Earth-1610) and Gwen had also arrived there as well when she got the watch from Hobie? How different would that part of the movie be excluding the stuff that happened at Earth-42.

Honestly? That's a good question.

I initially was thinking of someone a fic response like I did with the jealous prompt I got a few days ago, but I couldn't find a way that I could align all the canon elements in the fic in a way that would give a good conclusion. Perhaps I would use that idea for a proper fic.

Regardless, the thing that I keep thinking is not on Miles or Gwen, but Miguel and his allies.

At first, naively so, I thought Miguel and the others were looking for the Spot; perhaps I just wanted to think this a bit more positively; because the idea that this grown ass man roped two other people to capture a 15 year old that wants to save his dad is...a choice.

(I swear I don't hate Miguel, he just tests my patience a lot.)

Now, for obvious reasons these would be a problem for any Ghostflower reunion because Miguel has no chill; and would not wait nicely for this young couple to settle an argument.

Where is he, though.

Not seriously, what is this?

I was thinking he would be in Visions Academy, but this doesn't look like it at first glance. The dark atmosphere and the rain is not helping this either. If anybody has an idea, I am listening, but the only clue I have is that Miguel has a gigantic red sign that says "Welcome."

(Fun fact, the first time I saw this movie i almost expected the sign to say Hell. It wouldn't make sense on a world building sense but that was what going on my mind seeing this situation.)

Riley we know was waiting in front of Miles's house.

Now, this one is not really a problem because in the scenario that they are all in the same universe, this would mean Gwen already dispatched the Meathead (the director's words, not mine;) with Miles just entering his room after that.

Considering the situation, there is a chance Gwen would either see Miles going into his apartment, or perhaps Miles realizing that Gwen is on the alley. However for the nature of this ask, we would not explore those scenarios in this post.

Here is when it gets tricky.

Jessica was following Miles' dad, which makes sense considering they are looking for Miles and he may try to go directly to his dad.

In the scenario the timing tracks exactly the same, Gwen would probably look at the window and see Miles, so she may or not realize Jeff is coming.

What would I think if Gwen got to Miles directly? That things would probably escalate rather quickly.

I think if Gwen saw Miles lying on the floor (As he did when he got home in Earth 42;) she would quickly rush to him. To which I would expect Miles to either adopt a defensive posture, or tell her to stay away.

We need to remember that as far as Miles is aware, she is still working with the organization, last time they saw each other she was attempting to capture him (Well, honestly she didn't try very hard, but it would still be betrayal for him.)

Of course, I imagine Gwen would start with either a "I'm so sorry, Miles," "I am not here to fight, I am on your side," "I know a way we avoid the canon event." Perhaps she would say a combination of all of those things, the problem is that I don't think we would have a chance because problem number 3 would arrive.

(Imagine this is Rio from 1610.)

Now, I am going to be a bit generous here, and I will imagine that Rio didn't hear Miles coming in (unlike Rio from Earth 42,) perhaps the other version of her heard Miles come in because she was picking up laundry and was close to the door.

But I am sorry, every time I try to imagine an scenario where Gwen and Miles get to met here, I can't imagine any of them being quiet enough to not make Rio realize there are people in her house. Emotions are running way too high for either of them to think about that.

In the movie, Miles was on the floor and heard Rio appear, so he had the time to get his jacket on. In this scenario? Frankly I imagine Miles and Gwen would be close to screaming so neither of them would realize of her coming by.

Now imagine you are Rio for a moment.

You all of the sudden hear your son and or/the girl he was with earlier screaming about nonsense you don't know what the heck could be about, and when you open the door you see your son and that girl in Spider suits. No idea if there is any information or pictures of Gwen's as a Spiderwoman on Earth 1610, but that's kind of a moot point when your son not only is dressed up as the current spiderman, but also is sporting these.

(Sorry I don't have a full image, I try to get ANYTHING in the movie that would give me a good visual, and no shot; I couldn't get the complete image of where I got these, and finding these was a pain and a half.)

There is a 50/50 chance that Gwen/Miles may be able to sneak a "is a costume!" lie, but all things consider this would probably make Rio realize a lot of things are making sense all of the sudden. Rio would probably rush to Miles once she sees he is this hurt and freak out, no doubt.

And if things couldn't get worse, is around this time Jeff is coming upstairs, and who came with him?

YEP.

Now, we see that Jess spies on Gwen and Miles' parents thanks a device, not sure if this is the spider thing Gwen used earlier to track the Spot, or something else; regardless, she would definitely see them there, if not hear the ruckus.

Here is the thing, would I think Jess would do something?

...Sadly, yes.

Jess has kind of a soft spot for Gwen, and while I don't think she was the best Mentor (less about what she taught Gwen and more on not being there for her enough, but that's another discussion.) Jess gave the chance to Gwen to go to 1610 in the first place, she also let her try to fix it (thought the circumstances weren't too generous,) and while we don't have a clue what she would do next, I am inclined to believe that canonically, she is not going to snitch to Miguel that Gwen went by, perhaps only mention that Miles isn't in this dimension.

Because here is the thing, she has a soft spot for Gwen, but we can see that she definitely thinks Miles is a problem; and considering she is still helping Miguel, I doubt her mind had changed much in that regard.

So while she let Gwen "go" to get Miles (though there is the chance she is just letting her go so she can track where she is going,) I doubt she would see Miles there and not do something.

Now we have Rio screaming her lungs out about what the heck Miles has been doing, Miles probably trying to explain the situation to her, Gwen may or may not try to defend Miles (honestly the only reason I may think Gwen doesn't say anything is because this is really a conversation she shouldn't be involved.) And Jess then comes out from the window to collect Miles; she may also bring her Motorcycle with her which would cause even more chaos.

Hey remember how Jeff was just going upstairs? I like to think is something like this.

I know is an old meme but imagine Jeff, happily coming back home after an end of his shift; and he finds the house with his son on a Spiderman costume fighting a very pregnant woman (who may have the motorcycle INSIDE HIS HOUSE,) the girl he brought with him earlier shooting webs or something trying to stop the black lady, and his wife probably screaming on a corner.

While writing this, I originally was going to say earlier that having Miguel and his croonies here could make things a tad complicated; no wonder I deleted that earlier because this is just chaos.

Speaking of Miguel, no doubt Jess informed him that Miles was at his house, with no signs of Riley. Depending or where he is, he may be coming by soon enough.

Sorry if you or anyone else was expecting a fluffy or heartwarming scenario, but in this blog I try to adhere to canon facts as much as I can for these analysis, and I couldn't answer with canon possibilities without taking everything into account.

That being said, oh my g-d this was so much fun; I should try to do these more often.

I will see if I use the original fic idea I had in mind, while drafting this I also thought of the possibility of what would happen if Gwen's picture (That as discussed in this analysis, she may have with her) fell off while she was leaving Miles' apartment; if anyone is interested in that last idea please say so because I am on the fence about it.

That's it for today! Hope you folks had fun with this.

[triviallytrue]

Finally watched Across the Spiderverse yesterday. Thoughts:

These movies are like cocaine to me. I thought the MCU had permanently burned out the part of me that loves comics and adores comic book movies but no, turns out the execution was just bad.

Miguel is a good example of why the leader of your large organization needs to have good people skills. A lot of the conflict in this movie is a direct result of him being shit at his job.

Hobie steals the show in every scene he's in. He's over the top but not to the point of being annoying.

Was worried about how much teasing there was about Hobie-Gwen-Miles love triangle weirdness but we never get any direct indication that Hobie and Gwen are into each other and plenty that Gwen likes Miles. This feels... odd? Like maybe in a different version of the film this was more of a thing but it got cut.

Honestly the closest we get here to that trope directly is when Miles makes eyes at the cute avatar Spider-Woman and Gwen gets annoyed.

The Prowler has always felt underutilized to me and I love that he's been in both movies.

The most annoying part of this movie is the secret identity plot. I am so tired of secret identity plots, either tell your loved ones or stop being a superhero.

[broodingheroine]

tmagp thoughts (this will be pure nonsense I just need to write it down)

alice is so tim coded

obviously there's a connection anyone can make to the multiple statements abt urban exploration/spelunking in tma and the redcanary forum thread.... it invites the horrors (connection to danny?)

gwen is a ✨️bouchard✨️ (implication that while its a parallel universe the same ppl still exist? supports possibility of spelunking forum thread connecting to danny somehow (not actually super sold on that but seen a lot of ppl mention it so))

colin is definitely going to succumb to the horrors :/ (either first to die OR..... this universes version of an avatar?)

CHESTER AND NORRIS!!!

I'm of the firm opinion that they're jmart BUT! but but but! I do believe they're echoes of who they were, this just so happens to be Somewhere Else.

also! yes I understand that we most likely will Not get any tma characters in any meaningful way in tmagp, however I also believe that alex and jonny couldve very easily.... not...... voiced the text to speeches....... like yeah I dont think we're getting jmart as we knew them but..... come on

also also. the text to speeches got less robot sounding the longer they were reading and it really reminded me of how ppl reading statements would slowly get invested as they were reading and emote as if it were happening to them.

sam is on the archivist (or tmagp equivalent) pipeline already yikes

the turpentine line was raw as fuck. so was the canary one obviously. don't want to beat a dead horse by talking abt that bc so many others have already said it. but! the institute is deadly stay away!!

the sound engineering is god tier I love all the bleeps and bloops

colin knows smth is Watching. inadvertently feeding the eye by being paranoid? does the eye even exist the same way it did in tma?

theres definitely smth to be said abt whether or not robert smirke did his thing the way he did in tma and if anyone in the know uses the same classification or if the oiar is the only group categorizing. the fears always kind of blurred together at certain points so maybe without the human interpretation of it being 14 distinct entities it's more of an..... amalgam?

magnus institute is in a different place which is interesting. if it was built for the same reasons (outside of just research) is there another panopticon esque structure underneath? (brings us back to if smirke was doing his thing)

very curious to see if theres gonna be a leitner books equivalent.

I deeply deeply deeply desire a michaela salesa cameo at some point. he's one of my fav side characters.

sam and gwen using classic horror characters to help him try and memorize the classification categories was very cute

another thing I'm sure everyone has talked abt already but the whole world wide WEB thing and possible jmart in the computers and omg they're in the web and the oiar is part of the web and blah blah blah u get the image.

lena is intriguing to me. my guess is she's going to be a gertrude esque character who knows at least the basics of what's really happening and is trying to put a stop to it.

I havent seen anyone talk abt like...... what IS the magnus protocol. like tma was the archives in the magnus institute. the magnus archives. self explanatory from like ep 1. what the hell is the magnus protocol. is it smth fr3-d1 will run? or the text to speeches? is it tmagp's version of a ritual? using protocol to reference the updated tech from tma? is it smth the actual organization has to run in the event of Something Happening? WHAT THE PROTOCOL WHATS IT FORRRRR

I know nothing abt the ARG shit, just to note that

okay I think that's it for now..... feel free to discuss in the notes lol

[the-cat-and-the-birdie]

With the Random Hobie HCs Post, I'd like to add that he probably advocates heavily for education in general. He absolutely holds little meets for students where they can learn history that they'll never find in the textbooks.

He would absolutely make sure students get the uncensored version of history. He's absolutely a strong believer of "if you don't know history, you're bound to repeat it"

He also makes sure to include the good parts of history as though to say "this is what it could be".

Overall you got my brain smiling at the idea of Hobie being a reader tySM

TEACHER HOBIE I'M SO SOFT

Teacher!Hobie Headcanons

No wonder he's so good with MayDay.

Like imagine, Hobie is strolling along and hear Peter foreloin that MayDay is having trouble with her shapes and colors. And MJ really wants to start her ahead on early pre-k. Get the big Parker brain going and all. And Peter's so frustrated and is he doing this dad thing right and maybe- Then he walks past a room while complaining to Miguel, only to see Hobie and MayDay sitting there with cards, practicing shapes and colors. She's delighted, it's like a game to her, and she's bright eyed and reacting. Hobie doesn't stop to acknowledge Peter and Peter doesn't interrupt, but he's so incredibly happy. He later tries to thank Hobie, but Hobie is like 'My pleasure, mate. Great kid."

He probably gets it from back home in 138, where he's more often 'Hobie'. I could see him in his time off, hanging out with local organizers.

Spider-punk sneaks in and steals books that are set to be burned or destroyed, and Hobie passes the books on to them.

I HC he tells the best stories, so the kids will sit around and hear stories of revolution, and indigenous people fighting for their land. Or about hippies protecting old forests. Or Black Panthers on the steps of the court house (*cough* Di *cough*)

But of course their favorite stories are the ones about Spider-punk. Hobie has told him that Spider-punk is his best friend and 'not to tell anyone'. And they make sure to keep his secret locked tight.

He tells them heroic stories of Spider-punk kicking the cops asses, and the kids all cheer - because it makes them a little less afraid when they see the pigs in the streets.

Some stuff can be hard to explain to them, or tell them - because history isn't always pretty. But they know they can ask questions and Hobie will always be kind. He always has an answer, never an 'I don't know', instead a 'I hope to learn that one day too'.

They really admire him. Sometimes hanging around the organizations and communist groups he'll read by himself, and the kids will see and run and grab their own. Sitting around him for impromptu reading time.

Even the teenagers the pass off to him. Kids like Gwen.

13 - 16 year olds, runaways looking for a better life, kids who lost their parents and are angry, ready to fight for the cause. Or sometimes, kids of cops, disgusted enough to wake up and leave.

Sometimes they're scared or quiet. Hobie always helps them open up, always figures out what they're willing to fight for. And some of them are angry, loud, some don't trust them. But he can get on anyone's good side. He understands the anger, he knows how to direct it.

Soon they just follow him because he leads by example. Everyday he comes in and ten different people are ready to talk to him about the recent developments on the fight for freedom in South America, or a recent anarchist rally over in Ireland.

Hobie loves it, because he loves people and he loves being a teacher.

Even at Society

Pavi probably didn't know much when he joined. He knew Gwen and Hobie very well, and he's been Spider-man 6 months, so he had to have joined maybe 3-4 months into being Spider-man, or even earlier.

He was probably so green, now look at him. How many 'bits of advice-' do you think he gave Pav?

If you're a new recruit with mechanical webshooters, he'll casually ask to see them - compliment their worksmanship, give you some new ideas. Or try to help out in little ways. Sewing kit in his vest for patches and rips in Spidey-suits.

Imagine learning how to Spidey-quip from Hobie!!! And having him be your hype-man during jokes in battle!

Just like he throws Pav in ATSV, Hobie throwing a Spider-person so they can get the last attack in.

Or even just helping around campus. He'll walk people to the food court if they're lost and looking for it. Or stop and talk to people who look like they need help with something.

Pulling others aside and asking if they need someone to practice training with, telling them 'Don't worry, you'll get it'.

I BET HES A MENTOR like Jess or Peter! Having him as a mentor would be so cool. Him lazily checking in on your during missions from his houseboat cause - hey he gets to work from home? cool.

Always defends you to Miguel.

[miraculousmaker]

Magnus Protocol 2– SPOILERS, LIVE REACTION TYPING

I love the insinuation that they’re actually just going over prior loggings of these books. Like the group had originally assigned things to these horror books either seriously or for fun, and now they’re bored and quizzing out of boredom.

I love that Sam’s trying to decode it, just like Jon wanted to organize everything. Also ‘getting a feel’ for the incident reports (0 0)

Therapy?

Court ordered therapy. Now we’re hearing it for some reason.

Ooo this one hits many of the buttons. Somewhat forced tattooing, primal fear (duh), body convulsing, ignoring someone’s pain through a ‘normal’ way. Seeing something within, being used, being thrown out like there wasn’t anything different.

THE PAINTING BECOMING THE ARTIST holy shit.

(Names a whole lot of adjustments) “nothing major”

New version of Boneturner’s Tale???

Very interesting that she’s like… not affected by it at the moment because she didn’t have inspiration?

i feel like the ‘outsourcing’ thing might be another ritual attempt?

He’s being taken in already… oooo it’s starting.

There was a whole thing about Jon being doomed from the first statement, and now it seems like Sam has also been taken in from his first incident report.

HOLD ON GWEN BOUCHARD????????

[theshadowrealmitself]

I am,, so upset, there’s one aspect I’m obsessed with from Rick and Morty that the fandom doesn’t even explore and I don’t know where else to get that specific thing

The thing I’m obsessed with is this idea that in this citadel area, there’s always a Rick and Morty, maybe some other family members, but never ever a Diane, like she’s cursed to die young in most of them or something, she just never makes it to the citadel

Until one day, they find a Rickless Diane and bring her to the citadel (there could be a lot of different reasons why this one is here, but the reason I’ve been defaulting to is that she’s from outside the curve, is the smartest of her universe, and broke into the curve to see if there was anything fun in it, she doesn’t tell anyone she has her own portal tech or where she came from, they’re just like “oh my god this poor Diane with no Rick we have to interfere)

And I just wanna know how that would go, would the Ricks like her? would they hate seeing her because of the memories it brings up about their Dianes? she’d definitely have to worry about some Ricks trying to use her to replace their dead wives, and then what of the Mortys? I feel like organic Mortys might not take to her as easily, but cloned Mortys and the like who don’t actually have a grandma Diane would be excited to meet her

I just keep rotating it around in my mind, currently thinking about her working with a Rick who’s developed a crush on her, but she can’t be certain that he’s not just mentally using her as a replacement for a Diane he used to be with so she ignores it

The closest thing I can think of would be Gwen in atsv, but it doesn’t really fit the bill, because the Citadel has a specific type of alternate Ricks and Mortys, whereas Gwen runs into waaaay more varieties of Spiderpeople and they’re not even all versions of Peter Parker so she can easily surround herself with people who have never dated a version of her, and she doesn’t have to see a version of a child/grandchild that happened in so many universes except hers

[thatgayguywholikesyourcontent]

Retcon-Fix AU

I'm never going to get around to write it, so I'd share the notes I have here and open the floor to questions.

This started off as an idea for a one shot. Taking the opening scene of Omniverse and tweaking it to fit an au. Zombozo is on the run after breaking into a...lab(?) with Ben and Gwen hot on his heels. There's nothing different about Ben on a surface level. On the other hand, Gwen is wearing an outfit similar to her future counterpart from the original series. After dealing with Zombozo there's this awkward goodbye between the two. Gwen's heading off world for the next leg of her anodite training and it will be years until they see each other again. She hates leaving him, Ben is clearly upset, but the only thing keeping her on Earth is guilt, bad memories, and bad blood between them. They hug it out, Ben sees her off, and later runs into Rook.

From there the idea blossomed into a multi chapter series cutting back and forth between the present and the past, showing whats different in this timeline. But that changed into just starting at the beginning in the original series to show the differences in the time line. 'Cause the premise of this au became: cherry pick and take all those little retcons, hammer them out to work from the beginning, and go from there.

The Big three are thus: Figure out whats ever happening in Max's backstory and streamline it. The Plumbers in the OS, to me, felt like it started on Earth with humanity encountering aliens before the organization reached out into space. That was later changed to be that the Plumbers were a galactic police force who, kind of, absorbed a human group of the same name. We later learn that's because of George Washington's own encounter with aliens and him forming an organization to combat such a threat, like the American equivalent of the Forever Knights.

That's weird, a little too clunky. So the streamlined version for this AU was to make it more like X-Com. That the increase of alien activity and sighting in the 50's led to the formation of an secret, international paramilitary group that would rapidly deploy to such threats and deal with them. Either through combat or simple negotiation. Eventually the accumulated alien tech would advance their gear and what not. Max running into Verona is what introduced him to the organization. This is like in the 60s.

Its around the late 70's/early 80s that the Plumbers as a galactic police force starts to form. A bunch of alien cultures form a coalition/federation to deal with the expanding Incursion threat and the Plumbers are a byproduct of that. Rules and laws are hammered out and the Plumbers finally notice criminals would head to the outer rim to escape the authorities and decide to investigate. They come across Earth, come into contact with X-Com (just gonna call it that), when an invasive species starts spreading across the galaxy. X-Com has a shit ton of members and the Plumbers cut them a deal. Help them deal with the Lenopan threat and the galactic community would consider Earth off limits.

The world governments that fund X-Com are on the fence until they see the tech level of the rest of the galaxy. Giving Earth another century to catch up is to good of an opportunity to pass. X-Com gets involved in the Lenopan Wars, turn the tide, and peace is brokered. Some soldiers decide to stay out in space and become Plumbers while those who stay behind are forced into retirement as X-Com is quickly mothballed. Probably a larger scheme by the Forever Knights to remove their competition. Like Hydra infiltrating Shield to get it taken down.

Jesus Christ. Sorry about the world building tangent.

The second change being Kevin. Its later revealed in the series that he is a genetic experiment by the Rooters to make hybrid soldiers. Honestly, don't like it. In this AU human-alien hybrids can exist. Its the Forever Knights that the runaway and take him in. He doesn't run into Ben and Gwen by chance. Instead he's purposely following them, keeping tabs on them for the Forever Knights from the shadows until they give him the order to engage. Him absorbing some energy from the Omnitrix is a plot point. He goes rogue with Ben and Gwen reeling him back, but ultimately failing. Kevin winds up stuck in the Null Void until we see him again in Alien Force. Gives him time to return to normal, meet Argit, and break away from the Forever Knights.

The thirds change is Gwen. This is honestly the crux of the AU when I was first jotting the notes down. Its retconned in Alien Force that her capacity for magic stems from her Anodite heritage. In this fic, her spark catches early and she has access to mana at the start of the original series.

She has a hard time controlling her powers. Most Anodite hybrids do. Every emotional outburst is dangerous, and her parents haven't exactly handled the whole thing well. Not physically abusive, but their own fear of the daughter and distancing her from anything or anyone she might hurt has effected the development of her social skills. Like, her brother gets to join all these clubs, hang out with friends, and attend school where she is home schooled and not allowed out. Just to note, her and Ken have a close relationship. He would've gone on the Summer road trip, but his parents signed him up for camp. The only reason why their letting Gwen go with Max in the first place is for him to train her. They handled everything so far by ignoring it, which doesn't help Gwen. She's ten by the time they wise up and ask Max for help, Previously, when she got her powers and everything came to light, they kicked him out of their lives.

What about Ben? The omnitrix and plot surrounding it is largely the same. Vilgax wants to conquer the galaxy and tracks down a weapon to do it. Gives chase, but the watch is dropped off on Earth and he's injured. He's purposefully blocking any outgoing signal from Earth about his presence or the increase alien activity, but its only a matter of time before the plumbers catch wind that something is up and get involved. Earth is on the opposite side of hostile territory so he's working under a time limit.

Ben himself is largely the same but gay. That's more of a self indulgent thing than anything else, tbh. He confessed his feelings to a boy on valentines, the bullies got word of it, and haven't left him alone since. He's starting off the series with a chip on his shoulder. His parents want him to get away from it all, and hopefully a summer road trip away will help.

Ben has mixed feelings about Gwen. The last time he saw her they snuck away with Ken to play out in the woods. Ben convinced her to use her powers and got knocked back hard because of it. He's a little scarred of her, a little jealous, but Ken (who he considers as an older brother) told him to keep an eye out on Gwen.

Ben gets a crush on Kevin when they first meet, but Kevin is straight as hell. He's also an agent working for the Forever Knights and uses Ben's crush on him to get close to the omnitrix. They actually do form a loose friendship, but at that point Vilgax is attacking in person, Gwen can't handle him alone, and the watch has timed out. So he touches the omnitrix and mutates to deal with Vilgax and gets stuck in the null void for his troubles.

"But what happens to Kevin?" you ask. If the original one-shot with Ben and Gwen is canon, where is he by the time Omniverse begins? Six feet under. He pulled the same trick in Ultimate Alien to deal with Aggregor and got the same result from the prime timeline: he becomes hostile to Ben and Gwen, hunting them down to feed the energy addiction.

"I can't believe Ben kills him." That's the neat part, he doesn't. Its Gwen that puts him down. This isn't the second time Kevin has absorbed energy. He's done it before, slipping further and further from his ideals and becoming like the one person he hates: Michael Morningstar. Gwen tries to get his help to siphon energy off of Kevin, but Kevin kills him when he ultimately turns on Gwen. It just makes the hunger worse.

Gwen is gunning for him. And yes, they were/are a couple by this point in the series. Its Ben whose trying to stop her, trying to re-unlock Feedback in a desperate attempt to save Kevin, but he fails and Gwen kills him to save Ben's life.

Thank you for coming to my Tedx talk.

[dw-flagler]

okay, so:

back in the 70s, Spider-Man's Clone Saga was a thing. A lot happened, but the long and short of it was this: Gwen Stacy was killed by the green goblin in Amazing Spider-Man 121. A while later, she seemingly comes back to life. This is revealed to be a plot of the supervillain The Jackal, who created clones of peter and gwen because he could just do that. Peter fights the clone, one of them dies, and they assume that the surviving peter is the original. There's another clone saga, which was widely panned, but the important thing for my post here is Ultimate Spider-Man (2000-2009).

We have to establish a couple things first, though. So in USM issue 31, Gwen Stacy's dad, John Stacy, is killed by a spider-man impersonator (for honestly some really stupid reasons but whatever), and Gwen is formally adopted by May, moving in with her and Peter in issue 32.

Now, shortly after this, the venom saga happens. It differs from most versions in that the symbiotes, in the ultimate universe, are not aliens, but instead human-made living organisms. They were made by Edward Brock Sr. and Richard Parker, and peter's parents are killed because Richard refuses to make the suits weapons. Eddie Brock Jr. (Peter's childhood friend, current college student, and pedophile) recreates one of the symbiotes, and eventually it bonds with Eddie to become Venom in issue 37.

Anyway, some other stuff happens, and then in Issue 57, Gwen finds out that Peter is Spider-Man. She confronts him in Issue 59, and eventually decides she's cool with him being spider-man. She calls him her "super hero little brother" in a conversation with Mary Jane.

Later, in issue 60, Curt Conners, the guy whose lab Eddie was working in, takes a sample of Peter's blood, and, working with a guy named Ben Reilly, creates another symbiote, Carnage.

Carnage, a symbiote cloned from peter, breaks out of the lab, killing a bunch of people, including Gwen, in issue 62. Peter, furious at this, tracks down the Carnage symbiote (which never actually has a host in this universe) and throws it in a fire, killing it. Later, in Issue 64, that other guy, Ben Reilly, steals a sample of the Carnage symbiote from Connors' lab, for unknown purposes.

Cut to issue 97, the start of Ultimate's Clone Saga. So Peter encounters this supervillain called the scorpion, who turns out to be a clone of him. He also encounters Jessica Drew(!), who is also a clone of him. Then, after jessica whooped his ass, he sees Gwen, who has miraculously come back to life!

So, the particular details of the ultimate clone saga aren't important for this post, but I'll describe them in brief anyway. The clones, including Scorpion, Jessica, and the others who i'm not mentioning, were made by Otto Octavius and Ben Reilly together, working to recreate Spider-Man for the CIA. Ben, as he already had a failed attempt to clone spider-man just sitting in his pocket or something, decided to do some fucky stuff to the carnage sample he had on him. He tries to recreate the full Carnage, but it doesn't work quite right, and it ends up kind of becoming Gwen Stacy. It's still carnage, but it's also her.

Anyway, Peter and Jessica beat the hell out of Doc Ock, who was responsible for this, all the clones other than Jessica and Gwen die, Peter gets back together with Mary Jane and breaks up with Kitty Pryde (who he was dating at the time), everything goes back to normal. More or less. Eventually, carnage Gwen gets attacked by Eddie "Pedophile" Brock and he steals her symbiote (despite the fact that she is a symbiote) and becomes Venom again, and she is completely normal now.

Anyway, by Vol. 2 Issue 1 (about 30 issues later), we're in a new status-quo. The important part is this: Peter has broken up with Mary Jane (again) off screen, and is now dating Gwen Stacy for some reason.

So, as I have exhaustively laid out, peter is, in fact, dating his own clone.

What's even weirder about this is that a few issues later, in Vol. 2 Issue 9, Johnny Storm (who was there during the whole clone saga but I guess he wasn't paying attention) goes and kisses Jessica Drew, who is also a clone of peter, and peter finds this extremely gross.

I don't really have a moral or anything to this. I just sort of recognized that gwen is technically a clone of peter and felt like i had to explain this to someone.

[alfavictor]

Lonely Visits

Little bit of Gwen Centric Angst

Summary: Gwen has just had the craziest week of her life. She visits an old friend to talk about it.

Length: 576 Words

The cold air bit into her exposed nose, but Gwen was too focused to pay it much mind. Her eyes were glued on the block of stone, etched with the name of her best friend. The world was quiet, the fresh white snow dampening the sound, leaving her to her thoughts. She placed the Lilies that she had gripped tightly next to the tombstone, before taking a step back. 

“Hi, Peter,” she tiredly started. She always ended up here, twice a year, like clockwork. Once to celebrate the day Peter came into the world, a life defined by kindness and generosity. And one to atone for the blood on her hands. She had missed the second date this year, stuck in a different dimension that had the same lonely tombstone. 

“It’s been a tough week,” she chuckled, hollowly, “a tough year, actually.” Silence was her only response. “You wouldn’t believe what happened to me. I got thrown into another dimension, Peter. Another dimension. Just like you dreamed of discovering.” Gwen closed her eyes, remembering Peter’s excited rambles about dark matter and opening portals into another universe. 

“It was still New York, you know? Same places, but with weird names. And they had fixed colors,” she tried to explain, to help Peter visualize it. “And in that world, you…” grief rose in her throat, “you were Spider-Man.” Tears rose to her eyes, and she didn’t bother wiping it away. “And you were so good at it. You were special, just like you wanted to be. The people loved you.” 

His other grave had been surrounded by love, piles of flowers nearly blocking the tombstone along with tributes. Peter Parker in Miles’s universe would be a name that would be immortalized forever as a hero. But her Peter’s grave was empty, with a wilting bouquet of flowers. His name just a footnote in Spider-Woman’s Wikipedia entry.   

“And I met other spider-people too, like me.” A smile graced her face at the memory. “You wouldn’t believe what’s possible in the multiverse. There was a cartoon pig and a girl with a mech-suit.” Her smile fell. “And there was also, you. Just older and more run down. And fat.” She laughed at the idea of her Peter, barely thicker than a twig, getting a beer belly. 

“It should have been you,” Gwen whispered. “You’re so good at this, in every universe.” She motioned to herself. “You could have been special and lived.” She choked back a sob. “I’m sorry for taking that from you.” Her apology received no response. She hadn’t expected one, anyway. 

After a minute, Gwen continued, “There was another Spider-Man too, one that wasn’t a version of you. His name is Miles.” Despite where she was, she couldn’t help feel lighter saying the name out loud. “He’s just like you, kind and gentle and respectful. He, uh lost control of his powers, which is why I have this new haircut.” Gwen self-consciously brushed her hair back. “Still asked to be my friend afterward,” she gave a watery giggle at the thought of Miles’s antics. Her smile turned wistful. “I think you two would have been great friends.” 

Her words trailed off, the slightest breeze her only companion. She fidgeted a bit, loneliness creeping in. But, she couldn’t complain, she was the reason why Peter was buried six feet under the ground right now. “Bye, Peter,” she softly whispered, and turned away, beginning the trudging walk back home.  

[prvttystvr]

SPIDERSONA PT.2

drawing + headcanons + random facts

I can’t even express how much I’m in LOVE with this. Thank you so much @hecateisalesbian for this amazing drawing, this is exactly how I imagined them!

I want to take the opportunity to write some headcanons/random facts about Rebecca and Michele (especially with the atsv characters)

I think I’ll also write a platonic fanfiction about Miguel and Rebecca (or y/n)

˚ ༘✶ Rebecca saying “Hawaiian pizza?! Pineapple doesn't go on pizza!" has the same energy as Pavitr saying “chai tea?! Chai means tea!”

˚ ༘✶ Michele loves to play the piano. In fact, he often plays with Hobie and Gwen. They even formed a band in the Spiderverse, of course called “Spider-band”

˚ ༘✶ Rebecca likes to annoy Miguel. Together with Layla she enjoys organizing little pranks in her office. One time they hacked her costume hologram and Miguel chased Rebecca around the base

˚ ༘✶ As already mentioned, Michele loves history and is fascinated by spider-people and villains from different universes in ancient times. If a mission involves rescuing one of those bad guys, he volunteers without a second thought

˚ ༘✶ Michele has a more elegant fighting style, as if he is dancing and as if he is aware of his every single move. Rebecca, on the other hand, is more impulsive, and often doesn't even know what she's doing

˚ ༘✶ Rebecca and Peter B. Parker are best friends. As soon as they met it was "friendship at first sight". Rebecca loves playing with Mayday and is comfortable talking to Peter

˚ ༘✶ Michele and Pavitr are "passionate" for each other. They love exchanging information and curiosities about their cultures. In addition, Pavitr taught him some Indian phrases, which Michele quickly learned. On the other hand, Pavitr still can't say “ciao, come stai?” (hello, how are you?)

˚ ༘✶ Rebecca has a platonic relationship with Miguel. Her cheerfulness and energy reminds him of his daughter. Though he doesn't want to admit it, he's comfortable talking to Rebecca. If someone makes a nasty comment about Rebecca being a lesbian, Miguel steps in immediately (much like Ellie and Joel from The Last of Us)

˚ ༘✶ Rebecca and Michele felt betrayed by each other when she sided with Miles and he sided with Miguel. Even Miguel felt a little betrayed to see Rebecca help Miles

˚ ༘✶ Rebecca loves Gwen's (Spider-Woman) company, mostly because she reminds her of the Gwen of her universe (maybe Rebecca has a crush on both her universe Gwen and her spider version)

˚ ༘✶ Michele likes to visit the lego universe and chat with Lego Spider-Man because, since he was a child, he has always been passionate about lego

˚ ༘✶ Both Serra brothers hang out as a group with Miles, Gwen, Hobie and Pavitr. Individually, however, Rebecca often hangs out with Gwen (concerts), Pavitr (fairground), Miguel (his office, he barely leaves) and Peter B. (hopping around with Mayday). Michele often goes out with Pavitr (museums), Spider-Man Noir (to fight Nazis and fascists in his universe) and Peni Parker (walking down some Japanese street)

˚ ༘✶ Rebecca and Michele share some canonical events, like the death of their father (happened) and their aunt Maria (happened). Some of Rebecca's canonical events are the death of Tommaso Morelli, a teacher turned Prowler with whom she had a father/daughter relationship (happened) and Gwen's death (has to happen). For Michele, some of his canonical events are the death of Peter after becoming Venom (it has to happen) and the death of Marta Primavera, daughter of the curator of the ancient history museum with whom he had formed a strong friendship (happened, and the curator thought Moon-Spider killed her)

˚ ༘✶ There is a canonical event that Miguel never told Rebecca and Michele for fear of how they might react. In each universe, there is one and only Spider-Man, bitten by only one spider. Eventually, there will only have to be one Spider-Man for each universe (as happened for Peter Parker and Miles Morales). This means that, sooner or later, one of the brothers will die

[ghostflowerhotpotch]

I watched ATSV again in theaters and noticed some interesting things:

Gwen's dad at the beginning wears a Vision Academy sweater. Not only that, he's in the gymnastics group. This means that Vision not only exists on Earth-65, George has entered it. Maybe it explains how Gwen knew how to blend in so well. And that she chose to take ballet lessons because of her father.

When Miguel's universe was falling apart, not only he but Peter B. and other spiders were there. It gives extra weight to the whole Society thing. It's not just a sad story a random guy told, it was a catastrophe witnessed by several of them. I don't blame them for believing so much.

Peter and Gwen have known each other since they were 4, assuming she's 16 and George's speech after his death says he's known Peter for 12 years.

A spider person having their Sense Triggered when someone they love is not themselves in danger is not new. Miles felt his father falling at the beginning of the film. Pav felt Gayatri on the bus. But what is abysmal is that Gwen's felt between dimensions. In all other cases, they were from people present in the same space and dimension. So that says a lot only about the love she feels for Miles (and also about her spider sense.)

Oh these are interesting!

I actually notice that shirt on my last viewing! I cannot believe it took me this long to realize.

Funnily enough, my first thought when I saw this is that Gwen was Vision's and this was a shirt in support of her. But considering how faded this looks, your explanation makes more sense since I really doubt Visions Academy has lower classes than middle school.

Though not gonna lie, I found funny the idea that the visions in Gwen's world may be just another run-of-the-mill school, just to appear in Miles's world and be like "why did he get the nice version?"

May keep that hc regardless.

Oh I knew Peter was there from the first viewing, what I didn't realize was about the different spiders!

Let's see who he can spot.

Julia Carpenter is here! I am not really familiar with her character (I don't read comics, for now at least,) but hey, nice to see they are bringing some classics.

I'm going to assume this is Peter B, but I don't think anyone can blame me for mixing this one up if it isn't the case.

Cowboy Spidey is here!

This one we are going to wait for the HD version of this movie because I had a hard time finding a frame where I could kind of see them let alone be clear who they are.

I still need to finish that analysis, but honestly the organization as a whole works in some ways that upon reflection, not only I am not surprised they believe it, I'm more than anything horrified how no one realized how nuts the place was getting.

Good eye! I haven't noticed this one myself, and again, I had seen this movie several times. In my defense, sometimes the audio is hard to catch and I had issues catching stuff at it is. I really need to get a good version of this movie with subtitles.

But this is cool! It really goes to show how important was Peter for Gwen, they really had known each other since forever and I can't imagine not just how much it hurt Gwen losing Peter, but her needing to get used to reality of not having around after doing so for so much of her life.

Goddammit when I thought Peter and Gwen's tragedy couldn't get worse-

This one y'all know how I feel, and if you don't, here.

I still hope we get a more in depth explanation, though I wouldn't be surprised if we don't. Regardless, is undeniable how much Miles matters to Gwen, and viceversa.

Thanks for telling me this!

[iamheretemporarly]

How did Gwen convince Miguel to help her and train her? And what advice could he have given to her? Let's not forget that they are two different types of spiders, it must have been almost funny that he had to understand the rest of the spiders (with sticking to the wall, spider sense, etc.)

It’s funny actually, she just followed him nonstop and annoyed him until he was like “you can tag along, but I’m not responsible for any injuries, that includes death”

most his advices were like, “never drink something you didn’t prepare yourself”, “when everything goes to shit, bite them”, “try to have a more intimidating opening other than ‘hi’”

when they were escaping alchemax it was like

“NOW SWING”

“I CANT SWING!”

“WDYM YOU CANT WWING, JUST SHOOT YOUR WEBS”

“I CANT”

“WH-“ And that’s the moment he realises that she infact does not have spinnerets in her arms, he has to carry her while she was carrying the monitor with one arm while swinging with the other to actually get out of there, which was hell, until miles catches up and helps out

when they meet up with the others they all get that tingle and go “you’re just like me”

except Miguel who just stands there and goes, “they literally just swung down from the shocking ceiling, did it really have to take a tingle for you to realise?”

the others who are more like Gwen teach her about the whole spider sense and sticking to walls and all while comic miguel just takes in the lab that apparently his other version owned (show off), and is that a white suit in there? Wow his other self really ditched the day of the dead costume, mama would be disappointed (he’s not jealous, who said that)

also spiderswap gwen’s webs are red, she took movie Miguel’s web shooters that Gabriel made for her, bonus, when comic Miguel found out that this guy uses web shooter he was like “hah looser” (he’s just trynna feel better about himself, like sure this Miguel seemed to have it all but he didn’t get the privilege of having organic webs, that’s a plus on his side)

[insanity-is-brewing]

SPIDER SONAAAAAA

My Spidersona has been released! Their name is Adrian Nakamura, their pronouns are They/Them and they are 16 years old! They come from a dimension where Japan is the dominant society kind of like Pavitr's world and it's completely original and I'm the first person to think of this kind of concept. Totally. im being sarcastic

That's all you really need to know if you're just passing through, but if you want to know more, lots of details and pictures under the cut!

Cw for mentions of death, major injuries, & mild deception. If there's anything in here I missed, please let me know! I'm not the best at doing this.

Okay, so now that the normal people are gone, here is a detailed description of the dimension, character, and events!

Dimension 46007:

A world where Japan is the dominant culture, basically swapping out America with Japan.

The year is 2155.

Everything has this sort of aesthetic to it

Pastel during the day, neon at night

Everything has a sort of vaporwave blend to it, but I couldn't find any good pictures

It's kind of like Gwen's dimension in a way

Lots of Kawaii culture

Homophobia wasn't even a thing and Adrian had to learn about it

Adrian Nakazawa

They/them/his, 16 years old

Organic Web Shooters

Has been Spider-Tect for a little under a year

Autistic

Canon Event: Just 13 hours after the bite, their girlfriend, Gwen Stacy (Stacy is a placeholder name), died from an attack on the city from their dimension's Doc Oc (I'll come up with another name for him)

Alias is Spider-Tect.

Spider Bite have him a huge boost in agility

like matrix levels

but only a little in stamina and barely anything in strength

so he built a tech umbrella to compensate

Spider-Tect's Suit

Blend of traditional Japanese clothing and modern streetwear

Wears everything on top of a skintight suit that has nanotech capabilities

Mask can read brainwaves, Adrian takes full advantage of this fact by making it the thing that controls everything about his suit

Adrian's umbrella is the main aspect of his suit, and helps Adrian round out his weaknesses, particularly in stamina.

The umbrella can act like a helicopter, hover, carry Adrian and one other person, shoot webs from the tip and the ends, and can temporarily fuse with the nanotech suit so Adrian doesn't have to grip it so tight to hang on when it's hovering.

Surprise! Adrian has a younger brother, and his name is Kai Nakazawa.

Kai Nakazawa

He/Him, 14

Synthetic Web shooters

Chem genius, doesn't know much about tech

The first person to find out about the spider bite, found out when Adrian was another three inches taller overnight.

The first thing he did was get DNA samples and try to figure out what was different, then made a synthesized version of the spider bite that can be ingested orally.

Basically, he made spider man gummy bears

The synthesized version gave Kai a more well rounded boost, but a little extra in stamina, so Kai usually keeps villains

Miguel hates Kai because there aren't supposed to be two Spider people in the same dimension, but he let it slide until Kai stopped a canon event to save one of his best friends. He ended up paying the price for it by getting covered in lacerations that were particularly bad on his left side.

Had to fake his death when Miguel accused Adrian of doing it.

Dramatic, but effective.

Suit has a similar setup to Adrian's.

Sword can be used as a sword or as an extendable whip

That's... pretty much it. Here are some bonus doodles, more coming your way!

Thanks!